. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. we have numbers for you. 14 days until the election. 17 million early votes already cast. roughly 244 million eligible to vote this year. with 41 million of them being young, newbies from generation z. that is a whole lot of people. and yet, and yet the number of people who are still truly gettable is dwindling by the second. but still, but still, in this 50-50 race the decision-making voters are gettable. and they could be convinced of these final days. which is why you saw donald trump play-acting as a fast food worker at mcdonald's the other day. it's why he's targeting the bro vote and podcast with logan paul, aiden ross, lex friedman

and just breaking now, joe rogan. that's why he's fear-mongering christians, falsely claiming a harris president will target them. on the other hand, kamala harris is devoting so much time to conversations with an uber conservative like liz cheney in front of suburban battle grounds in pennsylvania and michigan, trying to remind them that when women are in power, women compromise. women work together. it's also why you're now starting to see the democratic's party biggest heavy hitter come to the plate as former president barack obama takes a swing at convincing young black men to join the team. a naggingly weak spot for harris in public polling. according to all we know right now, it is a game of inches. in other words, an election of single votes. so, who will build the winning coalition? joining us now in madison, where former president barack obama and governor tim walz are about to speak, nbc news senior white

house correspondent kelly o'donnell, vaughn hillyard in miami with us, with the trump campaign senior writer at the dispatch and author of "in trump's shadow," david drucker in michigan covering the trump campaign through the rust belt and staff writer with the "atlantic," mark leibovich. kelly, tell me more about this event with kelly and walz. who are they trying to talk to? who's in the crowd? >> reporter: well, behind me right now is actor bradley woodford from "the west wing," but he also reminded this crowd he is from madison, wis. he's making the appeal to his fellow wisconsinites that even though he may be in l.a. now, he understands and feels for them that they're in a pivotal state. a state that traditionally in a number of key cycles had elections decided by a point or two. this is the first day of early

voting. so, he is among the voices here today, urging those who are able to vote to get out and record that vote early so there won't be anything that gets in the way. part of what we expect from barack obama is that same message. he's one of the biggest voices in the democratic party and wants to encourage people across this state to register their votes now. and they're trying to drum up, push up votes in suburban areas and in places like dane county here where it is not only the state capital but it's also a college town. they've seen a growth of the county growing in numbers and population, and they want to make sure they maximize that. so, that's part of what's happening here. barack obama is also, of course, going to a couple of the other key battleground states in the next few days. we're at that point so deep in the election season where election day is now a living thing with early voting beginning that the big names are coming out in terms of entertainment, in terms of the

political stars of each party, and certainly having the candidates out on the road. while kamala harris is in d.c. today doing a couple of interviews, governor tim walz will be here and then holding a rally later today in racine. katy? >> bradley woodford getting the crowd pretty loud. we'll go back live when barack obama takes the stage. we'll keep an eye on this. vaughn hillyard, i hope you're still with us. are you on a plane? >> we haven't taken off yet. the former president will be flying from here in miami to north carolina for a rally tonight. we haven't taken off yet, to be clear. >> so, tell me a little bit about this trump strategy. he's talking to latino voters today. he's also talking to the bro vo, going a lot of bro podcasts. now joe rogan. why do they think his style

maybe over his substance is going to be convincing to that audience? >> there's one objective here. that is to juice the turnout in support and garner excitement among this part of the population where they have seen gains in polling, but also anecdotely, rallies, even compared to four years ago, we see a younger, in many cases bro-y type of the electorate to support him. 18 to 24-year-olds weren't eligible to vote four years ago so there's a whole cast of voters that donald trump wasn't able to rely on four years ago. when you're looking at his events, like last night he had an event with evangelical christians, juicing the vote, not so much concerned they're going to vote for kamala harris, but making sure they get their neighbors and churchgoers to go out. earlier here in miami he had what he called the round table with latino leaders. there wasn't much substance

around issues related to the latino community and he focused more on attacking kamala harris. he's hoping to chip a couple points with latino voters. it could make the difference in the likes of georgia, arizona, nevada to swing this election. i mentioned his attacks on kamala harris. i want to let you listen to part of his remarks here earlier. he's trying to set up a contrast between him and the nearly 20 years younger than him vice president kamala harris and the distinction between his ability to serve four years versus the way that she's campaigning. >> i was going to hit her really hard on the trail today but now i don't have to because she's off. she's off. i can't get over it. who the hell takes off? you have 14 days left? she'll take a couple more days off. she's lazy as hell and she has that reputation. >> reporter: of course, she was doing an interview today. she's back having meetings with her campaign. to be clear, donald trump also

said he's been on the campaign trail 52 straight days, which is inaccurate. there's been multiple days over the last month and a half he has not appeared on the campaign trail or had fund-raisers. the truth doesn't always exactly align with the message he gives to his crowds, like today. >> sometimes he's just playing his spotify playlist and swinging along to it. apparently not anybody in the campaign who can push back on that sort of behavior, at least not effectively. david drucker, as i said at the top, there are dwindlingly fewer and fewer voters that are gettable but there are ones that are still open to being convinced. those are the ones who are likely going to decide this election. what are you hearing from folks in the rust belt as you're covering team harris? >> yeah, i'm at the convention center in downtown detroit where barack obama will speak this evening. yesterday i was out in the suburbs in oakland county. it's a democratic-leaning county. it's where harris has to run up the score. she's going to win a razor-thin

race here in michigan. her strategy, in part, is to go after disaffected republicans, but i think female republicans even more so than men. i think that's what the visual of traveling from suburban philly to suburban detroit to suburban milwaukee on monday with liz cheney was all about. to show this idea that republicans and democrats can get along and that she will listen. there have been complaints from some disaffected republicans that the vice president isn't showing enough on policy, even though she has gone to the center on immigration, on some energy issues, and a few other things. they would like to see more. i think the way the harris campaign is looking at it is people want a return to normal politics. when you see the two of them getting along the way they do, legitimately, it could make a difference. at least that's what they're banking on. you know, what everybody tells us here, i talk to voters, i talk to strategists, and i keep

hearing the same thing. well, this campaign feels good about that. we feel good about this. voters tell me they're cautiously optimistic. i'd say republican voters are a little more confident than cautiously optimistic. a lot of democratic voters remember 2016. it's something they've told me over and over, whether i've been in pennsylvania, michigan. really t is a battle now to try and mobilize every last bit of vote you have and try to winner over that last bit of persuadables. >> it's a bid to show women can get along, compromise, get things done. that's not just a lofty ideal. there's data, numbers behind that. this is what we've seen in congress. women sponsor more legislation, they pass more legislation, they send their directs back more money. they work together, better than men do, according to the data in congress. when you see kamala harris out with liz cheney and, david, they're trying to find those

female conservative voters, those female republican voters, i wonder how effective it is. i want to play with you a little sound we got from a voter over the weekend in pennsylvania. this was one of our producers, nora, speaking to a woman who said she did not agree with the roe v. wade decision. she is a republican. here's how she explained herself. >> i think so. but i think the republicans are ignoring the fact of the roe v. wade overturn. i wasn't on board with that. >> you weren't on board with that? >> no, i wasn't. >> how is that going to factor into your vote? >> it won't. it's not enough. it's not enough of a reason to vote for her. >> do you have any concerns about trump signing a national abortion ban into law? >> he won't do it. he wanted to give it back to the states. that was his platform from the beginning and he did it. >> david, i'm wondering, how does she line up with what you've heard from those voters,

the ones that harris is trying to get with liz cheney? >> look, i think that this lines up a lot with what we have seen, which is republican voters broadly are giving donald trump wide latitude to make compromises on key issues, abortion being one of them. they simply do not see him in the same way that so many others do. they don't -- they don't think he's going to up-end the constitution. they don't think he's going to try to overturn an election. they don't think he tried to overturn the last election. they have a completely different view of how he has conducted himself. so, you know, it's been interesting to watch the harris campaign with the help of liz cheney, but even when not, focus on these recent days on january 6th and the way in which trump operates that many on the left but even many independents feel could be dangerous to the sort of civic health of the country.

but many -- but other republican strategist focus on this, on wooing disaffected republicans for harris, saying she's better off focusing on social security and border. >> let me play one more voter. a democratic voter. despite the accent, he's an american voter who says he believes that harris should do just that, should hit the immigration issue, the border harder. listen to him. >> she needs to do something about the border issue because that's what the trump side keeps forcing down everybody's throats. that they -- that under biden, there were a lot of migrants that came over the border. so, if they want to win undecideds and make a difference, then if she goes for that and says, i was a tough da and i'm going to make sure the border is secure. that's all she needs to do. >> mark, why is she not doing

that? why when she's asked, if there's one thing you would change from the biden administration, why doesn't she say, i would have been tougher at the border? i don't think the biden team made the right moves early on. if it were me in charge, i would have done x, y, z. president obama deported more team than donald trump did. he was tough on the border. why does kamala harris not feel she can have that sort of latitude? >> i think there's a big difference, the second thing that you just said, obama record on this, than actually saying, we made a mistake working with the -- my current administration. that, one, is going to trigger a lot of people inside the administration she works in, but also it's an admission of failure, which you don't want to get into this late in the game. the fact is there's two weeks left. early voting is starting in a lot of places. and, you know, you sort of -- they've already laid out their strategy and they've been working their strategy for the last several months.

mostly, you know, around reproductive rights, obviously being their biggest issue. at this point, it's a very -- i mean, they're running a very cautious race, which tends to happen at the end. i think in some ways, you know, she has been pretty -- not risky but come out of her comfort zone in the interviews she's done in the last week or so. for the most part, i think they probably won't rock the vote message wise in the final days here. look, if she loses, obviously immigration is going to be one of the things -- >> well, that's what i want to ask again about. i don't really understand the, i don't want to anger people in the administration, because what's going to be harder for people in the administration than losing the next election? if you're looking at numbers and voters are saying, i'm concerned about the border, about immigration, why is her campaign not responding to that? >> i think it goes to how delicate things are still between her and biden. i think to some degree the

democrats are not completely healed from the skisms of july. this might be part of it. there is a bit of a tiptoeing around the record of the biden administration, even by kamala harris herself, for whatever reason, whether it's personal with biden, whether it's the kind of loyalty she feels that she can't sort of veer from, or even that, you know, she feels like she would be blamed if there is any kind of admission of weakness on this issue. she doesn't feel like she can do it. so, for whatever reason, again, this will be second-guessed to death if they lose. she doesn't feel like she can get there. >> i didn't have time to go over this with you guys, but i'm going to mention one more set of numbers that i think is interesting. this is an analysis by the financial times on both of their donor filings. kamala harris has gotten 4.9 million donors. those are individual donors for her campaign. donald trump has received money from 1.37 million donors.

i wonder if that will be an interesting indicator as we head past november 5th as we get the results. david drucker, mark leibovich, thank you very much. we're still waiting for former president barack obama and vice presidential candidate tim walz to speak in madison, wisconsin. we'll bring you their remarks when they get under way. still ahead, when voters in battleground arizona told jacob soboroff what they're thinking about as they head to the polls. what a judge just ordered rudy giuliani to hand over. a big thing to georgia election workers he defamed in 2020. hint, it's his luxury manhattan apartment. we're back in 90 seconds. t. we're back in 90 sonecds i take you, body in sickness and in health. (♪♪) for as long as we shall live. (♪♪)

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senior living which provides free weatherization services to low income seniors. >> we have people who would never be able to pay for any of this. >> reporter: in a county like maricopa -- just turned on again. to not have it, what does that mean? >> probably death. >> reporter: there were 645 heat related deaths in maricopa county in 2023 alone. a clear and present danger to ruth hernandez, the retired cashier who lives in this house. why is what they're doing so helpful, so important for you? >> i just retired. i know i never would have been able to have this done if it wasn't for them. >> reporter: at the end of the month, forgive me for asking such a personal question, how much do you have in your bank account? >> $30. this is going to help a lot. >> reporter: what do you want vice president harris and former president trump to know about people like you?

>> a lot of people are in need of help. i thought maybe my social security would be a little bit more, but it's not. >> reporter: does either vice president harris or former president trump connect with you more when they talk about what americans go through? >> well, flight it's harris. >> reporter: maricopa county doesn't have a dominant political party but the residents all experience the same heat and increased cost of housing and living. this is a mobile home community. right now it's 102 degrees. it's not even noon yet. what we're told about this place is a lot of residents don't have great ac, if their ac works at all. nice to meet you. >> reporter: michael leonard also signed up for free weatherization services from fsl. >> they're replacing the water heater. it's only five years old. >> reporter: he recently got a new air conditioner, too. this is a brand-new air conditioning unit? >> brand-new. if you look at the typical ones for our neighbors, that's what

it is. >> reporter: he invited us inside his house. >> what a difference you'll feel. >> reporter: this is nice. let me ask you -- clearly, there's you're trump hat up there. do you think that he can help people like you? >> i think he can help the entire economy. >> reporter: we met another person getting these free services. she's a vice president harris supporter and you're a trump supporter. despite the fact you're going through sort of a similar thing -- >> it's a commonality, hardship. right, hardship. regardless what side of the spectrum you're on, it's hardship. >> reporter: why do you think we can't see more eye to eye on the politics? >> really good question. everybody has to come together. we have to pull together as a country. we have to. >> reporter: high temperatures on the thermometer and in politics, on a place where they decide the presidency. >> doesn't matter what side the spectrum you're on, hardship. in other parts of maricopa county, atmosphere of fear and intimidation among election

officials has prompted dystopian preparations for every worst case scenario. from "the wall street journal," quote, as november 5th looms election headquarters in the most populous county in the crucial battleground state of arizona has become a fortress. the building has added metal detectors and armed guards on election days as workers tabulate ballots behind new fencing and concrete barriers. drones will patrol the skies overhead. police snipers will perch on rooftops and mounted patrols will stand ready. across the state election workers have gone through active shooter drills and learned to barricade themselves or wield fire hoses to repel arm the mobs. at the ready are trauma kits containing tourniquets and bandages designed to pack chest

wounds and stanch serious bleeding. joining us now political anchor and reporter for 12 news in phoenix, bram resnik. that is insane what i just read. is that really what it's coming down to in maricopa county? are they seeing online threats or is there intelligence suggesting it could get that bad? >> look, people are in jail right now because of what's happened over the last several years. the death threats to our elected officials. i read that story on sunday. i know this and i was shocked by it all because i know it's real. i know it's happening. these are the kinds of preparations they have to make. it's funny, i've been to that county election headquarters many, many times over the years. during the primary in august i went there to drop off my ballot. i drove right by it because of the security preparations they had made. the whole -- the wrought iron fence, the new wrought iron fence surround, the building was

wrapped in tarp so nobody could see inside. as we know in the past, and likely again this year, there will attempts to video what goes on inside those gates. >> are they concerned about voters from a particular political party? >> well, yes. not a political party but their advocates, the random people who will just show up and do things. i think many of the groups active in 2020 and even 2022 have been nulterred by lawsuits so they may not be out there. but as we've seen in the threats identify talked about, it is random people who will just show up and want to do something or there could be something organized. we just don't know yet. >> you said yes but you didn't say the party. i assume these are trump supporters. >> yes. it is not biased to say these are trump supporters. i can't think of a single

democrat or supporter of a democratic candidate who has shown up at any of these protests. >> is this the sort of thing changing people's minds in arizona, when they see stories like this or the hardening of their election office, are they thinking, gosh, i'm not comfortable voting for a political party is inspiring this? don't worry about it. i just had to wipe my lip off on camera, too. >> it's very dry here. >> are voters looking at that, reading the stories and seeing the hardening and thinking, i'm not comfortable supporting a candidate who inspires that or is it not being thought about? >> i don't know. most of them didn't see "the wall street journal" story. there's a briefing going on in about 45 minutes by election officials about some of those preparations so folks will see it on the news. i think it's largely out of mind for them. they've heard enough about it over the last four years, you would think it might have made

an impact. it does make an impact who see their county board officials who decide not to run because they don't want to deal with this. some see it but it's a large area, a large area, a large electorate, i'm not sure it registers. >> are there enough volunteers? polls are staffed largely by volunteers. are there enough people to man the polls this time around? enough people who want to put themselves in that position? >> that's a really good question. it has been a challenge. they're offering more money. there were calls for more poll workers about a month ago. here is something to watch on election night. we have a very long ballot this year. it's four 11x17 pages. it's stacked with stuff. it's taking voters a while to fill it out. that might be a why we're seeing slow returns of ballots. but there's also a concern that the election places are going to

stack up on election day, election night, with voters filling out long ballots. that could be a problem. as far as getting our results on time and maybe creating more anxiety among voters. >> really good to have you. thank you so much for joining us. election workers friedman and shane moss will control rudy giuliani's assets, including his new york city apartment, thanks to a ruling from a new york judge. joining us, lisa ruben. these are the two election workers that donald trump and rudy giuliani targeted saying they were passing a key fob back and forth with votes. >> now we know it was a ginger mint, that's why they won $148 million in a defamation case that was tried to a verdict in the district of columbia last year. >> now why are they getting rudy

giuliani's apartment? >> if a person is a judgment creditor, so to speak, as these two women are, need assets to satisfy a judgment and the person held liable isn't turning it over to them, one thing they can do is ask a judge to ask the transfer of assets to be put into receivership for them. they used a provision of new york to ask the federal court in manhattan to transfer a number of rudy's personal and real properties to him, including his new york city apartment, as you noted, and includes a list of watches, sports memorabilia, even a signed joe dimaggio jersey. >> that's interesting. can he appeal this? can he try to keep this stuff or is this a done deal? if so, how quickly? >> the order requires him to comply within seven days. so, while he could try to appeal this, it is unlikely that rudy giuliani will be able to appeal or stay this order with enough time to make that happen. >> whoever thought a joe

dimaggio jersey would get caught up in all of this. lisa ruben, thank you very much. interesting day for poll workers. tim walz, governor tim walz, the vp candidate for kamala harris is speaking now in wisconsin. said his thank yous and mentioned that president obama will join him soon. let's listen. >> so football is always near and dear to me, close to my heart. i know this week i might not be the biggest draw. there's a bit of a game coming up saturday night with penn state. so, look, i don't usually do this, but we need to win wisconsin and pennsylvania, so i'm not picking a side in this one. you go do it. go do it. [ applause ] >> i will say this, and i know you know this, when the stakes are the highest, winners are the ones that step up. that's exactly what we're going to do. [ applause ]

6. >> you play all the way through to the final whistle. that's the exact energy kamala harris and i are bringing to the final 14 days. i cannot tell you how proud i am to be on this ticket with vice president harris. from the first days that she stepped into a courtroom as a prosecutor, to a district attorney to the attorney general of the largest state in the union, to the u.s. senator, to the vice president, she has had one client -- the people. [ applause ] she stood up for women and children against predators and abusers. she stood up for seniors and workers against fraudsters and big corporate interests. she stood up for families and communities against transnational gangs and traffickers. [ applause ] and when people came to her, she never asked them if they were

democrats or republicans. she simply asked them, how can i help? [ applause ] i know you know it, that's why you came. this election is two weeks from today and early voting has started here in wisconsin. our team is running like everything is on the line. because everything is on the line. we're barnstorming the country, we're on tv, we're on podcasts, we're on radio. i am like one interview away from being a regular on fox news, just so you know. but you know what you noticed, it takes stamina to run for president. it takes stamina to be president. and donald trump does not have stamina.

he has been rambling more than the normal rambling. he calls is the weave. donald, come on. we know there's only one weave that you know anything about. and it is not this. it is not this. he's ducked a bank, but you can't blame him. when you get your ass whipped that hard, you don't come back for seconds. [ applause ] he dropped out of three interviews, and his staff in a moment of clarity and truth said he was exhausted. look, i don't care how exhausted he is because i can promise you, he's not as exhausted as the american people are of him. [ applause ]

so over the weekend, he made a little appearance over the weekend. you might have seen this. he went to a mcdonald's and dressed up as the drive-through worker. they found him an apron his size and put it on him. and i was thinking, it is possible he mixed up his weekends and thought that it was halloween already. he's been forgetting things lately, as you might have noticed. well, look, there's something not just nuts but cruel about a billionaire using people's livelihood as a political prop. [ applause ] his agenda let's big corporations not pay people for

overtime and diminishes those very workers that he was cosplaying as. he missed an opportunity, though. being at mcdonald's, he looks much more like ronald mcdonald than the clown that he actually is. [ applause ] tell me you don't see this one coming from a mile away. and ronald wears less makeup. you saw it coming. you saw it coming. that restaurant, that restaurant wasn't even open. it was a stunt. fake orders for fake customers. they even staged the drive-through. we know that. they won't let you walk through the dmn drive-through. they saw that happening. well, look, everything about this guy is fake. everything he does is fake. [ applause ]

next he's going to be telling you he's a cop or a construction worker because he dances to the village people, so he knows. i'll tell you this, though, that five minutes he stood next to the deep fryer, that's the hardest that guy has ever worked in his life. and that's not a joke. look, i'm not going to waste all the time. i'm going to talk about his running mate. his running mate, elon musk. seriously! seriously! where is senator vance after he got asked the simplest question in the world at the debate did donald trump lose the 2020 election? after two weeks he finally said, no, he didn't. that's where he's been spending his time. look, elon's on that stage,

jumping around, skipping like a dipshit on these things. you know it. [ applause ] think about it. think about that. that guy is literally the richest man in the world. spending millions of dollars to help donald trump buy an election. they're saying the quiet parts out loud now. he already said he would put elon in charge of regulation that oversee the businesses that elon runs. that's a hell of a buy. he could spend billions to make more than $10 billion on the back end. so, in other words, donald trump in front of the eyes of the

american public is promising corruption. that's what he's promising you. and you know what, i don't believe he keeps many promises, but he'll keep that one. i guarantee you he'll keep that one. but here's the good news, madison, donald trump is never going to be president. elon musk is never going to run anything. [ applause ] and the good news is, kamala harris is promising a new way forward and ready to deliver. both of us! both of us grew up in middle class families. we didn't start out with $400 million and we're not the richest people in the world. for christ's sakes, they said i might be the poorest person that's ever run for vice president. yes! yes!

kamala actually worked at mcdonald's and did that job. and we know, we know that the economy works best when everybody has an opportunity to get ahead and thrive. [ applause ] and here's the beauty of it. she's laid out a plan. 100 million middle class americans receiving a tax cut and up to $6,000 for new parents to get their kids off to a good start. take on the price gougers. there was a great example, if you want to know what price gouging looks like. hurricane is coming to florida. they're telling people to get out, protect their lives. guess what happened to airline prices during that week. that's not capitalism. that's price gouging and it needs to be against the law. [ applause ]

that brings down the price of groceries. that brings down the price of pharmaceuticals. she announced something last week for all of you with a little less hair or hair that's gray, or parents getting that way, you in the middle, this thing is absolutely transformational. having medicare cover in-home care for our seniors. [ applause ] for all you young people, when you get to 60 you start paying a lot of attention to medicare and social security. look, first time ever our seniors can qualify through medicare to get their vision and their hearing aids so they can live quality lives. extend that $35 cap on insulin to make sure that no one has to choose between rationing their insulin or buying their groceries.

and then finally focusing on the class that really, truly drives our economy, small business owners and entrepreneurs making sure that folks have access to capital and tax credits to start small businesses. again, for all the young people, the one thing, the biggest purchase you'll make, the thing where you can get some generational wealth, making sure we give down payment assistance so you can buy into homes and get started. [ applause ] where your cousins across the way in minnesota, we had a saying that came from one of our senators, who we lost way too soon, paul wellstone, who summed up an economy -- yeah. we've got him. you had russ feingold. we had people who know how to get things done. these are folks that focused on the middle class.

paul just summed up how an economy should work. kamala believes it in her heart. we all do better when we all do better. that's the economy. [ applause ] donald trump and jd and elon and the rest of the billionaires have a different idea. they did us a favor this time. i have to be careful. i said they don't have a plan. they do have a plan. they have a concept of a plan on health care. but they do have a plan. this project 2025, which i'm glad all of you know about now, what's in there. that's good. now, jd on the debate stage, which i'm standing there saying, i can't believe you're saying these things because we all know they're not true, but the one thing he said is, donald trump has been a champion and a protector of the aca. donald trump, the famously big fan of obamacare. there might be somebody here who will have a few words about that

here in a little bit. we'll see. a bit of a perspective. look, come on, they tried 60 times. they filed lawsuits. donald trump said anything. if it wasn't for the courage of john mccain walking out and saying no, they would have ripped health care away from us. [ applause ] might be one of the reasons john mccain's son, jim, is with us on this battle. with us. you know they'll come after social security and medicare. and i say this again. from their perspective, for donald trump, it probably is simple. he doesn't give a damn if his social security check shows up. he has been qualified for social security. he's nearly an 80-year-old man. he doesn't care because he sits down at mar-a-lago. you know who does care? all of our parents.

my mom. she needs her check to pay her heating bill and eat. we need to protect social security. and the real question that people are going through mcdonald's are going to be asked is, do you want a trump tax cut with those fries, or tax increase? because you're not going to get it if you're a billionaire coming through the line you'll get it. if you're the rest of us, 20% increase from his tariffs adding $4,000 a year to our costs. that's what you're going to get. but he called it -- look, they're working on this -- >> governor tim walz pretty spicy, i'll put it that way, there in wisconsin. we'll sneak in a very quick break. again, president obama is supposed to join him very soon. we'll be right back. don't go anywhere. anywhere.

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all right. we are still watching governor tim walz in wisconsin, madison, wisconsin. we're going to go back there in a moment. we want to sneak in a quick story in texas. it has not had a democratic senator in 30 years. 2024, something could happen. joining us, nbc news capitol hill reporter ryan nobles. could something really happen? >> reporter: i want to be clear, i think we would be surprised if collin alred were able to upset

cruz. he already has a significant amount of fund-raising support behind him. we have been at a polling place, there have been lines around this building all morning long. this is one of the most heavily populated democratic polling locations in this state. that's a sign that at least there's a degree of democratic enthusiasm, but it's still tough, especially in a presidential election year where donald trump is still popular. we found some voters who said they voted republican before and are switching to democratic here in a state like texas. >> i voted republican my entire lifeentire life until trump became the candidate and then i voted democrat since. >> yeah. yeah. and do you feel as though the democratic message is starting to resonate with folks in texas? >> i think so. i think what we're seeing is there's different ways to do things and bringing in younger blood's important.

>> reporter: so the big question is are there as many voters like rene who we talked to that could change the tide for colin allred and allow him to beat ted cruz, especially when democrats have thought they had this opportunity before. i will tell you, katy, they are making reproductive rights and abortion a major issue in this race. and that's part of the reason that you're seeing the vice president kamala harris, the democratic nominee, coming here to houston on friday. it's the first time a democratic presidential candidate has been in texas this close to an election in 30 years, and it's not because democrats think they can win the state at the presidential level but it's because they want to make abortion a focus. texas has some of the most strict abortion laws in the country, and democrats accuse ted cruz of being part of the problem as it relates to that. we'll have to see if that's enough to convince voters to come to the polls in terms of democrats. republicans still feel pretty confident they're going to keep the seat red. >> did he give you a straight answer on the question of abortion? i know you asked him. >> reporter: no, he did not,

katy. i specifically pressed him on whether or not he supports exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother or if he supports a national abortion ban. he refused to answer either of those questions, instead saying that he agrees with the dobbs decision, that it should be left up to the states. keep in mind in the past cruz has said that he doesn't support those exceptions. he's introduced three different versions of a national abortion ban before the dobbs decision. now he just won't touch those issues and was a little bit annoyed we were asking about it. katy? >> what about money? you can always tell how worried a party is on how much money they spend and where they're spending it. are senate republicans spending money in texas? >> reporter: they aren't yet. and that's something that's actually frustrated ted cruz. he told us that last night as well, that he wished that he was getting support from national democrats. but we did see national democrats inject millions of dollars into this race at the 11th hour. they're going to invest in an aggressive digital and radio ad

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so we had a nice road trip instead. [ cheers and applause ] i made it. it is great to be here in wisconsin. it's great to be back in the midwest, where folks have got good sense. it's great to be with the next vice president of the united states, tim walz! [ cheers and applause ] i love this guy. love that dude. love that man. the kind of person who should be in politics. he's a veteran. he's a teacher. he's a coach. he's a hunter. been a great governor. knows who he is and knows what's important. you can tell those flannel shirts he wears have gotten some

wear. they come from his closet. consultant didn't give them to him. tim's got skills. the other day i found out he can take a vintage truck apart and put it back together again. you think donald trump can do that? for that matter, do you think donald trump's ever changed a tire in his life? that's the guy, he gets a flat tire he says, jeeves, change that tire, please. his chauffeur. point is, tim will be an outstanding vice president but he's only going to be an outstanding vice president if you vote. and that's why you're here today. [ cheers and applause ] i'm here to make sure that you hear from me.

i am asking you to vote. for your congressman. mark coken. for your senator tammy baldwin. and for the next president of the united states of america, kamala harris! [ cheers and applause ] and i know you've heard it about 15 times so far today but it's worth repeating, here in wisconsin early voting starts today. [ cheers and applause ] if you haven't voted yet i won't be offended if you just walk out right now. go vote! go do it. return the absentee ballot. it's fine. just remember to bring your photo i.d. if you're voting in person. if you need to register to vote, you can do it at your local clerk's office from now until november 1st. or when you vote on election day tuesday november 5th.