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with just 16 days for election day, whitewashing the january 6 insurrection. >> there was a beauty to it and a love to it that i have never seen before. >> most people there didn't attack the capital as they came out of the love of the country. >> yes, there is the riot, but still a peaceful transfer of power in the country. >> the peaceful power, we did in 2020. >> we had a peaceful transfer of power in 2020. no, we did not, speaker johnson. it was the natural culmination of trump's undemocratic fly the 2020 election that it was stolen from him. the violent attack on the democracy should have been the end for donald trump. instead his enablers in congress like mike johnson saved him from an impeachment conviction for his actions. ever since they have made part of the campaign strategy. and trump repeatedly referred to the writers of hostages while vowing to pardon them if

they win. while some of the lawyers who helped push the big lie, like rudy giuliani and sydney powell and john eastman have all faced accountability for their action. one has managed to slip by. enter the lawyer, the prominent election conspiracy theorist, once the partner at the dc law firm, gaining notoriety when they were revealed to have advice on the infamous january phone call demanding they fine him 11,78 o votes. she later resigned from her firm and while they recommended that she would be charged alongside trump and others on the call for soliciting the election fraud, she was not indicted. she is not working, again, to sow distrust in the election. mitchell has since founded the election integrity network, the group of activists and conspiracy theorists that are already hard at work to cast

doubt on procedures for the risk of election fraud on oversee voters. now surprisingly they have been launched in crucial swing states like georgia, north carolina, pennsylvania. as you might assume, none of these lawsuits have offered solid proof of widespread voter fraud using overseas ballots. but as we know, a lack of solid evidence did not stop trump and his supporters back in 2020. they have not stopped them on running from election denialism in 2024. as the professor, told the intercept, most of the lawsuits, then were not designed to win on the merits, but to confuse the public. these cases, they're of the same piece. it seems like there is a political calculation here. that's what this attempt for the january 6 sequel is all about. sow doubt about the election results if it doesn't go their way. rile up their voters into this crazy phren city, then sit back

and watch the chaos unfold. when that culminates in violence like we saw on january 6, their move is to whitewash it, down play it, or step back and sadly call it patriotism. kicking us off this hour, the cofounder and ceo of the seneca project and the former gop communications director. and also with us, the senior associate and the former investigative council for the january 6 select committee. and you saw on the clip that trump was calling them a day of love, even today, insisting it is that were not all that bad. what world were they living in? >> reporter: they're living in that world of gaslighting, where this is what they do. they're a bunch of enablers. let's not forget that mike johnson was one of those behind

the whole election deniable, where he was one of them. and he is now the head of the rnc was a top election deny where they will have them in charge of the election integrity unit. and all of them, mitchell, all of them, they have all been part o this denial under the guides of election integrity where they have been a part of the whole ecosystem. and for them to sit there and turn it around and the projection, right, amman. all these things that we've seen and we've known not to be true.

to ransack our capital and the hall of our capital as they know this and in order to maintain that here where it is not. tell that to the police officers who lost their careers because of their injuries or the officers who lost their lives. or the hundreds of police officers that were lost that day and who were screaming for their life when they saw that video. it is so offensive to me that they did not use january 6, the guys that walk around with their pocket constitutions. they used to walk around telling everybody else they weren't american enough. these are the same people after january 6 when there could have been a crisis and that first

time they didn't have that transfer because they were too afraid where it is a front to everyone, including them, where the american people, they could vote down the lies and not believe that gaslighting and defeat them this november. >> and you are someone that would work with the committee as you would help expose so many of the various narratives around their role in the insurrection. them going from condemning the riot to down playing it as of no big deal and now completely rewriting it saying it is a day of love? >> i will take it a step further and say because of the conversations that i would have again and again and again and that they went off to storm the capitol, and that i would talk to them and i got their story with my team and a part of what

we saw, this is not that answer to a call by donald trump that was just the phenomenon, where they have long paths to extremism and they were littered with other instances of engaging with the extremism because of racist tropes against the black lives matter protesters over the summer and because of extreme conspiracy theories because of the democratic governors and because of home phobia, and anti-semitism. and that came across in our interviews with our depositions. and so what i'm concerned about it now, that she basically put on the work for the narratives in order to undermine them. you've seen it on the explosion and the antirhetoric in the final weeks. that you've also seen a real dangerous amplification of the antiimmigrant racist narratives. and what they did for the

debate stage with talking about springfield and the immigrants there that were cats and dogs. to me, they felt like they would stand back in 2020 when he was telling extremists winking at them saying to come into the public square, do my bidding, i'm not going to direct you further, but you know what to do to take it from here. what i'm concerned about it is having them continue to play out. basically by having allegations in counties, georgia, pennsylvania, and any swing state that will prove to be an invitation to bring them back together and focus on the violent energy on the local elections board and that county municipal building that can sustain that kind of attack that we saw that is not even close. >> and from their group to

suppress that vote by beginning to plant lawsuits, seeking last- minute changes to procedures based open this kind of risk of fraud from overseas there where there is nothing to back up the claims. let's be clear about that as she is repeating what they did to spread with that disinformation to sow distrust in the public, where it is like softening the ground a little bit, like you're preparing what is to come over the next month or so following the election. >> yeah, all near the integrity like i said before and that it is not true at all. they trying to sow chaos where they have had four years to perfect the mistakes they made in 2020. and i'm fearful of what will happen on election day also because of these efforts and that they also installed those in the position of powers in these states and whether they are on the election board and what they saw going on in

georgia and michigan last time around, where it is one member of that election board in michigan and that voted correctly, and they would get the death threats because of it. this time around, they made sure that they will put their people in these places to do this all under the guides of the integrity that we will need to pay a lot of attention to this to make sure they don't get away with this and to lose sleep over the part of it. we've seen it. we've seen what's happening because of their lies and enabling them, where we saw what happened to the fema workers, that we just saw them get arrested. you think this is not going to happen to the election workers too? because it is and that they are inciting them to do this. and that there is nothing patriotic about any of this and

that it is traitorous. and some think it is a righteous cause from god, so we're dealing with the forces here sitly trying to product our peaceful transfer of power on the cornerstone, which is voting. >> that you got at least 30 election deniers that are serving as trump's official electors in the battleground states this year. we talked about what is happening in georgia where the board of elections, who had a judge dismiss their procedures. they are still being written in the middle of the election. >> and that is the point and

that idea that they will continue to go up the works of the precise rules of the election and once they happen, they could continue to roadblock and put up the other barriers, so that these electors, perhaps, they could raise that and say they could be the ones that are voting instead or the state officials if they are favorable to trump and the few states where they are, they might be able to say hey, i don't really know if that election is final. all of this is meant to lay the ground work for that conflict later on down the road. i'm worried that this time around, there is a lot more awareness and within the broader trump orbit and that there are many steps of the process that they should be in their mind exploiting to make sure it is occurring in every

stage and that it is that violence, legitimize the activity that is concerning in a situation with those efforts to undermine the results in the other ways, which is precisely what we saw happen on january 6, and in dc, and concerning to think that they might be making more organized efforts to do that not just in dc on january 6, but in seven or eight states on november 10. >> we've got a lot more to say. let me squeeze in a quick break and come back to it because we will talk about spies at polling stations. you are not going to believe how some bright activists are recruiting.

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remember the mayhem that unfolded in detroit where they gathered outside, calling the centers, alleging false and debunked voter frauds amplified by the windows where they were chanting stop the count. and an exclusive analysis will take a closer look at that unrest and found dozens of trump supporters including people linked to the campaign played roles in the chaos more than previously known. in fact five campaign linked activists held signs outside the tcf center in 2020 encouraging people to chant stop the count, indicating that trump, himself, wanted them to do so. and now just 16 days out from the election, the republican parties seem geared up for the potentially similar scenario. they recruited some 200,000 people whom they called patriots, and obtained by nbc news and the election integrity says detroit is always going to

be our tier one. people who have pushed the fraud claims are recruiting poll workers in at least six swing states. and the message to recruits, you can be a spy in that camp on november 5. and they are back with me. the campaigns, political parties, advocacy groups, they have sought out the political volunteer poll watchers in our political system. and that is normal for them to b o serve the voting process, and it is a sign of strength. but how significant is it that now we're seeing these types of activists on the right, trying to recruit the poll workers as

spies and trojan horses? >> it is not rooted in the free and democratic principles, but intimidating your neighbor. this is in a lot of ways what will happen when you have a certain group that is telling you to spy and tell on them and that is what's happening here, where again, they're all under the guides of patriotism. then who would you have that is going to volunteer? i mean the intimidation is that point, you know, 80% are women. and they did a study where it showed that women have been harassed, like 38% of them experienced harassment during their duties.

40% have increased physical security. places like michigan are training people in misinformation and places like pennsylvania, where they have a task force that they will find ways on how to train people and that is not going to happen before with the other polls. and that it is a direct result, with the bs election denying, where it is trickling down into something that used to be a thing that you could go and vote and volunteer and trust your neighbor in doing that and that you need to pay attention to that and that he wants to install. >> i want to share that watch

report leading christian wright influencer who said who is getting paid to do it? all right, stand up, we will induct you. this man, he did similar recruiting in arizona, directing them to that organization with lines that will feature them on their website. what do you make of this language that activists are using to recruit people to those poll workers? >> i could not agree more with what they have said and furthering the author tear yum frame. they would play in a huge role in that organizing, and what i think the echoing of that language here and now is extremely concerning. and that really stuck out to me are multiple people and top

lawyer who would travel with them to dc, where they were at center and they also made their way there where we would depose many of these people, and it will go to that broader point that we have been talking about that this language, and the elections in a way that will emphasize that authoritarianism will imsite people who are associated with them generally to come out and become a part of the trump campaign and that coalition, where it is one thing that will stick with me that people would feel ashamed afterwards, where they knew they couldn't tell us. and that they were okay with telling us that they really wanted to go after the black lives matter because they

believe that is something that is acceptable to have and say. lowering the barrier to have them participate in that election directly, and that is just what we have been saying that will lay the ground work for the further interference and the violence as we would go through the certification process in all the way up to january 6. >> and this time we don't have nancy pelosi, remember, and it is mike johnson, where we have to be concerned about what will happen. >> and that is exactly what i was going to ask you about and where are the safety valves that we have right now? and that we have right now in that process? whether it is on the local level, county, state, all the

way up to the federal level. do we have them in place to ensure what they are trying to sow us could derail that system? >> well thankfully they have been investing in this possibility as well, and those that are gearing up for this. in the swing states like pennsylvania and michigan, even georgia, that you will have people there and that are not going to allow a lot of this to go through with wisconsin as well. and the chaos of all of this is something that we don't need in that process and that will undermine our institutions, where there are people that will be preparing for this and what we mentioned with that

training, and how it is executed will remain to be seen, as we have to remain vigilant. >> all right, thank you to the both of you. greatly appreciate your time this evening. and next up, more than 1,000 doctors will demand donald trump have more than just concepts of the health care plan.

members of my family actually got private health insurance at least for the first time, switched on for the first time under their leadership. >> they have been quiet since they boasted about it on the debate last month especially since the washington post later reported his mother did, in fact, get health care under trump through obamacare. who could forget what he said when asked for his health care policy at the debate? >> i have concepts of the plan that i'm not president right now.

but if we come up with something, i would only change it if we come up with something that is better and less expensive with concepts and options that we have to do that and you'll hear about it. >> the concept of the plan nearly a decade into this in an open letter where they are calling on trump to reveal that policy if they have one and what will be in that presidency to make a decision? and joining me now is the director to protect the health care, dr. rod davidson. it is kind of by sadr to be thinking about who is running for the better part of almost ten years now, nine years, and talking about that biggest concern that we would have on the issues we are dealing with in this country and that

concept of the plan two weeks out? >> and it is incredible that we have been running on the affordable care act that he has been running for and has been president. and still they can't tell us what they would do to make it better. that is really why those folks in that committee and fellow commissions got together. being able to have them follow what we have been trained to do is critical to us, where we want one simple answer, what will you do for our patients? >> and that is an important question for you and that it will make the case that they will deserve to know what is in stored for their health care for trump and that term as you have been mentioned, trying to overdo or override obamacare, chipping away. and despite what he has not been able to come up with

anything, and to your point, what do they stand to lose if they try to succeed? and in overturning obamacare? >> and i have been doing this for quite a while, where i was here working before the affordable care act was passed. where i remember them coming in and with chest pain and about a third of their heart function. but they did not have insurance, as they would work multiple jobs, where they could afford insurance under the affordable care act with 20 million people that expanded because of the affordable care act, the folks like that, where they could live healthier beyond that and where they

could not go and treat diabetes, where they had to choose between food and their medications where it will be a crisis and thousands of people will die if we go back there. >> it is undoubtedly that benefit for americans. and your perspective in this field. how do you explain why nay are so obsessed with repealing obama care, including the republicans like their mother. but why are they so intent on helping millions of americans? >> i think that we do not have enough for donald trump, and however, he seems to be that serious person where it is something they tried to tag them as a negative and such a positive in people's lives, where he has never lived the life of people that i see every

day in that community who truly have to make decisions, at least before the inflation reduction act that we would have that for $35 a month at $2,000 a year where he has never had to make those decisions, and where people bail them out in their entire lives. my patients are in the real world. and i don't know why they would do that where they could not understand it and they want to make anything that they have done. >> dr. robertson, it's a pleasure to have you on the show. >> thanks, ayman. next up, i'll speak to an american doctor who came back from gaza with a plea to president biden and vice president harris.

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this is 10-year-old clutching the hand of his 5- year-old injured sister in the hospital of gaza city, facing horrific reality that no child should. and they would hit their strike, killing their parents and three others where this is what they are facing lately. the impact on the war on the children, and the focus of the piece that is spearheaded by the next guest where 65 doctors will recount the horrors of what they saw. and that looked like seeing the young child who had been shot in that head or chest nearly every day. most of these children went on to die. and they join me now. thanks for coming back as you

volunteered back in march from march of april of this year. do you remain in contact with them on the ground there? and what are you hearing particularly in the north of gaza? >> i don't speak arabic, so it is hard for me to talk to people directly. but the news coming out of northern gaza is horrific. it seems like they have instituted what they are calling the generals plan and they basically decided to seal the north off where there is very little, if any, delivery there for weeks. and there are major, major killing events that are happening every day. >> i want to turn now to this op-ed that you spearheaded, which has received a lot of backlash where some readers have questioned that authenticity of your fellow medics accounts, even it in that ct scan, where you see them in the neck and chest,

you're an expert in their field, particularly with their work in conflict zones. what do you say to people who will question what you and your fellow colleagues saw and experienced firsthand and their motivations? >> i would let people know that the pictures are real, where i was just on the podcast where they would describe themselves as an honest fellow that they are not fake. if they want to come up with why the health care workers, you know, plenty of whom like me have no connection to that conflict. i'm not jewish or israeli or palestinian or arab or muslim or christian. no connection to it whatsoever, other than the fact that i'm an american. if they think that we went there to risk our own lives, you know, i lost 15 pounds in the two weeks that i was there,

i was miserable. pronounced more people dead there than i did as my work there in california. and if they think i went through all of that to make up nonsense and for that reason, that's on them. >> and you sent letters, urging the cease-fire and those arms embargo to israel. have you received any response from officials to your concerns and to your letters? >> no, unfortunately not. and i don't know if there is a time when the letters, the health care workers would sign them. they worked in gaza and they signed them. we called for a meeting with the biden administration where there is no response from anybody. i know that it has been seen by kamala harris. i don't know if it is seen by joe biden specifically.

certainly they have reached their handlers, where i can't think of that time when those positions, they have written to describe the eyewitness testimony of clear and obvious war crimes that are in that widespread fashion, running over more than a year and received no response from the sitting president of the united states coincidentally. that's pretty unusual. >> and there is some concern where we are still seeing the heartbreaking video on social media of children being killed in the most cruel and violent ways. you would talk about why you volunteered, as you have done it elsewhere. if they continue to go on in this way and they get away with it for civilians in the war zones around the world? >> yeah. this will get back to that question of what it is and it is something that i don't want to contradict you with that attack on gaza.

what is the point of that? that is why we would highlight that large scale of killing of children through shooting. it is very hard to argue that it is accidental over the course of the year. it is very unlikely. so it gets back to that question of what are they trying to do? they are doing what they are doing to destroy gaza. and that method of population control for the lack of a better term will be with other places, and that is scary. and that attack is so systematic in israel or in gaza, where they have released the names of those workers killed in gaza and that is almost every hospital that has been physically attacked and at some point that they have been evacuated.

and so excuse me, we have normalized the situation. where it is normal to kill nurses and to bomb hospitals from that air with the tanks and drones, anything you like. and that is pretty terrifying. >> and from your expert opinion, was it intentional? >> what? >> the attacks against the civilians in the health care workers in gaza? >> yeah, i'm not a war crimes investigator. i cannot say this specific incident or that was a war crime. but overall, the entire strip has been destroyed. and the 85% of the water sanitation has been destroyed. every university has been destroyed afterwards. so i mean you tell me if it is deliberate, i don't know. >> and thank you so much for your work, thank you for

joining us, sharing the light on this darkness, i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. after another quick break, a fight for the republican stronghold of montana, who is leading that charge.

if you vote yes on this bill and yes on these amendments, i hope the next time there is an indication when you bow your heads in prayer, you see the blood on your hands. >> all right, that was montana

state representative zooey zephyr in april of 2023 when the legislator debated on a bill for medical care for trans minors. she became a national symbol. her colleagues responded by refusing to let her speak unless she apologized and eventually expelled her. despite the continued punishment for standing her ground, she remained a firm advocate for trans lives. a documentary seat 31 directed by kimberly reid captures zephyr's advocacy faced by the transgender community especially in conservative states like montana. joining me now is the subject of that film, state representative, zooey zephyr. state representative, it's great to have you back on this show. in this new york doc, you said at one point you speak on the floor of your state house and fight even when you know that a bill will be defeated, and you do it as a plead. can you explain more? >> yeah, we know, and we knew then when we spoke that the

impact these laws have. the harm they do to the trans community, yes, they will happen when they will go into effect. but they also happen when trans youth in states like montana will have to hear our humanity debate. we knew that then. but now we have even more data. the cdc released data recently, saying in the last year, one in four trans youth have attempted suicide. half of those attempts have needed medical treatment. we know why. the article published in nature human behavior recently showed that in states where anti-trans laws are passed, we've seen an increase in suicide attempts up to 72%. so that is why i pleaded to trans youth on the floor, stay alive. >> you know, of course, being a transgender legislator in montana is very difficult, deep right state. i'm curious to know all of this and everything you been through, have you been able to make any or some political allies? in what way do you strategize to combat these harmful bills

against the community that are causing the spike in suicides among trans youth? >> you know, one of the most painful truths about the fight for equality regardless of what group you're fighting for is that harm comes quick. the change often comes slow. and so for me personally, i have made in rows with several lawmakers around the country. but in montana where we had 68 out of 100 republican lawmakers, changing nine hearts, 12 hearts, sometimes it wasn't enough. so a lot of that work became could we have those conversations beforehand and before they ever got to the floor and hopefully stop some of those bills from coming forward and lessen the impact of these legislation as hopefully the right that will lose steams in bringing these forward in years to come? >> how do you want your story in seat 31 to contribute to the brighter conversations right now about trans rights and

representation in american politics? >> that is a great question. that's one of the things that the documentary will touch on. and even in the face of all of the hate that trans people have found joy and authenticity in ourselves. you know, you have the backdrop of these anti-trans bills. you also have me getting an engagement ring from my fiance, and finding a light and joy there. and i also want people to see and what we see in today's elections is what the right is willing to throw away to achieve these policy goals. whether that is expelling or censoring a legislator like me in montana. whether it is attacks on abortion and how they will target something like ivf even in their efforts to ban abortions in this country. and despite the policy difference, how far will the right go to achieve their

harmful aids? >> and the election is 16 days away. how harmful would they be for the transgender community, especially in montana and states with a similar political makeup. what is the threat that a second trump presidency will pose to the community? >> you know, we don't have to look farther than the trump campaigns and closing arguments here in the election where we have seen tens of millions of dollars in ads that are targeting our community. we have seen them make this case and the harm that they will do to the trans community. we would see them, the additional targets on our access to health care and our ability to exist in public life. but more broadly, we will see where their focus is in the last month of the campaign. the focus has been on excluding the health care to a small minority of the american population, where you would look at harris' closing arguments, they are about expanding health care.

allowing medicaid to provide coverage for in-home care for seniors. we've seen an impact for trans people as well, but we will see the vision of the republican party continue to target our community despite the needs of the american people. >> and do you think state representatives efforts that the fear mongering that people like trump are working on the americans, the fear, you know, we will constantly hear these lives about the trans community, sending kids to school, coming back a different gender, all the different kinds of rhetorics that we have seen come out against the vice president and offering operations to undocumented people in prison? and all this kind of rhetoric right now. do you think that fear and that rhetoric is causing severe danger in damage to this country? >> absolutely. and one, it will distract us from important issues that they are ignoring the fact we're

underpaying teachers in this country. and that we have also seen the way that have failed. in michigan, when the democrats took a trifecta. they said they made a mistake. they spent more money targeting trans people than we did across the dinner table issues. and in 2023, they made this their main platform as they lost 77% of their races. we've seen them go all in 2024. >> all right, the state representative, zooey zephyr. thank you so much. i greatly appreciate your insight as always. and thank you for making time for us at home. make sure to catch ayman back here on msnbc saturday and sunday at 7:00 p.m. eastern. follow us on x and instagram. until we meet again, i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. have a good night.