doing substantially better with young man that joe biden was doing when he dropped out. democrats do have a messaging problem. only 33% of young men now identify as democrats, down from over 40% in 2020. we only have three weeks left, less than three weeks left in this election. republicans are outspending democrats four to one when it comes to targeting young men with online ads, tend to one in key states like pennsylvania. it is great that kim harris is talking about going on joe rogan, great that tim walz is going on sports shows, they are targeting online ads to fantasy football viewers. we need to persuade young men and turned them out. this is a persuadable group, but we can only persuade them if we get in front of them. >> terrance? >> look, young men are emerging as a new swing voter. previous elections have focused on suburban women as swing voters, soccer moms as swing voters. what we are seeing is young men

are really emerging as the swing voter that would determine the outcome of this election. we knew they would be turning in later, that they would be a little more disengaged from the cycle. as they are tuning in, you see the vice president making this concerted effort to go after thereabouts i do want to correct the record specifically on one black man. that has been a lot of topic of conversation recently. black men are both unrepresented and misrepresented by traditional research. while there has been some softening of black men over time, since the 2012 cycle, we have been democrats with a little erosion amongst that key voting block of black men. the vice president has been taking concerted efforts, meeting them where they are, communicating on the issues that matter to them, reducing costs, creating wealth. that is why she has put forth the opportunity agenda. what we have seen in focus groups and polls is, as they are

introduced to what she has been doing the past four years, and what she will do over the next four years, that they are in fact persuadable, and moving in that direction. >> so, how about this? >> just say it, spit it out. >> how about this, young men perceive democrats as the party of women. young men perceive their gop as the party of men, and as a consequence of that, despite what you just laid out in terms of their more progressive views on policy, how does that fit in with the perception narrative that we see playing out? there is a reason why you are seeing the more aggressive push by republicans on sports platforms, gambling platforms and especially, and this sort of heavy-handed botulism that, to be quite honest, denigrates

women to some extent, and lays out narratives about women that is not necessarily appealing. and yet, within that framing, you have women sort of reinforcing that. i have seen enough coming out of the gop with these scantily clad women having these conversations with young men, this sexualization of the conversation. i will just put that right here in the middle and the gentleman can do what they want with it. i think that is, you know, in your study and research, are you finding some of that? and how does that play into the mix? >> i want to be on the record that i am again against the notion that the democratic party is the party of women. i understand that may be a sentiment some have, but the men are still very much in charge. >> right, exactly. i think we need a long-term strategy around young man that is not going to be solved in

three weeks. partly, it is about talking about the democratic agenda in our policy wins as being specifically good for man, we need to be comfortable doing that. the affordable care act led to a huge reduction in a number of uninsured men. you never hear democrats talking about it in that way. young men are the most supportive of unions and labor rights. the democratic party agenda is a good one for men, but we actually need to sell that. we need to show that we are fighting for their votes. the other thing i would say on the zero-sum game point, this is exactly what the republicans want. they want to divide groups, they want to pit one group against each other. the democratic party needs to be the party for everyone. we need to acknowledge in many ways, women have not achieved true equality in this country, whether one pay gap or abortion rights. we also need to acknowledge that many young men are struggling in the economy and

in their education. we can do both things at once. we need to make that argument. we need to be fighting for their votes. for those 20-year-olds where this is their first election, they are not going away. this is a long-term trend. we need to show that we are fighting for their votes, because they will continually be incredibly important voting block in this country. >> i am struggling. i am struggling. i don't know. since when does-- how do we get to a place where talking about other people means that someone else is going by the wayside? >> but that is trumpism. it is a scarcity mindset. >> and part of this, i think, terrance, that aaron is getting the right when he talks about, it is one thing to talk about what the harris campaign needs to do, and the dnc in the next two weeks, and another thing to talk about long-term strategy. some of that is sociological culture and some of it associates them.

since 1980, young men have registered and voted at lower rates than young women in every presidential election. the turnout gap has only increased in recent election cycles. in the 2020 election, turnout for young women was 11 percentage points higher than young men. pulling from gallup, last week speaks to the problem. supporters of former president donald trump between the ages of 18 to 39 , who are mostly men, just aren't enthusiastic about voting. only 34% that, they are extremely motivated to vote, compared to 53% of young voters of vice president kamala harris. in the next two and half weeks, there is the reality, yes, donald trump may have the support of some of these young men in polling to me but these are often low propensity voters . what does that mean for the harris campaign or the trump campaign? >> i think all of that is exactly right. this group of voters are absolutely aligned with democrats on the issues. there is a nature of hyper masculinity that republicans

are injecting into their politics that has become characteristic of republican campaigning that democrats, a part of the long-term strategy here is redefining masculinity that is not all toxic. that there is a role of masculinity, not just in the democratic party, but in society, that man is evolving, not reducing. that is a part of the messaging we have to continue to explain far beyond this election. i think the point that you make is important. a part of what is driving this increased support amongst young, black man, the generation gap, not just the gender gap, it is a frustration, not just with democrats, but with the system and a part of the attraction to donald trump is, he is offering to blow up the system. we have to reinforce their fate, their confidence in the franchise, their actual governing since the system.

that is a long-term conversation, but for the next two weeks, we have to convince them, not just that donald trump is going to be worse for them on the issues that matter, but that kamala harris has a plan and the opportunity agenda will actually improve their lives over the next four years. >> i have to go. before we go, i need you to list the three states where these young men represent the larger proportion? >> georgia, wisconsin. >> that is why we are having this conversation. >> my head hurt! i appreciate the nuance. >> i appreciate the nuance too. when you blow up your house, where have you got to live? then, what? that is the rest of this trumpism does not answer. and i think that is an opening to your point. >> aaron smith turned suburban so you can come back in september. next, the evidence newly unsealed in trump's january 6 case next.

terrance, aaron, thank you.

the judge overseeing donald trump's federal elections case just released thousands of pages of evidence from jack smith. the heavily redacted pages offer a glimpse of what the jury could see if this case ever goes to trial. it also shows how smith is working around the supreme court's immunity decision to approve trump's criminality from his actions on and around january 6th. joining us now, someone we really appreciate being here, msnbc legal analyst mary mccord, former principal deputy assistant attorney general for the department of national security. she is also the cohost of the podcast "prosecuting donald trump." good to see you, mary. >> a lot of this was redacted. >> most of it?

>> let me give you this, this is really what i have got. it is involving a valid on january 6th. trump watched us what becky's switch-- walk back his speech on that day. he learned about the riot at 1:20 p.m., three hours before he tells his supporters to home. what does evidence like that do for jack smith? >> this is a part of jack smith's overall charges that donald trump is responsible for, right, for things that occurred january 6th. i think a lot of us know from the house select committee's work, donald trump was sitting in his dining room watching all of this play out on tv. various people asked him to do something and he did not do it. this bit of select testimony doesn't show the timing exactly and that he helped set donald trump up in the room, put the

tv on, and that is where he stayed. >> we kind of joke about the redactions and the document, so you just kind of go, okay, what was the point? so what was the point? >> jack smith had said when he filed this motion for an immunity determination with appendixes, that the appendix would be more heavily redacted of the sensitive material and the motion. the motion, the redacted names, the source grand jury interview . here, he had interviewed indicated they would be redacting more content, and that has to be because of the sensitivity of it. i will say though, what you do see in the unredacted parts, you see the things he needs to show to the court to make the immunity determinations. the immunity of speeches, the private payment on the rally at the mall at the-- january 6th. the things that showed donald

trump's state of mind as a candidate, when he is being told, there was no fraud, when he is meeting with people, even the night after the election, deciding what to say. if you do go through what is unredacted, you see it building toward those things that the supreme court said judge chuck and need to assess in deciding what evidence is admissible and what evidence is not admissible to me because it represents official acts. >> the redacted stuff is real juicy, symone. >> yes, i'm just trying to figure out why-- mary uses specific words on purpose. it is sensitive, but likely not classified. we are not talking about the documents case. so what is sensitive, and why can't we know? >> sensitive are the things designated that way in the protected order, way back last year. that was originally designated that way for purposes of discovery. jack smith and special counsel

wanted to make sure when they provided discovery, that is all kinds of materials relative to the defense to donald trump, that he would not go out and make all kinds of things public that would have witness names, other information, things that might subject them to threats and harassment, and intimidation. now, it is jack smith's choice in many ways. he is under that protective order me but he can come in like he did with respect to the motion and say to judge chutkan, here are things we now feel comfortable going ahead , being out there putting in the public. no, it is donald trump saying wait a minute, you said this stuff was sensitive and you cannot release it without threats and intimidation, so forth. it is not donald trump that ever had that same interest. he has an interest now because he has apolitical interest because he has got a election in three weeks. >> donald trump is doing the media rounds, calling what happened january 6th, a day of love. he is comparing january 6th

rioters to japanese americans were interned. he had this to say about judge chutkan and about smith . take a listen. >> this guy is a sick puppy. they are going to release something else. always before the election. they want to do it before the election. it is election interference. now, it is a terrible thing what is happening. the judges, this judge is the most evil person. >> i've never seen anything like it. >> they all said, well, make sure you don't get chutkan . and who did i get? i got chutkan . >> no, no, a lot to unpack. i think it is interesting though that chutkan said to not release this would in and of itself be election interference . >> this is one of those situations, and i remember facing this as a prosecutor when we had sensitive investigations going on in some

proximity to the election. you are kind of if you do, if you don't. if you release too close, you get criticized, if you don't and it comes out after, you get criticized. people should have known that. she has said all alone alone, i will not let this trial schedule be dictated by your political interests of those are irrelevant as a legal matter. in response to donald trump, seeking a longer stay at the release of this. she said, either way, this could be criticized, the same criticism you are leveling donald trump of election interference. >> i know we have got to. stormy daniels. i am sorry. he is doing it again, real quick, on stormy daniels and the incentives he is giving her now ? >> certainly, it was financial. it is always financial. we will demand less attorneys fees from you because he owed her in a loss and defamation

suit, if you just keep your mouth shut before the election, she apparently said, no. >> mary mccormick, we appreciate you. best bob in the game. you are giving alicia a run for her money. >> i am working on my. to listen to mary's award- winning podcast, "prosecuting donald trump" by getting the qr code on your phone. coming up, ali velshi is in arizona where he sat down with a group of vultures to discuss which candidates is getting there vote for trump, and we will explain why. velshi is live right here on msnbc. msnbc. my to-do list grew. "paint the bathroom, give baxter a bath, get life insurance," hm. i have a few minutes. i can do that now. oh, that fast? remember that colonial penn ad? i called and i got information. they sent the simple form i need to apply. all i do is fill it out and send it back.

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you remember 2016. you remember the way he talked. this is not that trump even. this is something much more deranged, something much more desperate, maybe to stay out of prison. with j.d. vance there, there are no guardrails around him. >> governor walz is like, look, come on now! he is just out here making a case. he looks over it, but he will continue to make this case for as long as he can. come on, it is not the same guy. >> it is not the same guy. that has been the hard part in this campaign, whether it is kamala or joe biden, the democrats have had to deal with this wall of people kind of looking at donald trump the way they saw him four years ago. and we know that, at least in

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that does it for "the weekend" this saturday morning. we will see you back here next weekend, where elizabeth warren and michael cohen will be joining us. be sure to follow us on social media at "the weekend." treatment also, tune in tomorrow when vice president kamala harris sits down for what will be an exclusive interview with the great reverend al sharpton at 5:00 p.m. eastern sunday, right here on msnbc. it is still michael's birthday. "velshi" continues our coverage, live from arizona. ali, turned to the side so they can see the patches. what is going on? >> this is my working man's hat . i am in arizona, it is raining. as we speak, and about half an hour, the sun will be beating down on my bald head, this is what you got to do in arizona. >> the navajo police patch or the jacket, we watched you the entire commercial break.