more now for my interview with second gentleman doug emhoff. shortly before his took the stage last week at a campaign rally in athens, georgia. among the topics discussed, how the polls have become much tighter since harris' honeymoon period in august. why is it that this race is still tied? you talk to people, on the trump campaign off the record, and the harris's campaign of the record and they say this race is tied. why? >> it is closed. >> those things would have been disqualifying for any democrat or any republican in the past. why are they now? >> they should be. i don't think people are

hearing what he is saying because again there is this fog, this trump fog all the gaslighting and all the misinformation and disinformation and people not willing to see what is right in front of their face. >> you have -- >> we are out here each and every day and in each of the seven swing states, each and every day and this is why we are rally republicans, moderates, independence and this is why the tent on the democratic side goes massively wide in a place for everyone here and you don't have to agree with kamala harris on every single policy position, although many people actually agree on most, if they pay attention to what she's saying. but we must agree on who we are as a country. our democracy, our rule of law. our free and fair election system. if you lose you have to exit the stage. the perpetuation of the big lie, which is like a cancer, like a poison cursing through the veins of our democracy. >> you talk about republicans liz cheney, detaining, ken

edelman, over 100 people from republican administrations, and even on hurricane relief, you have republican governor of georgia, republican governor of tennessee, republican governor of south carolina, republican senator from north carolina. there are republicans that are stepping out and saying, donald trump is not telling you the truth. >> yeah. people need to listen to that and also they should pay attention to the republicans that have come out and said they are not supporting donald trump. and supporting vice president pence and general kelly, the people who were in the room who know he is unfit for any job. let alone president. this is not all about how horrible trump is an about how great she is and putting herself out and if people want to know more, she has been doing the media, it is not just the debate and not just a rallies, she did a great piece with howard stern, which was just her.

you know, she is doing podcast and she did the view and 60 minutes, unlike trump he would not do that. she just shot a town hall. >> donald trump is not doing that because he is mentally unfit? >> i don't know what he thinks in his head but it is obvious by looking at him and listening to him, you can see the degradation in front of your eyes. i have said many times he is degrading, a degrading version of an already horrible person and getting worse and worse and worse. people need to pay attention to that and also for some folks who thought, we may not like his style but we like his policies, remember, the folks that were around him when he was president, there were some so-called ones who kept the lights on -- until the inauguration of biden and harris those folks will not be there this time.

>> you are jewish and donald trump says that if you are jewish and you don't support him, you are not a good jew. and throws out some of the biggest anti-semitic tropes that historically have been thrown about loyalty and so many other things. what you think about the anti- semitism that we have seen, not only over the past year but have seen rising over the past several years. >> myself, we have leading and pushing back on anti-semitism. go back to charlottesville. in the trump era and remember charlottesville -- and that is when donald trump said there are fine people on both sides. the tree of life murder massacre in pittsburgh, that was during the trump era. there was already a rise in anti-semitism when biden and

harris took office. a second gentleman with a very big push from kamala harris, because when they got elected and i had to step away from my career, i was wondering, what will i do with this role and it was kamala harris and you are the first jew ever and a rise in anti-semitism and you need to get out and use your voice. and of course, since october 7th there has been a crisis in anti-semitism. but as what trump said at an event purporting to fight and went -- anti-semitism and to say what he said, the tropes, the file that came out of his mouth, as you say the height of chutzpah. yes, there is reason to be alarmed but i always say i'm so proud to be jewish. i am not going to live in fear and this is my message to all jewish people. >> i have known you and i have known your wife, the vice president, before she was vice president. and i have always known you all to be down to earth and that you have gotten shot out of the cannon and then suddenly she is walking into arenas with 15,000

people screaming like she is a rock star. getting endorsements from taylor swift. and i talked to you all once or twice since and we said you were freakishly, weirdly, bizarrely, normal. we have been around a lot of people that have run for president that you all are in the position you are in now and eight tighten up and get nervous and i don't recognize them until after the election is over. i am wondering, what is grounding you all? >> i think that is who we are. i mean, i came to politics very late and i had a whole career as a hollywood lawyer where no one was to hire a shaky lawyer. i have learned how to, you know, be confident under extreme stress and stay calm under extreme stress as a living. i am wired that way.

she is certainly wired that way and that is one of the reasons that got us together but we also understand the circumstances and we understand that she had to step up and i had to step up, our family had to step up because what is at stake. we are taking this beyond seriously. but we are who we are. and we will still be ourselves but we are out there and we are just continuing to talk about what more can we do to win this election every day. while still being ourselves and that is who we are. coming up our next guest says the upcoming election is causing him to question the fundamental decency of america. he join us ahead, to explain. 'morning joe: weekend' , is back in a moment. ♪♪ how they ruled the school. ♪♪

and what you got from your parents — ♪♪ the places on mom's side, and dad's side. ♪♪ detailed dna results. inspiring family history memberships. now's the time to save at ancestry. have you ever considered getting a walk-in tub? well, look no further! inspiring family history memberships. safe step's best offer, just got better! now, when you purchase your brand new safe step walk-in tub, you'll receive a free shower package. yes, a free shower package! and if you call today, you'll also receive 15% off your entire order. now you can enjoy the best of both worlds! the therapeutic benefits of a warm, soothing bath that can help increase mobility, relieve pain, boost energy, and even improve sleep! or, if you prefer, you can take a refreshing shower. all-in-one product! call now to receive a free shower package plus 15% off your brand new safe step walk-in tub.

so, what are you thinking? i'm thinking... (speaking to self) about our honeymoon. what about africa? safari? hot air balloon ride? swim with elephants? wait, can we afford a safari? great question. like everything, it takes a little planning. or, put the money towards a down-payment... ...on a ranch ...in montana ...with horses let's take a look at those scenarios. j.p. morgan wealth management has advisors in chase branches and tools, like wealth plan to keep you on track. when you're planning for it all... the answer is j.p. morgan wealth management. a bend with a bump in your erection might be painful, embarassing, difficult to talk about, and could be peyronie's disease or pd, a real medical condition that urologists can diagnose and have been treating for more than 8 years with xiaflex®, the only fda-approved nonsurgical treatment

for appropriate men with pd. along with daily gentle penile stretching and straightening exercises, xiaflex has been proven to help gradually reduce the bend. don't receive if the treatment area involves your urethra; or if you're allergic to any of the ingredients. may cause serious side effects, including: penile fracture or other serious injury during an erection and severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. seek help if you have any of these symptoms. do not have any sexual activity during and for at least 4 weeks after each treatment cycle. sudden back pain reactions and fainting can happen after treatment. tell your doctor if you have a bleeding condition or take blood thinners as risk of bleeding or bruising at the treatment site is increased. join the tens of thousands of men who've been prescribed xiaflex. make an appointment with a xiaflex-trained urologist. visit bentcarrot.com to find one today.

do you fear he would try to utilize the national guard, the

military against u.s. citizens? >> yes, i do. of course. i lived through that and i saw over the summer of 2020 were president trump and those around him wanted to use the national guard in the greatest capacities in cities such as chicago and portland and seattle. >> with us now, a contributing writer for the atlantic. senior fellow for the trinity form and the latest pieces title, this election is different. and it is. i was just thinking about our relationship through the years and it has been wonderful but, we have had some tense moments during the bush administration, when you worked inside the bush administration. and we seem to be talking to each other a lot. and you say, why is he doing this or that? and very critical of george w. bush throughout that administration. and we went back and forth. but when election time came, i

voted for george w. bush. in fact, i voted for republicans my entire life. and it is one of the thing, i'm trying to tell my republican friends right now, if you have ever not voted for a republican for president in your life, this is the election to do it. this is different. just like at the 2020 was different and just like about 2016 was different. talk about why this election is different, even -- i don't know if you're a former republican. i am a former republican. this election is different for republicans and former republicans who are still very conservative, like you and me. >> thanks, joe pickett to get his different because donald trump is different. i mean, he is a threat to the country in a way no other figure or resident or presidential candidate has been. this is not a dispute simply about public policy and public policy matters.

we spend our life in it. there were some things that matter more and that is the constitution and the rule of law and having a person in the presidency who has some degree of moral discernment and has some measure of character that you can depend on. that range of people in the presidency, some better and some worse. that this is a man, unlike anything we have seen. you have quoted general milley and said he is a fascist to the core which i think is true. but not simply he is a fascist to the core, he is an undisguised fascist to the core. he advertises that every single day in bright neon lights. and republicans who love their country need to defend the country and defending their country at this point means voting for kamala harris even if you have been a lifelong republican. >> pete, it was said in the twilight of democracy there is this lie about the right wing populace that fuel these anti-

immigrant, anti-intellectual, anti-democracy movements. they are like these dumb a, pour, locals that stumble to the voting booth and don't know what you're doing. she says, no pool. they are given instructions by elites to vote for the anti-democratic populace. i want to ask you, i could name names and it would make this far more focused on the conversation but i don't want to embarrass anybody. i will just ask you, how much it has hurt you personally to have people that you looked up to your adult life, people that you worship with, people who you read and learn from, people who you held up as examples, who

are now craving lee following the crowd out of fear of standing up and doing something courageous like say, liz cheney. >> it has been painful. personally painful. there were people that you have looked up to for as long as i have been alive. role models. look to heroes to try to pattern my life after. and probably overly idealistic in that respect but i think we need that in life and when you are with people in a movement filled with people that you thought were one way and they act another way and they act in a way that you think by your own lights is morally off-track and wrong, that is hard. i have tried really hard as you have to enter into their world,

joe, and understand why they think the way they do and why they say they do, why they vote the way they do. i am pretty acquainted with their line of reasoning but in the end, i just don't think it holds together. i think an enormous amount of denial is going on and that the nile is bad for them but worse the country. >> it will be bad for them eventually if he is elected. no election prior to the trump era regardless of the outcome caused me to question the fundamental decency of america. i want to drill down more on that and most of the image illegal churches we grew up within the v -- the village of elk people we worship with. i had trouble going to sunday school and bible studies and trouble going to anything without somebody coming in my face going, how can we have a

man like bill clinton as president of the united states? does character not matter? have you not read bill bennett's book of virtues? what is wrong with you? and they were talk about the character of ronald reagan. the character -- they are now voting for a man, i will not go into the details of where he has fallen short personally because we have all fallen short of god's glory. i will just use his words, he has said that he does not need god's forgiveness. and for those that don't read the bible, for those who do not understand what is at the center of any evangelicals faith or any christian's faith, we are all flawed. we are only saved -- we are not saved by good work, we are

saved by grace and when we go before god and say we have failed you again, please forgive me. that is the center. that is the foundation of the faith and they are voting for a man who said, i don't need god to forgive me. how do they say, i am voting for my christian values and i will vote for a man, whoever undermines that jesus said in the beatitudes and says he does not need man's forgiveness -- god's forgiveness. spec you know, it is a psychological trick they are playing. they justified it by saying turning this race into an exit essential crisis and the democrats and the progressives are against americans are trump is the only thing that stands between them and catastrophe. it is the opposite thing and i do think, what you're getting, the point you're making is exactly right.

and it has been a catastrophic damage that has been done to the christian witness because this is a moral freak show and people look at the hypocrisy you're talking about and people who went after bill clinton with a figure of two by four, every day he was in office. and now they are defending a man who makes bill clinton look like a boy scout. and i think what is underneath and this is a very complicated question. i think what we are found out is a cat scan on the evangelical movement is there has been pulsating grievances and resentments and anger that trump really tapped into and what has happened is i think that faith is secondary. it is subordinate to the core identity that a lot of these people have. if you give them sodium pedestal, they would say faith is the most important thing in the life but in reality it is not. and i think what they have done is proof text at the bible and talked to themselves and created a narrative or they think they are being faithful.

and you can understand people make mistakes but at the end of the day there is moral accountability and as we have been talking about, this is not subtle when it comes to donald trump. this is what his vileness and depravity is something he displays every day and they seem to revel in. it seems to be good for them and that is really sad and sick. up next, from weatherman to chef nbc's our broker and his daughter, courtney, are with us to talk about their new cookbook , our broker's recipes to live by. 'morning joe: weekend' will be right back.

still have symptoms from moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's disease after a tnf blocker like humira or remicade? put them in check with rinvoq. rinvoq works differently and it's a once-daily pill. when symptoms tried to take control, i got rapid relief with rinvoq. check. when flares tried to slow me down, i got lasting steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when my doctor saw damage, rinvoq helped visibly reduce damage of the intestinal lining. check. rapid symptom relief. lasting, steroid-free remission. and visibly reduced damage. check, check and check. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin; heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. put uc and crohn's in check and keep them there with rinvoq.

ask your gastroenterologist about rinvoq. and learn how abbvie can help you save. missing out on the things you love because of asthma? get back to better breathing with fasenra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. step back out there with fasenra.

ask your doctor if it's right for you. (♪♪) ♪ ♪ ask yo with so much greatight entertainment out there... wouldn't it be easier if you could find what you want, all in one place? my favorites. get xfinity streamsaver with netflix, apple tv+, and peacock included, for only $15 a month.

the intersection of food and family. al roker's recipes to live by. al roker and one of his daughters, professional chef, courtney. wrote the book. it is so great to have you. on the side of 49th street. >> i am never here this early. >> congratulations on the book and i was honored to be at your book party the other night and to hear the story and the genesis of how this came together. courtney, you are the chef, the professional chef, very talented and al is a great cook. let's not -- how did this come together between the two of you?

>> during the pandemic he was making a lot of social videos with my little brother nick and dad would make an appearance once in a while and he was getting a laws that's a lot of positive feedback. i am a recipe developer and this is a great opportunity to write it cook book and a great bonding experience, a family cookbook. that brought the idea and he was not interested at first. >> handle. >> turning down your daughter. >> tough love. i have written one like 30 years ago and i know how much work it is and you know what, we will do this. you are the recipe person. i will write the head notes and all that but this is your baby, literally. >> would you "nobody cooks like you but where do you begin as a professional chef? >> i had to talk to some people and i talked to honestly, him,

my mom, my in-laws and just get as much information as possible. >> we want to do a family recipe. i don't know in your house, nobody wrote anything down. information from my mother was like pulling teeth. she had to be like this recipe detective. to try to figure out what would go into what. >> this is a tough question but we have favors in the book? are there go to recipes that you will cook on a weekend? >> i love my mom's collard greens. cinnamon buns. >> your first recipe was a drink. >> i raised them well. >> i love my mother's oxtail stew and dumplings. as we get into the cold weather, nothing better than coming in and spelling that. the desert, is old-school. which i see more and more, pineapple upside down cake. it is simple but good stuff.

>> can we talk about the family dynamic which is so beautiful? i wrote a book with my dad 10 years ago and one of the unexpected beauties of that was spending all this time with him and doing interviews and going on book tours. what has it been like for you? >> it has been great. it has been amazing. with my dad, everyone cannot say that doing something so special. the cookbook process was stressful but now that we are here it is great. >> you know, when it is time to show up for a show, your here. when it came to deadlines, i'm a little fuzzy. i see the more suggestions. she said, dad, we have to do this. i said, okay. >> this really is, we were talking as kids get older they go out and have their own lives and have beautiful babies and you don't get to be around them as much. >> this is probably the most time we have spent together,

101, since she was in school, like an elementary school really where we would take road trips. and you know and you will see this as yours get older, it is so special to realize that your kid is really good at what they do. and she is a professional and really good and has done restaurant work and work that michelin star restaurants are now recipe developer. >> and a personal chef. tiny spin chef. get the plug out. >> she is really good mom. >> thanks. >> she is a great partner with her husband. i mean, it is the whole package. >> superstar. >> this is the icing on the cake . that is all the time we have for this weekend. thank you for watching. we will see you tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. for a new week of morning joe. until then, enjoy the rest of your weekend. weekend good morning. it