dennis murphy: the children, what they saw, what they heard, what they remembered, ciara's friends say what's more important now is what they know about the woman lost on that day. if her kids start to forget her, the memory dims, what would you sit down and tell them about their mother? mainly how much she loved them. she did. those kids were everything to her. you know, she-- they were her world. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm andrea canning. thank you for watching. good morning, and welcome to this sunday edition of

morning joe: weekend. it was another fast-moving week of news. here are some of the conversations you might have missed. >> how many illegal immigrants would you estimate, your administration has release into the country over the last 3 1/2 years. >> i'm glad you raised the issue of immigration. i agree with you, it is a topic of discussion that people want to rightly have. you know what i'm going to talk about. >> just a number? do you think it's 1 million, 3 million? >> brett, let's just get to the point. the point is we have a broken immigration system that needs to be repaired. >> your homeland secretary -- >> i'm not finished. >> rough estimate of 6 million people have been released into the country. let me just finish. >> i was beginning to answer. >> do you regret the decision to terminate remain in mexico at the beginning of your

administration. >> at the beginning of our administration, practically within hours of taking the oath, the first bill we offered congress, before we worked on infrastructure, before the inflation reduction act, before the chips and science act, before the bipartisan safer communities act, the first bill practically within hours of taking the oath was a bill to fix our immigration system. >> yesma'am, the u.s. citizenship of 2021. >> may i finish responding please? you have to let me finish. i'm in the middle of responding. >> why is half of the country beating you? if he's as bad as you you say, half of the country is

supporting this person who could be the 47th president of the united states. why is this happening? >> it's the election for president of the united states. it's not supposed to be easy. >> i know. >> it is not supposed to be a cake walk. >> are they misguided, the 50%? stupid? >> i would never say that about the american people, and in fact, if you listen to donald trump or listen to his rallies, he tends to belittle and diminish the american people. he talks about an enemy within. an enemy within, talking about the american people, suggesting he would turn the american military on the american people. >> we asked that question to the former president today, harris faulkner had a town hall, and this is how he responded. >> i heard about that. they were saying i was threatening. i'm not threatening anybody. they do the threatening. they do phony investigations.

i have been investigated more than al capone. it's true. it's called weaponnization of government. >> i'm sorry. that clip is not what he has been saying about the enemy within that he has repeated talking about the american people, that's not what you just showed. >> he was asked -- >> that is not what you just showed. in all fairness and respect to you, you didn't show that. here is the bottom line, he repeated it many times. you and i both know that. you and i both know he has talked about turning the american military on the american people, talking about going after people engaged in peaceful protests. he has talked about locking people up buzz they disagree with him. this is a democracy, and in a democracy, the president of the united states, in the united states of america, should be willing to be able to handle

criticism without saying he would lock people up for doing it, and this is what is at stake, which is why you have someone like the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff saying what mark millie has said about donald trump being a threat to the united states of america. >> so here are the former president's full comments on the enemy from within narrative, which vice president harris just referenced. >> you know, you know what they are? a party of soundbites. somebody asked me, can they be brought together? i never thought really i was thinking they could because they are very different. it is the enemy from within. they are very dangerous. they are communists and fascists, and i use a guy like

adam schiff. they made up the russian hoax. two years to make up the problem. et cetera. they are dangerous for our country. we have china and russia and all of these countries. if you have a smart president, they can all be handled. the more difficult, the pelosis, and the people are so sick and evil. if they would spend their time trying to make america great again, it would be so easy to make this country great. i heard about that. they were saying i was threatening. i'm not threatening anybody. they are going the threatening. they do phony investigations, and i have been investigated more than al capone. it's true. it's call weaponnization of government. it's a terrible thing. >> all right. >> they are the threat to democracy. >> comparing nancy pelosi to dictators. you have to -- wow, take in what the vice president had to deal with there. claire, your thoughts? it seems like whenever she brought up facts and backed up

the facts leading to a frightening point, that donald trump is leaning very, very heavily towards fascism, talking about using the military against his own people and naming names, any time she would do that brett would talk over her to prevent the viewers from hearing them. that was my take. how do you think the vice president did on fox news yesterday? >> yeah, i think that brett was rude. it surprised me how rude he was. i have been interviewed by brett. i understand that he comes at his interviews from a different perspective than somebody who works at other news outlets than what that has appointed itself as the defender-in-chief of donald trump. i thought she did fine.

was it a home run? obviously not. the contrast, mika, is clear. the person seen as strong typically wins the presidency. the person who is seen as stable and calm, and most importantly change, change is very, very important. she did some real work yesterday on change. for the first time saying i'm going to follow a different path than joe biden. that's very important for her to underline. i think she showed strength. the contrast is now set up. you have strength verses weakness. he's afraid to go anywhere where the person or the people he is surrounded by are not his supporters. you have got calm and stable verses chaotic. you have change verses the same old tired circus act.

and frankly you have normal verses sharks and ava marie and dancing for 45 minutes. saying hey, it's not what party you belong to, it's about the country. >> the russian hoax has become gospel, and if you read the mueller report, it was not a hoax, many, many incidents of obstruction and no question that russia tried to interfere in the 2016 election. the rhetoric of nancy pelosi is the rhetoric that had a man arrive to her doorstep, break in, and beat her husband within an inch of his life. he has recovered, thank goodness, but your impression of the interview on fox news contrasted to what we see every

day with donald trump? >> i thought he handled it masterfully. he was rude. i don't mind journalists being rude when interviewees are not answering the question, but she was answering the question. she turned it back to make her point. she is showing her skill as an advocate there. i think the contrast between here not being coddled and responding with truth is a remarkable contrast with donald trump who needs to be coddled. if he's interrupted or contradicted, he loses it. he's getting angry and saying he's being persecuted and unfair. the other thing about it, she didn't attack the people who support donald trump, and she

is trying to earn their vote. i had the honor of going to a rally in pennsylvania where she is seeking republican votes from republicans of good faith, who want to have actual civil discussions, factual discussions about the issues that face the country, and they don't want to hear about eating dogs and eating cats and how january 6th was a love fest and the lies that donald trump continually repeats and he's allowed to repeat on fox news because they sanitize the world for donald trump and sane wash donald trump and do their best to make him look normal. that's why we live in abnormal times. it's a malignant formality that fox news, led by donald trump, have created in this country. that's why half of the week support donald trump. we will be right back with

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tom nichols you have a wonderful piece on george washington running on the atlantic.com. george washington gave america many gifts at its inception, but perhaps his biggest gift, he had the ability to self- confidence to go home after serving two terms, to go home and be a private citizen. we have listened to a man who sat in the oval office, not only four or five years ago, talking donald trump. as you listen to donald trump and watch the election play out in a saga that is neck and neck as close as it can be, how did we get here? how did we get to the point

where basically as george pointed out, it's like a virus, infecting the public population? >> you know, it's such a sad question. i think the answer is that over the last 34 years, there's millions of people who stopped taking elections seriously. they want to renew the donald trump show. they know he is unstable. they know he is weird. they know that he is losing it. that is part of his appeal to them. he is interesting. it's fun. i think that the other thing we have to really understand is that we talk about polarization, but this is more than polarization. this is 60 or 70 million people saying, the worse that donald trump gets, the better.

when he is elected, that will discomfort and aggravate and frighten the other 100 million people in america. every time i look at the election, i think of the trump voter who criticized trump saying he's not hurting the people who he is supposed to be hurting. once you think that way about elections, you're not thinking like an american. i thought the vice president handled that question about why is this election so tight, i thought she handled it deftly. trump basically says anybody not on my side is the enemy s stupid, is a communist or fascist, or many other words he actually does not understand. we got here in part because we have had it pretty good as a country for a long time. the end of the cold war, affluence, and people were able to treat elections as big tv

events, and donald trump, particularly because being on tv for so long, he was made for these times and a certain kind of slice of the electorate who just want the elections to be not boring and full of drama and weirdness. i think that unfortunately is how we got here. the presidency, the boring work of governing does not interest a lot of people in the country, unfortunately. >> no, and the boring work of what it means protecting the right to be a free american citizen is not something that people should have to worry about, and they are being asked to. that's a tough slog. joining us now an adviser for the harris campaign. adrian, it's good to have you on. i'm curious how the campaign is feeling about the interview on fox news and if she made the

case against the father of ivf. >> the father of ivf, mika, you cannot make it up. also put three conservative supreme court justices on the court and overturned roe. he made it clear he wanted to do that in 2020. here's the bottom line, mika, the vice president was calm, tough, delivered her message to fox viewers about how she will lower costs for the american families and put the needs of the american people first in every made she makes if she's lucky enough to be elected president. often times fox viewers don't get to hear about her plans for the american people, about her plans for expanding reproductive freedoms, about her plans for lowers costs. she also made it very clear that donald trump said time and time again that he is going to take political retribution on enemies if he gets back in office. mika, he talked about the enemy

within recently and using military force against the american people if they don't agree with what he believes, so she took the message to fox viewers. they don't often hear that. even dana said she was effective in delivering her message. she understands the stakes of the elections and the contrast she will make with governor walz in the final stretch of the campaign, and she wants to make sure americans from all across the country understand what is at stake and what she will do for the american people. again, she was very strong and very effective in her delivery with bret baier, and i think the fox viewers got to see a different side of the vice president that they don't always see watching fox news. >> adrian, good morning, beyond the fox news interview, there's been an effort from the campaign to talk to diseffected republicans, appearing with liz

cheney and yesterday with dozens of republicans saying we are a safe space in the middle. talk to us about the strategy, and also is there a concern by doing that, reaching out to the republicans, is there any fear of dampening the enthusiasm with the base? the progressives that the campaign also needs to turn out? >> now absolutely, we are proud to have the support of liz cheney and dozens of former trump administration officials, people who stood with her yesterday at the event where they came out and really showed support for the vice president. it also reinforces the fact she will be a president for all americans, even those who don't vote for her. you talked about in a previous segment going to rural parts of the country and so is governor walz, making it clear the contrast with her and donald trump. the fact that she will expand reproductive freedoms and lower costs for families and put the american people first in contrast for trump who will be

that much more dangerous, trump 2.0. project 2025 would be an incredibly dangerous agenda if implemented. she wants to make sure every american understands that. she knows there's a lot of republicans that are undecided, and she wants to make it clear she will fight for them as much as fighting for a progressive family or progressive person who lives in a different part of the country who may not share the same values as the republicans who support her, but she will be their president. >> senior spokesperson and adviser for the harris campaign adrian elrod. thank you. >> fox viewers got a chance to see a different side of the vice president as much as possible, given the constraints of the interview, which she can handle, and i think that's fine. bret baier, a lot of people thought he was rude.

she has been through worse, been face-to-face with criminals and understands the type as she has said many times along the way about her opponent. i think fox viewers also heard a different side of donald trump that they don't necessarily get all day every day. he is a day career. he is unhinged and said things that are not okay if you live in a democracy. is it possible to breakthrough on a network like that, though? >> it's an interesting question. the first thing i thought about baier, he already has the job. who is he auditioning for? >> yeah. >> again, like watch i can do this with an interview with kamala harris. i think that one of the things the harris campaign is doing that is effective is using her

appearances to drag trump into the spotlight. now whether that can work on a network like fox is hard to say, but it is an effective counter to something they often hear when i talk to trump supporters and say what did you think when he said this or this kind of crazy rally moment, and inevitably i will get an answer, i didn't see that, or i don't think that's what he said or i didn't hear that. >> that's the playbook. >> i didn't see the tweets >> right. >> and so for her to go there, in front of the fox audience and say that's not what he said. here's what he said. you're being selective and quoting him. when she goes to the rally and the rally is covered by the media, they have to cover up the things she is putting up about donald trump. you know for years i said as far as i'm concerned, put trump rallies on every network every time he has one and run them

live for hours because then people have to confront this. i think one of the worst things about the election are the people who say i think donald trump is going to be a normal president. we survived four years, and i have never seen him say these crazy things. now you have, and you can't say you weren't told and didn't see it. coming up, joe's interview with doug emhoff. we are back in just a moment. at g on a pro while loading up our suv, one extra push and... crack! so, we scheduled at safelite.com. we were able to track our technician and knew exactly when he'd arrive. we can keep working! ♪ synth music ♪ >> woman: safelite came to us. >> tech: hi, i'm kendrick. >> woman: with a replacement we could trust. that's service the way we want it. >> vo: schedule free mobile service now at safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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