admitted, they said they pled guilty. i said well if they pled guilty, they badly hurt the person, killed a person ultimately. and if they pled guilty, then they pled we are not guilty. >> the lawsuit includes a lawsuit of one of the exonerated five that they had with trump on debate night. yusef salaam confronting him over his statement in the spin room. and about having attacked him for the ad in 1989 calling for the death penalty for the children. where he wrote, quote, i want to hit these murderers and always will. i'm not looking to psychoanalyze her understand them. i'm looking to punish them. it's worth noting that the central park five were vacated in 2002. new york paid $41 million to settle the civil rights suit and meanwhile, a jury this year found trump liable for the sexual abuse and defamation of e. jean carroll. adjudicating the assault that

took place five years after the central park five case. now we wait to see how a jury of trump's peers address his lies. lies. okay. right now, we are repairing to look at live pictures out of brookfield, wisconsin where just moments from now, vice president kamala harris will sit down with the former republican congresswoman liz cheney for their third moderated conversation of the day. will definitely keep a close eye on that. we will talk about it. it's a big deal. it's been a big day. before the event kicks off, i want to pause on the significance of this or a second. it bears repeating. even four years ago, i could not have imagined, you could not have imagined liz cheney sitting on the stage with the

democratic nominee. this is in a third swing state, two weeks out from the election. another is a lot of anxiety out there. believe me. i see people on trains and elevators, everywhere. a lot of concern about every up and every down in the polls about turnout. these are the questions we are talking about, concern about everything. take today and for a moment. what today really speaks to is the unity of a broad coalition of people. people who have been brought together because of their deep concern about a second trump presidency and about the threat that he poses to our country. >> you have to choose in this race between someone who has been faithful to the constitution, who will be faithful, and donald trump. it's not just us predicting how we will act.

watching what he did on january 6th, i know how quickly democracy can unravel. and i know that as americans, we can become accustomed to thinking well, we don't have to worry about that here. i tell you again as someone who has seen firsthand how quickly it can happen. that is what's on the ballot. >> that threat that liz cheney is talking about, we've been reminded of that threat over and over and over again. largely by trump. in the last several days, the threat has really been crystallized. trump continues to talk about going after who he calls the enemy from within. he has been given many opportunities to walk it back, but he does not. he keeps repeating it because he really believes that people living in the very country

represents a bigger threat on the outside. it has become the closing message of his campaign. one of the people trump calls out as his enemy happens to be my first guest tonight, congressman adam schiff. >> i will say so, we have two enemies. we have the outside enemy and the enemy from within. the enemy from within in my opinion is more dangerous than china, russia, and all of these countries. but the thing that is tough to handle is lunatics on the side, adam schiff, it will be from within. they are marxist and communists and fascists. i use a guy like adam schiff because they made up the russia hoax. adam shifty chef. he is a crooked guy, and he is going to be a senator. can you believe it? >> is not an enemy.

>> well, he is an enemy. of course he is an enemy. we have a bigger problem, i noticed today he said the enemy from within. adam schiff, these are bad people. these are sick people, bad people. >> we do know that congressman schiff definitely lives rent- free in trump's had. but the language is also alarming. because it is so common these days, it's easy to convince yourself that has nothing to do with you and that his threats are only directed at political opponents, public figures. people like adam schiff or nancy pelosi, but they are not. sure, trump is calling out those people by name right now. there is a significance to that. when he talks about the enemy within, not talking about a handful of political opponents but a broad swath of people. he is talking about any woman who wants to have an abortion

or the doctors who might provide it. talking about immigrants, after launching the largest deportation operation in american history. and legal immigrants who have been naturalized, he would report to countries that really know. transgender americans, running on rolling back the rights. talking about people who used to work with him, who dared disagree with him. continue adding some at times deserve execution. journalists, elected officials, protesters, any rank-and-file voter he deems a threat to his political ambition. talking about so many americans and may very well be talking about you. i know when you hear the sound bites of trump telling high- profile democrats his enemy, it might be easy to think it won't impact you. that has nothing to do with me. it's important to hear them within the full context of who he is and what he has said before. there's a real possibility that it does impact you or your sister or your son or your

neighbor and as unbelievable as it may sound, it is important to realize why trump is saying this over and over again. he is saying it because he is trying to condition the american people ahead of his possible second term to think about his enemies as people who are bad, who are less than, who deserve to have their rights threatened. if you say something enough, people eventually believe it and the people believe it, whatever happens to them, whatever he might do to punish them will be okay. the atlantic but it looked as if you dehumanize them as insects or animals, speak of squashing them or cleansing them as if they were pasts or bacteria, you can much more easily arrest them, deprive them of rights, exclude them or even kill them. if they are parasites, they are not human. if they are vermin, they do not get to enjoy freedom of speech or freedom is of any kind. if you squash them, you will not be held accountable. that is what trump is doing. that is his goal.

if you don't believe it, listen to this from his running mate in my j.d. vance. >> asking about the enemies within comment. i've read all of it and listened to all of it. it's hard to know what he really means about it. that's not my question. my question is why is it necessary? >> well, bill, first of all, donald trump is unfiltered. i think it's one of the reasons why the campaign has gone well. he is not doing a basement campaign strategy, not just running on slogans. when people ask him questions, he speaks from the heart. >> just speaking from the heart over and over again, so i guess once again as we often say, let's take him at his word. joining me now is congressman adam schiff, candidate for u.s. senate. it's great to see you. i wanted to start by asking you about today. i think it's important to step back and realize the significance of the vice

president democratic nominee sitting on the stage with liz cheney. you know them both well. what were you thinking when you are watching today? >> just how remarkable a spectacle it is to see the two of them together. not just liz cheney, but cheney as well, supporting a democrat for president. kamala harris for president. i am not surprised that liz cheney is stepping up this way. she has demonstrated over the last several years that she has a real spine, carrot or that she is willing to live her principles, her oath of office. what has been so tragic about the last several years is just how rare the liz cheney and adam can figure types turned out to be. i would have thought more in the republican party would have stood up and spoke out. many are starting to now and liz cheney has been leading the way.

>> good point, congressman. it's a good threat because she has not avoided threats or criticism. she lost her political seat because of this. at the same time, while she is dealing with all of that, you have been called out by trump so many times. you are still out there publicly talking. my question to you is why can't people like john kelly, jim mattis, mitt romney and others speak out? is it fear? is it something else? and are you disappointed? >> i am disappointed that more are not speaking out. all of this world really. george w. bush and, you know, the hundreds of people who closed this administration. that can speak powerfully to the base. they have chosen to remain silent. they don't want to get sullied by donald trump. they don't want to take all of the kind of incoming pleas from the trump enablers. i can understand that our democracy is on the edge here. we have a candidate for

president talking about unleashing the military against his domestic opponents. this is not the time to be squeamish. people need to stand up and be counted. i hope more follow the example of liz cheney and cheney. i hope there are some people who can do that. >> i just played several clips of trump going after you by name. you live rent free in his head and i think that is fair. are you ever afraid for yourself or your family? how do you factor that in? >> i think you have to be concerned when you have someone running for president who is singling you out as an enemy to be dealt with by the military. because that kind of crazy talk reaches people who are unwell. but i think the candidate himself is unwell. he seems increasingly unhinged and detached from reality. in his conduct, in his campaign, the obscene references during his campaign, his dancing and that of giving interviews on the campaign stage. we are seeing a lot of very

erratic behavior which will be okay if use your crazy old grandpa but this is your candidate for president. more than that, to have an american president for candidate nominee talking and using the language of the kremlin dictator or south american the debtor or any other nader is unheard of in american politics and it poses a real threat to the health of our democracy. >> yeah. i want to ask you one of the specifics that you've already referenced. they talk about using the military against the enemy from within, which in my view is quite a broad swath of people. he would obviously not have the power to do it unless elected. but i wonder what you think about that possibility. you could likely be a new member of the senate. how are you and others preparing for this possibility? >> well, i am preparing for a harris presidency which i think is the most likely outcome, but of course, it's very close. should the worst happen, he would once again have access to the levers of power.

we will all have to do everything we can to defend our democracy and our institutions. during the four years that he had in office, he drummed out all the people of any independence or stature who might end up to him and replaced them with other sycophants. i think the point that you made at the top is so important. he may be singling out particular people or groups right now. she has moved on for the moment from smearing the haitian community to going after me, nancy pelosi, or others. tomorrow, there's no telling who it will be, what group it will be, whether he will encourage his enablers in state or local government to turn after their local political opponents, or people who are expressing themselves in criticism of the government, or has policies. so this is i think a danger to the whole country.

and just what harris has been pointing out, we need a president who will bring us together. not one who wants to cast anyone who disagrees with him as an enemy within. >> no question. we are obviously watching the start of the event. we will bring that to everyone and listen to that in just a moment. is everyone is tuning into this, we are 15 days out from the election. commenting on trump possibilities here, one of the things i love talking to you about. you have talked about the fact that the so-called guardrail that we may have had during his first term would not be there. i want to play with congress, there's something out there is not enough focus on. speaker mike johnson when pressed yesterday about trump rhetoric defended it. >> i've had colleagues in the house and say he must be eliminated, extinguished. >> literally talking about using the military against

democrats. >> no he's not. no he's not. he's talking about using the national guard and the military to keep the peace in our streets. >> i wanted to raise this because trump needs enablers within the white house and in congress in order to do what he wants to do. the january 6th committee and all your work raised this extensively. what should people understand listening to that about how far the party will let him go? >> what people should understand from mike johnson he wants to remain speaker, who feels that he needs trumps support to remain speaker, he will do anything, say anything, defend the indefensible, he will tell you what donald trump is saying is not what he is saying. he will sacrifice everything. a historian once empowered is not corrupt as much as it reveals. it is revealing johnson to be who he is. someone desperate to be in

power. it revealed liz cheney to be a person of great courage and conviction. it revealed a j.d. vance and the people who once described trump as a potential hepler opioid are now desperate to be on the ticket. what it does tell us as we will need a democratic majority in the house and senate. we can tell how upset he is that i might be in the u.s. senate. he does not want people in the house or senate standing up to him. should the worst happen, we will stand up to him but i am confident the best is going to happen and vice president harris will be our next president. >> congressman shift, i always enjoyed talking to you. thank you for the time. next we will go to the event in wisconsin where there making the case about the threat donald trump poses to democracy. we will show you live in 60 seconds. seconds. ion at 12 weeks, 1 year,...

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we have been monitoring this event with kamala harris and liz cheney. it is being moderated by msnbc contributor and conservative commentator charlie psych. this is cheney and harris' third event of the day together. they have all been fascinating in swing states. let's listen in for a bit. >> he is increasingly unstable, but you don't have to take my word for it. listen to the people who know him best. the people who worked with him in the white house, in the oval office, in the situation room. his former chief of staff. two former secretaries of defense, his secretaries of defense. his former national security advisor and of course, his former vice president, and they have each talked about -- the chief of staff, that donald trump has contempt for the constitution of the united

dates. not only has that been said by a former chief of staff of the former president but we know he has openly talked about his intention to terminate the current diffusion of the united dates. i have taken the oath six times. as district attorney twice. elected, reelected as a attorney general in california twice. and now as vice president. and that's an oath that one must take seriously. it is a duty to defend, an honor to uphold the constitution of the united dates. he has said he would terminated anybody who wants to be president of the united dates should never again be a able to stand behind the seal of the president of the united dates having said that they would terminate the constitution of the united states. and again, most recently, the report is that the former chairman of the joint chief of staff, a decorated general said of donald trump that he is

fascist to the core. these are the people who know him best. people who worked with him. and so yes, we can talk about the moment on stage with the music and all that. but i think it's very important that we acknowledge, and i have said publicly, that donald trump is an unserious man. the consequences of him ever being president of the united states again are brutally serious. really serious. as vice president of the united states, i've met over 150 world leaders, presidents, prime ministers, chancellors. many of them multiple times. we are on a first name basis. most of them allies in connection with nato. i have met with them in connection to standing rightly with ukraine. the world is watching the

selection, and our allies are worried, because the reality is that when we as the united dates of america walk into these rooms around the world, we walk in chin up, shoulders back, with the earned and self appointed authority to talk about the importance of democracy and rule of law. and being a role model, we know as a role model, people watch what you do to see if it matches up to what you say. one of my very real fears, charlie, to be candid, is that i hope we, as american people, fully understand how important america is to the world. i hope we really, really understand that. because this is about what will happen to and with us as americans, but it will impact people around the world.

>> let me follow up on that. i was on a podcast recently with another pond and who is saying she was afraid america was sleepwalking into authoritarianism. the american voters were not sufficiently alarmed. that the vice president just said the former chairman and joint chiefs of staff said donald trump was the most dangerous threat facing the country. do americans in the last 15 days understand what has to happen over the next two weeks for them to really understand the danger? >> yeah. i think they do. one of the things i remind people is that although not every republican who is casting a vote for vice president harris will say publicly that they are, there is clearly a threat associated with that in summons ensues, but millions will. and they will do that for a range of reasons, but what you've mentioned is so important. when i think about the first

time i ever voted was for ronald reagan. i've known presidents well. obviously particularly vice presidents well. in addition to vice president harris. and i watched however presidents have operated. even when there have been presidents that we potentially disagreed with on issues, they respected the constitution. i mean, think about the 2000 election and how close that was. and what vice president gore did in his concession speech and in his assuring that we had a peaceful transfer of power. i would just urge people, again, you don't have to take my word for it, but look at what the people assist to donald trump are saying about him. look at the testimony from the

leaders of the justice department, his campaign, the most senior officials in the white house. look at their testimony in front of the select committee. they are the ones that told us everything that we know about his plan to overturn the last election, and how he watched the attack from his dining room. we have never faced a threat like this before. i think it is so important for people to realize that this republic only survives if we protect it, and that means putting partisan politics aside and standing up for the constitution, women's rights, and loving our country more. >> do you think we will be hearing more from some of those folks in the next 18 days, the general, the chief of staff, people who really understand exactly how unhinged donald trump is? >> i do. i also think that they have been very clear so far that

you've had hundreds of national security officials who served in republican administrations endorsed by presidents. all of the things that they are not endorsing. the fact that vice president vance was the most loyal person there was to donald trump, he will not endorse him because he knows that donald trump asked him to violate his oath of office haircut should also give you a lot of pause about j.d. vance. he is there because he will do what donald trump wants, and that makes him a particular danger to republicans. >> and i will add to that point, also understand what happened in the last few months when the supreme court essentially told the former president he will be immune from anything he does in office. whereas before, there was at least some threat of consequence and accountability.

that no longer exists. to your point, imagine donald trump, based on everything we know about him, and everything we see now and before. imagine having no guardrail. because all of those folks who worked with him before, those who held him back, who attempted to ensure that he would follow the law are no longer there. and we have the supreme court decision. some mistakes are very high. >> let's go to the audience for some questions. we have some undecided voters who have questions for you, madam vice president. let's go to lisa brockman from madison. good evening. >> hi, thanks for taking my question. i have a question on reproductive freedom. i come from a conservative christian pro-life family.

and i was a republican until donald trump's presidency. like most americans, i believe in a woman's right to choose. with the overturning of roe v wade, my 21-year-old daughter now has fewer rights than her mother or her grandmother. i no longer recognize the republican party. they have introduced bills for everything from restricting birth control to bring in homicide charges for abortion. it is such an extreme radical agenda by any standard. and it seems less about the unborn and more about controlling women. so my question is what are your thoughts on this extremism? and how can we restore those fundamental human rights that

have been taken away from the american women? >> thank you. so, to your point, when donald trump was president, he hand selected three members of the united states supreme court with the intention that they would undo the protections of roe and they did as he intended. now there are 24 states that have criminalized health care providers to your point. in texas, the law provides prison for life for a doctor, nurse, healthcare provider for doing what they believe is healthcare in the best interest of their patients. punishing women. actually just this week a few days ago in the state of georgia with the mother of a young woman who died because of georgia's abortion ban. she had to go to another state. a long and very tragic story that did not have to be.

and here is how i think about this issue. one does not have to abandon their faith. the government, these folks in the state capital, much less donald trump, should not be making this decision for her. if she chooses, she will talk with her priest, her pastor, her rabbi or a mom, but not the government. when it came down to the dobbs decision that this happened, i've had conversations with a number of people who were opposed to abortion. and remain opposed to it. but did not intend for the harm that we are seeing happen. and i think as this decision came down and we are seeing the harm -- >> you've been listening to kamala harris and liz cheney campaigning together in wisconsin. we will continue to watch. joining me tonight is molly,

specialist for vanity fair, on all and nbc news capitol hill correspondent allie vitelli. we have seen some semantics today talking about abortion and democracy. this keeps coming up. i want to start with you because you are the hardest working person on the campaign trail. you are out there. very hard-working. you cover nikki haley. and trump for months. one of the things that struck me today is clearly vice president harris and her team see there are undecided voters out there, they are still gettable in these types of events are a way to do that. you are still talking to their voters. what do they think? does this work? what works for them? >> recovered nikki haley for months and trump for years, back to the 2016 days, but i'm fine. but i do think that these kinds of events are exactly what

these voters have want to do here. whether or not it actually persuades them, i guess we will find out on election day. but i do think this is the message that was the most salient. when i was out there during the republican primary, i was a little surprised to hear from the number of voters who said i was a trump veteran '16 and 'auntie. i'm not anymore because of january 6th. i think the polling might have told us that those hearings were not as impactful as we thought they might be. i found that to be a little bit depressing. we all love the capitol. it's like a second home in a good way and a bad way. but the fact that so many voters say that was a turning point for them, an inflection point for them to step away from trump, these are the kinds of voters they are speaking directly to is the go to battleground states. the abortion issue, if it is not january 6th, it is abortion. government women who said to me i was a republican and i changed my voter registration

to independent the day after because i was embarrassed to be a republican. >> the way the question was asked about how it is not the lives of babies. i'm paraphrasing here. it's about controlling women. really interesting. okay, she touched on an interesting point there. democracy has mattered in past elections for sure. i want to ask the undecided voter question. how many undecided voters are there out there? where are they weaning? is this the kind of thing that works? it seems like they're trying to up till two undecided voters which is smart. >> also what we call the malleable voter, the still in the middle, gleaning one way or the other. there are republicans who are uncomfortable with that. >> because they've done it so long? >> because they've done it so

long but also, because they believe in sort of core conservative ideas that made them republican. i tell you there is no more better representative to traditional conservative values than cheney in america. that's a pretty good republican conservative brand. being out there on the trail of them, having these conversations leaning in on how she supports the vice president, leaning in on the democracy point of this, i think it does help some of the report -- reluctant republicans move this way. will it be 20 or 30% of them? no. in a state like pennsylvania and north carolina, wisconsin, nevada. four or 5%. you know that these elections will be won or lost by a percent or two. those nikki voters will be like, oh. but what cheney is doing might be okay. >> we should point out that nikki haley voters might be

compromised on this. she herself is an endorser of donald trump and came right back home. >> we will see. there is something that liz cheney said earlier today actually about abortion, which just stuck out to me. she has a powerful message on democracy. it's been very impactful. let's get to what she said earlier. >> we will tell you when it's ready. okay, we can play it. >> i think there are many of us around the country who have been pro-life, but who have watched what is going on in our state since the decision and have watched state legislatures put in place laws that are resulting in women not getting the care that they need to.

this is not an issue that we are seeing breakdown across party lines, but we are seeing people coming together to say that what has happened to women, women are facing situations where they cannot get the care that they need. in places like texas, for example, where the attorney general is talking about suing to get access to women's medical records. that is not sustainable for us as a country. and it has to change. >> i thought this was an incredibly powerful moment. it's a very bridge building message. as a proud defender of abortion rights, that's how i heard it. one thing it reminded me of his white women voters. won a voting block. 16 and 11 points. right now it is about tied it. including the nbc poll.

abortion-rights seems court to that. what do you think? even covering the issue for quite some time. >> abortion has been a huge motivator. i think what changed that is really important is this idea that it's really about women in sort of not getting care, and we see that, a lot of the reporting. like the louisiana report came out to show that you have the decision to treat women in the first trimester because they did not want to get blamed for a miscarriage. and texas overturned roe a year ago , so they have now almost 3 years worth of data and it shows you have increased fetal mortality, you have women who are walking coffins, delivering babies that are going to die. this is in the hundreds. this is because they cannot get

care. as someone who is pregnant twice and knows what a struggle it is, this is just not a way that women should have to live in this era. >> no question that they are both huge issues. unfortunately, we have to wrap it up. i will encourage everybody. allie did some great reporting from pennsylvania with some interesting voters. white women voters. it's an interesting issue. we will talk more about that. coming up, donald trump just wrapped up his speech at a qanon meets white nationalist rally event. i promise that's an accurate description. more after the break. the brea constipation, and sleepiness. qulipta®. the forget-you-get migraine medicine™. after last month's massive solar flare added a 25th hour to the day, businesses are wondering "what should we do with it?" i'm thinking company wide power nap. [ employees snoring ] anything can change the world of work.

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storm tonight while kamala harris and liz cheney were on stage talking about democracy and defending abortion-rights, donald trump was in concord, north carolina along with former housing secretary ben carson and his son, eric trump, to host an event called the 11th our faith leaders meeting. if you've never heard of that group, don't worry. they have a music video that explains it all. >> song ♪ ♪ >> quite a beat to that one.

sorry if it is stuck in your head. they are both the work of clay clark, far right broadcaster and entrepreneur who claims his greatest feat was teaming up with mike flynn to create the reawaken america roadshow, an openly fascist, christian nationalist revival show whose guests have included qanon influencers , pro trumpet profits and influencers who have praised hitler. other than that, nothing to see here. tons of completely crazy conspiracy theories. >> can i get a witness right there? blm, by the way, which is funded by soros and founded by a lesbian marxist who prays to satan. >> jesus does not look kindly on baby butchering mongrels. can i get a witness there?

>> atheist globalists. >> when we talk about the new world order, these are not conspiracy theories like the media will try to make us believe. >> jesus does not look kindly on a nation that sends drag queens into our public schools to teach our children gender dysphoria nonsense. >> the dietz date, the globalists and the ccp is what has attacked our country. >> they seem like nice folks to spend a sunday morning with. so that's the brand of religion that clark has brought to the trump campaign tonight. not to worry. he said tonight's event with the former president was supposed to be something different. >> eric and i were talking off- line and the conversation was we need to get together the non- lacka doodles. that was the phrase used. the serious faith leaders that are actually committed to saving this country and he said we need to get them together. my father needs to be able to address this community. >> the question of course, were

any of them actually willing to sign on with clark? sadly, it seems like only lacka doodles were available. as media matters noted, include pastors, self-proclaimed prophets who believe that donald trump is ordained by god to lead america. just another massive vector of misinformation and far right fanaticism posing as christianity. it's unclear whether michael flynn himself attended tonight, but these are his people. as a reminder, trump even called him during one of his roadshow appearances to promise he would bring the disgraced former general back into the administration to conductive layer that he pardoned, advocate for martial law and insurrection and the inspiration behind far right religious events full of cans jersey theories and pro trumpet prophecies, just like the one the former president attended

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on top of the many, many things the harris campaign has to worry about is the final 15 day stretch to election day. there is one more thing on their plate. the world's richest man and fanatic, elon musk, owner of the social media site formerly known as twitter, has spent months amplifying, misleading full selection claims that have racked up billions of views including the falsehood he revived last week that dominion voting systems is part of a plot to rig u.s. elections.

he also poured millions of his wealth into pro trumpet political action committees and is using his own pack for a particular scheme. last month, he announced he would randomly give $1 million a day to registered voters who signed a petition to the pack. if they provide proof they are registered to vote in a swing state and sign the petition, they could win from one of these daily lotteries i guess. if you're asking yourself how it's legal, i'm not a lawyer but chances are it probably is not. as pointed out, the law is clear here. only knowingly or willfully pays offers to vote or for voting shall be fined or imprisoned for up to five years or both. not a lawyer but seems pretty clear. partner at the allianz club,

there's a couple of things to ask you about. i have to ask you about elon musk first. am i wrong in thinking that the gimmick is not exact the legal? >> as you point out, there have been a lot of people who have commented on the federal criminal law. ultimately, it will be up to the department of justice and state authorities. those laws, whether it violates state lottery laws. at a minimum, this is exactly what the law is trying to prevent. it's trying to prevent payments for people registered to vote. payments for people to vote. national coffee chain was offering up a free cup of coffee for people who came with an i voted sticker. they are told you have to provide it to everyone, not just the people who voted read how quaint and retrospective teams compared to what we are now seeing from elon musk and donald trump. >> unless you know we are not, but do you think the doj or others are going to go after

him on this? >> of interest over the course of years now what the doj would or would not do. i do not speculate on that front. i think that this is obviously a tough one because you are close to the election. might be a little reluctant to move forward. on the other hand, there are reasons why these laws are on the books. it's incumbent if nothing else for the doj to look at it and maybe speak out and warn about this kind of behavior to the unsuspecting people who may be signing these petitions. >> you have been citing so many legal suits out there. the online world thinks you're going to save our democracy single-handedly. there was some big news that we saw today. i think this is good news. today judges in north carolina and michigan rejected two republican efforts to disqualify certain votes cast by american women living overseas. they are not the only states where that's going on.

what does this mean? it's obviously a good sign. what should we take away from it? >> it is good news. i think we need to distinguish between the fact that republicans can file lawsuits, with the fact that republicans can lose lawsuits. all they need is a lawyer willing to sign on the bottom line and the filing fee, but that's very different from what happens. this is something we've seen over the course of years now. it's not just rnc today and michigan, north carolina, not just that the republican party, their allies have lost these cases in georgia and nevada over the past few days and weeks. it is these efforts by them to try to upset democracy, to try to undermine free and fair elections. they may be winning rhetorically in some instances, but they are not winning at the bottom line when it comes to

how to rule. >> there have been efforts in states like alabama, my home state of virginia to purge voter rolls in these final 90 days before a general election. that seems concerning. is that your biggest concern? or is there another one that is keeping you up at night with all the things you are managing? >> my job is to be kept at night over everything. that's a good example of where the department of justice brought a lawsuit and won. by the way, in virginia, my home state, they are going to win there. the fact is that i am paid to worry about every aspect of voter suppression, election to nihilism and election subversion. the voters out there know you need to make sure you are registered, make sure your vote and if you do that, there will be lawyers, they will make sure your vote counts, but it does not mean that they will give up

easily. but we beat them in 2020 and we will beat them again this time. >> perfect way to end. more lawsuits does not mean they are winning. thank you so much for joining. we'll be right back. back. i don't have a problem with my memory." memory loss is, is not something that occurs overnight. i started noticing subtle lapses in memory. i want people to know that prevagen has worked for me. it's helped my memory. it's helped my cognitive qualities. give it a try. i want it to help you just like it has helped me. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription. when life spells heartburn...

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