a big day for the vp. kamala harris marks her 60th birthday and sitting down with the reverend al sharpton for an exclusive wide-ranging interview that includes her response to the offensive language donald trump has used to describe her.

>> what you see in my opponent, a former president of the united states, really it demeans the office. >> i will get reaction from congresswoman presley and the attorney general of michigan. this isn't normal. from cursing about the vice president to rambling about a golfing legend's private parts, donald trump is not only growing more bizarre but more dangerous. i will discuss the implications with the formal federal prosecutor. i am jonathan capehart. this is the sunday show. 16 days to go until election day, and the candidates are making a marking

with a flurry of activity. right now donald trump is holding a town hall in lancaster, pennsylvania, coming a day after his off the rails speech at arnold palmer regional airport and among the rambling unhinged nonsense, he also unhinged his typical vulgarity when attacking the vice president. >> you have to take kamala harris that you have had enough, that you just can't take it anymore. we can't stand you because you are a vice president. >> he also stopped at a mcdonald's where he worked as a fry cook or without a hair not -- net and might add and said he wasn't paying for some of the meals and how is that not a campaign-finance violation. and we should up he falsely claimed once again that vice president parents -- harris

lied about working at mcdonald's is a college student. it is hilarious that harris is living large rent-free in trump's head that he felt necessary to put on this stunt. meanwhile, the vice president is closing out the final days of her campaign by doing what serious candidates do, getting out the vote. earlier today she attended services and delivered remarks at new birth missionary church in georgia outside of atlanta as part of a souls to the polls event and then vice president harris sat down for an exclusive interview with the reverend al sharpton of msnbc, where she responded to the despicable language trump used against her. >> so the american people deserve so much better and that is how i come at it. and to your point, the president of the united states must set a standard, not only

for our nation, but understanding the standard that we as a nation must set for the world. what you see in my opponent, a former president of the united states, really it demeans the office. i have said, and i am clear about this. donald trump should never stand behind the seal of the president of the united states. he hasn't earned the right. that is why he is going to lose. >> joining me now from erie, pennsylvania, is congresswoman presley. thank you for coming back to the sunday show. a two-part question. first, your response to that vulgarity we heard donald trump use against the vice president and your reaction to vice president harris and her response to that? >> jonathan, this is an old and

tired playbook from donald trump but just because it is familiar doesn't mean it is in the -- any less crude. he is more predictable improving how unfit he is to be president of the united states of america and its deflection because they don't have an agenda or vision except for revenge and retribution. while they double down, vice president harris is doubling down and so is this broad and diverse coalition and movement working hard to make sure we are successful in the next 16 days to elect kamala harris into malls. >> you are in erie pennsylvania and what you hear from voters on the ground there? >> i came from the commonwealth of massachusetts to the commonwealth of pennsylvania and all roads go through erie, pennsylvania and it's a critical bellwether and a lot of power here and they know the role they play in democracy and

electing presidents and i have been in a community of worship this morning and with college students, entrepreneurs, educators. we have been traversing erie. >> i would love to get your thoughts on what seems to be the media fascination with this idea that black voters and black men in particular are less enthusiastic about vice president harris than i guess folks think they should be. what you make of that? is that a real thing? do you see these same things not only in pennsylvania but throughout your campaigning for the vice president? >> that is not my experience or what i see and experience on the ground. i see energy, momentum, enthusiasm and people clear

about the stakes of the selection and the contrast couldn't be more stark. donald trump and jd vance want to take us back in control every aspect from her womb to the classroom to bedroom and they mean harm to every person who calls this country home and this includes black folks and black men. we are talking about freedoms that have been gutted and restoring those and expanding upon those and taking us into the future. what an opportunity economy that works for everybody including black americans and black men. the opportunity agenda rolled out for black men, to be clear, vice president harris is talking about those issues in one of the tenets of that opportunity agenda is a bill we worked on together when she was in the united states senate, the saving our street act, which in her opportunity and jennifer blackmon adds assets to capitol for 1 million businesses up to $20,000 in grants. that was legislation we worked on together in the senate and directly shaped and for the

voices of black men and true for the entire opportunity agenda that she has for black men. i see enthusiasm, excitement, momentum and a broad and diverse coalition with people in every walk of life and also people understand we are the underdog in this race is very tight. we have to dig deep and do what is necessary, we have to organize, we have to organize and vote as if our lives depend on it. they do. what i have seen on the ground is that people understand exactly that. >> massachusetts congresswoman, ayanna pressley, thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. joining me is dana nussle the attorney general of michigan. welcome to the sunday show. your reaction. let me ask you the same question i asked the congresswoman. your reaction to donald trump using a vulgarity to describe vice president harris in your reaction to the vice president's response to it? >> like many people, i am appalled and disgusted by the language that donald trump has

used honestly for a very long time now but obviously he gets worse and worse as time goes on. i do -- i say this not in a way i was trying to be sarcastic but i truly mean this. i am somebody who is prosecuted and defended thousands of criminal defendants. if this was my client, i would seriously consider a competency evaluation which is where we are at right now. the stuff he is saying, you know, is so insane on so many different levels. the fact that somebody is running for president of the united states of america would utilize such language, it isn't just disturbing but we should be appalled at every level. i think the vice president has handled this as best as she can. she has always remained above the fray.

she is acting like a president of the united states should truly act. >> let me get you on these and there are a lot of challenges to voting in michigan and i will put up with this tweet that elon musk put up yesterday where he said or claimed that michigan has more registered voters than eligible voters. is this true? and then jocelyn benson reacted to it by saying let's be clear that yellen -- elon musk is spreading dangerous information and i saw you retweeted that from your official x post. why is it important to point out the disinformation coming at voters in michigan and from the likes of elon musk? >> it is it a surprise. everybody knew this was coming when elon musk purchased twitter in the first place and ultimately we knew he would be using it to sow the seeds of distrust and generate misinformation and very

dangerous disinformation not only across michigan but all across america and the globe. what we know is that isn't correct. he is using every trick in the book to make sure that people don't trust the results of the election because it is likely of course that kamala harris is going to win. that is there playbook. that is what they have. i think it is for us in elected office in my job to defend the secretary of state, secretary benson and lawsuits against her and defend the will of the voters. we are prepared to do that. i will say the lawsuits that i see, being filed particularly by the rnc, they are not particularly strong and they don't have a lot of merit. >> on that point, because i was going to ask you about a lawsuit filed by the rnc in the michigan republican party challenging military ballots and really quickly, tell us what that is and why you urge

dismissal? >> can you be more specific? there are so many lawsuits that the rnc has filed, but it has to do with the family members of military voters overseas. the law has been for years and years and years that if you are a family member of an individual in a military overseas, that you have the opportunity to basically attach ourselves to that military member who is registered to vote in michigan and also vote in michigan. this could have been challenged and first of all there is nothing wrong with that and they are only voting in one place and only registered to vote in one place. that isn't illegal but if they wanted to challenge that, they had years and years to challenge it, but they waited until of course the very last minute, so they could try to disenfranchise the votes of as many people as possible because that is there playbook and it

is disenfranchised voters. if you cannot win over voters and encourage them to vote for your candidate, then at least you can stop them from voting altogether and if you can't do that because he can't win in the courts, at least, again, try to undermine people's faith and the integrity of elections because that is all they got. >> dana nussle, thank you so much for coming to the sunday show. >> thank you for having me. coming up, i will give my thoughts a conversation all newsrooms should have about covering donald trump as if he were normal. he is not. later, billy porter joins me to talk about campaigning for vice president harris and also has a message for undecided voters. >> undecided about what? undecided about what? that's all i'm going to say. to.

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covering donald trump and his campaign is like covering a room filled with a hot air balloon. once you covered it the various ways you fill the room the public and medium are like he is still filling the room. big deal. folks lose sight of the fact that that ever-expanding balloon isn't normal. >> would anybody else like to faint? those two people that went down that -- are patriots and we love them and because of them week came up with some good music so play ymca. let's go ahead. nice and loud. >> this is not normal. >> arnold palmer was all man and i say that in all do respect to women, and i love women. at this guy, this guy, this is a guy that was all man. this

man was strong and tough. i refuse to say it, but when he took showers with the other pros, they came out of there and said, oh, my god, that's unbelievable. >> this isn't normal. >> i want to talk about ivf. >> you don't hear that everyday. >> i am the father of ivf. i want to hear this. >> this is not normal. >> don't touch them. let them rob your store. all of these stores go out of business and they don't play -- pay rent. it is a chain of events. it is so bad. one rough hour, and i mean real rough, the word will get out, and it will and immediately. >> this isn't normal. >> i think the bigger problem are the people from within.

we have some very bad people. we have some sick people, radical left lunatics. i think it should be very easily handled if necessary by national guard or if really necessary by the military. >> this isn't normal. >> they came because of the election and they thought the election was a rigged election and that is why they came. nothing done wrong and strong action was taken and ashli babbit was killed and there were no guns down there. we didn't have guns, but it was a day of love. >> we have been so inundated by trump's water cannon of crazy, that some of us don't take what he says seriously and he is considered more of a stand up comedian riffing his greatest hateful hits that a barely veiled tyrant been some attribution and what makes this troubling is that half the country supports him in spite of it. and maybe because of it and as the new york times sobering we

writes about the trump supporters he talked to in regal fill, pennsylvania, a town that trump won by two votes in 2020, what if what his supporters really want and don't express is the trump five or all of the name-calling, bullying and the hyper- masculine authoritarian rhetoric? mr. trump is peddling that poison like a little crack. half the nation is hooked and the other half is repulsed. if it works, and he is elected, it promises four more years of national political warfare. folks, this isn't normal. it is dangerous. i do pray that a majority of the american people agree with me. joining me now is the president and ceo of media matters in the former federal prosecutor and senior writer for politico

magazine. thank you both very much and thank you for coming back to the sunday show. i did repeat over and over again that this isn't normal to try to break through to folks that all of those things in isolation have us do this taking a back or have us scratching our heads, but it isn't normal. it seems to me particularly in our profession and i will come to you first on this but it seems to me are colleagues in the press aren't five alarm firing on all of these things for whatever reason. >> i think that is right. there are a few layers. if they haven't looked at it from a 30,000 foot view and i have watched many trump rallies. if you are really covering this, forget the substance, there is actually a decline in his capability of being able to weave together coherent thoughts. he himself has owned that and said it's part of a rhetorical

tactic. he has inoculated himself against the potential of that criticism. the media has missed that in the best evidence of that is if you go back to february and look at the top five papers and news coverage of joe biden's acuity and age and compare that to the last 30 day period of donald trump, there is five times more coverage and discussion of joe biden's age and lack of mental acuity and decline then there is right now about donald trump's. that is the clearest measurement and you said in your introduction that there is this water cannon that is inundating people and it's just another part of this strain and they can't tie this together and that is the biggest threat not these one-offs that alone should be significant but when you add them up, that is what the media does is contextualize it and explain why it matters. you know it is dangerous and that is why matters and project 2025 is ready to operationalize

which what is ostensibly crazy with a lack of control. >> the media has done this job and talking about it with a broad brush can be challenging. particularly the conservative media has been very bad but a lot of the frustration that people have had with coverage has been on some of the issues like the coverage of the rallies and people feel reasonably it has not been good and a lot of anger directed. we have a lot of anger directed at the times and it is disproportionate with that attention to those things. for the most part, i think the comments last night were on television all morning about arnold palmer and have been on all day. i think there has been a shift in the coverage and i do agree

that there has been a marked visible decline on the part of donald trump and a cognitive decline and i am not a professional but to my eyes a cognitive decline for sure because his ability to maintain a line of argument or thought or lucid thinking has gone precipitously down. >> and yet he is pretty consistent on a few things like this and what he said on fox news today, i believe. watch this. >> you are going to put somebody in jail on a scam that you knew was made up and that is an enemy from within and that is a threat to democracy. these are bad people. we have a lot of bad people. but when you look at shifty adam schiff and some of the others, they are to me the enemy from within and i think nancy pelosi is an enemy from within. >> i mean, after everything you said a moment ago, but if there is a consistent through line, it is his sort of bent toward retribution and revenge and this enemy from within is just

a crystallization of what he has been saying since he left the white house in 2020 and talking about elected members of congress, sitting members of congress, who, if he gets back in the white house, he is going after them. and yet this should be like bid block headline screaming stories or even conversations because i don't want to put the onus on us in the media but the public doesn't seem to really get the import of what he just said there. >> yes. he is talked about that consistently since he left office. and since he began his campaign that he wants to come back to the presidency and potentially prosecute his political enemies and i have written extensively on that and so has the times. even before we get to the point at which that is problematic, i find it problematic because nancy pelosi's husband was also

attacked once. it is wildly irresponsible for him to use language like that, which he has to know could rile people up and put her and her family in danger again. >> i am glad you brought up paul pelosi. because, you know, i am aware of the republicans and where are they and where other responsible elected republicans stepping up into saying this is unacceptable and this is an who we are as a party and certainly not who we should be as leaders or that as well. more after the break. stay with us. (man) mm, hey, h looks like my to-do list grew. "paint the bathroom, give baxter a bath, get life insurance," hm. i have a few minutes. i can do that now. oh, that fast?

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