it looks like the top court has said no. we will not accept these changes which seems, to my mind, the right legal call. is that where it stops? >> what they said in that opinion is we are not expediting things. we can talk about it after the election. it means the rule that were in place before will be the rules that will apply in georgia and the rules the republican governor and attorney general and republican secretary of state, don't think we have a problem at the top in georgia except with this board. >> you are on top of all of this. thank you very much. that is all in on this tuesday night. tuesday night. pennsylvania starts right now. >> good evening. we are coming to you live tonight from philadelphia's

yards brewing company right here in battleground pennsylvania. [ cheers and applause ] >> this is a state that may well decide this entire election, which is an unbelievable two weeks from today. and, yes, november 5th is not yet 5here, but voting is very much underway in the keystone state. more than 1 million votes have already been cast according to the university of florida's elections lab. and yesterday marked it final day that pennsylvanians could register to vote in the 2024 election. as ofe that deadline the state has 3,971,000 registered democratic voters, which is down slightly from 2020. and it has 3,673,000 registered republican voters, which is slightly up from 2020. we're going to talk about those numbers in just a second. the polls here show pennsylvania

locked in a dead heat. since both s candidates conside itbo a must win state it means y single vote here could end up being the deciding one. with that reality, both campaigns are engaged in a battle at the margins. that means instead of just trying to turn out voters in places where they do well like red counties for trump and blue strong holds for t harris, both campaigns are wading into enemy territory. they're each going into places where the othere candidate is winning is trying to turn out the handful of people who don't vote the way the rest of their community does. for trump, that means turning out aha handful of his supporte in urban centers, where harris is poised to win big. for harris that means turning out democrats who live in rural parts of the state where a majority of voters favor trump. it's about getting those lonely democrats in red counties to come out of the woodwork, to stick together, and to vote. it's an effort that looks a lot

like this. >> john fetterman. >> this is crazy. this is crazy. whoo! oh, thank you. here we go, all right. i want people to understand outside of these counties it is difficult at times to be a dem in red pennsylvania. and that's one of the reasons why i'm here is to honor all of you have to salute you for what you're doing. and it's never going to be about turning the county blue on a map. it's going to be talking about jamming it up. jamming it up for the republicans so that's why they canre scale and win pennsylvani. andd the magic is in the margi.

and it's never going to be about your own county being the right color. it's about making sure pennsylvania goes blue. because you inlv this room, we pick the president. >> on saturday i traveled with senator and harris campaign surrogate john fetterman, and we went to schuylkill county, pennsylvania, where he is literally the tip of spear in democratspe battle to peel off votes in trump country. in theru last two presidential elections trump beat both joe biden andum hillary clinton in schuylkillhi county by a more tn 2-1 margin. but again the harris campaign isn't looking to win schuylkill county inin 2024, they're just trying to turn out every single democratic voter they can in schuylkill county to add to the total number of democratic votes statewide. to givemo you a sense what that means. in 2016 trump won schuylkill county by 43 points, helping him

carrypi the entire state by les than a percentage point.e in 2020 trump won schuylkill county by around 40 points. but that slightly smaller margin, winning the county by 3 points less than he did in 2016 was a difference maker. trump lost the state of pennsylvania by s 1.2%, about 80,000 votes. so you can see how cutting into trump's margins across a number of very pro-trump counties could be the keyo- to a democratic victory. a couple hundred votes in schuylkill, a couple hundred elsewhere, it all adds up. let's talk about the math for a minute. biden did marginally better i think by a couple hundred votes in this county than clinton did in 2016. and it sounds like the strategy at this point is shave off a couple hundred votes in these counties across the state that she's not going to win, but

together those votes statewide are the margin of victory. >> it's o absolutely. it's absolutely so crucial in that. and that's what i've been trying to say. it's that if you add an extra 1,000 votes or 500 votes stack it, stack it, stack it, and that's the margin as well, too. i'm telling anybody you could be am so-called expert -- and they've been wrong throughout this the entire time -- but if anybody has a quarter here i can predict who's going to win. you do not need to be an expert to call a coin toss. and it's going to be so close. and i'm not here to worry. i'm here to say i'm motivated and i'm committed to making the argument in rooms just like schuylkill where i am right now. >> we're seeing a new sort of phenomenon emerge here, which is working class, lower income, urban and rural voters are

increasingly going to the republican party. and democrats have much more of a monopoly on affluent, educated voters. does that concern you in terms of the broader trends for the party in. >> again, it's not so much of a concern. it's just a reality where we're at. we have to fight for every last vote. it's like people vote for what they happen to believe. and that's why it's going to be close. i dogo fundamentally do believe that a majority of people will decide they don't want to go back to that mess. you've met a lot of people that are definitely voting for trump, but that's why. it's not about tryinge to figuring it out at this point, it's justng a matter of let's d everything we can. >> now, senator fetterman is right, being a democrat in schuylkill county seems kind of difficult. but the o democrats i met this weekend were enthusiastic that although it may be lonely, they

are not alone. here's what they had to say about harrisad support in a tru county. do you think there are more democrats that are going to come out or republicans that are going to come out for harris? >> i definitely think there's kind of like a hidden number with democrats. >> still a majority? >> yeah, i know just from canvassing there are women that are married to trump supporters that are not speaking about it but are going to be voting for kamala. and there'sti a lot of fear to present yourself as a liberal defined. you get theli looks as people d by or what have you, get harassed at family gatherings. but there's people still going to go to the voting booth and still going to cast for kamala. >> does it matter when fetterman comes here and tries to rally the crowd? >> i think it's nice to come to these things and feel a sense of

camaraderie. and they're fact checking and having those honest but friendly conversations. i know personally there's a few people in my life that i think pushed to the kamala side. they just needed something to clarify. so with all s the misinformatio out there. >> were you here for 2020? so biden did a little bit better than clinton in schuylkill county and obviously the state. that's how he won it. do you think harris can improve upon the margins he had? >> well, my gut feeling is telling me, yes, that is happening. and the reason i think that is happening is because of working at headquarters and seeing people coming in -- maybe they have voted for him, but now they can't and they're requesting --

that feels good. that feels good. we hope. >> so you're a republican? >> i'm a registered republican, yes. >> but you're at a democratic event forra kamala harris? >> i am because i vote people not party. >> i assume that means you're voting for kamala harris? >> absolutely. i cannot vote for someone who i don't respect in terms of trump. she's otrustworthy. i really, really think she has a good message. >> do you feel there are republicans like youre who are just tired of trump? >> i'm hoping there's a lot of people like me going to crawl out of the woodwork. i live in a rural community. my husband and i are totally in the minority. we pretty much keep our mouths shut. >> i noticed the trump signs last year, every year i don't

see them anymore. i only see one or two now. >> what about the harris signs? >> i see more now. >> we need to get a plane that carries harris and walz. >> you heard it here first. so harris supporters are circling up, but they are not the only ones fighting this battle of the margins. trump supporters are doing the same in deep blue parts of the state like philadelphia. over the weekend i attended a meeting of the self-described black republican club of philadelphia and asked that group of trump supporters what they expect to happen. >> i believexp trump is going t win because first off when people say bad things about him? where does that effect us down here? that doesn't affect our neighborhoods. we don't even get to see everything on that level. >> we know he's going to win because he is the best for america. he's worried about our economy.

>> the violence is high. democrats have been in charge for 40 years. >> we're voting for donald trump unequivocally, period. weui won't sleep until november 6th. >> so you know who you're voting for. >> yes, i'm voting for trump definitely. >> tell me why. >> he's more strong-minded in a way. he's focused on what we got to focus on. like, he doesn't play. that's what i respect for him. >> he doesn't play. >> he doesn't play. he always stands for what he believes and he doesn't go back, no matter how many people are bashing him, people criticizing him, nothing. >>hy doesn't take b.s. he's not going to hear it. he's ahe businessman. he's not there for the fluff of politics. we need someone strong. we need someone going to get downon to business and take car of what this country needs but

also understands what the community needs. >> the thing is we were scared in the beginning because he said he's going to nuke korea and nuke iran, but he didn't do that. the stock market went up -- there was inflation back then. theyio think republicans are so out of touch with the minority needs soou they don't have any choice. and i think that's going to be a big surprise. >> you've got pockets there's energy for mr. trump in the city, but aor lot of people jus walking down the street they're not feeling the democrats from time to time, not sure they're going to vote for trump, may not vote at all. black men who don't vote for democrats, it's not what mr. trump did, it's what i've been

disappointed with. i'm not a dedicated republican. i'm voting for the lesser of two evils this time voting for donald trump. >> i also asked those voters about vice president harris and how they view her candidacy. >> she's a woman of color. i'm not putting her down because of that and not putting her down because she's a woman. i'm not a feminist, i'm sorry. but at the end of the day i don't think she has the personality. i don't think that she has what it takes to go up against putin and t go up against these other presidents that are built for this. i don't want to be scared because my president is scared. i want my president to feel secure and about it. >> you brought up gender. do you think it matters she's a woman and people aren't comfortable having an woman in topvi leadership role? >> no, i don't.

because most men love their mothers and love their wives. most pen respect the woman but she don't have the education to really run america because she don't have the experience. she don't understand our struggles. and for me to believe you for another four years, you'reo an crazy. like you're y crazy. you're saying the same thing that you said four years ago. so the fact she's the vice president, you've been here, a chance. >> well, for me the very first time ie ever heard the name kamala harris, it was an association to locking up parents for a truancy. that was the first time i ever heard of her name, and i really didn't understand how this person claims to be a black woman but yet she's locking up black women and black men and separating families. >> this isse the thing that is trump talks about this a lot. he said kamala harris became black whenai it was convenient. can you talk to me about -- do

you feel -- do you agree with him on that? do you feel she's wearing her blackness in. >> absolutely. when he was sworn into the senate as the first endian american. which is fine. >> we all know she's not black. let's understande that. we're all clear of that. my point of view she's already been there. she's in office right now. >> now, to be clear the voters i spoke with here are not representative of black voters in philadelphia on whole. black voters are expected to support kamala harris by wide margins in this election. the question is how many voters from this blue county can donald trump pick-off? to that end i asked these black republicans about what part of trump's message is resonating. are you guys all -- do you all know who you're voting for? you're all voting for trump? okay, is there one issue that is one youha think trump is hands down better on? one issue driving your support?

>> absolutely. for me it's immigration. i myself come from an immigrant family. i'm guatemalan. and for us seeing the new immigrants come in, they're more violent, it's more chaos. they do more bad than anything. and we've been here for longer than them, and it's starting to effect us more because stuff is getting b stolen, they're makin us look bad as immigrants and we stayed longer than them. and we've been getting more like misrepresentation because of them. >> what do you think about the suggestion y of mass deportatio camps? >> i think it's a little bit iffy. i wouldn't say i would support it wholeheartedly. but i do think it's a problem with new immigrants coming in. >> the part that drives me crazy i feel the new immigrants is celebrating people breaking the law. why create the law and a whole process for immigration for

y'all to break it? >> trump says you're coming to take your jobs, black jobs, how did that resonate with you? >> well, first of all they are. >> o they're illegal aliens. they are taking jobs that belong to the citizens of this country. it's just the fact trump is saying it out loud. that's why the fact we really aroundt behind trump because a the end of the day this is the stuff we've been shouting out as a community. >> i was born and raised in haiti. >> you'rera haitian? >> that's correct. >> son? what do you think about all this talk about springfield and haitians eating pets, did that bother you? >> that's a red herrings. you guys keep talking about red hearings. >> what do you mean? he didn't say it? >> i'm not saying he didn't say it. i'm talking about policies that have been putpo in place. it's silly. >> i agree with the idea of mass deportation largely.

you have criminals in this country who are destroying our nation. they're coming inde here, getti earmarked bills and policies to open up businesses, get free housing, get access, easier access than those who legally immigrated to this country for welfare and other benefits. so as a taxpayer we have to pay for these guys to have luxuries of life, and we don't get anything, especially black americans who suffer so much in the system under democrats. we don't get anything. that's insane. you talk about springfield, ohio. and the whole thing with the fluff talk grabbing the sound bite about haitians whatever, eating cats and dogs. y'all trying to change the narrative of what he's really talking about, change the narrative of what we're talking about ande telling us that's wt we should be discuss. no, this here, this is what we're discussing. this here, this is america. and this is what america is about in what we're discussing.

>> for the record, multiple studies have shown that undocumented migrants are statistically less likely to commit violence than american citizens. but it is apparent that despite trump's false claims about migrants and immigrants and his extreme, potentially unconstitutional policy proposals, immigration remains one of his key selling points. we've got much more ahead of our special report live from pennsylvania, the battle of the margins, and a special look how harris is doing with black and latino men, both critical. stick around. , both critical. stick around

showing up counts for so much. >> 100%. but it all matters and these votes all add up. and times that by 56, 57 and that's -- the magic is in the margins.

and that's the tool that allows republicans to scale, or it's the other way, democrats, we can jam it up. >> right. jam up the margins. >> the magic's in the margin, at least that's what i think. >> jamming the margins, that is the story here in the commonwealth of pennsylvania where it really does appear to be a battle of inches, maybe even quarter inches. joining me now are pennsylvania's lieutenant governor austin davis, and john favro, former obama and speechwriter and co-host -- i was at a fetterman campaign event, harris campaign event where it was kind of an organized concerted effort to get democrats in a rad county to come out and vote for harris. i was also at an event with trump supporters, which were more sort of impromptu, on one

hand to peel off voters harris seems more organized, more focused. but the emotion with trump is undeniable. i wonder if they're feeling overly confident in the harris campaign structure and organization when trump has so much emotional weight to his argument. he's just pulling people in impromptu. >> yeah, look, i think it's quite the opposite. i think democrats recognize this election is going to be close, which is why the harris campaign is running the biggest organization campaign in pennsylvania, in our history. we've opened field offices in places like lancaster, places democrats don't traditionally compete in because they are respecting every person's vote. whether you're in a big city like philadelphia here or a small rural community in schuylkill county, they're competing for every single vote on the field. >> john, you know, when i was out in the field, i guess i'm

still out on the field, everybody kept talking about long signs and one of the sources of democratic optimism as harris might do is the number of harris yard signs compared to the number of trump yard signs. i wonder anecdotally in your course as an organizer and someone who follows politics, is that a valid measure? should we be looking at the expression of voter enthusiasm? >> i don't know. i don't think the campaigns are counting yards. i think they have a little bit more sophisticated data. and so i rely on the campaigns to figure that out more than the lawn signs. but it can't hurt to put a lawn sign out if you're enthusiastic about your candidate. >> i was so struck by those voters we talked to in the last segment. the immigration stuff that i think a lot of people see as racist, off putting, xenophobic,

unconstitutional is clearly something they're embracing, and these are black voters in philadelphia. what was your reaction to that? >> yeah, look, you should never bet against donald trump's turnout. his voters, the people who like donald trump and all those people you talked to, the trump supporters, republicans. seems they've supported him before or at least some of them, they're going to turn out i think the democrats and kamala harris' campaign, they've factored that into their calculations. i also think like the opposition to donald trump and to maga politics is one of the most powerful forces in american politics and has been since he's been president, so i also think you're going to get very high turnout on the democratic side as well. i think this is going to come down to some undecided voters that don't necessarily sound like the trump supporters, don't necessarily sound like the harris supporters.

but they say similar things as you heard in that focus group, they don't necessarily feel anyone's looking out for them. i think at this stage in the campaign what moves persuadable voters tend to be two things. new information and information that tangibly impacts their lives either positively or negatively. so do they know donald trump wants to slap a 20% tax on a ton of things that that buy, everything that's imported? do they know kamala harris wants to build 3 million new homes and rental units and make housing more affordable, right? so i think these are the pieces of information both campaigns are going to want to be communicating in these final weeks to move those persuadable voters off the fence. >> yeah, lieutenant guv infer davis, one of the things that struck me is the perception democrats are the party of elites and no longer care about the working class. and you're hearing pollsters and

strategists who are looking at the numbers saying increasingly what you're seeing is potential realignment of voter preferences, where republicans through trump have positioned themselves whether authentically or not given asymmetry of how much the democratic party cares and has enacted policies that do help the working class. >> yeah, look, i fundamentally don't think that's true. and i'll lean on my own experience. i'm the proud son of a union bus driver and a hair dresser. literally my dad is driving a pittsburgh bus today. we were able to bring a coalition of working class folks

to win a place like lancaster and cumberland county, places like dolphin county, places democrats have won. i don't think that's an saegsment of the entire democratic party. we've proven in pennsylvania we can bring people together, republicans, independents to get things done. i think you're going to see some of that coalition come together for kamala harris in the final two weeks and bear out in the results of the election. >> you know, john, i was struck by the number of folks who are admittedly leaning more towards trump but mention the anti-trans ad he's running in the closing stages of the race and talk about the migrant crisis and just how much that sort of vitriol and fear that translated the democratic party is somehow anti-masculine, anti-american. i don't think that's true, i don't think the record shows that to be true, but i'm struck how potent that image and think thinking is and whether or not

it might realign the parties and working class americans. are you worried about that? >> look, trump has been successful over the last decade at using vitriol and fear and hate to try to pit people against each other, and that ad you're referencing, the kamala harris' for they/them, the message they're trying to send is she is for people who aren't you, right? and i think the best way to respond to that and kamala harris is responding to this in her speeches saying we all want safe communities, we all want opportunity. we all want freedom to make decisions about our bodies and our health care. no matter what we look like, no matter where we come from, and donald trump is trying to pit us against each other? why? because he wants power and wants to help his rich friends. and what kamala harris wants to do is help everybody no matter where you live, what you look

like. i do think you've got to take on the vitriol and the hate and division head on. you've got to also talk about -- you've got to ascribe motivation to it. why is trump doing this? why is he trying to pit us against each other? it's not that he wants to help you. he wants to help himself. that's what the message has been and i think she'll hammer it even harder in the final two weeks. >> i want to ask you about these registration numbers as we talk about the enthusiasm and where this race is going. yesterday was the final day to register in your state. the number of registered democratic voters has dropped 211,000 from the year 2020. and the number of registered republican voters has increased 150,000 from 2020. do those numbers worry you? >> no, they don't worry me. if you look they're pretty much even. we know pennsylvania is very

much a purple state. we know the election is going to be close. you've seen in multiple races across the commonwealth republicans have voted for democrats, democrats have voted for republicans, so i think that's just the nature of being a swing state. >> that's spoken like someone who lives here and has to deal with the dynamics of this on a daily basis. austin david, oats great to see you, sir. pod save america's john favrou, thank you my friend for joining me. it's a special time. coming up what the black and latino men who kamala harris can't afford to lose in pennsylvania, what they have to say about the possibility of a female president. that is next when we come back live from philly. back live from philly with vaseline, hydrated skin is just the beginning. level up to even toned, radiant skin. new vaseline radiant x body lotion with 1% niacinamide. level up to even toned skin.

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we're back. with 14 days left until election day, vice president kamala harris, potentially the first female president, remains locked in a fierce battual the first former president to be found liable for sexually abusing a woman. a crucial fault line of this election has come into sharp relief. it is about gender. now, democrats have been losing ground among a key voting bloc, men of color, particularly black men for years. and the polling shows that will

likely worsen this november, and it's something president barack obama has repeatedly called out. earlier this month obama asked black men in pittsburgh if they just aren't feeling the idea of having a woman as president. but it is not just black men. young white men especially those without a college degree overwhelmingly support trump, and trump has expand said his outreach to non-college educated black and latino men as well. yesterday i spoke to a group of black men at kenny's barbershop in west philadelphia about an issue that might decide this election -- gender. obama made remarks on the campaign trail. he was at a stop i think pittsburgh. and he said i think there are some brothers out there who are on the fence and they're saying it's because of this or that and i think -- i'm paraphrasing here -- but it's because they have a problem electing a woman as president. and they're making excuses basically for that, but that's the issue. and black women have got our

backs for so long, they've raised us up, they've helped us out, and it's time for you to show up for kamala. for anyone who heard that -- >> i was deeply offended. it felt like a moment where you "n" words better come in line and do what we have to say. the general tone of it was disgusting. it was abhorabout. i didn't like nothing about it. and kamala two days after that was like we love our black men and she rolled out policy. >> good cop, bad cop. >> i'm tired of the good cop thing. i'm tired of it. >> black men have to be there for black women in the same way black women have always been there for us as single parents, all that and more. what he was ultimately trying to say is by not voting over kamala

harris over basically somebody as a clown, it's almost like a general disrespect -- >> women are discriminated against. >> as people who every day all day long we're having conversations across this city and all these states. i was having conversations with last thursday and it was a young man just turned 18, we got him registered to vote, he went and voted after the conversation. but he led his conversation with i can't vote for kamala because women are emotional. and many young men -- so we all here as a grown men -- you're missing the point. >> women are discriminated against. i've managed athletes. they're treating like objects. women are paid less. we can't act like women are not treated unfairly. we can't act like there's not some truth in what he is saying. >> i mean michelle obama gave barack a lot of credibility.

because if he'd have marched a white woman across the stage he'd still be in chicago. >> right. >> it's a lot -- barack had characters that gave him out. it's easier she's married to a black man, they're giving her the dumb blonde energy. it's much easier to get your jokes off. and everybody's crack up and laughing. and when it's easier to -- >> trump is eating into the democrats lead with black voters, the men i spoke to were quick to point out that black men young and old still overwhelmingly support harris. the real issue, they say, lies with other voting blocs. >> so i know everybody said the black men is the biggest shift in numbers. i hope i'm wrong, but i'm calling bull [ bleep ] on that.

polls are polls and the numbers can say what they say but when it's time to vote, every year it's us. >> we are not the issue, but we became an issue when trump made a play for us when nobody was talking about us. but at the same time we can't pretend it hasn't become a popular talking point amongst black men in media who feel like they want to be provocative and drive up their likes and things like that. like charlamagne is in the commercial. he's in the commercial talking [ bleep ] about kamala. and it's popular. and we have to recognize that -- >> antonio brown. >> antonio brown. it's popular. people calling her a whore, talking about her history. what that got to do with anything? >> if the goal is to win the race, we've got to put the pressure on the latino

community. >> this morning i joined the pennsylvania based radio host with a massive latino listenership and got to speak directly about whether kamala harris might drive their decisions about democrats. >> let's hear what people have to say. >> it kind of concerns me a little bit. she's still going to get my vote because it concerns me a little bit because over the generations and years of our lives, i have never really seen a woman, you know, i mean other than hillary clinton when she ran to become a president. but i am a little concerned about, you know, the fact that will she be able to run this country the way a male has done over the decades?

will she be able to be in these situations and so many presidents outside this country and other countries that have such a good relationship with donald trump. >> first of all, she's a strong woman. she's a prosecutor -- an ex-prosecutor. she became a state senator. she's very strong on her policies and she stays strong. with fears with other leaders of the united states looking at her she's a woman, i don't think that's going to be a problem because she knows how to negotiate. >> i just feel like because she's a woman, i think she's going to be treated different and her word is not going to be out as much as a man, for some reason, which i don't think is right. but i feel that's going to happen a lot. >> do you have friends that are not going to vote for her because she's a woman? >> i have a lot of coworkers, i have neighbors around here just because she's a woman, oh, she don't know what she's doing. and i'm like, i mean, a woman is

a woman and a man and a man. it just doesn't matter what are you. as long as you know what you're doing, it doesn't really matter what are you. >> a listner is writing on facebook that the reason why we get those calls of people who are scared is because they hear from the media and hear from trump about how week as a country we are. we are weak, we are weak. >> yeah. >> and so that together with a female -- >> right. >> the perception that females are weaker than men. >> that's fascinating. that's a super fascinating point. >> i mean the phones are ringing. people want to talk about it. i can tell you i've been doing this for 30 years, i've worked in different markets. the level of engagement from the latino community like this, wanting to talk about it, wanting to express themselves, wanting to participate, i have never seen it to this level. >> interesting. >> i will go even further.

i will dare to say at least within the latino community that people are more engaged now than when obama was running. i think it's the drama. >> the drama. >> and with latinos we like tell novellas. >> this is one hell of a telenovella. >> i would like to see how many of those latino men are influenced by their wives or by their daughters. >> or their mothers. >> because we latino love to say we're the boss and we're the man, but seriously how many wives and how many daughters are going to look at their husband and their father on election day or when it's time to vote -- >> and say are you serious? >> and say, exactly, don't you dare, are you serious? and how much, again, from the mouth out and from the door out there are, yeah, yeah. but inside once you're with your wife, once you're in with your daughters, how many of those guys are going to be influenced

by that? >> in an effort to focus on exactly the phenomenon that victor martinez is describing there, the harris campaign recently launched this ad. it is part of harris' $3 million spanish language radio campaign. [ speaking in a global language ] coming up, philadelphia council member isaiah thomas joins me to talk more about this election and gender gap. stay with us.

do you not see sexism as a factor in this race at all? >> i don't think of it that way. my challenge is the challenge of making sure i can talk with and listen to as many voters as possible and earn their vote. >> in a sit-down interview today with nbc's hallie jackson, vice president kamala harris rejected the implication that sexism is the cause of the massive gender gap in the presidential race. but on the ground the harris campaign is focusing its efforts to woo black and latino men to close that gap as much as possible before november 5th. joining me now is philadelphia city council member isaiah

thomas. he's also the chair of the black men for harris pennsylvania wing, i guess you could call it. isaiah, it's great to see you. thank you for being here. i think for anybody who saw the supporters here, you know, you -- i thought that was a fascinating event you were at that you kind of chaired last night at the barbershop. and i just wonder how you sort of square what we heard last night with what the vice president is saying. she's not sort of talking about sexism in this race, but i wonder if you think that's kind of the secret divide that nobody's acknowledging? >> i mean, so first of all thank you for having me. thank you of being in a great place like the city of philadelphia. at the end of the day david itchsurden, one of the organizers of the event last night, when we talked about what happened, we acknowledged it was a great conversation. but we also really pretty much agreed sexism is a real thing. let's be honest if a vice president would have went on tv and said sexism is having an

impact on this race, people would have called her weaker than what they're calling her right now. we just watched the last segment where people spoke critically about her gender and people brought it up in the barbershop as well. at the end of the day people would have looked at her as trying to play the victim role. so i'm happy that she took the perspective that she did, because at the end of day we know she's strong, right? we know she's educated. there's no way you can have the credentials that she has and served in the positions she served in and people didn't look at her as unqualified. that in itself is a certain level of sexism. and i don't think a male with the same credentials would receive the same criticism. >> it's hard to imagine the vice president would be told she's unqualified for the job. she can't acknowledge it, she can't tackle it directly. one of the things was really

interesting was this spanish radio ad where it's a young daughter telling her dad who theoretically i think is supposed to be a trump supporter, dad, trump isn't like you, i need you to be with me on this. and that echoes something victor martinez, the radio host said you have these latino men saying i'm voting for trump but their wives and mothers and daughters are saying you're not voting for trump, are you serious? first of all, i know you're not a spokesperson for any of these voting blocks but do you think the wives and the women in the lives of these men who might a problem with harris and voting for gender -- >> i think it's real. and at the end of the day the reason we're seeing this play out is because of roe v. wade. i think when you look at the issues specifically on the ballot and the position the

candidates have taken, you know, roe v. wade is the top of the food chain, but there's a lot of other things that directly impact middle class folks, working class folks, and peel of color that both candidates have taken a position on, and it couldn't be further apart as it relates to their views on how the country should move forward. so at the end of the day, yes, i do think it's a real thing. >> so women mat snr. >> i do because i also think women have been strategically targeted as victims of misinformation. and i think some of that misinformation is starting to resonate with people when you hear cities like philadelphia talk about the immigration issue. when you hear cities like philadelphia, you know, communicate things that aren't necessarily relevant to the things we're dealing with on a daily basis. and that to me is a product of misinformation presented to people via social media, via things of that capacity to try to put folks in that position. and you were at the barbershop the other day where people were talking about concerns they said that were actually trump

policies, done during the trump administration but the commercials tell them it was the biden-harris administration and they go onto believe it. >> one of the things said last night i think it was one of the city council folks black people are more relational people and black men are even more relationp. and i think the problem harris is black men saying i don't know you like that. >> i don't think that's an issue specific to her. i think that's a condition that people are beginning to communicate as it relates to what they want from their government. at the end of the day when i think about this idea about having a relationship with your elected official and having access to not just them, it's not that someone wants to yowl you on a phone, they want to know government is working for you. i was doing my outreach on phone calls and ask him who he's

voting for. and i said this is my space and territory and you're going to have follow my lead because i'm the expert in this space. when it's time for me to come his space, that's when i call you. at the end of the day the relationship part matters specifically. when people are used to having a relationship with anybody in several different industries, they're going to expect their elected officials. >> commanding the mic when necessary. it's great seeing you over the last 48 hours. thanks for your time, sir. and thank you all at home are watching. that is a wrap on the special edition of alex wagner tonight live from pennsylvania. thank you, philadelphia. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next. he commented more than once that, you know, hitler did some good things too. and of course, if you know