it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, the midwest focus. president barack obama starting the mini blue wall tour before dashing the detroit tonight. any minute now he is going to take the stage with vice presidential candidate tim walz in madison. and tonight, the first person to vote in wisconsin looking to rile up the supporters and fortify the foundation of the critical blue wall, and what the voters are telling us as they head to the polls.

and plus, former president trump headed back to north carolina and looking to lock down the state in november. our reporter spoke to voters there about why they are voting early this year, and we just learned about a big interview that donald trump plans to do on friday. and dodging the question. senator ted cruz is fighting to keep his seat, but he will not give a clear answer on the issue at the top of voters' minds, and what that might mean for the close race. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest story, and we start with barack obama in wisconsin trying to rally the kamala harris supporters as the polls are opening early on early voting on day one. kelly o'donnell is in madison, wisconsin, for us. you have a big crowd behind you. and how big is the former president going to factor into the campaign strategy in the closing weeks? >> well, former president barack obama is certainly one of the biggest stars within the party. he has a way of being able to

talk about donald trump and prosecute the democrats' case against him effectively according to the democrats and able to talk about kamala harris and tim walz and the type of leadership they would bring. we are in the arena, because barack obama can help to fill an arena, and as you pointed out, this is the first day of early voting. he is here to close the sale, and get the voters across the finish line and be visible in the media market, and we are here in the state capital and it is a college town, and a lot of attention of the local media across wisconsin as well as our friends and colleagues from the national outlets. the focus on wisconsin is because it is a part of the democrats' blue wall. they want to hold here. one of the things that the top democratic official in this area has said to me today is that dane county where madison is located has seen a real surge of growth. people have moved here.

there more population here. that has helped to swell voter rolls for democrats here, because this happens to be part of the state where democrats historically do well. there are of course, rural communities where donald trump will have strength, and so, they are trying to just make that connection at a critical time. we will also see the former president hitting other key battlegrounds like michigan and like georgia, and his wife, the former first lady michelle obama is going to be hitting the trail. and we will see big stars coming out. we saw lizzo and stevie wonder and we will see bruce springsteen over the weekend. back to you, chris. >> and donald trump is expected to be back in north carolina for a rally tonight, and that is the second trip to the state in two days. garrett haake is live with us in greensboro, and what are the voters telling us ahead of trump's visit, garrett? >> well, on that visit, trump

tries to portray confidence, but they did can a sell a speech in georgia to add back this rally in north carolina, which tellings me that they are not certain that they have put this state which is reliably republican back into their column for 2024. the voters that vi spoken to here in greenings borrow which is a swinging part of the swinging state are about what you would expect, narrowly or evenly divided on the candidates they support. take a listen. >> reporter: what issues are most important? >> the economy and the problem with illegal immigration and the high crime. >> everything is so expensive right now. >> reporter: that is the biggest decision? >> yes, yes. >> reporter: did you ever consider former president trump or know from the jump that harris was the person? >> no. no, trump. it is not anything bad, i think that he has a nasty attitude. >> reporter: and chris, one other bit of news that we have

been able to break about donald trump. he going to be sitting down friday with joe rogan in austin. he is the most downloaded podcast on spotify, and this is the podcast election, and both parties would agree trying to reach the voters in novel ways, and for trump who is trying so hard to reach the young male voters and young males who are less likely to vote or reach politic, and rogan is the holy grail of that audience and sitting down with rogan in what is a week and a half before the election day feels like the last stroke on that painting that trump is trying to put together in terms of reaching out across the spectrum of what you might call the bro podcast circuit, if you will. >> garrett haake breaking that news. thank you. and now, we go to wisconsin where the early voting started today. shaquille brewster is in milwaukee for u and what are the voters telling you. ah, a nice long line behind you.

>> chris, the lines have been here throughout the day, and an hour before the polls opened, you had people lining up. i think that we have a video of what it looks like inside, where it is congested, and people are excited to go cast their ballot. i will let you see along the line of the voters waiting outside, and people are not complaining, because they chose to be here for the first day of early person voting in wisconsin. this is some of the conversations that i had for folks when i specifically asked them why, why to come out on this first day. why were you here on day one, hour one to cast your ballot? >> it is so important, and you don't know what is going to come up with your life, and i might not be available to vote that day, and i couldn't vote. so for me p it is important to vote as early as possible. >> it is important for us to vote who are not rich, and for those who want to make america great and better. >> it is important for the two candidates and listening how far

apart they are on social issues and law and order and social justice. >> reporter: so many people telling me that they are feeling like this election is so different and some of them using the phrases that many of the candidates are using like the most important election of their lifetime. this is the busiest location of milwaukee, but you are seeing the line likes this throughout milwaukee, and other ports in part of the state, and you are seeing the long lines of high enthusiasm in parts of the state. chris, we know that it is a battleground state. we know that it going to be coming down to the wire. we know when we are looking at the other margins, it is well within only one percentage point which is going to be what drives people to vote on the first day of early voting in wisconsin.

chris. >> and thank you, shaquille. and now from where you are to madison, wisconsin, and you can see tim walz in the middle there who has just landed, and he is about to rally for one of the key surrogates in the campaign, former president barack obama. they will be in a rally at heavily blue dane county. this is a place where president biden won by more than 50 points in 2020. why are they there? they are there to drive up the turnout particularly among college students in madison, wisconsin. we will keep an eye on that, and meanwhile over to texas where senator ted cruz is working hard to keep his seat, but he is dodging questions which is a key focus of his campaign, abortion. ryan nobles is joining us from houston, and you got a one-on-one with senator ted cruz, and what did he tell you? >> well, chris, it is an important issue, when you take particularly in account that

vice president kamala harris has decided to make a stop here in houston at the end of the week and given that texas is not considered a presidential battleground, but the reason she is doing it is because the democrats believe that reproductive rights is a centerpiece of the national campaign, and it is certainly a big part of collin collin allre campaign. ted cruz has authored bills to lead to national bans on abortion in some case, and also someone who is resistant and any exceptions in the abortion restrictions like life of the mother, rape or incessed. we asked him if his perspectives on those particular issues had changed at all and he would not tell us. >> so just to make clear, that you are not clear of a national ban on abortion, and texas has one law and california with another?

>> there is not going to be a national ban. and by the way -- >> you would not vote for it? >> by the way, donald trump said that he would veto any national ban. ki quantify any chance of a national ban at zero point zero zero percent. it is not going to happen. >> but if it came up. >> it is going to the state legislatures. >> so you are opposed to a total ban? >> my question is that it is for the state legislature. >> you can see the difficult position that it puts ted cruz in, when you take into account the fact that he has authored national bans prior, and they came before the dobbs decision, but he refuses to say if the vote came up, and keep in mind that there have been senators who have introduced the legislation like this, and would he vote yes or no, and he said instead, he does not believe one would happen, and it should be left up to the states, but he

will not say, no, i would not vote on it, and it is something that collin allread right now has one of the strictest restrictions on abortion in the country in texas. >> and thank you. we have more on that senate race coming up next. oming up n. t high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! [achoo!] needs, alka seltzer plus cold & flu when speed is what you need, bounce back fast with alka seltzer plus. also try the new chewable fizzy chews. no water needed. why use 10 buckets of water when you can use 1 fire extinguisher. and to fight heartburn, why take 10 antacids

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kamala harris is about to do something that as ta houston chronicle points out, we have not seen a presidential candidate do this close to an election in 30 years, go to texas. in houston, friday, she'll break from the battleground blitz to go to what the campaign calls ground zero of extreme trump abortion bans. texas after the fall of "roe v. wade" banning most abortions five to six weeks into pregnancy. i want to bring in chief white house correspondent david alexander, and also, the member of substack julie kowinski and also our correspondent jimmy

coalstack. and i want to come to you, peter? >> well, it is a beginning of the closing argument of the harris campaign to describe abortion rights, and you described it as the ground zero of abortion ban. she going to be delivering a warning that there is a threat posed by donald trump directly to the women in the united states, and not just the states where the bans exist, but to other women not necessarily just in texas, but she is going to be joined by women who were affected by the new law that went into effect in 2021, and bans abortion at the sixth week and that is when a heartbeat can be heard by a doctor. and it is to capture the damage being done by donald trump or

has been done in the past by donald trump when he put three supreme court justices on the court right now, but to sort of emphasize this point again, it is not about winning texas much as the same way when donald trump goes to madison square garden or new york city, he is not planning to win new york state as he has claimed otherwise in multiple occasions. >> and now, i have a power threat here. and we have said it many times in the last couple of hours, every minute of the candidate's time is carefully thought out. it is extremely important. and doug, does it make sense to you for kamala harris to go to a red state like texas in the closing minutes? >> a red state like texas, no. but in a state like georgia where they have similar abortion laws, yes, or in south carolina where you could have an event to spill into charlotte or north carolina media markets and you

could affect other voters there, yes. when you go to another place, it means another place is mutually exclusively, and so spending time in texas is mystifying, but going to madison square garden is equally mystifying for donald trump. >> and he had three rallying events there as well. and so, julia, there is a poll that shows harris is leading trump 2-1 among the early voters where people have the early access. and so in the poll, she has decided to go to texas where they see ground zero for the abortion fight, and tell us everything that you need to know about what the campaign thinks the strongest closing argument is. >> yes, they are right, and you heard ted cruz not commit to federal voting ban. the abortion is on the ballot in the following way.

if donald trump wins, the lesson of republicans is that not enough people care about abortion to be deposit in the federal election. and he will sign that ban, because there is not a reason not to, and for that reason alone, the argument that kamala harris is making, and democrats around the country are making is that if you want abortion to be legal at least in some parts of the country, you must, you must make sure that she wins, otherwise, the lesson is going to be learned by republicans and rightfully so that -- >> do you think that she will have that in texas? >> i am not her speechwriter, but i think that people will understand it is not just young people voting burk it is young women turning out to vote in ways that are unprecedented, and truly a huge gender gap here based in part on this abortion ban. >> we saw liz cheney, doug, campaigning with her making the point to other conservative women, it is okay to vote with

kamala harris on the issue of abortion. this is what she said. >> there are many of us around the country who have been pro-life, but who have watched what's going on in our states since the dobbs decision and have watched state legislatures put in place laws that are resulting in women not getting the care they need. so, i think that it is not an issue that we are seeing breakdown across the party lines. >> right. >> but we are seeing the people come together to say, what has happened to women when women are facing situations where they cannot get the care they need, and where in places like texas for example, the attorney general is talking about suing, is suing to get access to women's medical records, that is not sustainable for us as a country, and it has to change. >> how effective do you think she is and how effective is her

message? >> well, it is a new message and everything she had been saying is tied into the january 6th, and capital "t" trump voters. and this is going to the suburban women who are pro-life and have concerns about donald trump. a lot of them, we see are not liking donald trump, but they are not sold on harris, and this is a different way for her to make the case. >> and does she hold, doug, more credibility in this case, because she knew when she got on the january 6th committee, she knew what the outcome of that was going to be, and she knew the outcome of that when she spoke out about what happened on january 6th, and she knows that there are plenty of people within the republican party who believe, as she does personally, have a different opinion about abortion but she is concerned about the right for women to make their own choices, and does the fact that she was willing to

say, good-bye to my career, the number two person in the house on the republican side, and do this? >> well, it is going to julie's point, it is a rubber meets the road moment for that edge. if the republicans win, and they could very well sweep the house, senate and president, and the lesson learned by the democrats are very different than if some of the republicans that we have seen knocked off in the special elections and midterms is to come to fruition, but honestly, ted cruz is somewhat vulnerable here, but nobody really expects him to lose this race, and if he did, it is a huge ground shift, but cruz is by and large safe here, and i say that because six years ago i saw someone walking broadway with the beto o'rourke t-shirt, and it was not lubbock, but in new york.

and so is that enough to get him over the hump in texas? i don't think so. >> what is going on, because the senate majority pac says they are putting out another round of cash, millions into the dems in texas, and do they believe there is a small chance that alread is going to win, or force the republicans to put more into the race. >> well, it is ted cruz who is universally hated by democrats -- >> and not the most loved by republicans universally either. >> and i agree, and even the point of liz cheney says that pro-life women never anticipated that when you had the abortion bans, and it is not just women getting rid of fetuses who they want, but it is women who desperately want to be mothers, they are prevented from being

parents, and they are not getting the care they want, but it is pro death, and so when the rubber met the road, and these laws going into effect, and people including liz cheney, it is not an ideological issue that is black and white, and there are complex issues around that now that are resulting in real life devastation for a lot of women who want to be mothers. >> julie and doug, thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> thank you. right after the break, be alert, and that is what a group of senators are warning voters ahead of the election. we will speak to senator dick durbin and the fight to keep senate control. you are watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. the serum that targets top eye concerns. it hydrates, brightens, refreshes tired eyes, and improves fine lines and puffiness. try olay super eyes serum. customize and save with liberty mutual. customize and sa—

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senate majority leader chuck schumer is warning voters that the results of the november election may not be fully known that night. a new 11-page report says that some state totals may not give us a full picture after all of the votes are counted. there are efforts to sow chaos and fear with voter fraud. the american people should be aware of election misinformation. joining me now is senator dick durbin. it is always great to have you with us. and how worried are you of voter

intimidation, and suppression and misinformation, and how concerned are you about voter misinformation? >> i am very concerned about voter misinformation. and every voter should turn out in a democracy. i am concerned about system of the efforts of the state levels to stop those who want to vote, and to make it more difficult for those who do. for instance, there was recently an effort by the republicans challenging votes that were cast by people who live overseas or work overseas. that includes of course, our men and women in uniform who want to vote as well. we can't make that happen, and we have to make sure that their right to vote is preserved. >> it is not unusual as i tell you for some results not to be known on election night because there are some close races, but could 2024 be larger or more troubling? >> i think it could be, to be honest, because there is an effort afoot to complicate the

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members of the party and they have a good chance of being re-elected. i believe we have a new possibility such as the congressman in texas who has made a great contribution, and debbie marcial is coming on strong, and even in nebraska, dan osborne, who is not officially a democrat, but he is really surprising a lot of people with the early polling. >> so give me the best shot, if you were an oddsmaker, what are the odds of the democrats holding the senate? >> i believe it is better that 50-50. we have the resource, and the quality of candidates, and the best of all pickups in the process, so i feel good about it. >> senator dick durbin, it is a good to have you on the show. >> thank you, chris. >> an election is paying off,

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180 -- that is how many lawsuits the associated press reports have already been filed in advance of the 2024 election, including two republican attempts to challenge overseas and military voting.

tossed out by judges in michigan and north carolina just yesterday. but that's just the start. republicans alone say they have 100,000 lawyers and volunteers ready to help and potentially file suits against anything they claim raises questions around the election, and here is former president trump on his campaign's legal push just a couple of hours ago in miami. >> we have tremendous people. we have tremendous, and a lot of lawyers working, and lawyers are working, and number of lawyers that nobody has seen before, because we won't play games. we will lose our country. >> for its part, team harris says it is ready to respond with hundreds of lawyers and some who have been preparing for years. and all of it is raising this key question, how long could it take to call the election once all of those lawyers get involved? joining me now is matthew sanderson, a attorney and co-leader of caplan and consill

tant of law group and consultant at virginia law group. and amy gardner who has reported on the vice president harris' legal team. and so, matthew, maybe hundreds of lawyers set to be deployed on or after the election night. is this part of the election process to be legal and fair or a recipe for a nightmare? >> well, the election results always take some time after election day to reach an official result, and litigation has always been a part of the process. i think that what we are seeing now though is a real ramping up of the campaigns, and particularly the trump campaign's effort to send messages and prepare the ground for legal legislation, and it is a ground effort more than whole

scale effort to appeal the process. >> and we know how many suits there were in 2000, and at least that is the projection, but are there already lawsuits being written, and like in anticipation of on the republican side? >> yeah, op both sides. so both the republicans and the democrats have hundreds of court pleadings and what are called the pleadings banks that are ready to go, and pre-written complaints and pre-written defenses and responses to the complaint, and there a lot of work that has already been done, and there is maybe some surprises in there, but you can tell a lot about each campaign's post election strategy about what they have been doing in the preelection period, and the trump campaign is placing a heavy emphasis on the voter registration rolls, and noncitizen voting and overseas military and citizen ballots,

and the harris campaign for its part seems to be focusing on the local officials and requiring that they certify the election results in front of them. so we can tell a lot about what is going to happen after november 5th by what has been happening before november 5th, but both campaigns have a lot of paper ready to file with the courts. >> and amy, you did a deep dive for democratic campaigns for their robust legal strategies years in the making, and what can you tell us about the strategy? >> the key to the strategy in addition to what we just heard about the issues that they are proactively addressing such as making sure that local officials are certifying the results as required by the local laws, it is to make sure that message is out from the dozen or so campaign lawyers that were made available to us which is unusual that they wanted to get the

message out so uniformly, and in other words, they want the public to know that they will be allowed to vote, and that it is a free and fair and secure election, and it is not that they are saying that we won't have problems, but it is that they believe that if they are going to be problems, election contests, it is likeier to happen after november 5th. i think that what they are dealing with is a little bit of the pardon the term, but bedwetting on their side of the aisle where people are worried about what will happen if president trump will contest it if he loses again, and he has a resounding yes to that, because he has made it clear in his own words, but in the campaign structure, the anxiety of the democratic side is that it could have a chilling effect on voter turnout and voting, and that is what they are worried about now. >> we get this question a lot,

and the question is how long do we have to wait to find out what happened, matthew, and of course, as you said, there are always things on election night, and races on election night that we don't know the results for any number of reasons, and they don't have toe nefarious, and in most cases it is not nefarious, and it was a whole pile of lawsuits in the last one, and ended up to the supreme court, and if this election is as close as the polls suggest it is, and we have seven battleground states, and none of them outside of the margin of error, could that be an unimaginable outcome here that a month later, we might not know the results of the presidency? >> well, i think that if the results are close, and the initial results are close, it will take time to confirm those results for, you know, as a first matter. people should take comfort in that, that the election

officials are double-checking the math, and making sure that all lawful votes are counted. so it is always going to take time. and if it is close, i expect it to be resolved similar to how it was in 2000 where the key date here was november 5th is when the voting takes place, and as congress has rewritten and reformed the electoral college system, the next key date on the calendar is november 11th, and so if it is close, that is when i expect the results to be certified by governors and it can potentially extend beyond that if there is an election controversy, the 16th, but hopefully much sooner than that hopefully. >> much sooner than that, matthew sanderson, and amy gardner, fantastic reporting and thank you for coming on to the show as well. now to the nbc exclusive, hollywood's biggest stars have a message for voters, don't be

duped by the a.i.-generated deep fakes. nbc justice correspondent ken delainian is reporting on this for us. tell us about this campaign. >> yes, chris. we are living in an age when anybody can generate a deep fake, and those videos have been used to discredit the campaign, but this public service ad is about a different problem, that the deep fakes will influence people about the time and manner of voting, that they will try to fool people into not going to the polls or going into a different polling place, and thereby affect the election. take a look. >> reporter: it is a nightmare scenario for the election security officials and it has already happened once. >> it is important that you save your vote for the november election. >> reporter: that was an artificial intelligence deep fake message generated of president biden's voice sent to new hampshire voices, and the political consultant behind it charged with felonies.

more is coming they say, and the best anecdote is awareness. >> in this election, bad actors will use a.i. to trick you into not voting. >> reporter: nbc news got an exclusive look with an ad out today featuring a group of celebrities to highlight the deep fake attempts to suppress voter election. >> from where you vote. >> and voting has been extended. >> or your polling location has been close ord changed due to emergency. >> don't fall for it. >> reporter: and the ad features television and movie personalities including chris rock, laura dern, michael douglas, and amy schumer and michael scott. former homeland security miles taylor is part of represent us, the nonpartisan group who produced the ad which is airing on youtube. >> we can make people aware of

the new spam that is trying to deceive them, and make sure that they don't fall for the deception. >> reporter: joshua lamb is the group's ceo. >> it is hard to know what is fake and what is not. >> just changing the votes in one district could tip the election. >> reporter: and it shows how easy it is to produce convincing video. >> voting is your right. >> don't let anyone take it from you. >> i love you, amy. i am sorry, i am not american. >> reporter: they are urging americans to get information about voting only from official sources. they say if something seems off, it probably is. >> so sorry. >> and chris, i wish i could point the viewers to one place to sort fact from fiction to go to the polling stations, but in election, it is a state and local issue, so folks should go to the secretary of state's web sites and the local county election board and in general get the information from government sources and not be

convinced or fooled by videos or audio that is sent directly to them, because that is not how the communication boards communicate with the public. and president biden has touched down in new hampshire for his event with bernie sanders in the state capital. while it is not an official campaign event for his vice president kamala harris, it is to doubt his administration's accomplishment with prescription drugs. we have mike memoli on the ground, and what are we expecting to hear? >> yes, the president will be touching down in concord, and it is not a campaign event, but it is a message that should be front and center for voters to consider as they vote in new

hampshire as voters make up their mind late in the process. he is going to be talking about a new report for his administration that says 1 million new medicare enrollees have saved up to $1 billion on prescription drugs for proposals he has pushed for and passed with medicare. and kamala harris did cast the tiebreaking vote to push through the act that is responsible for the savings. and now, it is also interesting that he is traveling here with senator bernie sanders and this issue of tashging on big pharma had been a big major part of the message as a candidate for reelection, and this is the type of event that we would have seen if the president were part of the e lek shun. and the white house is mindful that we are less than 100 days to the end of the biden administration.

they are doing everything they can to make sure that good governance is good politics for kamala harris, and doing everything they can to implement the policies as quickly and effectively as possible before the president leaves office thinking that it will ultimately help vice president in the re-election campaign here. chris? >> thank you, mike memoli, for that. there has never been as much research for a presidential campaign as there has been in 2024 down to which celebrity endorsers appeal to which specific voters by age, by sex and location, and now nbc news has confirmed that rapper eminem is going to be introducing barack obama at the harris-walz rally in detroit. and while it is bringing in a detroit native who has sold around 225 million albums, it could pay dividends in a battleground state where they are trying to reach every voter they can. and eminem is in the top ten musicians on youtube and instagram, and read that to mean

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leaders representing more than 40% of the world's population are gathering in russia for a summit that the kremlin says will be one of the biggest foreign policy events in the country's history. nbc's keir simmons is reporting from kherson, russia. reporting from kherson, russia. just today, we see the russian president in the room, and it is

people like the united arab emirates whose president sat down with president putin until midnight we are told, and that is key really, because this is called the brics gathering and russia talks about it as an alternative to the g7, but it is also a place where many countries are hedging between those adversities of the u.s., and the u.s., itself, are gather and this is why it is important. look, this group represents almost 40% of the world gdp and more than 40% of the world population, and so while, you know, it is political posturing in many ways, it is important for president putin here, and it is an opportunity to try to say, that he still is important on the world stage despite the war in ukraine, and despite that

international criminal court ruling indictment against him, and of course, he couldn't easily leave russia. there are many places where he couldn't go. but of course, here in russia, that is a message he is hoping that whoever is the president next will be listening to. >> keir simmons, thank you so much from kherson, russia, and we appreciate it. if you are looking and then it went away and in the right corner, you may have seen somebody who is looking familiar to you, one of the actors of the "west wing" and there he is. he is, dewith waiting for the vice president candidate tim walz and former president barack obama there in madison, and we are keeping an eye there on the big rally for you in the key battleground state, and we will keep an eye on that. thank you for watching "chris

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