tomorrow. of tomorrow. ♪♪ pictures out of brookfield, wisconsin. with just moments ofrom now vi president harris will sit down with cheney for their third moderated conversation of the day. we'll bring it to you. we want to talk about it. it's a big deal. it's been a big day. before that event kicks off. i just want to pause on the significance of this for a second. because i think, i could not have imagined, i'm betting you could not have imagined liz cheney sitting on the stage

with a democratic nominee. and this is their third event. i know there's a lot of anxiety out there. believe me i see people on train, in elevators, everywhere. a lot of concern about every up and every down in the polls about turn out. concern about everything. that's what happens two weeks out from the election. but just take today in for a moment. because what today really speaks to is the unity among a broad coalition of people. people who definitely do not agree on everything. but who have been brought together because they have been brought together about a deep concern about a second trump presidency and about the threat that he poses to our country. >> you have to choose in this race between someone who has been faithful to the constitution, who will be faithful whand donald trump who it's not just us predicting how he will act. we watched what he did after

the last election. we watched what he did on january 6th. we see how quickly democracy can unravel. as americans we become accustomed to thinking we don't have to worry about that here. but i tell you, again as someone who has seen firsthand how quickly it can happen. that that is what's on the ballot. >> reporter: so, that threat that liz chaney just talked about we've been reminded of that threat over and over again, mostly by trump. trump continues to talk about going after who he refers to as the enemy from within. he's been given plenty of times to walk it back. but he doesn't. he keeps repeating it. because he believes the people inside the country that he

wants to represent is bigger than anyone outside of it. one of the people trump keeps calling out as his enemy happens to be my first guest tonight. congressman schiff. >> i always say, we have two enemies we have the outside enemy then we have the enemy from within. and the enemy from within in my opinion is more dangerous than china, russia and all these countries. but the thing that's harder to handle are these lunatics that we have. adam schiff. to atthink he's going to be senator. >> they're communists and fascists. i use a guy like adam schiff because they made up the russia hoax. >> adam shifty schiff. he's a crooked guy. he's going to be a senator now. can you believe it. >> but again he's a political opponent of yours. he's an enemy. >> of course he's an enemy. he's an enemy. >> we have a bigger problem

from within and they hate it. i noticed today, he said the enemy from within. of course, adam schiff, these are m bad people. these are sick people. and bad people. >> reporter: we do know that congressman schiff is running free in trump's head. but nnthat language is also alarming. because it's so common these days from trump it's easy to get numb to it and it's easy to convince yourself that it's easy to not think it's you. it's easy into think that peopl like adam schiff or nancy pelosi. but they're not. i mean sure, trump is calling these people anout by name righ now so there's a significance about that. when he's talking about the enemy from within he's not talking about his opponents. he's talking about any woman who wants to get an abortion or the doctor who are going to

provide it. he's talking about legal immigrants who trump would sendu to countries they hardly ever know. running on ntrolling back their rights. he's talking about people who used to work for him who dare to disagree with him. some of whom he has insinuated at times deserve execution. he's talking about journalists and election officials and schools and peaceful protesters and any rank in file voter who he deems a threat to his political ambition. he's talking about so many americans and he may very well be talking about you. so ti know when you hear these sound bites, it might be easy to think it won't impact you. to think, that has nothing to do with me. but it's important to hear them within the full context of who he is. and what he has said before. because there's a very real possibility that it does impact you or your sister or your son or your neighbor. and as unbelievable as it may have sound it's important to realize ouwhy trump is saying this over and over again.

he's saying it because he is trying to condition the american people ahead of his possible second term to think about his enemies as people who were bad. who are less than. who deserve to have their rights threatened. if you see something enough people eventually believe it right. and if people believe it, whatever he does to punish them will be okay. if you connect your opponents with disease, poison blood, if you dehumanize them, if you speak of squashing them as if they were pest or bacteria then you can much more easily arrest them, deprive them of rights, exclude them. if they're parasites they're not human. if they're vermin they don't get to enjoy freedom of speech or freedoms of any kind and if you squash them, it is not terrible. just listen to this from his

running mate j.d. vance. >> he's asked about these enemies within comments. i've read all d of it. i've listened to all of it it's hard for me to really know what he means about it. that's not my question. my question is why is it necessary? >> well, bill. first of neall donald trump is unfiltered. this is one of the reasons why the campaign has gone well. he's not out doing a basement campaign strategy. he's not just running on slogans. when people ask him questions he speaks from the heart. >> he's sjust speaking from th heart. just speaking from the heart over and over again. so i guess, once again, as we often say. let's take him at his word. joining me now is adam schiff. he's now a candidate for u.s. senate. congressman it's great to see you. i just want to start by asking you about today. it's important to take a step back and a democratic nominee sitting on the stage with liz cheney. you know them both well. what were you thinking when you

were watching today? >> well, just how remarkable a spectacle it is to see them together. not just liz cheney but dick cheney supporting a democrat for president, harris for president. it's not surprising to see liz cheney stepping up this way. she has shown that she has real spine, that she has real character and is willing to live her oath of office. just how rare the liz cheney and kessinger have been. many are starting to now and liz cheney is leading the way. >> she has not avoided threat. she's not avoided criticism. she lost her political seat because of this. at the same time, well she is

dealing with all of that you've been called out by trump so many times, you're still out there publicly talking and so my question to you is, why can't people like john kelly, jim maddox, romney and others speak out. is it fear, is it something else and are you disappointed? >> i am disappointed that more are not speaking out. there's all of bush world really, george w. bush and the hundreds of people that were close to him and his administration that still could speak powerfully to the republican party and republican base. they've chosen anto remain silent. they don't want to get sullied by donald trump. they don't want to take the incoming sleaze from the trump enablers. while i can certainly understand that, our knock our democracy is on the edge. this is not e the time to be squeamish.

people need to stand up and be counted. and i hope more will follow the example of liz cheney and dick cheney. >> no question about it and there's some people that can do that. i just played a few clips of trump lagoing app you by name. you said you live rent free in his head. i think that's fair. do you fear for yourself and your family and how do you factor that in? >> i think you have to be concerned when you have somebody running for president who's singling e you out to be signaled by the military. that crazy talk reaches people who are unwell. look, i think the candidate himself is unwell. he seems increasingly unhinged, detached from reality in his conduct of his campaign and obscene references during his campaign and his dancing instead of giving interviews on the campaign stage. so we're seeing a lot of very erratic behavior. which would be okay if it was your crazy grandpa, your crazy old grandpa but this is a

candidate for president. more than that, to have an american candidate for president nominee talking, using the language of a kremlin dictator or south american dictator or any other dictator is unheard of in american politics. and poses mereal threat to the health of our democracy. >> yeah and i wanted to ask you one of the specifics he's already referenced. he's talking about using the military against the enemy from within. in my opinion it's quite a great swath of people. he wouldn't have that power to do unless he's elected. i wonder what you think about that possibility. you could likely be a new member of the senate. how are you and others preparing for that possibility? >> well, i'm rspreparing for a harris presidency which i think is the most likely outcome. but it's of course very close. and you know should the worse happen and he once again have access to leaders of power. we're all going to have to do everything we can to defend our

democracy and institutions because, during the four years he had urin office, he droned o all the people of any independence or stature who might stand up to them. he would start with the other sica fans. i think the point you made at the top pois a really important one. he may be singling groups of people. he's moved on from smearing the haitian community to go after me or nancy pelosi or others. but tomorrow there's no tellings who it will be. what group it will be. whether he will encourage his enablers in state government or local governments to turn after their local opponents or people expressing themselves in criticism of their government. or his policies. so this is era i think a danger to the whole country and just what harris has been pointing out. we need a president who will

bring us together not one that wants to cast anyone who disagrees with him as an enemy within. >> no question. i just told everybody. we're obviously watching the start of the event. we're going tto bring that to everyone. we're going to listen toto that in just a moment. but i wanted to ask you because i think everybody is tuning in to this to kind of the trump possibilities here. which is one of inthe reasons i love talking to you about it. one of the things you talked about is the fact that now the so called guardrails that trump had in the first term won't be there. and i m want to play this exchange with house speaker mike h johnson when he was pressed yesterday about trump rhetoric and then defended it. >> i mean, i've had colleagues in the house said he must be eliminated. ed he must be extinguishes. >> he's talking about using military against democrats. >> lino he's not. >> yes he is.

>> no he's not. he's talking about using the national guard boand military t keep ilthe peace on our streets >> trump needs enablers right. within the white house but also in congress in order to do what he wants to do in the january 6th committee and all of your work raised this extensively. what should people understand about just how far his party will let him go. >> for mike i johnson who wants to remain speaker. who feels he needs trump's support to remain speaker. he will tell you what donald trump is saying is not what he's saying. he will sacrifice everything. revealing mike iljohnson to be who he is. someone desperate to be in power. it revealed liz cheney to be a person of great courage and conviction. but it revealed t so many j.d.

vances, the people who once described trump as a potential hitler. a cultural opioid as being utterly craven and now desperate to be on this unfit ticket. what it tells us is we're going need a democratic majority and house and senate. part of the reason he goes after me. he is so upset that i might be in the u.s. senate. he doesn't want people in the senate or house standing up to him. but should the worse happen, we will stand up to him. but i'm confident the best is going to happen and vice president harris will be our next president. >> congressman adam schiff. always enjoy talking to you. thank you so much for taking the time. and coming up we're going to dip into liz cheney and kamala harris. we're going to show it to you live in 20 seconds. life has twists and curls but you define them and make

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liz cheney. it's being moderated by charlie sykes. this is cheney and harris third event of the day. thaáeu all been they've all been fascinating. they've all been incredible. >> take it from people who know him best. people who work with him in the oval office, in the situation room. two former secretaries of defense, his secretaries of defense. his former national security advisor and of course his former vice president. and they have each talked about the chief of staff that donald trump has contempt for the constitution of the united states. not only has that been said by a former chief of staff of the former president, but we know he has openly talked about his intention to terminate the

constitution of the united states. i have taken that oath six times. as district attorney twice, elected and reelected, as attorney general of the largest state of california, twice. as senator and now as vice president. and the congresswoman i've talked about that. s that is an oath one must take seriously. he has said he would terminate it. anyone who wants to be president of the united states should never again be able to stand behind the seal of the president of the united states having said they would terminate the constitution of the united states. and again, most recently the report is that the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, a decorated general said of donald trump, that he is fascist to the core.

these are the people who know him best. people who worked with him. and so yes, we can talk about that moment on stage, with the music on. but i think it's very important that we acknowledge and i have said publicly. donald trump is an unserious man. and the consequences of him ever being president of the united states are brutally serious. brutally serious. to the congresswoman's point, i have now as vice president of the united states met over 150 world leaders. presidents, prime minister, chancellors and kings. many of them multiple times beyond a first name basis. most of them allies. in connection with nato, standing rightly with ukraine. the world is watching this election. and our allies are worried. because the reality is that when we as the united states of

america walk in these rooms around the world, we walk in, chin up, shoulders back. with the earned and self- appointed authority to talk about the importance of democracy and rule of law. and being a role model. this is a room of role models, we know as a role model people watch what you do to see if it matches up to what you say. one of my very real fears, charlie, to be candid is i hope that we as the american people, fully understand how important america is to the world. i hope you really, really understand that. because this is about what will happen to and with us as americans but it will impact people around the world. >> let me follow up on that, congresswoman, because i was on

a podcast recently with another pundit who was saying that she was afraid that america was sleepwalking into autoritariasm. do americans in this last 15 days, do they understand that and what has to happen in the next two weeks for them to really understand the danger? >> i think that they think they do. one of the things i remind people is that, although not every republican who is casting a vote for harris will say publicly they are. there's clearly a threat associated with that in some instances. but millions will. and they will do that for a whole range of reasons but what you mentioned is so important. when i think about, the first time i ever voted was for

ronald reagan. i've known presidents well. particularly right now vice president well. in addition to vice president harris. and i watch how our presidents have operated and even when there have been presidents that we have potentially disagreed with on issues, they've respected the constitution. i mean think about the 2000 election and how close that was. and what vice president gore did in his concession speech and in ensuring that we have the peaceful transfer of power. i urge people, again, you don't have to take my word for it. but look at the people closest to donald trump are saying about him. look at the testimony of the leaders of his justice department. the leaders of his campaign. the most senior officials in

his white house. look at their testimony in front of the select committee. they're the ones that told us everything that we know about his plan to overturn the last election. about what he did watching the attack from his dining room. we've never faced a threat like this before and i think it's so important for people to realize this republic only survives if we protect it. and that means, putting partisan politics aside and standing up for the constitution and for what's right and loving our country more. >> do you think we'll be hearing more from some of those folks in the next 15 days. the generals, the chiefs of staff. the people who really understand exactly how unfit donald trump is? >> i do. i also think that you know, that they have been very clear so far. i mean you've had hundreds of national security officials who

served in republican administrations endorse the vice president. >> yeah. >> an and all of the things the fact that these people aren't endorsing. the fact that vice president pence was the most loyal person there was to donald trump. he won't endorse him because he knows trump asked him to violate his oath of office. that should give you a lot of pause about j.d. vance. j.d. vance is there because he will do what donald trump wants and that makes him a particular danger to the republic as well. >> i will add to that point, understand also what happened in the last few months when the supreme court essentially told the former president, he will be immune from anything he does in office. so where as before, there was at least some threat of consequence and accountability. that no longer exists.

and to the congresswoman's point, imagine donald trump based on everything we know about him, and everything we see now and before. imagine him with no guardrails. because all of those folks who worked with him before. those who held him back, who attempted to ensure that he would follow the law. are no longer there. and we have the supreme court decision. so the stakes are very high. >> let's go to the audience for some questions. we have some undecided voters. we have some questions for you ma'am vice president. let's go to lisa brockman from madison. lisa is a small business owner. >> hi. >> good evening. >> thank you for taking my question. i have a question on reproductive freedom. and i am come from a conservative, christian pro- life family. and i was a republican until

donald trump's presidency. like most americans, i believe in a woman's right to choose. and with the overturning of rowe v. wade my 21-year-old daughter has fewer rights than her mother and grandmother. i no longer recognize the republican party. they have introduced bills for everything from restricting birth control, to bringing homicide charges for abortion. it is such an extreme radical agenda by any standards. and it seems less about the unborn and more about controlling women. so, my question is, what are your thoughts on this extremism and how can we restore those fundamental human rights that have been taken away from the american women?

>> thank you. >> so to your point, when donald trump was president, he hand selected three members of the united states supreme court with the intention they would undo the protections of rowe and they did as he intended. and now there's at least 20 states in our country that have criminalized health care providers to your point. i mean in texas, the law provides prison for life for a doctor, health care nurse provider. for doing what they believe is health care and in the best interest of their patient. punishing women, i was actually just this week, just a few days ago in the state of georgia, with the mother of a young woman who died because of georgia's abortion ban and she had to go to another state and it's a long and very tragic story that did not have to be. and here is how i think about this issue. one does not have to abandon

their faith. or deeply held beliefs to agree that the government, these folks in a state capital much less donald trump should not be making this decision for her. if she chooses she will talk with her priest, pastor, rabbi or imam. i have had conversations with a number of people who oppose abortion. but did not intend for the harm that we are seeing to happen. and i think as this has, this decision came down and we are the harm. >> people are listening to vice president harris and liz cheney campaigning together. but joining me, strategist

belcher and nbc news capitol hill correspondent allie vatelli. that was great. and we've seen some schematics when they talk about democracy. abortion has come up a lot. i want to start with you because you're the hardest the áf person on the campaign trail. you covered nikki haley for months. also trump, for months. clearly vice president harris and her team see there are undecided voters out there. that they're still gettable and that these type of events are a way to do that. you're stale talking to haley voters. what do they think? >> i do think that these kinds of events are exactly what

haley voters wanted to get. this is the message that was the most salient. when i was out in south carolina during the republican primary i was almost surprised to hear from the number of voters who said i was a trump voter in 16, i was a trump voter in 20. i'm no longer a trump supporter because of january 6th. i found that to be a little depressing given the way we all love the capitol. to me it's a second home. in a good way and bad way. but the fact that so many of those voters said it was such a turning point for them. such an inflection vote for them to put them away from trump. these are the voters they're speaking directly to as they go to battleground states. the abortion if it's not january 6th it's abortion. because i have talked to women

who said they turned undecided. >> people say january 6th doesn't matter. democracy doesn't matter. although democracy has matters in past elections themselves. you're actually very dug into the numbers more than the rest of us. how many undecided voters are out there? where are they leaning? is this the kind of thing that works. it seems that harris is closing this campaign who want to appeal to undecided voters. >> there's also that malleable voter that is still within the middle. softly, one way or another. there are republicans who are uncomfortable with the idea of voting democrat. and from. >> because they've done it so long. >> because that i have done it so long. republican. they believe in core conservative ideas that made them republican.

and i have to tell you. there's no word better representative of tradition mall conservative values than a cheney in america. that's a pretty good conservative plan. and having those discussions with a cheney and a cheney leaning in on this sort of democracy point of this. i think it does help some of these reluctant republicans move this way. is it going to be 20, 30% of them. no. but in a state like pennsylvania and a state like new mexico. >> in a state like nevada. you know these races will be lost one percent or two. it does help with those nikki haley voters. if liz cheney is doing it. >> nikki haley herself is an endorser of donald trump and

came home to the party. >> the voters themselves is a gettable voters. was something that liz cheney said today about abortion rights. -t she has a really tough message on democracy. we can play it. let's play it. >> i think there are many of us around the country who have been pro-life. but who have watched what's going on in our states since the dobbs decision. and have watched state legislatures put in place laws that are resulting in women not getting the care they need. so i think this is not an issue that we're seeing break down across party lines. but i think we're seeing people

come together to say what has happened to women when women are facing situations where they can't get the care they need. where in places like texas for example, the attorney general is talking about suing, is suing to get women's medical words. >> i felt this was an incredibly powerful moment because it's a very bridge building message. as a defender of rights. that's how i heard it. one of the things it reminded me of is white women voters who have been a voting block that went for trump by nine points in 16 and 11 points four years ago. right now it's about tied. in most of the polls. abortion rights seems quarter will that. what do you think?

kwroáufr >> you've been writing about this for a long time. >> i feel this idea, it's really about women sort of phot getting kaeufr. and we see that in a lot of the reporting like that louisiana report showed up to show that there were obstryticians who were scared to treat women. texas overthrew rowe and they have now three years of data. you have increased fetal mortality. you have these women that are

walking coffins. they are carrying these embryos that are not going be born. and did some coverage in pennsylvania with interesting voters. white women voters. it's a huge issue. thank you so much. always love talking to you. coming up donald trump just wrapped up his speech at a qnon meets white nationalism. sounds like a party to me. i'm going to tell you all about it after this break. it after this break.

so tonight, while kamala harris and liz cheney were on stage talking about defending rights. trump was in south carolina with his son eric trump to host an event called the 11th hour faith lovers meeting. an if you've never heard about that group, don't worry, they have a song to tell you all about it. >> i pray that your blessings are with us this fight. a complete disregard. constitution. >> sorry if it stuck in your head from now on. but that video and tonight's appearance are both the work of

clay clark. an entrepreneur who's previous claim to fame is to openly fascist, revival show who has included q anon influence and figures who have praised hitler. other than that, nothing to see here. believe it all are tons and tons of completely crazy conspiracy theories. >> you say jesus doesn't look well on election. founded by soros. >> what's the opposite of a

christian nationalist. >> jesus doesn't look kindly on a nation that sends drag queens into our public schools that teaches our children dysmorphia. >> that's a kind of religion that clay clark. >> eric trump, he and i were talking offline and the conversation was, hey we need to get together the nonwackadoodles. serious faith leaders. the people that are actually committed to saving this country and he said clay we need to get them together. my father needs to be able to address this community. >> the question is of course, were there any nonwackadoodles

religious leaders were available. sadly for eric trump, only wackadoodles were available. they include people who believe that donald trump was sent to lead america. these are his people. it's a good reminder. trump even called flynn to promise he would bring the disgraced formal general back in a new administration. a convicted liar that he pardons and marshal law . just another day in the trump campaign. coming up, elon musk is

raffling off $1 million every day from now until the election. our big question is whether that's legal and what could happen if it's not. i will ask about that. we'll be right back.

on top of the many many things the harris campaign has to worry about. the world's richest man and maga fanatic elon musk. as the owner of the site

formerly known as twitter, musk has pushed misleading claims that have wracked up millions of views and the fact that he just said that the system is looking. other the weekend, musk announced he would ram lily gift 1 more tkhraft they can get a million dollars from one . i'm not a lawyer but chances are they know how to do it. shall be tpaoeuped or imprisoned for up to five years

or both. now again, u not a lawyer. tim is phret clear and musk opportunity seem to get. mark alias he's the partner at . i think that ultimately it's going to be to the state of democracy. at a minimum this is exactly the kind of behavior that you know the law is trying to prevent. it is trying to prevent payments for people to register to vote. people paáeuplts payments for

people to vote. a coffee company were getting ready to give a cup of coffee for those who walked in with an i voted sticker. >> there are reasons why these laws are in the books. i think it is incumbent if nothing else for d.o.y. to look at it, chatting on. suspecting people who might be signing these petitions by the way. >> you have been fighting so suits. the outside world thinks you're going to win the democracy and

it's not on your shoulders. today judges in north carolina rejected two republican efforts who are living over seas. this is not the only state that they are going on. what should we all take away from it. >> wraáe, so it is good news. look. i think we need to finish than. that's very different than what happens when courts actually rule on these cases. s in something wáe seen over if course of years now. so s if not just that the rnc lost today in michigan and north carolina in these cases. it is not just that the republican party and their allies have lost cases in

georgia and nevada over the past years and weeks. the pressure to try to up sell democracy. they would be winning rhetorically in some instances. but they're. >> we only have a minute left i wanted to talk to you. that seems concerning. that your biggest concern and effort that's kind of keeping you up night. >> my job is to be kept up at night other everything. the good news in al pa and by the way the department of justice also my home state. and they're going to be the

back you. nor if voters out there know you need to make sure you're registered. you need to make sure you vote. if you do that there'll be lawyers, there will be campaigns. they will make sure you vote will count. >> more lawsuits doesn't mean they're winning. mark alias thank you so much for joining me, we'll be right back. we'll be right back.

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