and tonight, a "beat" announcement. we have new hats. i have heard from some of you about them. you can see on the right the mug we have is now a hat on msnbc. i got ari with me. those are lyrics from an actual song, if you're a hard core "beat" viewer you might remember that. you can go to the website, msnbc.com/beat5. that's beat and the number 5. you can get your classic mug or your anniversary wine glass or the new hats, which we think is fun. go pick them up for yourself or a friend. it's a great election season gift. do people give gifts for election season? i don't know. that does it for us. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> the american people are at

this point two weeks out, being presented with a very, very serious decision. about what will be the future of our country. >> vice president harris interviewed today by nbc news on the very high stakes in the presidential election. also tonight, trump is entrusting elon musk with his get out the vote effort. we will explore just what musk will demand in return if trump wins. >> plus, it is one of trump's most appalling promises that he will use police and the national guard to hunt down, detain, and deport millions of undocumented immigrants. we'll talk about what that would actually look like. >> but we begin tonight with yet another reminder of just how low trump can go. particularly when it comes to this country's service men and women. the atlantic's jeffrey goldberg

who just four years ago broke the news that donald trump described american fallen soldiers as suckers and losers, has a brand-new piece out tonight that lays out stunning new details about the extent of trump's megalomania and disregard for american military and structure. first, he gets trump's former chief of staff john kelly to go on the record and confirm that trump did ask him why his generals weren't more like german generals. kelly tells goldberg that he asked trump to clarify, saying, quote, do you mean the kaiser's generals? surely, you can't mean hitler's generals? to which trump said, yeah, yeah, hitler's generals. goldberg explains that much of trump's disbane for members of the u.s. military is due to their willingness to accept low wages. it's crystal clear throughout this piece that trump is filled with disdain. but the most disgusting allegation, which his team

denies, is that trump offered to pay for the funeral of specialist vanessa guillen, who was bldgeoned to death by a fellow soldier in ft. hood, texas. it took three months to find her remains. for months, they called for an investigation into the army base. the secretary of the army, ryan mccarthy, ordered an investigation into ft. hood's command culture. the investigation led to the firing of dozens of people. in a pres conference, mccarthy said the murder shocked our conscience. the atlantic reported that trump didn't like that. he was agitated by mccarthy's comments and raised questions about the severity of the punishments dispensed to senior officers and noncommissioned officers. publicly, he offered to pay for the funeral service of the specialist, but it's what he allegedly said privately when he found out what it cost that will

disgust you. according to goldberg, who spoke with attendees and saw contemporaneous notes of the meeting, trump became angry and shouted, quote, it doesn't cost $60,000 to bury an f'ing mexican. he turned to his chief of staff, mark meadows, and issued an order. don't pay it. later that day, he was still agitated. can you believe it, he said, according to a wince, f'ing people. trying to rip me off. goldberg also reports that trump, while still president, wanted to call back to active duty admiral william mccraven and general stanley mcchrystal, who had become critical of trump so that they could be court-martialed because of their opposition. finally, goldberg reports that trump told senior advisers that he didn't understand why the u.s. government placed such value on finding soldiers missing in action. to him, they could be left behind because they had

performed poorly by getting captured. look, i know it is easy to lose track of this man's depravity, but these reports serve as daily reminders of who he really is. a selfish, vile, wanna be dictator guided by vengeance. joining me now is retired army general paul eaton. he's oo senior adviser to vote vets, and charlie sykes, msnbc contributor and columnist. general eaton, i read this piece in horror. i want to read just a little bit more of it. this is how it starts. the personal qualities displayed by trump in his reaction to the cost of the guillen funeral, contempt, rage, racism, hardly surprises his inner circle. trump has frequently voiced his disdain for those who serve in the military and their devotion to honor and sacrifice. the sole military vircher he

prizes is obedience. as his presidency drew to a close and in the years since, he's become more and more interested in the advantages of dictatorship and the absolute control over the military that he believes it would deliver. i need the kind of generals that hitler had, trump said in a private conversation in the white house, according to two people who heard him say it. general eaton, that type of man, as commander in chief once seems bad enough. your thoughts on what we learned in this report and the idea of him being commander in chief of the united states military again. >> joy, thank you for having me on. you just gave me a piece of information that is personal to me. my father was missing in action for 38 years. in laos during the vietnam war. my country, our country, spent quite a lot of man howers and quite a bit of treasure to find my father and his copilot,

brought them back for a full military funeral honors. in time for my mother to be alive, to be able to witness that. that was a big deal. and that's what we do. we don't leave men behind. and the whole german general thing is -- you just can't make this stuff up. the german generals, erwin rommal, brilliant general, tried to kill hitler. had he been able to do that, how many germans and americans would be alive today? so here we have this guy, this former president, this guy who got voted out of office, who is saying over and over and over again, repeated put in the press, guys like general kelly telling us exactly what went on in closed doors, and yet this is a close race. this puts so much in question about what's going on in this great country.

and we need to box this guy up. and settle it forever. and win this election. he cannot be commander in chief of the armed forces of the united states ever again. >> you know, charlie, it's that thing where you realize that calling trump hitler to him would not be an insult. because he seems to really, really admire adolf hitler. you know, it isn't just jd vance who said he might be america's hitler. in his mind, it seems he would like to be america's hitler. and the other piece of it is this belief that the military are toys he can put on a ches board and play with, that they belong to him, that every person in the military is his property. and then his disdain that if they are injured or hurt, he doesn't ever want to see or hear about them again. they now are beneath him. why in the hell is any veteran, any member of the military

voting for this man who hates them? >> this is a take a deep breath moment because this would be breath taking and disqualifying if we had not lived through the past eight years, right? if we didn't know this was donald trump. the contempt, the pure contempt, the disdain, the ignorance, the lack of knowledge and respect for service. and you know, go back to the beginning of all of this. go back to 2015 when he was first asked about john mccain when he said he didn't think he was a hero. there's a throughline. we know that donald trump, who tries to wrap himself in all of these symbols of patriotism and support for the military, actually has thorough contempt for the actual men and women who serve. that he's willing to throw them under the bus in this particular way. so this is one of those questions, and the general asked us, i think, goes right to the

heart of it. two weeks from now, we're going to have an election. are the american people going to look at this man and say yes, let's put him back in power? are veterans going to say, yes, we trust this man to be the commander in chief? the only wr to your question about how that's even possible is do they know this story? now, i'm not being critical at all of general kelly for going on the record and confirming all this. but there's two weeks left. the stakes could not be higher. it's not enough just to give an interview. he needs to go on television. there needs to be ads. there needs to be a concerted effort to inform the american people about who this man is and what he thinks of them and what he is prepared to do for them. because it's not enough for you and i and all of us to talk about this. we're talking to the converted largely. there are millions of men and women who i think that if they knew these stories would be genuinely horrified if they knew

what donald trump said about that young woman, what he said about the missing in action, the way he reacts to p.o.w.s, and his loathing for the men and women who are willing to put their lives on the line to protect this country. i think that has to happen in the next 14 days. >> and the point, general eaton, is fox isn't going to tell them. and a lot of these people watch that, they watch right-wing media. they'll never hear about this. they won't be told it by the podcast they listen to, by their right wing media. they'll be locked out of this information. and yet, what i have read in jeffrey goldberg's piece is that he believes that when the george floyd protests happened, they should have been treated the way xi jinping used his military in tiananmen square. he believed the military should be used to shoot american citizens, to round up american citizens. he has no respect not just for the military but for the american people because he thinks so little of them that he thinks heel. just order his generals to

commit war crimes inside the united states. so i guess i'll ask you the same question. it's are there ways in which veterans and military folks, can know that vote vets is doing heroic work trying to do that, but how do we break through the wall of disinformation that is flooding our members of the united states military who may never, ever read this story? >> joy, in the mess halls, in the waiting rooms, in the company rooms, you see fox news. and if all you watch is fox news, you're not going to get the whole story, obviously. and when you talk to veterans, when you talk to active duty military and say, here are these serious points that i would like to make for you, they will immediately go to fact check what you just told them and find out that what you just told them is in fact true.

because their diet of fox news has turned them into fox news regurgitators, and it is, when you talk about breaking the information cycle and getting inside the news cycle that we have to do and mr. psychs is spot on, we have 14 days. and i can't tell the secretary of defense to immediately shut down fox news. but that is a serious issue. and trying to penetrate that is going to be left, right, word of mouth. family talking to family. >> charlie, you and i both worked in talk radio, and that is also sort of a closed loop. we would get right wing callers that i could argue with and that was fun, but that was a small number and percentage of the people listening when i was on and i'm sure you had the same thing on the other side. the reality is that everyone is in these closed circuits. where yes, the people watching this show are horrified and

disgusted. someone who is going to vote for trump who is a military veteran is going to say, but he loves us. and he hates them. >> well, he has contempt for them. he wants to use them. he has contempt for the values and the integrity and just the sense of honor of the u.s. military. all of that is completely alien to him. and i think that at some point you have to figure out a way, and again, this is above my pay grade, where you have these stories packaged in such a way that if i could show them, because we have had this discussion over and over and over again in recent weeks, my family and friends and others. how do you break through those information silos? what piece of information? and i do think that you have to, like, find a way to confront our fellow americans with this reality, because once they're confronted with it, and i'm here in wisconsin.

we're being absolutely inundated with ads about transgender athletes. >> that was trump's -- and by the way, i want to say this, it was trump's policy. for transgender people in the military. >> i want to see people on television in wisconsin and pennsylvania and michigan pounded with this story you have been talking about. >> absolutely. people need to get the fact. we have to find a way to break through. if you have to take clips of this and send it to your trumpy uncles, do what you have to do. general eaton, god bless the service of your father and family and yourself. i remember how proud i was when my brother made it through basic training. thank you and thank god for you and our friend charlie sykes, thank you, my friend. here we go, two weeks. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. up next, there has been a lot of chatter about elon musk offering people a million

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musk has continued doling out the million dollar checks. the doj confirmed to nbc news it has received a letter from a former doj official and former republican lawmakers urging an investigation into whether musk is violating a federal statute prohibiting paying people to register to vote. and perhaps worse is that over the weekend, musk yet again joked about the assassination of vice president kamala harris. and at a church, no less. >> i mentioned as a joke, i meant it as a joke. that no one is even bothering to try to kill kamala. you know, because there's no point. there's no point. just get another puppet. you know? so not suggesting someone should try to kill her. it's pointless. but i'm just saying, i'm just making an observation. nobody has bothered. why is that? because it doesn't matter. yeah. assassinating a puppet is

pointless. >> talking about the assassination of anyone, let alone the sitting vice president is not a joke. it's dark stuff, and something he's talked about multiple times since first posting about it and then deleting it last month. and he's not just another twitter troll. he's the owner of one of the world's largest online platforms, a u.s. defense contractor whose starlink system is being used in current wars and the chief animating force of the trump campaign at this point. beyond hitting the trail for trump, a musk backed group has largely taken over trump's ground operation, in crucial battleground states, even though as the guardian is reporting, some of those canvassers are faking their efforts. musk is also bank rolling the trump campaign, having invested $75 million in his pro-trump pac in just the last three months. and in a new fund-raising ad this morning, the campaign says musk will match every dollar that is raised from the ad. and if you wonder why musk would go to such lengths for a man who seems more interested in

speaking utthe genitalia of a dead golfer than provided actual policy, good question, and here's the answer. if trump were to win, he has said he would make musk part of his administration. leading a government efficiency commission. that means the man who has had over $15 billion in government contracts over the past decade including from the defense department and who is facing investigations and oversight from all corners of the government, could now be given oversight over those very agencies. it all fits into trump's talk of bringing the country back to the gilded age where a handful of the ultra wealthy acted like oligarchs running the country. in addition to musk, you have another tech billionaire, peter thiel, who has an ownership interest in trump's running mate, jd vance. it should scare us all that these billionaires would have unfettered access to trump and vance. and could operate them like marionettes should they win. joining me now is hugo lowell, senior political correspondent

for the guardian and anand, publisher of the newsletter, the ink, on substack. hugo, let me start with you. give me the extent of elon musk's involvement in and i guess you could say control over the trump campaign? >> it's really extensive. if you think about this election and how close it is, basically, the result is going to come down to turnout, and the entity that has the biggest presence on the ground is elon musk's america pac. as you noted in the intro there, the america pac is effectively doing the bulk of the trump campaign's groundwork, and the way i was thinking about it was he's basically put $75 million into the america pac operation and he basically now has a way to go back to trump regardless of what happens to say, it was all because of me. if trump wins, elon musk is going to have an outsized influence in trump's orbit in a way i don't think anyone else to date has had.

purely by virtue of the amount of money elon musk has spent here, and on the flip side, if trump doesn't win, he will have demonstrated to the republican party that he is basically enabled to become a king maker down the road, whether it's 2026, 2028, if there is a republican candidate that elon musk wants to back, he has shown through this cycle he has the means and the wherewithal to try to figure out how to do it. i think that's where we're headed with musk. >> you know, anand, neither peter thiel nor elon musk can run for president. they were both born in south africa, but they essentially have two-thirds of the control of a potential next president and vice president. between them and one other billionaire, they have given the bulk of the money donald trump is spending in this election and he's now also controlling their ground game. this strikes me as incredibly dangerous open oligarchy, but i want to get your thoughts. >> yeah, you know, you were talking in the last segment about how locked in people are

to their tribes and how hard it is to break through. but there's a lot of research about the only thing that does break through is actually explaining to people how they are manipulated. that does break through. i wrote a book about billionaires and how they run this country and the very clever methods they have used. let me break down the musk move. you have to understand and you can see that in the clip you showed, like a lot of men in silicon valley, this is a personally limited man. if he were in a room with you, he would be probably the least comfortable person in that room, just not particularly equipped at understanding people, when he makes comments about society, they just sound very high school, child, speculating about the world without having lived in it even though he's middle aged. he's also someone who lost a relationship with his daughter because he was so attached to his own ideas and his own ideology that he couldn't let her be who she became.

very few parents love some idea more than their own child, but this is the kind of limited man we're talking about. he's someone who is very disoriented by progress in the future. that's the billionaire. what they then do because there's a very small number of them in a democracy, it would be a problem, that they then need to get a bunch of human shields to associate their interests, their regular lunch bucket union stiff interests with that highly limited billionaire man. and the way they do that is by ginning up these issues of outrage, of culture, whatever, that somehow are meant to dupe spockly i think with elon musk, america's men, to come to their side. i just want to say very clearly to america's guys today listening to this, elon musk is betting that guys are so scared of the future that they're willing to set aside their own interests and sell the country to him rather than fight for it.

he wants america's men frankly to be his little bitches. he's being men can be duped to be more afraid of the future. even though there's actually so much promise in this country for men and everybody to build awesome things in the future, but he wants people to be so afraid of the future that your outsource your interests to him, you outsource the future to his deciding and maybe a couple other people. i actually don't think america's men want to be elon musk's little bitches. i actually don't think men who think of themselves as real men outsource the protection of their families to billionaires and what billionaires want, and are don't think real men who think of themselves in those terms outsource the care of their families to dictators. >> yeah. or to men who might have dementia. someone who is clearly cognitively declining is saying he's going to be women's protector, an adjudicated sexual abuser cannot be your protector. i want to get to that point, because it does seem the theory

of the case for the trump campaign is that they can run up the numbers with men, because they have to then backstop against the huge numbers of women who are registering and voting. >> i think that's right. you talk to trump advisers, and very rarely do they even mention about trying to broaden their coalition. the focus for months now, really since the rnc, has been trying to turn out white male voters. and you see this also on what they're doing in terms of targeting male ads and also in the ground game. they talk about trying to hit white male voters in places like arizona, in paul gosar's district. they think if we can get 5,000 to 10,000 more people to vote in paul gosar's district, which is ruby red, that might carry arizona. looking at the margins like that because they know they don't at this point have an ability to broaden the coalition. there's no appeal to nikki haley voters, no appeal to moderate republicans. this is we need to juice the

fringes and that's evident not just in what they're saying privately but also what their campaign strategy is publicly. >> last word to you, anand. the consequences of a country dominated by a small handful of billionaires who essentially own a completely -- a man with no experience as vice president, jd vance, who was one of their employees, peter thiel's employee, and the other is donald trump who will probably be hitting golf balls whale they run things, what would be the consequences for the rest of us. >> i want to speak to the consequences of the demographic hugo was talking about. white guys, moderate white guys in some of the states we're talking about. like you, i get to travel the country. i have a sense of what we're talking about. those are guys if your are going to generalize, who i think love the idea of politics not consuming their entire life. and actually love the idea of building things, creating things, having a sense of rugged

individualism where you go and make and do and we are not germany, we're not france. we're a country where if you have an idea, off to the races. if these guys win, your life is going to be engulfed whether you like it or not by politics. it's going to be engulfed by chaos and violence. your dreams of starting things, doing things, getting rich, making a life for you and your family, they will be engulfed in the flames of trump and musk. >> well said. hugo lowell, anand, thank you very much. i hope people will clip that and send it around. coming up, a much needed reality check on what trump's promises of mass deportation would actually look like. stay with us. we're so glad we got bulkamid. call this number, today. get your bladder back. teeth sensitivity is so common. it immediately feels like somebody's poking directly on the nerve. i recommend sensodyne. sensodyne toothpaste goes inside the tooth

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here is what donald trump has promised he will do if he becomes this country's president again. >> it is only common sense that when i'm re-elected we will begin and we have no choice, the largest deportation operation in american history. we have to clean out our country. we will put these vicious and blood thirsty criminals in jail or kick them out of the country. >> chilling rhetoric indeed, but let's talk about what that would actually look like. picture a family at home right now in the 7:00 hour eastern

standard time. 4:00 p.m. arizona time. they're having dinner sitting around the kitchen table eating can chatting. everything is normal. the dad is regaling his wife and kids about stories on the construction site, about how bill his supervisor insists on needling him about the deep accent he has despite being in the country for four decades, even though bill has a drawl despite having moved from alabama 20 years ago. mom tells the kids not to encourage dad by laughing at his corny jokes and the kids recount their day in school. the daughter about trying out for cheerleading and hoping she makes it on the skaud. the son about how challenging it is to balance football practice and chess club. then all of a sudden there's a knock at the door. it's insistent, not neighborly. the dad, whose name is jorge, though the guys at work call him j because they can't figure out the h sound, goes it the door

and asks who it is. he hears, national guard. open up. reluctantly, jorge cracks the door open. and half a dozen national guardsmen in camouflage uniforms backed by two border patrol officers push past him into the living room. they're all brandishing automatic rifles which are pointed at each member of the family. nobody move, the lead officer says. is there anyone in this house i should be worried about? no, sir, jorge says, shaking. it's just me and my wife and kids. we haven't done anything wrong. >> you're all going to need to sit down and i'm going to need to see your papers, the lead officer says. >> what papers, jorge asks, the papers that show you're legally in this country, birth certificate, passport, something like that and i need to see documents for every individual in this house. guns are drawn. so nobody moves. one person can go get everything, the officer says, clearly annoyed. he turns to the mom whose name is mare eella, you, go get it.

at this point, the kids are crying. she's sobbing too, and jorge is panicking inside, but there's nothing he can do. just do what he says, he tells hiwife. what papers? we don't have passports, she says. yeah, here's the problem. dad doesn't have any written proof that he's in this country legally. in fact, he might not be. his parents brought him here as a 10-year-old kid. and no one has passports, only about a third of american citizens have passports so why would they? if he did have his birthday certificate, it would say mexico, mariella's says venezuela. still, she grabs what she can. with her hands trembling, she hands the lead officer the kids' birthday certificates. the daughter and son were born in los angeles. but that's not good enough. before long, mariella, jorge, and their kids are loaded in the back of a van. when they climb in the back, they find themselves seated

unbuckled and zip tie handcuffed beside a dozen other latinos and two black families wondering where they're being taken. after hours in the van, they're unloaded at a military style camp. they're given gray uniforms to wear and are separated. the women are told to go to the women's barracks, after about a week, they have yet to be able to talk to each other, but jorge was allowed one phone call. he called bill. but bill can't help him. all he can do is verify his employment but not that he's legally allowed to be in america. in fact, bill is freaking out too. the trump/vance administration is accusing him of harboring and hiring illegals, and he can't afford to be in trouble. his daughter lisa is 17 and pregnant after a sexual assault. her freshman year in college in florida. and he needs to get her to mexico in secret for an abortion.

eventually, an official looking man sits jorge down and explains to him what's going to happen. he and mariella are going to be deported and since the trump/vance administration is challenging birth right citizenship, they're planning to deport the kids too, despite them being born in the u.s. the official says they might consider letting juliana stay if jorge can find a willing relative since she's still in the age range to get pregnant and have american kids. and by the way, he might want to know that bill has been arrested for harboring illegals and his daughter has been detained on suspicion of conspiracy to abort her unborn child. so jorge shouldn't bother calling bill again. now, i know this sounds like a horrifying netflix halloween drama, but it could be america, this time next year, if donald trump and jd vance and project 2025 take control of this country and trump implemented his mass deportation plan and vance and project 2025 impose a

national abortion ban. because this is what those policies actually look like. this is what america could look like, which is why the election that will be finalized just 15 days from now is so important. up next, i'll talk to someone who knows a lot about the fear of that knock on the door. actor george takei, an american who spent years in internment camps on u.s. soil during world war ii. etsy.

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it's an american myth, the united states as an icon of hope, opportunity, and the enduring quest for freedom and justice for the tired, the poor, the huddled masses reaching our shores. the reality is our history with immigration is a little more complicated. there was the chinese exclusion act of 1882 which prohibited the immigration of chinese laborers. the immigration acts of the 1920s, which limited southern and eastern europeans and excluded asians altogether. then in the 1930s, when the u.s. turned away ships carrying jewish refugees fleeing nazi persecution. or in the 1940s, when an executive order by president franklin d. roosevelt resulted in the internment of more than 100,000 japanese americans. like i said, it's complicated. and even before all of those pieces of legislation or executive orders, there was the alien act of 1798, which authorized the president to

arbitrarily deport any non-citizen who was determined to be dangerous. it's an act that trump has increasingly highlighted as something he would like to bring back, part of his authoritarian approach to latinos. >> i will invoke the alien enemies act of 18 -- no, of 1798. 1798. think of that. 1798. that's when we had real politicians that said we're not going to play games. we have to go back to 1798. >> the disgraced former president was in florida today courting the latino vote and taking part in a latino roundtable where instead of focusing on policy that might impact the community, he spent his time criticized vice president harris and receiving prayers from those in attendance with one pastor declaring god's hand is on this man. joining me is maria teresa kumar, and actor, arth, and activist george takei. in the previous block, what i

wanted to try to do is kind of dramatize what mass deportation and what that knock on the door and dragging someone into an internment camp looks like. but you have actually experienced this, so can you please talk about what that experience was like for you as a child? >> well, i had just turned 5 years old. i became 5 on april 20th, 1937. and on that morning in may, my father, henry, my brother, a year younger, and we were -- he told us to wait in the living room. and there's nothing to do. my brother and i were just gazing out the front window, when suddenly, we saw two soldiers marching up our driveway, carrying rifles with

shiny bayonets on them. they stomped up the front porch, and with their fists began banging on the door. henry and i were terrorized. my father came out of the bedroom where he and my mother were packing, opened the door, and the soldiers said, you ready? get your family out of this house. my father said, i need five more minutes. my wife is still packing. and he said five minutes. and my father went back. came out with two boxes, one for henry and one for me to carry. went back and came out carrying two heavy suitcases. and said and one of the two soldiers had gone back to the bedroom. my parents bedroom and he escorted my mother out. and when she emerged from the front door, she had a baby sister in one arm. a heavy duffel bag in the other

and tears were streaming down her cheeks. the horror, the terror of that morning is seared into my memory. my 5-year-old memory. i am 87 years old, but it is still vivid in my memory. >> and this was at a time when japanese-americans were deemed the enemy within, because we were at war with the empire of japan, so these were americans, but because of their ancestry they were decided that they were enemies. donald trump is taking the same approach to venezuelans, to haitians, and more broadly to latinos, because i'm not sure how he and stephen miller secret police are going to tell somebody who is from columbia, versus venezuela, they won't be able to tell. american citizens. talk a little bit about that and how aware are members of the latino community as you're

talking to them? how aware are they that donald trump wants to do to them what was done to george takei and his family? >> george, thank you for sharing that story. it brought tears to my eyes because it reminded me of the day donald trump was elected. we are a voter organization. the day after he was elected, we started getting phone calls and emails from parents who are undocumented, asking us if power attorney for their children to their neighbor was enough to safeguard them. what george is describing was the experience of millions of latinos in this country under trump. you can recall, we saw online tv where there were drag nets of police officers that would wait outside kids schools, trying to drag kids out of the classrooms because they were suspected of being undocumented. this happened in brooklyn to a fourth-grader. what george is describing his recent history right now for a huge community.

we know better and the challenge with trump is that he actually now understands how the system works. he now understands how the judge works, because he basically put all of his judges at the local and federal level. he has told us what he is going to do and as americans we need to take every single thing seriously. he wants to deport 11 million folks who are undocumented. to give an example a whole population in federal prison was 1.2 million people. so he is trying to not only create chaos, but he is trying to divide us, because to your point, we don't know who is american, but we do know that he wants to use white nationalism to divide us because or multiculturalism is absolutely our strength. >> my godmother is an american citizen, but if you listen to her it sounds like she just came from jamaica. she has a thick accent. people with accents, people are brown, people who are asian american. he is essentially saying some

border patrol agent will be able to tell based on accent or some other factor who is american and they get to decide and this happened before, under eisenhower. american citizens. i would love for you to talk about what it feels like to be an american and be told you are not? >> my family, my grandparents was the immigrant generation. my mother was born in florin, california. today it is part of sacramento, but she was born in sacramento and she had to go to a segregated school for latino and agent children and a separate and far superior school for white kids. my grandparents were in farming. my paternal grandfather was a journalist at a japanese- american newspaper in san

francisco. trump is reliably uninformed and completely confused. he compared our imprisonment, innocent american citizens who had nothing to do with pearl harbor, with people who voluntarily came to the capitol, armed with guns and assaulted our capitol. right after pearl harbor, many young japanese-americans, like all americans, rushed to recruitment centers to volunteer to serve in the u.s. military. this act of patriotism was a slap in the face. and categorizes enemy alien, arbitrarily. >> and this is what would happen again. last word, too. how do we get people to know

this, because the information silos are so hard to break through? >> one, what we are doing right now. every american needs to talk about mass deportation, because it is not just a policy, it is a culture they want to create. we translated project 2025 into spanish and we are promoting it, because there is not enough coverage. part is like how do you break through, but we are talking about what we are as americans. thank you, joy, for having us. you promised it last week, you more than delivered and i am so grateful. >> we have 15 days and we will make sure this message gets out. maria teresa kumar, my dear friend and george takei, god bless you. thank you so much for always being willing to tell your story. i know it is difficult to do and we so appreciate it. we will be right back. back.

i'm a lifelong republican and i voted for trump twice, but i can't do it again. trump wants a national sales tax on imported goods. it'll make everything more expensive for regular people, all while giving tax breaks to billionaires. you're rich as hell. we're going to give you tax cuts. kamala harris is for regular people. she wants a tax cut for 100 million americans,

so we keep more of our hard-earned money. i'm a proud republican, but this year, i'm voting for kamala harris. ff pac is responsible for the content of this ad.

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