>> right now on "ana cabrera reports," the final 15. the 2024 race closing in on two weeks. vp harris hitting the swing states while trump spent the weekend slinging vulgarities and french fries. plus harris responding to trump's escalating personal attacks in an exclusive interview with msnbc's al sharpton. >> the president of the united states must set a standard not only for our nation, but understanding the standard that we as a nation must set for the

world. >> also ahead, america's highest ranking diplomat traveling to the middle east as israel unleashes new strikes against hezbollah in lebanon and later, history to be made in texas today. a death row inmate set to testify before lawmakers with his life hanging in the balance. ♪♪ ♪♪ good morning. it's 10:00 eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. with just 15 days left in the campaign and the states that could decide it are still a coin flip. a new washington post poll shows kamala harris ahead of donald trump by just one point in seven battlegrounds, 49-48, within the margin of error and every individual state is also a margin of error race. similar to tight margins in other polls that are clearly informing the campaign itineraries, today the vice president blitzes three blue

wall states and the former president heads to north carolina after he delivered a notably vulgar campaign message this weekend with an anecdote about golfing legend arnold palmer's genitalia and using profanity to describe vice president harris. >> this man was strong and tough, and i refuse to say it, but when he took showers with the other pros they came out of there and they said oh, my god. that's unbelievable. [ laughter ] >> tell kamala harris that you've had enough, that you just can't take it anymore. we can't stand you, you're a [ bleep ] vice president. >> now here's how the v.p. reacted in an exclusive interview with msnbc. >> the american people deserve so much better. it demeans the office, and i have said and i'm very clear about this. donald trump should never again

stand behind the seal of the president of the united states. he's not earned the right. >> nbc's yam eastern al sindhor and dasha burns are with the two campaigns, and republican strategist susan del percio and basel smikle. vp harris is hitting key battleground states with liz cheney. what can we expect to see? >> that's right. well, good morning here from chester county, pennsylvania. as you know, this is a battleground state and what we will see in about an hour and a half is vice president harris sitting down with liz cheney and we know as the former republican congresswoman who was essentially run out of office because she broke with donald trump on the issue of january 6th and his push to try to hold on to power when he, of course, had lost the 2020 election so we can really expect to hear these two women sit down in a moderated conversation and it will be an intimate setting different from the campaign rally and i was in wisconsin when the two came out there and

this will be them talking about the future of the country and the danger that they think donald trump, former president donald trump poses to democracy. there will be talk about putting country over party from liz cheney. she was very clear and has been very clear over the last few weeks here that she believes that while they might have policy differences and they might have different views on the way forward in terms of the details. overall they agreed that america should continue to be a democracy and they both agree that donald trump is a danger. now this is going to be the first in a series of moderated conversations today. she'll be here in pennsylvania and she'll go to michigan which is another critical battleground state and she'll end the day in wisconsin, and this is really an attempt by the vice president and liz cheney to come together to say, look, we are two women who don't agree on everything and we do agree on the fact that donald trump is not qualified to be president and that he would put americans and american democracy and the very constitution in jeopardy if he were to be elected again. >> dasha, trump has used

colorful language on the trail before, but this was bizarre even for him especially in closing argument territory. >> ana, not only closing argument territory, but serious battleground territory. pennsylvania is the key, potentially for winning this election. you talk to his campaign staff and initially they'll say, look, we have multiple paths and he talked with his staff and his allies and they are campaigning as if it's pennsylvania or bust. he spent the entire weekend in the keystone state and first in latrobe and the rally and the suburbs of philadelphia, lancaster and pittsburgh. this was how he kicked of a a rally in latrobe, pennsylvania. he spent the first 12 minutes of the rally talking about the late arnold palmer. he is from latrobe, pennsylvania, which is why the former president started talking about him, but that bizarre turn to talking about how people reacted to him in the shower and his anatomy, that is not the

talking points that his campaign want him to stick to. they want him to talk about the economy and immigration which he did eventually get to, but this was another twist at another trump rally that is unconventional, to say the least. >> unconventional to say the least, putting ittis inially. >> he also donned an apron as a fry cook for a mcdonald's in pennsylvania, tell us how that came together and what happened? >> not only is the former president a big fan of fast food and particularly the fast food chain mcdonald's, but he has been trying to push this unsupported claim that vice president harris never worked at mcdonald's which the harris campaign says that she did, that it was in the '80s in the summer when she was in college, but the former president wants to keep pushing this and he went there to troll vice president harris. we saw him at the fry cooking station. we saw him at the drive-through and this is a retail stop that the campaign is very proud of

and given it accomplishes the two things he wanted to do which was troll harris and show harris doing retail politics. >> dasha burns andia meesh al sindhor. >> not just the be on 16ity, but that he had that for an entire 12 minutes at the beginning of the rally. who is that for? >> himself. donald trump is only doing this as a riff. he entertains himself and bia nature he's also hoping he's entertaining the crowd. let's not forget, the rallies, and he doesn't look at a wave persuading voters or getting people excited for candidacy. he's playing for a crowd and that's what it comes down to -- >> he thinks he's entertaining them? >> think it connects the people in the crowd there, but that's about it because at the end of the day he does stuff like this also so we talk about it because

we're not talking about other serious issues that would discount him as a president. these people who support him will say this is the way trump is and people who don't support him will say he's vulgar and has no business back in the white house, but at the end of the day he's entertaining himself. >> although, you say he wants people to talk about him. i'm not so sure his campaign wants his people to be talking about this specifically. >> no. >> i wonder, basel, is he in some ways turning himself -- becoming his own worst enemy turning this into a referendum on himself. >> well, he's deteriorating, and i can't speak to the mental capacity of it, but whatever it is that he is supposed to be doing, whatever little discipline he had, that is gone and so to susan's point, he's really just entertaining the people who are standing right in front of him or right behind him. this isn't about persuasion, but the bulk of his campaign seems to be about suppressing kamala

harris' vote whether it's respect to latino voters or african-american voters broadly and it's a campaign of suppression and it's not a campaign of addition bringing on more voters and expanding his base. he doesn't really care that he's engaging in these kind of vulgarities because he feels that the people who will support him will vote for him anyway. we've seen the vice president play some clips of trump at her rallies. you think it's brilliant. is there any risk to doing that to just focusing on trump and potentially drowning out her vision? >> not really. i do think it's brilliant because that creates an in the moment side by side. listen to him, now listen to me. that's an incredibly powerful thing because what the polling is showing she has come into her own as a candidate separated from joe biden and drawing a contrast with donald trump and voters are responding to some of her policy conversations now as opposed to some of the things that donald trump is saying.

so that juxtaposition becomes really important for her to be able to cast her in the light of a can at untethered to the current administration. >> speaking is of policy, was there a moment at this mcdonald's stunt where trump was asked about the possibility of raise regular the minimum wage. watch how he dodged answering that question. >> well, i think this, i think these people work hard. they're great, and i just saw a process that's beautiful. it's a beautiful thing to see. these are great franchises and produce a lot of jobs and it's great and great people work in here, too. >> susan, trump has kind of dodged or failed to expand or get specific to economic policies and we saw at the economic club in chicago, as well. is that a potential turnoff for some republicans, do you think? >> let's put it this way, the republicans who don't really

want to vote for donald trump or aren't happy with the choice of vice president harris, i think these kind of answers cement their feelings about not voting for donald trump and the reason is because he can't be specific. the best he gets is i have the concept of a plan. that's all he can offer and these are serious times, and i agree with basel, showing the side by side whether it's at a rally of did the and himself or their economic plans and anything else, it shows we have to focus and we have 15 days left and who will you put in the white house? who is going to take our country forward, and not be a danger to the core of our democracy. >> just to say very quickly, donald trump trolls people, but the fact that he's trolling kamala harris on her past job experience is not unlike what he did with barack obama trolling him on whether or not he was born in the united states of america. so when he decides that he wants

to put up black folks in front of the camera to say these guys are with me, i want to make sure that folks remember or think about as they see this, that he does not care about you. >> nope. >> he cares about the stereotype of you because even your past work experience to him can be called into question and is not valid, and i just needed to say that because this is a pattern of his. >> you see him now though putting out fund-raising emails, tiktok videos of him wearing the mcdonald's apron, working that fry machine. does that potentially help him with working-class voters. no. i think the design is to help him with working-class voters that places like mcdonald's, starbucks and apple are trying to unionize, so there are real worker issues that need to be addressed that the democrats are addressing, he clearly is not addressing and it doesn't help that you have an elon musk out

there saying i'm just going to give away a million dollars who should be investigated and talking about giving out a million dollars. that does not address the key economic issues that voters are looking for. >> i agree 100%, except here's the thing. it is a picture and it is something that gets played out. people are not playing attention very closely to every single little thing so they see a picture of him at mcdonald's and go look at that, donald trump working at mcdonald's and that may be all they know about his economic plans. >> susan, we also know liz cheney and kamala harris will be campaigning together today, what are you watching for there. >> i'm watching for the message that they send out together and it goes way beyond politics. it is about the future of our country. they're obviously an interesting mix, and i don't think it's as much to show that liz cheney is a republican and is backing harris because trump is so dangerous. i think it sends a better

message that that. i think it sends it is message that liz cheney is saying that vice president harris will govern for all of us and that's a message you start taking home. >> all right. susan del percio, basel smikle, thank you so much. when we are back in 90 seconds, democracy. could cracks in turnout bring down democrats' blue wall. plus can you trust the polls? steve kornacki investigates what's different about this historic election. then later, a helicopter carrying four people crashes into a radio tower in houston, overnight. the investigation into what happened. and overseas, israel expanding its offensive in lebanon as secretary blinken heads back to the middle east. we're in the region. we're in the region.

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welcome back. this morning voters in eight more states can start casting their ballots. early voting is now under way in nearly of state with nearly 14 million ballots already cast. michigan had a big kickoff for early voting this weekend. that critical battleground is getting lots of visits from the candidates. v.p. harris rallied in the motor city with help from music superstar lizzo this weekend and will be back in oakland county this afternoon. nbc's julia jesser is at an early voting site in detroit for

us. julia, this is the first presidential election that michigan can vote early in person. what are you seeing? >> that's right, ana. voters are voting early. we are at an early voting site here in detroit which voted over the weekend and has seen more than 300 voters cast their ballot early in the election. this was made possible by the 2022 midterms vote where michiganders voted to allow early voting for nine days mandated ahead of the election. some areas including detroit, which as you mentioned kicked it off on saturday as well as a couple of townships here in michigan are offering extra days. i spoke with detroit's elections director and said these extra days just allowed more flexibility and so we're chatting with folks here on the ground, and i spoke with fay who is a longtime voter, but a first-time early voter. she's quite excited.

>> tell me why you decided to vote today instead of election day? >> well, i wanted to get it over with. i'm all excited about this race. >> what was the process like? it's the first time early voting has been available here. >> oh, i loved it. i loved it. they need to keep this. they do. very easy. go in there, sign up, go and vote. give them your ballot and then come on out. >> so early voting was a hit for faye, but it is also helping election officials in michigan to be able to get results out fast or election night. so between early voting and getting that started early on as well as an additional measure that's allowing pre-processing of absentee ballots that will help clerks pre-process those ballots before election day. with absentee ballots you have to open the envelopes and take out the secrecy sleeves and

identity match and match the ballots into a tabulation machine and it is quite a lengthy process that before this year couldn't start until election day which is how you had those delays in 2020 that election officials here in michigan are trying to avoid for faster results in 2024. ana? >> julia jester, thank you for bringing us that update from detroit. up next here on "ana cabrera reports", damage control as the u.s. investigates an apparent leak of top-secret documents about israel's plans to retaliate against iran. we're in the middle east where secretary of state blinken is pushing for a ceasefire. plus, a fiery crash in houston involving a helicopter carrying four slamming into a radio tower. ♪♪ ♪♪ original medicare. these extra coverage and benefits. with a humana

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deepening their operations across gaza and launching new strikes in lebanon overnight. nbc's hala gorani is joining us from tel aviv now. also with us former arab-israeli ney gosch yasht and fellow at then doutment of peace. hala, this is secretary blinken's second trip since the war began in gaza. are the expectation different this time because of sinwar's death? what is he hoping to accomplish? >> well, he's pushing for another ceasefire, but we heard from the israeli prime minister since the killing of yahya sinwar that he intends on ordering the military to continue the fight with, quote, full force. you mentioned, ana, this is the secretary of state's 11th trip to the region in more than a year. the united states has tried to push for a ceasefire or at the very least for an improvement in the humanitarian situation in

gaza by requesting of israel that it allow more humanitarian aid in, but so far this has fallen on deaf ears as far as the prime minister is concerneded and it's not just what's going on in gaza, of course, as you've been reporting it's what's happening in lebanon with the conflict between hezbollah and israel escalating that israel will strike targets in iran and this can happen any hour, i should say, any minute, any hour, and this is all something that we are anticipating and all of these envoys coming to the middle east from the united states. the expectations are low at this stage. back to you. >> hala, nbc news has learned the u.s. officials are investigating the apparent leak online of two top secret u.s. documents on possible israeli preparations for conducting an attack on iran. this was according to three u.s. officials. what can you tell us about it?

>> well, the u.s. officials who spoke to nbc also said that these documents appeared on the telegram. the question is who leaked them, the detailed preparations that the israeli military is reportedly taking in anticipation of those strikes against iran using, among other things spy drones to prepare for the attack on iran following iran's attack on israel on october 1st. this followed, of course, the assassination of iran's main proxy in lebanon and the leader of the group hezbollah nasrallah that took place in september. so, yes, these are very sensitive documents and they give us some sense of the preparation just as we, as i mentioned, with the response. >> thank you very much for bringing us the latest. aaron, what do you make of this leak and does it foretell

anything about the israeli response to iran? >> i have not seen the documents. people leak for any number of reasons based on my 27 years in government. they leak to feel important. they leak to make a point. they leak because they're angry. this seems to have the hallmark of the april 2023 leak by an international guardsman who shared highly classified documents for which he's going to prison for 16 years with discord. they really wanted to make an impact they'd share it with "the new york times." i suspect whoever did this probably did it to make a point. i don't think it will fundamentally alter israel's operational plans but it does

pose a considerable problem for the u.s. intelligence community and for the defense department. >> that's a good point. as i understand it, the leak shows preparations for an attack, but doesn't actually reveal the plan for a retaliatory attack. aaron, as the secretary heads to israel now we know this is supposed to be a visit focused on a post-war gaza plan, but is that overly optimistic. there's no fighting letting up in gaza, we're still waiting for this response to iran, as well. >> i cannot imagine a more fraught set of circumstances. the aekt is caught in the middle within two weeks of the most consequential elections in modern american history, and on the other, we are on the cusp of a major israeli struk against

iran and i suspect the drone attack on netanyahu's residence in qaisaria which he wasn't there at the time. the israelis may well up their targeting sets to include targets in the iranian capital. this is the worst time with respect to making progress. hamas has no leader. the prime minister of israel has no inteng, it seems to me, making any concessions that would free hostages or de-escalate the situation in gaza. so it's a heavy lift. the one thing the secretary could do and must do and should do is press hard on the israelis to facilitate humanitarian assistance into gaza. that's critically important, but i think this is a management exercise to the extent that's possible. it strikes me as inconceivable under these circumstances that you and i or normal humans would

regard as a breakthrough is going to take place. >> aaron david miller, as always, you are a wealth of knowledge in the region. thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me, ana. turning now to cuba where millions of people still don't have power days after an outage which was a problem even before a hurricane slammed into the island yesterday. on friday, cuba's entire electric grid collapsed putting 10 million people in darkness. technicians worked to repair it ahead of oscar's landfall, but the grid failed three more times over the weekend and that reached cuba as a category 1 storm with 80 mile per hour winds and it's a tropical storm still bringing heavy wind and rain. the cuban government expects power to be restored by tomorrow. in texas, a fiery helicopter crash late yesterday killing four people including a child. this video shows the aftermath of that crash as the helicopter went into a radio tower in

houston sparking a fire that spanned three blocks, a collision so loud firefighters heard it from their station a little less than a mile away. nbc's stephanie gosk has more. stephanie? >> officials are calling this a tragic loss of life adding that privately owned helicopter is used for tours. it's not clear what caused the accident, but both the faa and the ntsb will be on site to investigate the crash. this morning an investigation is under way in houston after a helicopter struck a radio tower sunday night. the fiery explosion caught on camera. four people onboard were killed including a child. >> all units respond to the helicopter crash, engle street and northenis. >> the noise of the impact was heard more than a mile away. they responded in minutes. >> it is a tragic loss of life. >> the fireball ignited a blaze on the ground that spanned three blocks. >> the crash happened in a residential area, barely missing

a gas tank nearby. >> we were very fortunate that it didn't topple in one direction or another and the fireball pretty much was isolated. >> authorities say the aircraft, a private tour helicopter, departed from ellington field airport, about 20 miles away and its final destination is unclear. >> they struck a cable that actually struck the tower. >> this morning authorities urging residents to report any pieces of the wreckage to assist with their investigations. if you do see components of the aircraft and what want, make shoe you don't touch it. call the 9. authorities are working to notify all of the families impacted. >> thank you, stephanie gosk. >> up next on "ana cabrera reports," can you trust the polls? steve kornacki explains the breakdown and how pollsters are trying to adapt for this

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in an election that could be anyone's ball game both campaigns are eyeing the incredibly slim group of voters who remained undecided.

"the new york times" speaking with senior advisers with both campaigns on who they think is still up for grabs reporting the group that is younger with a disproportionate share of black and latino voters with the harris campaign also including some white college-educated voters, particularly women who more traditionally vote gop, but are repelled by trump. joining us now msnbc political analyst maria hinojosa, pulitzer prize-winning journalist and founder of futur ahmedia. >> both groups described as younger, black or latino and more, quote, unplugged from political news. what's your reaction, your thought about this being the group of undecideds. >> you know what i've heard while i've been out on the trail as it were young people saying i don't feel like i should vote because i don't feel informed enough, and i'm, like, but you

have issues that you care about, right? yes, but i'm not sure that i'm informed enough and i'm, like -- >> what are they doing to get informed and they're, just, like, i don't want to know anything because everything feels so confusing and overwhelming, but what i try to tell them is trust your gut. you know right from wrong, but don't feel like you shouldn't go to the polls because you yourself feel that you're not educated enough. spend some time getting educated and you must vote for sure. ? it is so tricky because of all of the different information satisfies and these voters have to figure out which information to trust and jeff, the harris campaign has been eyeing white voters who aren't happy with that trump. to that point, here is lindsey graham's message to republicans. >> to every republican supporting her, what the hell are you doing? what are you doinging?

you're trying to convince me that donald trump's rhetoric is the danger to this country? the danger to this country is the policies of biden and harris, her fingerprints are all over this disaster -- and i can't take four more years of this crap. >> so, jeff, draw the comparison for us between the harris campaign's overture of these voters which graham's message to get them to fall in line. >> well, fall in line indeed. i think both parties would like their bases to fall in line and the fear this you're seeing come out of senator graham's mouth there is either fear or consternation is that perhaps the harris folks are picking up some of those voters on the republican side that they need and that would potentially be a concern. the general race right now is so tight that both the trump campaign and the harris campaign are trying not only to get their bases out, but to pick up the voters that you were just

talking about and the other side doesn't want to lose theirs in both cases. so it's a mad dash, and it's a real battle for the voters who are still planning on going to the polls who are undecided and for those that aren't sure if they'll go at all. >> i want to circle back to the idea of the multiple sources of information coming at voters right now. the times has been digging into the campaign strategy to reach these undecideds and particularly into those who aren't plugged into news media to figure out which moments that help change minds and one example during harris' appearances on "the view" and with mr. stern, howard stern, in which she announced a plan to extend medical coverage for at-home care for seniors. of the more than 100 clips during her media blitz that were tested for effectiveness, that proposal ranked at the top, a campaign official said.

why that particular issue, do you think, and is this reaching out to undecideds using targeted policy effective? >> so i've recently actually been doing some reporting about mis and disinformation aimed at specifically latino and latina voters and a lot of this is coming through youtube. so i think that it's smart to go beyond what might be perceived as the normal political avenues to communicate with folks. the question, ana and we're thinking this, who is still undecided? what is the issue that makes you undecide side what i'm interested in because it is so stark in terms of what we face. we know what donald trump did in his four years. we've had the four years -- i found it fascinating that he just said that the past four years have been, his words, crap. >> lindsey graham said that the last four years have been crap, but this is what the republicans have been doing. hammering down on their

platforms how the economy over past four years has been a disaster and it was great during trump and again, when i'm out on the street this is something that is connected to them and they're getting message, so kamala harris has tried every which way, so i think it makes sense for us her to turn to "the view." i wish she was speaking to me. ? she's not speaking to you? >> we asked for an interview and it's for us who are connected to latino voters, this is - i'm kind of sounding the alarm bell, ana. do not clinch latinos in a big way this could not go her way for sure. >> maria said how trump and his team will hammer home a message and a new nbc news poll is identifying issues that are

repelling voters and part of the message is what is from donald trump itself. a majority of the survey, 52% said they're more likely to have the presidential election, making it the least popular tested position. so when the majority of voters say they are less likely to vote for a candidate who denies the results from the last election, should that spell trouble for the trump team? >> well, i think what it absolutely spells is that you'll hear it as part of vice president harris' closing argument and you're hearing it more now and it's interesting, one of the subtleships that she had as a rhetoric compared to then-candidate biden and she didn't lean super heavily into the democracy speech. she used the language of freedom instead of threats to a democracy and she is increasing that language more recently especially with her arc peerances with lawmakers and former republican lawmakers such like liz cheney and adam kin

zinger sos that it's effective. from her in the last couple of weeks it's something that works well when, some democrats went out and said this was a mistake and it turn out to be not a mistake in so far that the exit polling shows that it's resonating with voters. it's resonating now and it will resonate in the next few weeks. to answer your question, yeah, it should be a concern for the trump campaign, but both sides have concerns and this is one that the harris team is going to explain. >> just 15 days to go. jeff mason and maria hinojosa, thank you guys. it's good to have you with us. >> we talked about a handful of new polls in the political coverage, but ever since trump's surprise win it's common to hear people on both sides of the aisle who are skeptical or outright distrustful of major polls, even though polling

providers have made serious tweaks since then to ensure better accuracy. nbc's steve kornacki went to quinnipiac university for an inside look at the polling challenges and changes. >> hello, my name is irwin. >> hello, my name is dawn. >> hello, my name is annette and i'm calling from the quinnipiac university poll. >> this is the second hardest part. >> sorry that we missed you. >> we'll try to reach you another time. >> getting voters to pick up the phone. >> i've had days that i dialled and dialled and dialed and got no surveys and that feeds into the hardest part of polling. >> we are conducting an independent --? after a surprise donald trump win in 2016. >> the polling missed the 2016 election outcome. in a surprisingly close joe biden win in 2020. >> a lot of folks are waking up

and saying why were these seeming to be so off? >> they do manually dial. >> quinnipiac poll university and others like them will trek twek it, it's because miss the dow voter and they were in our poll, but they dna tell us how we would vote. >> this time around we're better prepared. >> they're doing everything they can to reach those. >> hello? >> who are hard to reach. >> our motto is we try hard to reach the hard to reach people so we keep dialing. >> their new methodology, showing results. >> we tested that in 2022. we had one of our most accurate elections ever. >> experts point to a variety of reasons for past errors.

trump -- who will avoid surveys and who will always out. as a polster look liky think the did i will look like. how many first-time voters? >> it's a 50/50 whether it will be right. >> if those polls are off, the same way they were in 2016 and 2020, donald trump is in great shape, but these poll errors, underestimating democrats, this is what it being look like. >> how much attention are you paying to the election? >> everyone is asking are the polls going to get it right? >> i think so in terms of the high-quality polls. it's an estimate, it's a range. don't expect perfection. >> polling perfection. >> is it very likely? >> it's hard to reach.

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