do you think that is where it stops? >> well, what they said in that opinion was, we are not expediting things. so, we can talk about it after the election. because, yeah, it means that the rules were in place before this board acted are going to be the rules that apply in georgia, and they are the roles that were the republican governor, republican secretary of state want to apply, so i don't think we have a problem at the top there in georgia, except with this board appeared >> rick hazen, who is on top of all of this, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. that is "all in" on this tuesday night. "alex wagner tonight" live from pennsylvania, starts right now. good evening, we are coming to you live tonight from philadelphia yards brewing company right here in battleground pennsylvania. [ applause ] a state that may well decide this entire election, which is an

unbelievable two weeks from today. yes, november 5th is not yet here, but voting is very much underway in the keystone state. more than 1 million votes have already been cast, according to the university of florida election lab. yesterday marked the final day that pennsylvanians could register to vote in the 2024 election. as of that deadline, the state has 3,971,000 registered democratic voters, which is down slightly from 2020, and it has 3,673,000 registered republican voters, which is slightly up from 2020. we are going to talk about those numbers in just a second. now, the polls here show pennsylvania locked in a dead heat, and since both campaigns consider this a must win state, that means any single vote here could end up being the deciding

one. with that reality, both campaigns are engaged in a battle at the margins. that means that instead of just trying to turn out voters in places where they do well, like red counties for trump and blue strongholds for harris, both campaigns are waiting -- wading into enemy territory. they are both going to places where the other candidate is winning, and trying to turn out a handful of people who don't vote the way the rest of their community does. for trump, that means turning out a handful of his supporters in urban centers, where harris is poised to win big. for harris, that means turning out democrats who live in rural parts of the state, where the majority of voters favor trump. it's about getting those lonely democrats in red counties to come out of the woodwork, to stick together, and to vote. it is an effort that looks a lot like this. >> john fetterman! [ cheers and applause ] >> this is crazy! this is crazy! woo hoo!

wow! oh, thank you. oh -- oh, there we go. all right! i want people to understand, outside of these kinds of counties, that it is difficult, at times, to be a dem in red pennsylvania! and that's one of the reasons why i am here, to honor all of you, and to salute you, for what you are doing -- and it is never going to be about turning the county blue on a map. it is going to be talking about jamming it up, jamming it up for the republicans, so that is why they can scale and win pennsylvania. and the magic is in the margins. it is never going to be about your own county being the right color. it is about making sure pennsylvania goes blue, because you in this room, we pick the president.

[ cheers and applause ] >> on saturday, i traveled with senator and harris campaign surrogate, john fetterman. we went to school county, pennsylvania, where he is literally the tip of the spear, and democrats battled to peel off votes in trump country. in the last two presidential elections, trump beat both joe biden and hillary clinton in school county by a more than 2:1 margin. but, again, the harris campaign isn't looking to win the county in 2024, they are just trying to turn out every single democratic photo they can in schuylkill county to add to the total number of democratic votes statewide. to give you a sense of what that means, in 2016, trump won schuylkill county by 43 points, helping him carry the entire state by less than a percentage point. in 2020, 20 -- trump won schuylkill county by around four points, but that slightly smaller margin, winning the

points -- county by three points less than he did in 2016, was a difference maker. trump lost the state of pennsylvania by 1.2%, about 80,000 votes. so, you can see how cutting into trump's margins across a number of pro-trump counties could be the key to a democratic victory. a couple hundred votes in schuylkill, a couple hundred elsewhere, it all adds up. let's talk about the math for a minute. biden did marginally better, i think by a couple hundred votes in this county, then clinton did in 2016, and it sounds like the strategy at this point is, shave off a couple hundred votes in these counties across the state that she is not going to win, but together, those votes, statewide, or the margin of victory? >> absolutely. it is absolutely so crucial on that, and that is what i have

been trying to say. if you add an extra 500 votes, or 1000 votes against this kind, you know, stack it, stack it, stack it, stack it, and that is the margin, as well, too. i am telling everybody, you could be a so-called "expert," and they have been wronged throughout this, the entire time. but, if anybody has a quarter here, i can now predict who is going to win. and it is like, okay, you know, you don't need to be an expert to call eight -- a coin toss. it is going to be so close, and i am not here to worry. i am here to say, like, i am motivated, and i am committed to making the arguments in rooms just like schuylkill, where i am in, right now. >> we are seeing a new sort of phenomenon emerge here, which is working class, lower income, urban and rural voters are increasingly going to the republican party, and democrats have much more of a monopoly on

affluent, educated voters. does that concern you, in terms of the broader trends for the party? >> again, it is not so much of a concern, it is a reality of where we are at. we have to fight for every last vote. it is like, people vote for what they happen to believe, and that is why it is going to be close, but i fundamentally do believe that a majority of people will decide that they don't want to go back to that mess. you have met a lot of people who are definitely voting for trump, but that is why -- you know, it is not about trying to figure it out at this point. it is just a matter of, hey, let's do everything that we can. >> now, senator fetterman is right, being a democrat in schuylkill county seems difficult, but the democrats i met this weekend were enthusiastic that although it might be lonely, they are not alone. here is what they had to say about harris support in trump county. >> do you think there are more democrats for trump then there will be republicans for harris

here? >> i definitely think there is a fitted number with democrats. >> a majority? >> yeah. i just know from canvassing, there are women that are married to trump supporters that are not speaking about it, but are going to be voting for, love. and there is a lot of fear to present yourself -- you get weird looks, as people drive by, or what have you. you get harassed at like, family gatherings. but, there are those people that are still going to go to the voting polls, and they are still going to casper kamala. >> does it matter when fetterman comes here and sort of tries to rally the crowd? >> i think it is nice to just come to these things and feel that sense of community. these are the most important things. they are talking to the casual republicans or the independent voters, and fact checking some of the beliefs that they have, and having those honest but friendly conversations. i know, personally, there are a

few people in my life that i have pushed to the kamala side, because they just needed something to clarify. so, there's a lot of misinformation. >> were you here for 2020? >> yeah. >> so, biden did a little bit better than clinton in schuylkill county, and obviously the state, that is how he won it. >> yeah. >> you think harris could improve upon the marches that he had? >> my gut feeling is telling me that, yes, that is happening. and the reason why i think that is happening is because of we are seeing people come in, and have an attitude adjustment. like, i was a republican, but i can't vote that way anymore. but now, they can, and they are requesting it and that feels good. that feels good. i mean, vote! >> so, you are a republican. >> i am a registered

republican, yes. >> but, you are at a democratic event for kamala harris? >> i am, because i vote people, not party. >> i assume that means you are voting for kamala harris? >> absolutely. i cannot vote for someone for whom i do not have respect, in terms of trump. she is trustworthy, she is working for the middle class. i really, really think she has a good message for the american people. >> do you feel like there are more republicans, like you, who are just tired of trump? >> i am hoping that there are a lot of people like me who are going to crawl out of the woodwork. i am really hoping that. but, i live in a very, very rural community. my husband and i are totally in the minority, we definitely keep our mouth shut. if we see a trump sign, it is like, oh, here is that there, but -- >> what about the harassed signs? >> i see more of them now. >> you do? >> and i didn't see them before. >> you know what? we need those. we need to get a plane and carry harris and walz, in the

skyline. >> you heard it here first. >> yes! >> so, harris supporters are circling up, but they are not the only ones fighting this battle at the margins. trump supporters are doing the same in deep blue parts of the state, like philadelphia. over the weekend, i attended a meeting of the self-described black republican club of philadelphia and asked that group of trump supporters what they expect to happen. >> i believe trump is going to win, because first off, when people say bad things about him, where does that affect us down here? that doesn't affect our neighborhoods. it has never affected our neighborhoods. we don't even get to see everything that goes on, at that level. >> we know that he is going to win, because he is the best for america. he is worried about our economy. >> the violence is high, the schools are bad, we could go on and on. when democrats have been in charge for 40 years.

>> we are voting for donald trump, unequivocally, period. nobody else is going to persuade us. we are two weeks out, and we won't sleep until november 6. >> so, who are you voting for? >> yes, i am voting trump. >> tell me why? >> he is more strong, strong- minded in a way. he is focused on what we have to focus on. he doesn't play. that is what i respect from him. >> he doesn't play? >> he doesn't play. he stands for what he believes and he doesn't go back, no matter how many people are criticizing him -- nothing. >> he doesn't take bs. he is not going to hear it. he is a businessman. he is not here for the fluff talk of politics. we need someone strong. we need someone who is going to get down to business, and take care of what this country needs. but, also understands what the community needs. >> the thing is, we were scared in the beginning, because he said he is going to nuke korea, and he is going to nuke iran, but he didn't do that. he didn't do that. the stock market went up, and

-- >> the stock market is pretty up right now, to point >> well, you know, the thing is -- because there was no inflation back then. democrats take granted, especially minorities. especially they take for granted, because they believe that republicans are so out of touch with the needs of minorities, but they don't have any choice. and i think that is going to be a big surprise. >> you got pockets, that there is an energy for mr. trump in the city, but a lot of people just walking down the street, they are not feeling the democrats from time to time, not sure if they are going to vote for trump. >> yeah. >> they may not vote at all. the black men that don't vote for democrats, it is not what mr. trump did, it is what they have been disappointed with. i am not a dedicated republican. i'm voting for the lasso of two evils this time, being mr. donald trump. >> i also asked those voters about vice president harris and how they view her candidacy.

>> what are your feelings -- and let me start with the women here -- about kamala harris. >> she is a woman of color, i am not putting her down because of that, and i am not putting her down because she is a woman. i'm not a feminist, so i am sorry. but, at the end of the day, i don't think she has the personality -- i don't think that she has what it takes to go up against putin, and go up against these other president's that are built for this. i don't want to be scared because my president is scared. i want my president to feel secure, and manly about it. >> we brought of gender, right? do you think it matters that she is a woman, and people aren't comfortable having a woman in a top leadership role? >> no, i don't think that, because most men, they love their mothers, they love their wives. so, as a woman, most men, they respect the woman, but she just doesn't have the qualifications or the education to really run america, because she don't have

the experience. she don't understand our struggles. and for me to believe you for another four years, you are crazy. like, you are crazy. you are saying the same thing that you said four years ago. >> so, the fact that she is the vice president to you, you are like you have been here, you have had a chance. >> yes! >> well, for me, the first time i ever heard the name kamala harris, it was in association to locking up parents for truancy. that was the first time i ever heard of her name, and i really didn't understand how this person claims to be a black woman, but yet she is locking up black women and black men, and separating families. >> this is a thing -- trump talks about this a lot. he says, you know, kamala harris became black when it was convenient. >> yep. >> can you talk to me about --

do you agree with him on that? do you feel like she is wearing her blackness? >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. when she was sworn into the senate, it was the first indian american. which, that's fine, we don't care. we all know she is not black. >> let's understand that. we are all clear of that. but, my point of view that i told you earlier, she has already been there. she is in office right now. >> now, to be clear, the voters i spoke with here are not representative of black voters in philadelphia as a whole. black voters are excited to support kamala harris by wide margins this election. the question is how many voters from this county can donald trump pick off? to that end, i asked these black republicans about what part of trump's message is resonating. >> were you guys all -- do you all know who you are voting for in november? you are all voting for trump? >> yeah, of course. >> okay, is there one issue that you think trump is hands

down better on, is there one issue driving your support? >> absolutely, for me, it is immigration. i, myself, come from an immigrant family, i am guatemalan. for us, seeing the new immigrants come in, it is just -- they are more violent, it is more chaos, they do more bad than anything, and we, we have been here for longer than them, and it is starting to affect us more, because stuff is getting stolen, they are making us look bad, as immigrants and we stayed longer than them, and we has been getting more misrepresentation because of them. >> what you think of the suggestion of mass deportation camps? >> i think it is a little bit iffy. i wouldn't say i would support it wholeheartedly, but i do think it is a good idea for the new immigrants coming in, because they are the problem. >> the part that is driving me crazy about immigration, is the fact that i feel, and i really do feel, that the democrats is celebrating people breaking the law. why create the law, create a whole process for immigration, for y'all to break it? >> trump says, like, they're coming to take your jobs, black jobs. how did that resonate with you? >> well, first of all, they

are. they are illegal aliens, they are taking jobs that belong to the citizens of this country. it is just the fact that trump is saying it out loud. that is why the fact that we rally around, behind trump, because at the end of the day, this is the stuff we have been shouting out as a community. >> i was born and raised in haiti. >> you are haitian? >> that is correct. >> so, what you think about all of this talk about springfield and haitian seating pets? does that bother you? >> that is a red herring. that is a red herring! >> it's the truth. >> you guys are coming in with red herrings. >> what do you mean? >> it is a red herring. >> he didn't say that? >> i'm not saying he didn't say it, but it is a nonissue. on talking about the policies that have been put in place. now, we are talking about red herrings, what is transgender, eating cats and dogs, it is silly. >> i agree with the idea of mass deportation, largely. you have criminals in this country who are destroying our nation, they are coming in here, getting earmarked bills, and policies to open up

businesses, get free housing, get access, easier access than those who are legally immigrated to this country to welfare and other benefits. so, like, as a taxpayer, we have to pay for these guys to have luxuries of life, and we don't get anything. especially black americans, who have suffered so much in the system under democrats. we don't get anything. that's insane. you talk about springfield, ohio, and the whole thing with the fluff talk of grabbing the sound bite about haitians, or whatever, eating cats and dogs, y'all are trying to change the narrative of what he is really talking about. change the narrative of really what we are talking about, and telling us, that is what we should be discussing. no, this here, this is what we are discussing. this here, this is america, and this is what america is about, and what we are discussing. >> for the record, multiple studies have shown that undocumented migrants are statistically less likely to commit violence than american

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much. >> 100 -- 100%. but, it all matters and these votes all add up, and multiply that by 56, 57, that is -- you know, the magic is in the margins. >> yeah. >> and that is the tool that allows republicans to scale, or the other way, for democrats, we can jam it up. >> right. jim up the margins. >> the magic is in the margin, at least that is what i think. >> jamming the margins. that is the story here, and the commonwealth of pennsylvania, where it really does appear to be a battle of inches, maybe even quarter inches. joining me now are pennsylvania's lieutenant governor, austin davis, and john favreau, former obama head speechwriter and cohost of the indispensable "pod save america." gentlemen, it is so good to

have you here to make sense of what is happening. lieutenant governor, so, i was at a federman campaign event, a harris campaign event, where it was kind of an organized, concerted effort to get democrats in red county to come out and vote for harris. i was also at an event with trump supporters, which was more sort of impromptu, it was self-directed, if you will, it was not something that trump campaign organized. so, in one hand, do you think in this battle to peel off of voters, harris needs more organized, more focus? but, the emotional draw of trump is undeniable, and if you heard that sound we played in the last segment, i wonder if you think maybe democrats made in this calculation in feeling overly confident in the harris campaign structure and organization, when trump has so much emotional weight to his argument, that is drawing people in, impromptu? >> i think it is quite the opposite. i think democrats recognize that this election is going to be close, which is why the harris campaign is running the biggest presidential

organization in pennsylvania. in our history. we have opened field offices in places like lancaster, places like that where democrats traditionally don't compete in, because they are expecting every person's vote. whether you are in a big city like philadelphia here, or a small world community in schuylkill county. they are competing for every single vote on the field. >> john, you know, when i was out in the field -- i guess i'm still out in the field -- everybody kept talking about lawn signs, and one of the stories of democratic optimism about how harris might do is the number of harris yard signs compared to the trump yard signs. i just wonder, anecdotally, in your courses, like as an organizer and someone who follows politics, is that a valid measure? should we be looking at something like that as a real expression of voter enthusiasm? >> i don't know. i mean, i don't think the campaigns are counting yard signs. i think they have a little bit

more sophisticated data. and so, i rely on the campaigns to figure that out more than lawn signs, but it can't hurt to put a lawn sign out if you are enthusiastic about your candidate. >> i do wonder, john, what you think of this sort of emotional weight of the trump argument. you know, i was so struck by those voters that we talked to in the last segment, the immigration stuff that i think a lot of people see as offputting, racist, xenophobic, maybe unconstitutional, clearly is something they are embracing and these are black voters in philadelphia. what was your reaction to that? >> yeah, i mean, look, you should never bet against donald trump's turnout, right? like, his voters, the people who like donald trump, and all those people that you talked to, they are trump supporters, republicans, it seems like they have supported him before, at least some of them. they are going to turn out. so, i think to democrats in kamala harris' campaign, they have factored that into their calculations.

i also think that like, the opposition to donald trump and to maga politics is one of the most powerful forces in american politics and has been since he has been president, so i also think you will get very, very high turnout on the democratic side, as well. i think this is going to come down to some undecided voters, persuadable voters, who don't necessarily sound like the voters you spoke to, don't necessarily sound like harris supporters that you spoke to, either. but, you know, they definitely -- they will say similar things to what you heard in that focus group, in that they don't know who is looking out for them, they want to find out who was going to take care of them, who is going to improve their lives tangibly, and i think at this stage in the campaign, what moves persuadable voters is an attempt to be two things. new information, and information that tangibly impacts their lives, either positively or negatively. so, do they know that donald trump wants to slap a 20% tax on a ton of things that they buy? like, everything that is important. do they know that kamala harris wants to build 3 million you -- new homes and rental units, to make housing more affordable? right? so, these are the pieces of information that both campaigns

are going to want to be communicating in these final weeks, to move those persuadable voters off the fence. >> yeah, well, lieutenant governor davis, you know, one of the things that struck me is how much there is this perception that democrats are becoming, or are the party of elites, and no longer care about the working class. and you are hearing pollsters and strategists were looking at the numbers, saying increasingly what you are seeing is a potential realignment of voter preferences where, you know, republicans -- through trump -- have positioned themselves, whether authentically or not, as a party that is more interested in the concerns of the working class. and i wonder if you think that is actually happening in a state like pennsylvania, and what the democrats can do about it, given the asymmetry of how much the democratic party

cares, and has enacted policies that do help the working class. >> yeah, look, i fundamentally do not think that is true. i will lean on my own experience. i am the proud son of a union bus driver and hairdresser. literally, my dad is driving a pittsburgh transit regional bus today to help folks get to where they need to go. i would encourage you to look at the election that josh shapiro and i ran and won here in pennsylvania in 2022. we were able to bring together a coalition of working-class folks to win by 15 points, winning places like beaver,, close to even winning a place like lancaster in cumberland county, winning dauphin county, places that democrats hadn't won. so, i don't think that is an assessment of the entire democratic party. i think we have proven here in pennsylvania that we can bring people together, democrats, republicans, and independents, to get things done. i think you will see some of that coalition come together for kamala harris in the final two weeks, and fair out the results of the election. >> you know, john, i was struck by the number of folks who are admittedly leaning more towards trump, with that anti-trans ad

he is running in the closing stage of the race, and talking about the migrants, and just how much that sort of vitriol and that fear has translated into a feeling that the democratic party is somehow anti-masculine, anti-american. i mean, again, i don't think that is true, i don't think the record shows that to be true, but i am struck by how potent that image, and that thinking is, and whether in fact it might realign the parties, among working-class americans. are you worried about that? >> look, trump has been successful over the last decade at using vitriol, and fear, and hate, to try to pit people against each other, and that ad that you are referencing, that kamala harris is for they/them. it is not just about transgender issues -- even though that is what the ad is about -- but, the message they are trying to send is, she is for people who are not you. and i think the best way to respond to that is, you know -- and kamala harris is saying this in her speeches -- we all want safe communities. we all want opportunity. we all want freedom to make our

own decisions about our bodies and our healthcare. no matter what we look like, no matter where we come from. and donald trump is trying to divide us and pit us against each other. why? because he wants power, and he wants to help his rich friends. and what kamala harris wants to do is to help everyone, no matter where you live, and no matter what you look like. and that is where this country is at its best. so, i do think that you have got to take on the vitriol, and the hate, and the division head on, and you also have to talk about -- you have to ascribe motivation to it. why is donald trump doing this? why is he trying to pit us against each other? he is not trying to help you, he is trying to help himself. so, i think that is what her message has been and i think she will probably hammer that even harder in these final two weeks. >> austin, lieutenant governor davis, you know, i want to ask you about these registration numbers, as we talked about the enthusiasm and where this race is going. right? yesterday was the final day to register in your state. the number of registered democratic voters has dropped 211,000 from the year 2020, the number of registered republican

voters has increased 150,000 from 2020. do those numbers were you, as a democrat? >> no, they don't worry me. if you look, they are pretty much on par for where the state is. they are pretty much even. we know that pennsylvania is very much a purple state. we know this election is going to be close. so, i think those are just representative of where our commonwealth is, ideologically. you have seen in races across the commonwealth that republicans have voted for democrats, democrats have voted for republicans. so, i think that is just the nature of being a swing state. >> that is spoken like someone who lives here and has to deal with the dynamics of this state on a daily basis. pennsylvania's lieutenant governor, austin davis, it is good to see you, sir. i know you have a busy schedule and i really appreciate your time here. and john favreau, thank you, my friend, for joining me on this special, special night. appreciate your time. coming up, what the black and latino men that kamala

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we are back! with 14 days until election day, vice president kamala harris -- potentially the first female president --

remains locked in a fierce battle with the former president, today found liable for sexually abusing a woman. this fault line of his election has come into sharp relief, it is about gender. now, democrats have been losing ground among a key voting block, men of color, particularly black men, for years. the polls show that erosion will likely worsen this november, it is something president barack obama has repeatedly called out. earlier this month, obama asked blackman in pittsburgh if they just aren't feeling the idea of having a woman as president. but, it is not just black men. young white men, especially those without a college degree, overwhelmingly support trump, and trump has expanded his outreach to non-college- educated black and latino men, as well. yesterday, i spoke to a group of black men at kenny's barbershop in west philadelphia about the issue that might decide this election, gender. >> obama made remarks on the

campaign trail, he was at a stop -- >> pittsburgh. >> pittsburgh, right. he said, i think there are some others out there who are on the fence and they are saying it is because of this or that -- i am paraphrasing here -- but, it is because they have a problem electing a woman as president, and they are making excuses, basically, for that. but, that is the issue and black women have gotten our backs for so long, they have raised us up, you know, they have helped us out, and it is time for you to show out for kamala. and i just wonder, for anybody who heard that, what they thought of that? >> i was deeply offended. i was deeply offended. and it felt like a moment where it is like, you and words better get in line and do what i say. and it felt like him, as the czar of the democratic party, coming down to say, go get these and words in line. and the general tone of it was disgusting. it was abhorrent. i don't respect it, i don't like nothing about it. and kamala, two days after that is like, we love our black men,

we have programs and things we are going out for them, and she is rolling out policy. >> good cop, bad cop. >> well, i'm tired of the good cop, bad cop. >> black men have to be there for black women in the same way that black women have always been there for us, as single parents, all of that and more. and what he is trying to -- what he was ultimately trying to say, by not voting for kamala harris over basically somebody that is a clown, it is almost like a general disrespect point >> well, she is not the only person -- >> as people who, every day, all day long, we are having conversations across this city, in all these states -- i was having conversations last thursday, there was a young man just turned 18, he got registered to vote, went and voted after the conversation, but he led his conversation with, "i can't vote for kamala because women are emotional." and many young men -- so, we, all of us here, grown men -- >> that is one 18-year-old -- >> it is not one.

you are missing the point. >> women are discriminated against. our men as athletes, treated as objects, women are paid less. we can't act like women are treated the same -- wait, hold on. we can't act like there is not some truth in what he is saying. >> i mean, michelle obama gave barack a lot of credibility. because if he had marched a white woman across the stage, he would still be in chicago. so, it is a lot -- barack had characteristics that gave him out. it is easier -- she is mixed, she has a dicey history, they have pictures of her glamorous. she looks good. and you know what they say, they give her the dumb blonde energy. it is much easier to get your jokes off. everybody cracking up, thinking it is funny, laughing. when it is easier to get your jokes off, it just is. it is unfortunate that we grew up in a culture where those of the sort of things that we talk

about. >> well, trump is eating into the democrats lead with black voters but the men i spoke to were quick to point out that black men, young and old, still overwhelmingly support harris. the real issue, they say, lies with other voting blocs. >> so, i know everybody said that black men is the biggest shift in numbers -- i hope i am wrong, but i am calling full [ bleep ] on that. i don't believe it. polls say polls, all of that stuff can say what you can say, but when it is time to go vote, right, like, every year, it is us. we are not the issue, but we became the issue, after trump made a play for us, when nobody was talking about us. but, at the same time, we can't pretend that it hasn't become a popular talking point among black men in media, who feel like they want to be provocative, and drive up their lights, and things like that. like, charlemagne is in the commercial. he is in the commercial, talking [ bleep ] about kamala. and it is cool, but it is like -- it is popular, and we have

to recognize that. >> antonio brown. >> antonio brown. it is popular. people calling her a talking about her history, and it is like, when i walk into a barbershop and i hear people saying these things, i am like, you are bugging, dog, what does that have to do with anything? >> if the goal is to win the race, [ bleep ], we have to put some pressure on white women, bro. we have to put pressure on the latino community, you know what i'm saying? >> well, as it concerns the latino community, i joined victor martinez, the allentown- based radio host, with a massive latino listenership, and i joined him live in studio where i got to speak to voters directly about whether kamala harris' gender might guide their decisions at the ballot box. >> let's see what the people have to say. >> let's hear it. >> hello. >> kamala harris being a female kind of concerns me a little bit. she is still going to get my vote, but she still concerns me a little bit, because over the generations, and years of our lives, i have never really seen a woman -- you know, other

than kelly clayson when she ran to become the president -- but, i am a little bit concerned about, you know, the fact that -- would she be able to run this country, the way a male has done over the decades? would she be able to stand on her own two feet, and sort of deal with the situations that we have with putin, and so many other president's outside of this country, and other countries that have such a great relationship with donald trump? >> first of all, she is a strong woman, she is a prosecutor -- work on x prosecutor, she became a state senator -- she is very strong on her policies and she strands strong. my fear, our leaders of the united states looking at her like she is a woman? i don't think that is a problem because she knows how to negotiate. >> i just feel that because she is a woman, i fear she is going

to be treated different -- which i don't think is right. but, i feel that is going to happen a lot. >> do you have friends who are not going to vote for her because she is a woman? >> i lot of coworkers, a lot of people around here, just because she is a woman, or she doesn't know where she is going. and i am like, i mean -- a woman is a woman and a man is a man. it just doesn't matter. as long as you know what you are doing, it doesn't really matter. >> this listener is writing on facebook that the reason we get those calls for people who are scared is because they hear from the media, and they hear from trump, how weak, as a country, we are. "we are weak." "we are weak." >> yeah. >> so, that together, with a female -- >> right. >> the perception that females

are weaker than men point >> that is fascinating. that is a super fascinating point. >> i mean, the phones are ringing and people want to talk about it. i can tell you, i have been doing this for 30 years, i have worked in different markets. the level of engagement from the latino community, like this, wanting to talk about, wanting to express themselves, wanting to participate, i have never seen it to this level. >> interesting. >> i will go even further. i will dare to say, at least within the latino community, that people are more engaged now than when obama was running. i think it is the drama. >> the drama. >> with latinos, would like that -- >> one of a tele-nova. >> i will leave you with this, you hear a lot of latino been being macho, "oh, yeah, i like trump." i would like to see how many of those latino men are influenced by their wife, and by their daughters. >> or, their mothers. >> me, latinos, love to say that we are the boss and we are the man, but seriously, how

many wives and how many daughters are going to look at their husband, and their father, on election day, or when it is time to vote -- >> and say "are you serious?" >> exactly. say, "don't you dare." "are you serious?" and again, from the mouth out, and from the door out, there are, yeah, yeah. but, inside, once you are in with your wife, once you are in with your daughters, how many of those guys are going to be influenced by them? >> in an effort to focus on exactly the phenomenon that victor martinez is describing there, the harris campaign recently launched this ad. it is part of harris' $3 million spanish-language radio campaign. >> [ speaking in a non-english language ] >> [ speaking in a non-english language ] >> president biden five >> president biden five >> trent 25 coming up, philadelphia council member isaiah thomas

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voters as possible and earn their vote. >> in a sitdown interview today with hallie jackson, vice president harris rejected the implication that sexism is the cause of that massive gender gap in the presidential race. on the ground, the harris campaign is focusing its efforts to woo black and latino men to close the gap as much as possible before november fifth. trinity now is councilmember isaiah thomas and the chairman of -- i thought it was a fascinating event that you were at last night, at the barbershop and i'm wondering how you square what we heard last night with what the vice president was talking about, i wonder if that is the secret divide that nobody's

acknowledging. >> thank you for being in this great place, the city of philadelphia. one of the organizers of the event last night, we talked about what happened after the event, we acknowledged it was a great conversation but we also really pretty much agreed sexism is a real thing. let's be honest, if the vice president would have gone on tv and said sexism had an impact, they would call her even weaker than what they are calling her right now. we listened to people vaguely bring it up in a shop so you know for a fact that misogyny and sexism is a real thing in this country and at the end of the day, people would have looked at her as trying to play the victim. i'm happy that she took the

perspective that she did because at the end of the day, we know that she's strong, we know she's educated, there's no way you can have the credentials that she had an serve in the positions that she served in and people do not look at her as unqualified, that in itself is a certain level of sexism. i can't think of men who would receive the same. >> i do think like, she can't acknowledge it or tackle it directly so what do democrats do? i thought it was interesting, the spanish language television dad, telling her dad, you have all these latino men who are going to go out the door and say yeah, i'm voting for trumpet their wives and their daughters and their mothers are saying, you're not voting for trump. i know you are not a spokeswoman -- spokesman for any of these people, do you think the lives of these men and women actually are important ambassadors for all

of that, is that a phenomenon that might be applicable to the black community as well? >> at the end of the day why we are seeing this play out is because of roe v wade. if you would've told me in my lifetime i would have to fight for something that my parents fought for when they were teenagers, i would have never believed it, and when you look at the issues that are on the ballot and in positions that the candidates have taken, roe v wade is at the top that there are a lot of other things that directly impact middle-class, people of color, they couldn't be further apart as it relates to their views on how the country should move forward, so i do think it's a real thing. >> so women matter. >> men have been strategically targeted as victims of misinformation, and i think some of the misinformation are starting to resonate with people when you hear cities

like philadelphia talk about the immigration issue, when you hear cities like philadelphia communicate things that aren't necessarily relevant to the things we are dealing with on a daily basis and that is a product of misinformation that's been presented to people via social media and things of that capacity, you heard of the other day when people were talking about concerns that they had that were policies that were done during the trump administration but the commercial said was the biden/harris administration. >> one of the things last night in the barbershop, black people are relational people, black men even more so. i think one of the hurdles that harris has his black men saying i don't know you, i don't know you like that. can you respond to that, how does she get over that and she has less than two weeks to go. >> i don't think that's an issue that is specific to her, i think that the condition that

people are beginning to communicate as it relates to what they want from their government. at the end of the day when i think about this idea of having a relationship with your elected official, being able to have access, it's not that someone wants to call you on the phone and want to touch it, they want to know the government is working for you. i have conversation with one of my mentees earlier today. he began to communicate some rhetoric that i didn't necessarily like so i cut him off at i explained to him, this is my speech, this is my territory, you have to follow my lead when it comes to this because i'm the expert in the space and you are the expert in the space where you work in. and at the end of the day the relationship part matter significantly and when people are used to having a relationship with anybody in several different industries they are going to expect the same for their elected officials. >> councilmember isaiah thomas, what a thrill to have you here. it's great to see you. thank you, sir. and thank all of you for watchi