good evidence they could show us to how we can draw meaningful conclusion there on how trump will really turn that ship around. of course, he is trying right now at the 11th hour, because what we know when it comes to republican women and their voting patterns, they differ significantly by age and by region. when we talk about age, suburban republican women tend to support broader republican act test compared to their rural counterparts. we know this. we've been operating from that data for about four years now. but the trump campaign has a really -- he is doing the ivf dance now because he realizes this is the play that plays well with suburban women. he is trying to use a strategy that is a throw everything against the wall strategy. at the end of the day, what we need to see is that

differential between believability, trust, and likability, and we just don't know where that lies fully with suburban women in the swing states for trump. >> rachel, let's talk about other issues -- you talked about the fact that for women, obviously, we got the same set of concerns as everyone else does as it relates to employment and immigration and whatever it is, and then we got this. how do republican women that you spoken to balance which one is greater as it relates to the republican party ? >> i think one of the reasons we don't know what suburban women are thinking is because they are trying not to heal over. they are living their daily lives in issues like childcare, issues of sick leave, parental leave, family caregiving. we know that seven out of 10 women in this country are caregiving for an aging parent or a sick child. it's not necessarily a binary choice for women in the suburbs or anyone else, for that matter, as they are looking for

everything that is on your plate and looking to figure out , you know, who is going to have policies that will best serve them as they are trying to put one foot in front of the other every day. >> so ultimately, you do align with a political party. so how has that -- how has that affected what's going to happen on november 5th? >> with republican women, there are involving priorities and concerns. i was a longtime republican strategist. in 2015 in particular, back in 2020, obviously we couldn't make that in person contact. one thing i did do was, with her husband president. because that is the one barrier we have seen to progress and getting through that country over party method, is that they sort of tend to revert despite

age to go back to voting with her husband's priorities. in this election, we see that it is largely about economy as well as geopolitical tension, but abortion is rearing its ugly head again and again. earlier, i spoke about age versus region. we see with republican women voters who are over the age of 50 that immigration and inflation are most important to them, and they are willing to sort of, again, the message of who they trust and like more versus the party affiliation, and the harris campaign under hands that by seeing them running this country over party playbook really well in the past 10 days. former congresswoman liz cheney coming out, and saying trump's tariffs are anti-american. >> rachel, let's talk about this. what rena just said there, but women sometimes voting because of their husband economic interest, or aligning with how

their husband's vote. tell me about that evolution. >> yeah, i would say this -- at 50% of the marriages in this country ending in divorce, which is a very un-talked about reality for women. there are many republican divorced women and many democratic divorced women, so let's first acknowledge that a lot of women are disappointed or very happy that they don't have a man the next to them when they make their vote. so that's hard for me to gauge. but i will say, it's very right to talk about age, and one thing i think is important to talk about when we think about women is i'm all for enthusiasm and the stability of democracy to see these young people voting, and it's really exciting. but we know historically that women over 50 and women over 65 will vote in the 90th percentile in this country. so they are looking through their lenses, which are not

necessarily the lens of young people. for instance, their social security income. for 42% of women in this country, social sick dirty is 42% of their income. for 15% of women, it is all of their income. so i disagree a little bit with the intro you said earlier, and women voting in their economics is not necessarily selfish all the time. at times it is just based on survival. and so, again, you set it at the top. women are not a monolith, and women have to look through several prisms, including their personal feelings about reproductive right to life positions, as well as how they are paying their bills every day , as a single mom or as a married woman they may have to take her ballot in the closet this year. since she's not voting next to her husband. >> thank you to both of you this morning. rena shaw is a political strategist and founder of relaxed strategies, and rachel

pearson is a founder of engage and the president and ceo of the engage agency. were following the movements of all the candidates this weekend. jd vance just arrived ahead of pain events in the state today. go ahead on this edition of velshi across america, why this presidential election is the most crucial of their lifetime.

>> excitement, anxiety, frustration, dread -- election day, 16 days away. there's a lot of emotions. in part three, we talked about how they are feeling about this election. and for the republicans on the panel specifically, i was curious to know whether they still felt connected to the gop under donald trump.

>> how do you feel about the election? how do you feel about how this is all going to go down? because it's two weeks and what i'm not sensing around the country is as much excitement as i am anxiety and fear. not just about the election outcome, but the country. >> the essence of it is a popularity contest. trump originally was a tv star. he was a businessman, became famous because of tv. kari lake has a personality. that is what we are going for. it's not just about policy anymore. it's about who can get the most viral clicks. i've been saying that the snl writers must be very easy, because everybody has to say something memorable. but at the same time, we have people that will thence a something very out-of-pocket and say, i was taken out of context. it wasn't taken out of context. here is the full video. so that is kind of what i am seeing from that side. and then from the democratic side, we are trying to just honest the fight for a lot of very important policy that we have been beat down, especially

the big cause across the nation being roe v wade and gathering the energy behind that. so i think this election has just been a -- how viral can i go? can i make everything i say memorable? and then maybe i will stay in a person's psyche and when they go to the poll, the only name they were members when they vote for. >> i remember barack obama, i believe it was his farewell address, he spoke about having compassion for people who have seen the american way of life change, and he asked the people have a little compassion for them and understand that they grew up in a different time, and that things are moving more quickly than they are comfortable with. and i think that is what we are seeing now more than ever, is people who are seeing the world change, and they are grasping as hard as they can and times are just moving too quickly for them. >> on a personal level, a subset of our population is

demeaned and against whom violence is espoused. >> correct. so you definitely feel that people on the margins should be protected and brought into the enter. what you want to do this in a way that doesn't make some people think we are moving too fast. >> i don't think anybody needs -- i don't think is a drag queen or a person i need to be especially protected. i want the same protection. i think that falls for anybody who might be on the fringes of things. i understand that not everybody is down with my point of view. not everybody is going to be into the show that i put on, and that's why i'm not demanding that they come to it, you know? but i also don't need you to sit over there and tell me what i am doing and tell me how it shouldn't exist. you know, you asked her about how she feels about the election. i feel good. i feel good about the election, and i still have a belief in america, i really do.

and i know that even if things go off the rails that, i'm going to be okay. i worry for other people. i really do. but there still -- you know, in my heart of hearts, i believe in the best, and i believe in the way of democracy. i think we are going through a glitch, but i think it is not too far -- i don't think we are too far gone that we can't correct it. >> one of the reasons i enjoy coming to arizona is something you said, rachel, that republicans, or traditional conservatives in this country are getting muscled out by donald trump and his group. but i come to arizona because i need those republicans who say, i'm still going to be a republican. this is my party. it is not their party. i want to know how you think about that. because you remain a republican. >> within my party, i have hope that there's going to be a correction, but at the same time, i am a little -- have trepidation towards it.

like, when -- when will it cycle through? i look at what is happening in the senate and i think, when will that -- when will they kind of age out or whatever? some of those people are very young and could be there for a very long time. and i don't think that they represent the whole of the republican party. and i think that some of that extremism -- that is a character flaw. >> is it your view that you will remain a republican for a time to come? >> you know, yes. in arizona, it is difficult to be an independent. i think in my heart of hearts, i think that's what i would rather be. but to make any different on ballots, like they were saying, you want to go and, you know, vote for the better republican candidate. and i think that is where it makes the most difference in arizona, for me, and i identify with those, you know, with people of that party most.

>> i don't really know if i'm going to remain a republican, but i also feel like i am, i'm going to say in no man's land. but now i'm in woman's land, because i'm a harris supporter. i just don't know if i'm going to be able to stay with the party. i am trying to live a life and be an example of when you study democracy, the ideal and the principal is democracy is supposed to expand. the whole point of it is that it's more inclusive. democracy is supposed to be expansive. how do we include more people, whether or not they agree with us? it is about expansion. the republican party that i joined was a republican party that really respected the patriotism of the other, and was not -- remember, small government, not overreaching into your life or your life or your life. whether it is how you want to present or how your identity, or it is your economic background, or it is your race, your culture, your faith.

i was attracted to the republican party because it was less government. we were supposed to be getting out of people's lives and respecting how they choose to live and respecting that in harmony. and we have become the overreach. we have become precisely the opposite. >> my thanks to lila, benny, and jeremy, rachel, and richard for sitting down with me this weekend speaking directly about issues for voters that are important to me and my show and helping more in election cycles to come. is the breaking news regarding the situation in the middle east. nbc news has confirmed that they are investigating the official leak of two top-secret u.s. documents that show that american spy agencies were tracking possible israeli preparations of an attack on iran. that is according to three u.s. officials. two of those officials tell nbc news that the recent leak of the documents that were marked top-secret and related to israel's potential retaliatory attack on iran appear to be

authentic. those documents were leaked on the social media platform telegram on friday. this potential new retaliatory attack from israel comes after iran struck israel on october 1st with scores of missiles and drones, most of which israel intercepted with the aid of the united states. following the israeli killing of the hezbollah leader in beirut. still ahead, there are 22 federally recognized native tribes in the state of arizona, and the democratic congressman ruben gallego is trying to visit every single one of them in the finals of his race to the u.s. senate. i will speak with him next. nex

>> all right. we got a picture of jd vance. he appears to be serving beers to patrons at a bar in green bay, wisconsin. we are keeping track of what all the candidates are doing today. we are back live in phoenix. the democratic congressman ruben gallego and trumped back republican kari lake are battling it out for the state's open senate seat. this is a race that could determine control of the u.s. senate. for gallego, that means reaching out to all voters, even in meetings hiking to the base of the mountain. von hilliard explains. >> reporter: have a sioux tribe, tucked into the crevices of the grand canyon. sacred waters renowned for this. have a sioux by means people of the blue-green waters. the tribe here on the land more than 900 years before arizona ever became a state, and are potentially crucial to electing its first ever latino senator from the state. democrat ruben gallego. >> you win by bringing many people together to vote for you.

>> reporter: in august, a massive flash floods rep to the canyon and parts of the village, killing one person and damaging dozens of homes. >> we were actually due to come before the flash flood that actually affected the canyon. >> reporter: symbolic of the more extreme weather from climate change. >> we have a diamond in the rough of the united states of america. >> reporter: and is why he's here with just three weeks until election day. >> we don't have streetlights. we only have trail. we only walk from and to the store and back home and our village. >> reporter: we had gallego eight miles down into the canyons of the village. >> were trying to recognize all the federalized tribes, but this tribe lives and resides at the bottom of the grand canyon. if you want to visit them, you want to talk to them about tribal lands, there needs, their wants, you have to physically come down here. they're only down here the grand canyon, correct.

>> reporter: the indigenous vote helping tip the scale for democrats in 2020 and 2022. elections for president and governor coming down to less than 17,000 votes. native americans made up about 5% of arizona's population and historically favored democrats. >> it's always been democrats. and mainly, i think, tribal members really look at the issues with the environment. >> what are those issues? uranium mining near the grant anion that recently started again. there is staunch opposition within the village of years of irreversible spills i would tend to the local waters and airborne contamination through inhalation, but also harm to the foil and food supply. >> we have something really special here. >> that is the drinking water you guys rely on. >> he said he was going to help us. >> reporter: gallego is taking on republican kari lake. she is also tried to court the indigenous vote, like gallego

marching last month in the annual parade of the navajo nation, the largest tribe in the state, a community that is expressed frustration for neglect from the federal government. >> i don't blame them. both parties in d.c. have been frankly not very good for the people. >> reporter: the likes of former republican senator john mccain held reverence here over his relationship with the tribal communities. >> my grandparents -- because he was a very good spokesperson. >> reporter: gallego, the democrat from a very blue congressional district in phoenix, is now taking steps -- a lot of states -- to meet his states expansive electric. >> how do you describe yourself politically? >> i'm a fighter for arizona. sometimes it takes me to different spectrums of the political world, but what happens no matter what is i'm always looking up 1st for arizona, making sure it gets what it wants and needs and its representation.

>> some excellent reporting from nbc's von hilliard. joining me now is ears on a congressman himself, ruben gallego. he is the democratic nominee for arizona's open u.s. senate seat. >> things for having me. >> you heard some of the conversation that i had with those voters here in phoenix. republicans and democrats. in this particular case, they were all voting for vice president harris and tim walz, and all voting for you. in fact, your race has now become -- you got -- i want to see a comfortable lead. >> no lead until i when. >> you are outside the margin of error according to poling. the whole country is looking at certain particular states this year, including this one. >> arizona is in the independent-minded state. we are very western. and i think a lot of people are seeing the stakes of this election, realizing that there's only one way to go, and that's to make sure we get people like kari lake and donald trump not elected. especially with abortion-rights

. they had a big scare when they tried to take us back to 1864 abortion ban. people are voting their conscience and for freedom this year. >> the republicans on my panel work pointing that out, that the states history of republicanism and conservatism suggests smaller government, and they don't think these abortion restrictions fit in with their theoretical view of what conservatism is. >> absolutely. i think democrats, independents, and republicans all agree that we want personal freedom, and they are not seeing that on the ticket from the other side. >> i know you are talking to a lot of republicans. a lot of your support is coming from republicans. this constant election denial -- remember, your opponent has not needed her last race for governor from 2022. that is seeming to really be rubbing people the wrong way. >> it rubs people the wrong way because we are used to good government here. you know, when kari lake is attacking people for not certifying the election or

rigging the election, she's actually talking about republicans. because it's republicans that certify the election here. the county supervisor, republican reporter. another have death threats against them. if i get personal bodyguards. some of them have ptsd from all the trauma she has caused, and all just because she wants power. she just wants to do whatever it takes for her to win, and doesn't care who it hurts. and in the end, it's arizonans who get hurt. >> i think you mentioned it's all the bad stuff from donald trump and none of the goods. >> i think the biggest problem is a lot of people give donald trump a lot of excuses. for kari lake, she doesn't get a lot of excuses because people have known her for forever. and as soon as she got a little bit of power, she misused that trust, and now she does it to personally benefit her. she has nonprofits which she has raised money into. she's been sued for defamation. she admitted to lying about another republican voter, and people just don't trust her

anymore. if you can't be trusted, people won't vote for you. >> not a name that is known around the country, but this is a person who is administering the elections here in maricopa maricopa county and he has received death threats. >> actually defeated a democrat, because there wasn't a democrat actually running the recorder's office correctly. and then went in there and administer the election in 2020 -- excuse me, in 2022. because he did it correctly and by the books, he was accused by kari lake and other republicans of being, you know, a sellout. treasonous . he ended up getting death threats to the point he had to get security. i know because he is one of my neighbors. and when i walk my dog or go for a walk, i had to see suvs in front of his house. that is horrible. arizona is used to democrats and republicans living together and working together, sometimes fighting, sometimes disagreeing, never getting to the caustic level of what kari lake has caused. >> talk to me about immigration.

people in arizona really have an intimate relationship with it for whatever side of the issue they are on. this is something that some arizonans thought that this congressional bill that got torpedoed made sense. it was not something a lot of democrats loved everything about, nor something a lot of republicans loved everything about, but it was forward momentum. >> we are very realistic about the border, more so than other states because we are here. from where you are, it's about two hours and 15 minutes to the border. a lot of border exchanges that are both positive and negative. billions of dollars in trade, and of course the problems of the border with asylum-seekers and illegal immigrants. but in the vein of john mccain, jeff flake, we understand we each have a compromised to get this done. and that's what we saw in that bill, that it wasn't perfect, but we need to get something done and not let politics get in the way. that's what it was like politicians like kari lake said absolutely not. it's not because anything

wasn't a good enough solution or they thought there's more coming later, it's because they needed border prop. but they needed for political reasons. yet our border communities are still hurting every day. >> we had jeff flake on earlier in the show, we have john giles yesterday from asap. you got a permission structure in the state for republicans to vote for democrats, and they are actually quite enthusiastic. if you got an issue for democrats were unenthusiastic? there are people who prefer kamala harris and tim walz, but they are thinking they might just not vote this time around. >> i would say there has been a marked difference since vice president harris got into this race. we do see a lot more excitement. i see it at the doors, people in our offices with people volunteering. i can't speak for other parts of the country, but we certainly see a lot more enthusiasm, especially among young latinos and latino voters. so i don't see that happening. i do think that, you know, there's 200,000 more registered republicans and democrats in

arizona, so we have to have a full collusion -- we have to have excitement from our base voters, as well as we have to have crossovers of work independents and republicans. and why vice president harris is still on the hunt here because she is able to put that closer together. >> good to see you. it's nice to finally meet you. >> welcome to my backyard. i live a mile away from here. >> ruben gallego is a democratic congressman running for senate in arizona. that does it for this special edition of velshi. you for watching. inside with jen psaki begins right now. now. well, i guess we can add a nice cold arnold palmer to the list of things that the former president has ruined for us. kamala harris and her top surrogates really start to take the gloves off. california governor newsom devon has some things to get off his chest, and he is