arizona, so we have to have a full collusion -- we have to have excitement from our base voters, as well as we have to have crossovers of work independents and republicans. and why vice president harris is still on the hunt here because she is able to put that closer together. >> good to see you. it's nice to finally meet you. >> welcome to my backyard. i live a mile away from here. >> ruben gallego is a democratic congressman running for senate in arizona. that does it for this special edition of velshi. you for watching. inside with jen psaki begins right now. now. well, i guess we can add a nice cold arnold palmer to the list of things that the former president has ruined for us. kamala harris and her top surrogates really start to take the gloves off. california governor newsom devon has some things to get off his chest, and he is coming

up first. format plus, the vice president isn't the only one making waves on fox news. her senior adviser has been all over fox. it is driving trump insane. ian is going to join me live in just a few minutes. a new segment for us with just three weeks to go. questions with former obama campaign manager jimmy sina. okay. believe it or not, we are just eckstein days out from the election, and right now, it is pretty safe to say that these candidates are closing out their campaigns in slightly different ways. i mean, kamala harris is trying to fire up her base, any people off the couch to vote. she's holding big rallies with huge stars like usher, getting people excited. but she's also at the same time trying to expand her base of soup or by doing things like walking right into the lions den of fox news. and on the other hand, there is donald trump.

>> arnold palmer was all man. and i say that with all due respect to women -- and i love women -- but this guy. this is a guy who was all man. this man was strong and tough, and i refuse to say it, but when he took showers with the other boroughs that came out of there, they said, oh, my god. that is unbelievable. >> so there is that. and yes, the story is about arnold palmer's anatomy, and the 30 minute dance sessions he did earlier this week might help explain why he and his team are avoiding more public exposure. i mean, just look at the last few weeks. he is ruled out participating in any more events between kamala harris, refused to commit to a cnn town hall, backed out of the interview with 60 minutes, backed out of

interview with cnbc, and even canceled an appearance at an nra event in georgia originally slated for next week. i mean, and nra event, anyone? what is safer for donald trump to attend than that? and we should point out, in case you don't remember, this is only noticeable change in just four years ago. because just four years ago by the end of october, trumpet done an interview at 60 minutes and grilled by savannah guthrie, and he had already debated joe biden twice. but now, in 2024, he pretty much just hungers down among friends in safe spaces like fox news. which even that, according to fox trump news isn't friendly enough. >> i'm going to see rupert murdoch and tell him something very simple. don't put on negative commercials for 21 days. and don't put on their horrible people that come in life. i'm going to say, rupert, please do it this way, and then

we are going to have a victory. >> i love the scratching of the head on the side of that couch. even though a very comfortable looking couch for trump is not comfortable enough. all of this raises two very big questions -- why is trump backing out of so many things? less than three weeks out from the election? why is the only comfortable in a very narrow safe space, which he continues to narrow? i mean, another explanation for all of this is that when he does attempt to answer basic questions, he always seems to go a little something like this. >> should google be broken up? >> i just haven't gotten over something the justice department did yesterday, where virginia cleaned up its voter rolls and got rid of thousands and thousands of dead votes, and the justice department sued them, that they should be allowed to put those bad votes and illegal votes back in and let the people vote. so i haven't gotten -- i

haven't gotten over that. a lot of people see that and they can't even get over that. >> the question is about google, president trump. >> i was quite a journey he took us down there. what i mean, though? maybe he is canceling interviews and events because his team doesn't trust him. according to the new york times, some of his allies and advisers are concerned about his scattershot style on the campaign trail as he continues to veer off script. pretty sure the 12 minute story about arnold palmer ending with that shower scene didn't exactly calm those concerns. or maybe, trump has dug in this stuff because he is simply too tired. lyrical reported this week as well that when trump dodged another interview commitment this week, one of the advisers explained to that outlet that trump was, quote, exhausted. now, unsurprisingly, the harris campaign is starting to seize on all of this, even posting a video of what appears to be a very sleepy donald trump during a campaign event on friday.

now, i point all of this out because in a campaign -- entering a period of a campaign were literally every day and every hour of every day matters, it is notable that one candidate is falling asleep at his own event. rambling about arnold palmer's anatomy, and avoiding basic questions. that's information that people should take into the voting booth with them. of course they should. right now, kamala harris and brock obama are trying their hardest to make sure they do. >> now, he is ducking debates. and canceling interviews because of exhaustion. have you noticed he tends to go off script and ramble? and generally for the life of him cannot finish a thought. and he has called it the weave.

but i think here would call it nonsense. >> you would be worried if your grandpa started acting like this. if you would. right? you call up your brother, your cousin or something and be like, to be seen grandpa lately? what are we going to do? but this is coming from somebody who wants unchecked power. we do not need to see what an older, linear donald trump looks like with no guardrails. >> have you seen grandpa lately? we should all be asking that. the bottom line here is this -- whatever trump's reason for canceling all of these interviews, whatever his reason for hiding out in his increasingly smaller safes vases is all very telling. and what it tells us is the story of one candidate who is open to being tested, who is willing to do the hard work,

was going on fox news and environments not exactly friendly to her, calling for a second debate. and another candidate who is refusing to be tested in any real way at all. joining me now is california governor gavin newsom. governor, it's great to see you. there's so much i want to get into with you, and i do want to start just with the trump of it all. because what struck me is, he has been canceling lots of events and interviews, lots of them. it's quite a contrast, of course, with harris. nasser trump canceling interviews and events and ducking another debate, here is someone -- you know him. you paid attention to his psyche for a long time. what do you think is going on there? >> well, i said this from day one -- he is weakness masquerading a strength. he's a broken person. you are seeing that. he's becoming increasingly this is remarkable to be able to say this, because he is often graded on the curve, and he is

increasingly acting deranged and unhinged, a rhetoric coming from the harris campaign absolutely mimics what we are watching, and you saw that 39 minute curious narcissism on another level, where people had to sort of stare at their leader as he was dancing or zoning out. i mean, this is a profound and remarkable moment. and i think he is not meeting that moment. i think he is increasingly concerned about his own candidacy himself, and he is going back to the safe places -- fox and friends again this week -- and the questions there are yawning the predictable, and he is becoming increasingly derivative of even himself and, more i say boring. he is not as interesting, either, as he once was. >> we learned last week the donald trump's former chairman of the joint chiefs called him a fascist to the core. in an interview harris did tuesday, she was asked about fascism. let's just play that we will

talk about it. >> it's two very different visions for our nation. one is about taking us forward and progress and investing in the american people, investing in their ambitions, dealing with their challenges. and the other donald trump is about taking us backward. >> it's about fascism. why can't we just say that? >> yes, we can say that. >> i mean, this is a question we have all been talking around for a while, including how to describe him. let me just start with a question. is donald trump a fascist in your view? >> well, i know it's a loaded word, but when you say you're going to be dictator on day one, i mean, look up the definition of fascism. the characteristics of a dictator. and authoritarian. general millie said it himself. trump, again, reinforced it himself. he talked about suspending the constitution. this is serious stuff. you saw this last week, britney to eliminate funding, including, by the way, the

schools in california. $7.9 billion a year we receive in federal funding to educate our kids, and if we don't do his bidding, you saw in the middle of the week, disaster recovery efforts with fema in the southeast and places like south and north carolina, and here he was threatening wildfire money yet again in the state of california. it's the most un-american thing someone can do, let alone a nominee for the highest office in the land. so i don't think it is overstating, but i deeply recognize that those are loaded words when you use words like fascism and it turned some people off, but again, by definition, i think that is a fair assessment from the vice president and general millie. >> i ask that, because exactly as you said about the definition of that, as you just outlined in are the expert on, i mean, what he is acting as it relates to your state of california that does grapple with wildfires, the grapples with natural disasters, he has

been threatening essentially to withhold funding and withhold assistance. is that something within your team, you have to plan for and think about? if he is elected? >> not only have a plan for it, i've experienced. this is exactly what we experienced in the few years i did work with him. this is not new. people need to understand this. we had to make calls, we had to grovel with the president of the united states who personally needed a call to do the right thing for millions and millions of americans. by the way, millions were actually supported him as well. he is the most un-american nominee of my lifetime. this is serious, serious stuff. he is becoming increasingly unhinged, and as the vice president says, unstable. the unethical nature of him is next level. we experienced this, many governors, not just myself. and now he is very much out in the open and expressing himself in a much more transparent way.

wake up to that reality. >> you know, one of the other characteristics of a dictator, of a fascist, is this effort to go after your political enemies, which he talks about quite a bit. there are a number of people who are california colleagues of yours, congressman adam schiff, former speaker pelosi. you know, he calls -- he calls you news,. is not really a creative approach, i would say. go ahead. >> just on that, i know. it's very familiar to me. i think it was a seventh or eighth grader that called me, and now it's a 78-year-old. maybe he could describe him also is a manchild of sorts. what an embarrassment. i have four kids. either way, it's not even a partisan point of view. i love this country, i love my kids, i don't talk down to

people, past people. i love people who support me don't support me. it's the american thing to do. we had the privilege last week to be there at ethel kennedy's memorial and talking about the history of poverty and disease, the spirit of dr. king, of community. this notion that we are all better off talking about the better angels. and here we have a guy ascribing nicknames, threatening people, threatening the military to go after american citizens. the enemy within. and this guy wants to be an american president representing the best of the founding fathers. the best of the roman republic and greek democracy and the founding principles and separation of powers and popular sovereignty. is the antithesis of all of those things. a 250 year experiment that is how this nation together, he will wreck it. he lost the election and try to wreck this country. this is a reckless person. and so that's why i really

appreciate what the vice president is doing, sharpening the edges and really calling out the risk donald trump is to this country and our democracy. >> is a good way of describing it is really sharpening the edges. this is what i was referencing earlier. there's a range of different messages and it does feel like in these final weeks, it is making clear to people the threat and what is at stake. we talked about this a little bit earlier, but her interview with fox news this week -- and you never shied away from fox news, clearly. i haven't shied away from fox news either in my time. millions of people watch it. what you think of her decision to say, enter the lions den, shall we say? >> was spot on and she did a fabulous job. not only did she get credit for showing up, but she showed up as kamala harris, the person i have long known. she pushed back, she corrected in real time, and i think she did an outstanding job. i thought it was a very

important moment in this campaign, and i can't tell you -- again, a lot of folks that never see me unless i am on fox actually had to admit, well, she did pretty well on that platform and on the network. >> no question, and that is one of the reasons to do it, because people -- you can provide people with talking points and information who may not get it otherwise. she had what i thought was a very effective moment where she called out bret baier for not showing the full context of donald trump's comments about what he calls the enemy from within, which he keeps repeating. so let's display that moment. >> brett, i'm sorry, and with all due respect, that clip was not what he has been saying about the enemy within that he has repeated when he is speaking about the american people. that is not what you just showed. no, that is not what you just showed. in all fairness, i am talking to you. you didn't show that, and here's the bottom line. he has repeated it many times,

and you and i both know that, and you and i both know that he is talked about turning the american military on the american people. >> and i think it was very important she did that in that moment. she had kind of a gut instinct in the moment. what did you make of that, what if you heard about that moment for people you've talked to? >> i was probably the most watched and clipped and viral component of the interview because she did exactly what she needed to do. it is commission and omission. that's how that network operates. you can't act like a victim when you go on that network. you have to be prepared, and she was prepared and prepared to call that out. brett is an outstanding -- i have deep respect for bret baier. but that network itself, you know, there's a reason folks call it a propaganda network. and so she was right to do that. he was right to acknowledge that they took that clip out of context the next day. i appreciated hearing that from brett.

but again, we got to meet people where they are. we can't be afraid to go into those networks. it is surroundsound over there. you've got to meet the people where they are. as you say, millions and millions of people, many independents, some democrats, are perhaps watching for entertainment, but are watching that network. >> we have to sneak in a very, very quick break. much more on my interview with governor newsom is coming up. i asked him the same question kamala harris gets asked during every interview -- how is she different from joe biden? also, how worried is he on elon musk's impact on this campaign? i will put those questions to the governor when we come back.

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cheerleaders. you been on the trail for her. she is elected, you're going to work closely with her. how do you hope for the people of california, as a governor, that a kamala harris presidency would be different than a joe biden presidency? >> she sees the world through her own set of eyes, her unique experience. she is a changed candidate. she is a generational candidate in that respect. she's also the vice president of the united states and i think it's a most an impossible position to be in. if she separates too much, we have a new narrative where we think and zag and not do what she wants to focus on in terms of the closing argument. that said, this last week, she did focus more on that separation and in this context, building on what they did together as it relates to housing, particularly now focusing on affordable housing and reaffirming her strong commitment in that space to do more. and then on the issue of eldercare, which of course comes from her own lived experience. look, it's a very difficult

position to be in to be vice president. you want to be respectful to a president was helped create 16.2 million american jobs, eight times more than the last three republican administrations combined. at the same time, you want to make a case that we always need to make, that every election is about the future. every election is about your tomorrows, not yesterday's. and of course, that's a big part of what she has been doing the last few weeks, broadly introducing herself, but elections also are about choice, and it is a binary choice. in this case, i'm glad she's really focusing this as a referendum on donald trump and trumpism. >> no question. one of the things, child care, child tax credits, another one. one of the things she speaks differently about them president biden and just how i hear it is women's rights and reproductive rights. this comes from your point from her background, and how she has been talking about this issue for many years.

she has brought up donald trump's wild claim that he is the, quote, father of ivf. requiring insurance providers to cover cost is for ivf, it is a tremendous contribution to families out there. so as someone who is actually doing work on this issue, talking about it, talk about the absurdity of his claim. >> well, it's only reinforced by the absurdity of his silence. were two attempts recently in congress to codify the commitment to ivf, including providing expanded insurance coverage, and republicans in congress said no, and donald trump continues to duck and weave on that question. another reason he doesn't take tough interviews at all. it is laughable that he is the father of ivf. he is the father of dobbs. he is the father of the conditions that he has spawned all across this country, putting fear, millions and millions of women and young men that care about women in this country. and so it is offensive, it is consistent with his orwellian rhetoric, an

allusion he thinks rules. and that's why i apply to kamala harris for going in the lions den and breaking some of that, you know, the spell that so many are under that watch that network and actually believe -- it is inconceivable that he isn't, because they are told that he is the father of this or he's the author of that, or he's the savior of this, and so, again, so important to take it on the offense, and that is, again, what she has pivoted this last week, sharpening the rhetoric of what is at stake. >> another thing that you had done as governor that i think has not merely received enough attention is that you signed legislation last month that forces social media platforms to crack down on deep fakes. and it is something you vowed to do this summer when elon musk himself posted a digitally altered kamala harris edits. he is one of donald trump's

biggest supporters and was out campaigning for trump last week, dancing on the stage. i wonder how dangerous you think -- as someone who studied this and signed this bill, his influence on this election has been and could be. >> well, it's what we know and what we don't know. we do know he has contributed at least $75 million to the trump campaign. we know he's out there campaigning for him. i have known elon for over 20, 25 years. one of america's great entrepreneurs and innovators, but that's not the person i knew even two years ago. and with respect to elon, i just don't have the confidence that there's not up to behind the scenes. not just what he is expressing quite publicly. and it very concerned about our country, where people in elon musk, others are sucking up to donald trump that will undoubtedly be carved out of regulations, undoubtably get massive, even larger federal contracts. i mean, it is an american oligarchy that can be formed here.

it is very serious. i hope people are paying attention to what is going on, and those that are sucking up to donald trump right now, and unfortunately, seeing this from elon musk breaks my heart a little bit. again, as someone who really admires his entrepreneurial and innovative tendencies, and we are all beneficiaries from that as it relates to vehicles and issues related to the work he has done in space, but i am increasingly concerned about those kinds of relationships. not just to many others that are supporting his campaign. >> i could ask this all the time. i sometimes have to hug people and say it's going to be okay. everybody's working so hard out there. what is keeping you up at night right now? >> just apathy, cynicism. people not recognizing they have agency. those that just think the future is something to experience, not something to manifest. those who think the future is in front of us, not inside of us. and so i want folks not to just

sit there and, you know, wring their hands, but get out there and exercise their voice. that's what the vote is. in exercise of their power. and if we do, we have the power to shape the future of this country. and it's -- as kamala harris said, it is about daylight and darkness. >> big thanks to governor newsom for his team taking busy time out of their campaign trail in michigan. coming up, donald trump just can't stop complaining about my next guest and his appearances on fox news. in sam's is standing by, and he's coming up next. will i ask him about arnold palmer? you would have to stick around and find out. we will be right back. back. so you can reach today's financial goals and look forward to a more confident future. voya, well planned, well invested, well protected. [♪♪] did you know, there's a detergent that gets your dishes up to 100% clean, even in an older dishwasher?

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