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a very good day to all of you from envious -- msnbc headquarters. we began with decision 2024 and with 16 days until election day it is a hectic day on the campaign trail in the close race for the white house. vice president harris has wrapped up appearances at events in battleground georgia where the congregation serenaded her on her 60th birthday.

>> ♪ >> breaking records and going to the polls across georgia. >> have you noticed he tends to go off script and ramble. and generally for the life of him can't finish a thought. and he has called it the we've -- weave, we will call it nonsense. >> voters are already casting ballots in person with more than 1.3 million people voting there and friction and pushback from election officials over new voting rules in that state.

>> we saw the shenanigans for the georgia state board of elections for what they are in this effort to literally change the rules while people are voting and the courts rightly pushed back on that. >> we have photo i.d. and people are concerned about signature match and we have been sued by both the democrats and republicans questioning the validity of signature match. we lay that on top and all early accepted ballots will all have their results reported by 8:00 p.m. and that maybe 75% of all the totals reported no later than 8:00 p.m. on election night. donald trump is on the trail in pennsylvania and vice president harris will be there later today. senator vance is in wisconsin and governor walz in massachusetts, connecticut and washington and the second gentleman also and trump

detailing the steelers jets game and yesterday in pennsylvania he went on a bizarre rant appearing to discuss the anatomy of the late golfer arnold palmer and lane attacks and vice president harris. a few moments ago he sought to discredit the vice president by visiting the mcdonald's. >> look. ready? i am going for a job right now at mcdonald's and i really wanted to do this all my life and now i will do it because she didn't do it. thank you very much. >> okay. we have several reporters in place covering all these developments and we will go first to georgia where kamala harris is campaigning on her 60th birthday. we are joined again from atlanta as well. what is the vice president doing to win over more support from blackmon? >> this is a group of boaters that the campaign is making an

enormous investment in and we see the vice president trying to erode some of the gains we have seen former president trump make with men but specifically black men and we saw vice president harris as you said at those church services earlier today and at one of them we saw the george or senator who didn't mince words about this issue and told the congregation at one of these churches that this talk about black men voting for the other, i don't believe it. he said the real threat isn't trump but not showing up and then he had the men in this congregation stand up and chant real men votes and we also saw the harris campaign lean into or lean onto former president obama to help with this specific effort. i can tell you that i have been here in atlanta speaking with specifically black men. i spoke with some of them yesterday in the reaction as to whether they would support harris is mixed.

i spoke with some of them and some democratic voters who said they would support harris and cited misinformation as well as stimulus checks as to why they say blackmore -- black men are more open for supporting president trump but i did speak to a republican who voted democratic and all past elections, eric johnson, a barber here in atlanta and said nothing that harris can do between now and the election could sway his vote. listen to this. >> in past elections have you voted democratic? >> every time, all the way down and down every box always democratic, but now, you know, i would rather vote for the one who dodges bullets and not dodges questions. do you know what i am saying? >> reporter: what would it take for the vice president to earn back your vote? we have seen her make enormous investments trying to court specifically black men? >> it is nothing they can do. it is past.

the ship has sailed. it is past that point now. >> reporter: you think there are many more black men who feel the way you do? >> i know it is. they can't speak to their wives about it and the wives have their opinion so it's like just keep the peace. >> johnson saying he believes there are many more black men supporting trump than even what we see in the polls so definitely an interesting angle that we will watch up until the election. >> let's head to lancaster, pennsylvania which a big trump town hall there later today and what is the campaign focus for trump with 16 days left? >> a major goal for the campaign in this final stretch is choosing his base in getting republicans to turn out and vote for trump on election day especially republicans from

battleground states like here in pennsylvania where he has been all weekend and we saw him moments ago at a mcdonald's which is something he has been talking about on the trail for weeks saying he will visit one and accusing vice president harris of not actually having worked at one. another big strategy to jews the base is to push in american first agenda pushing this higher tariffs policy increasing domestic production. we do know of course that brings the risk of counterterrorism but i want you to hear about how we talked about that policy proposal and emphasizing on the trail lately. take a listen. >> the word terrace is the most beautiful world -- word in the dictionary and more beautiful than love. and more beautiful than respect and less beautiful than religion. i don't want to get into that argument. >> reporter: up ahead for the former president, he will be here in lancaster, pennsylvania

with the crowd already lining up and after that he is headed to the steelers versus jets game and tomorrow he will be in another battleground state as he courts the critical swing state voters. >> let's bring in the vice president of political strategy of crooked media and ashley pratt oats and welcome. good to see you here. i do want to talk about this surge of early voting. in 2020 the early vote was highly democratic and the fact that some of these states are breaking records, is that good news for harris are do you expect a less dramatic split now that republicans are encouraging early voting? >> definitely, it won't be as bad for republicans as has been in the past but generally i think we don't know how people are going to split tickets. i think there are a lot of republicans who are over donald trump. so just attributing registration for party making

assumptions about these votes is not a safe assumption to make. but i think what voters here in this final stretch from the candidates is there is a small group of undecided voters trying to understand or figure out who they are voting for and if they listen to the candidate right now i think the decision is becoming easier with kamala harris talking about her fans while donald trump is talking about other men's private parts. >> trump in the gop were adamantly against early and mail-in voting and it became a partisan issue and at the rally of elon musk in pennsylvania he asked attendees to vote early and a few people shouted out why? is the damage done and will this hurt the gop moving

forward? >> in may there were reports that the gop was trying to get people excited about early voting because they realized they were at such a disadvantage when it comes to their get out the vote effort republicans have been notoriously pretty bad at those efforts and they have been great at it, democrats. especially when it comes to incorporating early voting. the fact they still have a candidate at the top of their ticket talking about how he won the 2020 election which clearly he didn't is a problem because it makes people continue to distrust the early voting process and i think the early damage has been done against republicans so while there may be a few million who vote across the country early and some of these republican columns, i think largely that will benefit the democrats but we have seen republicans turnout on election day and i think this comes down to a few

select swing states and a small percentage of voters who are undecided so that is who they really need to focus on in these the final sprints. >> harris spoke about reproductive rights last night and brought up the georgia woman who tragically died after being denied care and here is more of what she said. >> look. we know this is a healthcare crisis and this isn't something theoretical or not just about a political conversation but very real. donald trump is the architect. >> give us a sense of how much should the issue of abortion be forefront for harris and you think it is the most winning issue for her? >> absolutely. i said this last week that abortion will continue to be an issue and it will really drive voters and we can pay attention to it or not but people will show up and i think continued

attention from that even from donald trump saying things like the father of ivf or shining a light on more steps republicans can take for reproductive health and the thought of having a national abortion ban is on a lot of voters minds and it will make a lot of republican women decide to vote for kamala harris. i think it is a winning message for her. >> former president obama rallied for harris last night calling out his border policies and taking on one of the former presidents biggest attack lines and here is that. >> he is very quick to say to her when you were vice president four years ago. >> dude, you are president for four years. >> how big of an impact can he make bringing back the coalition that he turned out in 08 and 12? >> he can make a big impact

especially since she has brought in that coalition to making a bigger dent as well to get more enthusiasm which may have dwindled with biden. i think the more she continues to distance herself from biden and chart her path and show she is out there and really trying to get female voters i think very excited about the selection and encouraged to go out there and vote for freedoms, i think it is a winning combination if he could rally those black men we were talking about in the last segment. i think something important said by the voter who used to vote democrat is they don't want to talk to their wives about this. she is talking to the wives. i think this will be a key driver on election day. the abortion issue is something that will drive females and

those men who support them at the polls but i did pick that up. >> speaking of wives, michelle obama is set to hit the campaign trail this week including her first rally with harris. how critical is she? did they intentionally wait until the final stretch to showcase her and close the deal? >> i think the best time to bring michelle obama out is important and it will bring people out to doing a rally and people want to come see her after early voting has started and that is happened. democrats want people to vote as soon as possible so they can run those numbers up in the past that has been something that has worked well for them but michelle obama is a star of the party and people wanted her to run for president herself. it will be a really exciting time on the campaign trail and she will bring those excited voters out. >> harris has no plans to campaign with president biden over the next 16 days and what you make of that? can she step out from any administration's shadow? >> yes. i think she will really have to

toe the line and she can be supportive of biden and the administration that she has been a part of. she really needs to distance herself in a way that shows that she is a candidate for change. what we have seen in new polling as well as that trump is pulling ahead when it comes to being that candidate and largely because the incumbent in office right now is obviously a democrat. i think at this point the more she showcases herself as a candidate for change, the more she has that hopeful rhetoric and going against somebody who is continuously spewing conspiracy theories on the campaign trail and we see swing voters are less likely to support a candidate who supports the election denialism theories we have seen trump continued to double down on. the polls consistently change but that has been interesting because i think her pro- democracy message in that final

stretch will resonate with undecided and swing voters. >> can i ask you about this and we heard from barack obama when he said he condemns kamala harris being vice president but he said, dude, you are president for four years of this whole concept of change and is harris still commanding this idea? >> i think so. she started in a fox interview and a lot clearer answer on how she would be different from joe biden. i think people need to be reminded of who donald trump is and he has been reminding people as he has been out of the campaign trail so we did put a video out this week and it was a montage of all of the things that happened in the first few years of his presidency and he was in office for four years. i think about something like immigration pointing to the vice president as not doing anything while she has been in office. but he was actually president for four years and this has

been put forth that he has told the republican counterparts not to move forward on and it is something that he could have pushed forward on so he will continue to do this and it is just what he does. >> i got you. a few more weekends and we will see you. thank you. >> next, a disinformation tool that has been sharpened this election cycle. how hard is it to telly deep fake from the real thing? we are back in 90 seconds. 90 s. hi, i'm sally. i'm from phoenix, arizona. i'm a flight nurse on a helicopter

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today, new concerns surrounding a.i. generated deep fakes sparking words about the selection and the washington post recently explored how a.i. experts are preparing to counter fake audio of vice president harris and former president trump and we included here are a few examples of a.i. generated audio and some real audio so you can listen. >> i was selected because i am the ultimate diversity higher. i am both a woman in person of color. so if you criticize anything i say, you are both sexist and racist. i have been hearing reports

that his team at least is saying he suffering from exhaustion. and that's apparently the excuse for why he's not doing interviews and of course is not doing the cnn town hall. >> they believe anything on fox news. i could lie, and they would still eat it up and i but my numbers would be terrific. i do believe, i do believe. look, this is really corrupt stuff. the other thing is, as you know, they really won in the supreme court, okay, the fisher case in the various cases and why are they still being held? >> joining us now to discuss the concerns of a.i. is the former chief of staff miles taylor and chief policy officer at the future u.s. and a good friend to us. okay, to the untrained ear these can be pretty convincing in my producer told me which were real and which were fake. can you tell? >> i will take a guess. i think it was the first one of each of those cases. with a real or fake? i think the first one of each was fake and you tell me. >> you are right. >> here is the thing. you can make these absolutely

indistinguishable from reality. as you know, we have been running wargames on this for the past year for election officials and federal officials to do that and show them what you just showed viewers that it will be very difficult to distinguish not be -- only between voices that are real and fake but even local election officials. this week one of the had election officials, the secretary of state and one of the maine swing states of arizona said this is his number one concern, possibility that there will be false information disseminated with the deep fake and it will be really hard to debunk. we are worried about that in the run-up to election. >> we know creators with malicious intent likely target people who wouldn't be able to tell the difference and it is hard to do. is there any regulation the federal government should be pushing to combat this, or does it fall to fact checkers and experts like you to debunk them? >> unfortunately, there were

efforts in congress to try to get a bipartisan bill passed to make it a lot harder for people to use deep fakes in an election context and it had strange bedfellows and amy klobuchar in the senate in the missouri senator and a republican had teamed up on a bill that looked like it was close to the finish line and would have made it illegal for actors to essentially mimic a candidate running in a federal election but that didn't pass in time and what authorities have to do is balance of course between first amendment protected speech and people who may be using deep fakes to break the law. let me give you an example. you can create a deep fake of me if you want as a parity on the internet and you have that right but you don't have the right to make one of me saying the election has been delayed in an effort to suppress the vote because that would be illegal voter suppression. authorities are looking out for that and looking out for usage of these deep fake that are

intentionally designed to deprive people of their democratic rights, but that will be hard to do. there is a lot of this stuff on the web. >> we saw criminal charges filed in you saw when this deep fake without of president biden before the new hampshire primary earlier this year. does audio have to have a call to action before officials can act on it? you are saying i could make a deep fake of you and does it have to have some malicious intent? when it comes to elections? >> that is a great example. in that instance the individual who created that deep fake wasn't only posing as joe biden but providing voters with false information about that election. there is some new wants. people are trying to raise money off of this. you see these scam super pacs popping up to raise money for

one candidate or the other that may be using deep fakes to further raising those funds and that would fall into the category of fraud and they are not actually those individuals and creating in effect by raising money. there are hooks here for authorities to knockback this behavior but the concern that officials have that i spoke to his they won't be able to keep up and we saw about that october surprise and something happening before the election where voters are told incorrect information about where and how to vote and i am also concerned about the november surprise which is after the election results are tallied that people may disseminate deep fakes to claim the election was stolen and images of people stuffing ballots and of corruption at polling places and that will be hard to disprove in the immediate wake of what is likely to be a contentious

vote. >> a scary scenario and let me ask you one more question which is a somewhat scary scenario as well. and the doomsday book and it's a set of documents kept in the white house detailing the secrets and powers a president could use in a time of massive catastrophe. did donald trump ever inquire about the doomsday book? are you worried that it could be even more dangerous if he got his hands on it in a second term? >> there is so many things i can say or so much i can say on this front because it is a closely guarded set of break glass in case of emergency procedures for a president. but dhs gave me clearance for my book last year to raise concerns in the most immediate concern is we were thin -- within days of the trump administration of one of his allies being forced into the job

of overseeing this book and those presidential powers that allegedly according to open source reports of our president to do things like cut off internet access or shutdown companies are do extraordinary things if the country is under threat. the worry of officials at the time at the national security council is he would've used those powers in the various ways to prevent the transfer of power to joe biden. he is very much aware of what those powers were and the fear is in the second term somebody willing to execute donald trump's political aims and misusing powers will obtain that book and obtain is authorities and propose they are used in ways to -- to further interests and there are number of people speaking out, people whose job it was to protect it are now concerned about a second term of donald trump. >> i thank you for sharing that

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