good morning. 11:00 a.m. eastern, 8:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. 13 days left until election day and vice president harris and former president trump are trying to reach voters who could play a crucial role in determining who wins the race. vice president harris' running mate minnesota governor tim walz and his wife gwen cast their

ballots. this comes as we have new comments from the vice president as she sat down with nbc news. she spoke with hallie jackson about issues, including if she would pardon donald trump if he's convicted. >> would you consider a pardon for donald trump? >> i'm not getting into hypotheticals. i'm focussed on the next 14 days. >> the telemundo correspondent asked the vice president about trump's various attacks on her. >> president trump has defined you as an extreme socialist that will destroy this country. where do you stand -- how do you define yourself, as a progressive, social list, as a mother? how do you define yourself? >> i'm a capitalist. i'm a pragmatic capitalist. >> with us now are the journalists who conducted these

interviews. nbc's senior washington correspondent hallie jackson and telemundo news anchor, two colleagues i admire and love. hallie, what were your main takeaways from this interview with the vice president. >> reporter: it's great to see you, jose, and julio as well. the vice president is doing more interviews. she has a town hall tonight. she's done podcasts, other cable news, fox news for example, "60 minutes". we sat down with her and talked about topics she hasn't addressed before, including one of the sound bites you played related specifically to former president trump. i spent time on the campaign trail with her monday and flying with her and former congresswoman liz cheney as the

two of them tried to make the case to undecided voters, to disaffected moderate republicans, people she's trying to win over. her closing argument is two fold. it's about what she would do as president. the other is about, as she sees it, the dangers of a second donald trump term. that a second term would be worst than the first. people have to remember how scary it was. that's how they cast these moments. she talked about that repeatedly and raises the things that his former staffers have said about him, former national security officials, concerns they have were he to win office a second time. we got into this question of -- we all remember in 2020, former president trump saying frankly, we did win the election before votes were counted in a race he lost. i asked her if that happens again is she ready, does she have a plan. here's the response. >> last election the former president came out on election night and declared victory

before the votes were counted. what is your plan if he does that again in two weeks? >> let me say this. we have two weeks to go. i'm very much grounded in the present in terms of the task at hand and we will deal with election night and the days after as they come and we have the resources and the expertise and the focus on that as well. >> you have teams ready to go is that what you're saying? are you thinking about that as a possibility? >> of course. this is a person, donald trump, who tried to undo the free and fair election, who still denies the will of the people. >> reporter: she also did not rule out the potential for a pardon for former president trump, but expressed, as you heard, extremely hypothetical right now. her focus is on the next 13 days, jose. >> julio, one of the questions you asked her about was immigration. did you get any clarity from her on this issue? >> reporter: hey, jose, yes. immigration is really one of the most important issues in this

campaign. former president trump saying it might be more important than the economy. it's been a real challenge for the biden presidency. i actually asked her -- right now she's defending the bipartisan bill that includes more resources to secure the border, even shutting down the border and closing loopholes around asylum. those are policies that president trump defended when he was the president. i asked her on immigration has donald trump won the argument. this is what she said. >> right now we're talking about border security and there's nobody, no democrat, talking about pathway to citizenship. >> i am. i am talking about it. >> benefits that migrants bring to this country. >> oh, but there's no question that migrants bring -- america is a country that is -- was built in part by immigrants. >> people are concerned about their tps, we're talking about

mass deportations. >> i'm not talking about anything -- >> what do you think of mass deportations? what's your stand there? >> we need smart, humane immigration policy in america that includes a pathway to citizenship, putting more resources at the border in terms of security. >> reporter: so bottom line, jose, she believes that we have a secure border and also an immigration belief, but she mainly talks about securing the border during this campaign, correct? >> hallie, you pressed the vice president on abortion rights. what did she tell you on that? >> reporter: as you know, jose, for democrats they see this as mobilizing, a big way they could turn out voters in some of these key battleground states. it's why she's heading to texas

later in the week. it's not a traditional battleground by any means, but has one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country. she's heading there to demonstrate, to highlight, as she sees it, life or death urgency to codify federally and protect abortion rights and restore federally the provisions of roe versus wade, which former president trump put in three justices that helped overturn roe. big issue for her and democrats. the question is to get something done to federally protect roe, to codify abortion rights, you have to have a democratic congress, at least the way the political landscape is now. if republicans win control of congress, win control of the senate, it's a potential sticking point for the provisions that the vice president wants to put in place. i asked her about that, pragmatically, are there any concessions she would be willing to give? would she reach across the aisle

to moderate republicans like susan collins and lisa murkowski. >> what concessions would be on the table, religious exemptions? >> i don't think we should be making concessions on a fundamental freedom to make decisions about your own body. >> reporter: she's clear she's not willing to negotiate. she described the harrowing stories of women who did not receive the care they needed. >> julio, the vice president was tasked with finding the root causes of migration. hundreds of thousands of venezuelans came to the united states in the last couple years. i know you asked the vice president specifically about her positions on venezuela. >> reporter: yes, and it's important -- it speaks to the first sound bite you played at the beginning, jose. president trump defining her as

a socialist. what's her position on venezuela? the president in venezuela lost an election in the summer. what is going to happen if he doesn't leave office in january when his term ends? what is the u.s. going to do if kamala harris wins the presidency? this is what she said. >> we're not going to use the u.s. military there. let me be very clear also, we must stand firm as the united states of america and respect the will of the people in that election, and i've been very clear about that as it relates to the election that occurred in venezuela. the will of the people must be respected. this is why we've issued sanctions. >> reporter: so not sending the military, which is an important thing to know from her, but also talking about sanctions that so far haven't really worked with venezuela. the question remains what will

really make the president leave office? is there the possibility for the united states to put more pressure on the venezuelan president after his term ends? >> hallie jackson and julio, i can't thank you enough for being here. appreciate your time. thank you. you can watch julio's complete interview with vice president harris tonight at 7:00 p.m. eastern, 4:00 p.m. pacific on telemundo. happening today, vice president harris and donald trump will be back on the road. tonight the vice president will participate in a town hall in pennsylvania while trump is holding events in georgia. this comes as the trump campaign is dealing with fallout from two articles published last night. "the new york times" had an interview with john kelly. kelly said trump would want to rule like a dictator. >> certainly the former

president is in the far-right area. he's certainly an authoritarian. admires people who are dictators. he has said that. so he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist for sure. >> kelly also confirmed other reports that trump repeatedly spoke highly of adolph hitler. according to "the atlantic," not confirmed by nbc news, trump made other comments about hitler, according to two people in the white house. saying, quote, i need the generals that hitler had, people that totally loyal to him. with us now senior national politicking reporter jonathan allen and yamiche alcindor. jonathan, what's the reaction in

trump world to the bombshell articles? >> reporter: we could put it on the screen, steven chung said that john kelly, quote, unquote, beclowned himself in his job, obviously the rift between donald trump and john kelly pretty big. kelly has been telling this story and others for quite a while now. you can also see in that statement an accusation that kelly is suffering from trump derangement syndrome. you know, this story about hitler and the generals, obviously the time at which you were adoring hitler is -- the way that his generals acted is not as important as the substance of what's being said. peter baker and susan glasser had that in their book a couple years ago. it's not a new allegation, although still a troubling one. >> yamiche alcindor, the harris

campaign has picked up on these articles. what are they saying? >> reporter: the harris campaign is seizing on this new information even as john allen is saying these are things we knew about former president trump. this is still new to hear -- john kelly was the former chief of staff -- saying this. governor tim walz spoke about this. take a listen to what he said. >> donald trump's descension into madness and john kelly who i thank for showing the courage to come forward, truly telling the world, those closest to donald trump know how dangerous he is. the desire of donald trump to wish he had generals like adolph hitler had, mark milley's, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, talking about he's the most dangerous person he ever encountered. it goes on and on with people

around him. >> reporter: governor walz spoke about this in wisconsin. he said as a 24-year veteran of the military these comments make him sick. it really is showing you that this campaign, the harris campaign, they want to make sure they're reacting to this and keeping this front of mind and putting it in front of voters. it underscores the message they've been saying which is donald trump is a threat to democracy and it's a message we've heard over and over, including here in pennsylvania where vice president was sitting next to former congresswoman liz cheney saying those exact words and saying he would be a threat to american democracy. we expect to hear that again tonight in pennsylvania when she holds that town hall and takes questions directly from voters. >> yamiche alcindor, what do the next 13 days look like for the vice president? >> reporter: in this final sprint one campaign official told me the harris campaign is trying to be everywhere they can be. they believe they want to be

reacting and interacting with voters directly and going to those key battleground states as we've been talking about. tonight she's here, vice president harris, in battleground pennsylvania for that town hall. tomorrow she's doing her first campaign event standing alongside former president president obama in georgia, another key battleground state. then she's heading to houston, texas, friday. that's interesting. it's not a battleground state. they don't think texas is in play for her, but there's a senate race there where they're trying to knock ted cruz out of the senate. also the harris campaign will be talking about reproductive rights and saying the consequences that have put women's lives in danger in texas, those could be consequences we see across the nation. then saturday we'll see her and michelle obama doing a campaign event in michigan, another battleground state. you're seeing ramping up.

it's turning into a get out the vote event. the harris campaign is making sure people are inspired to vote, have a plan to vote, making sure they have rides, taking their neighbors. they're encouraging people to make sure their community has a plan to vote. i'm sure we'll get more events as the week goes on. >> john, what's the former president's schedule looking like this next 13 days? >> reporter: like vice president harris he's crisscrossing the country. i don't think we'll see him under the bridge in delaware county, pennsylvania, or in blue collar counties in philadelphia. we'll see him in georgia, duluth, georgia, tempe, arizona, michigan in traverse city i believe. this weekend in a different part of pennsylvania. he'll be in happy valley, state college, pennsylvania, rural

pennsylvania, where he's hoping to get big margins that helped him in the past, certainly in 2016 in pennsylvania. i feel like i'm in a steve miller band saying these town names. he'll end up at madison square garden in new york where he's not competitive, but will enjoy the limelight of being center stage at msg. >> don allen and yamiche alcindor, thank you. up next, more of the report where trump's longest serving chief of staff is warning about the dangers of another trump term. plus, former trump lawyer rudy giuliani has been ordered to turn over his manhattan apartment to two election workers he defamed. later, u.s. officials confirm north korea has sent troops to russia in what marks a dramatic escalation in moscow's war against ukraine. we're back in 90 seconds. you're watching "jose

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history -- again, i think he's lacking in that. if you know what hitler was all about, you would be hard to make an argument he did anything good. >> joining us now eugene daniels, john kasich and lexie mcallen. eugene, give us context as to who john kelly is and what he's alleging the former president repeatedly talked about. >> john kelly is the former department of homeland security secretary under trump. then he was the longest serving chief of staff for trump. this is a man who has a storied history as a general in this country, a lot of respect across the board with republicans and democrats. someone who donald trump liked the idea of him being chief of staff because he was a general. he's also someone, if you look at the history of the trump

administration, who aides and allies would say tried to stop trump's worst instincts as they have put it in books and articles over the last few years. what he's saying is that the -- that donald trump behind closed doors, as you previewed, is interested in, trump's own words, the idea of being in charge with no holds barred. in a lot of countries they call that a dictatorship and kelly put it he's interested in being a fascist. that's something from john kelly, his longest serving chief of staff. we've seen john kelly talk about things like this over the years. we found out time and time again that he was a background source for certain people when talking about the way that donald trump spoke about military, veterans and folks who had been killed in

the line in service to this country. these things are very in line with that. what is october 23rd, this close to the election, it's also something that the harris campaign and democrats are seeing as something that those republicans that they're very interested in bringing over to vote for harris want to hear and could move some of those votes. and probably the most important aspect of this is, one, the harris campaign had a call about this, a press call. i would not be shocked to hear vice president harris sometime today talk about this. it's very in line with how they're trying to shape this argument about donald trump as we head into the final days of this election. >> john, what do you make of this? >> you know, the fact is what i -- i've talked to people about these things, not just this general, but other people who worked for him who said he's --

you know, he's no good to be president again. i had a conversation this morning with a friend of mine who -- he has a highly decorated brother. i said, does this bother you? he said, no. i said, why doesn't it bother you? he said, well, i think these people were -- all the ones complaining stood in the way. trump wanted to do things and they got in his way. by the way, where was this general when we were getting out of afghanistan? jose, there's no argument you can have. you can make your points, but when people are locked in, either because they are 100% supporters of trump no matter what he does, or they are people who basically say, you know, he just talks or they're disdained for some of the things they've seen in the biden administration. do i think it will have an impact? probably on the margin. we all shake our heads, those

who have been around politics for many, many years, that this kind of rhetoric could be acceptable or these thoughts could be acceptable. i'm not here to make an argument against them because i'm not going to change their mind. i would argue with them all day long. i figured out they are where they are. there will be some people on the margin who will say this convinces me to go for harris. i don't know how many will do that. the other thing is this is now two weeks to go. this is about turnout. which candidate gets the turnout of their supporters? do they get enough people out there to win the election? that's what we have to keep our eye on. who's turning out, what are the numbers? we have to look to the turnout. >> i want to turn to vanessa

guyan. president trump promised to pay for her funeral. later that year when he got the bill, he allegedly said it doesn't cost $60,000 to bury a mexican. what do you see as the impact for this? >> it's just abhorrent. it's disgusting language. it's a disgusting racist sentiment from someone who was the former president and wants to be the president. it speaks to the way he views women, women of color, people who died in this country while serving our country. he has no respect for anyone and his bottom line, which we all know he falsified documents to make it look like he's worth monday than he's because he's so concerned about appearances and money. it should be a wake-up call who wonder whether donald trump will

be looking out for them or himself, whether he would care more about the numbers on the bill or the impact it has for families in need. it's a crazy thing to say no matter who you are. it's a disgusting thing to say as a former president and as somebody who is asking folks of this country, her family included, to support him and make him president again. >> i just want to always think about vanessa and that family that suffered so much. governor, both of these articles come 13 days before the election. how much does timing here matter? >> well, you know, you wonder how much is already baked in. when trump says things, is it all baked in. [ audio difficulty ] i mean, i'm flabbergasted at

times. i had a good discussion with people about a week ago about these kinds of things. every time i get into those discussions, i'm working myself up more than i'm getting them to think differently. i got to the point now where, again, what's baked in is baked in. the key is harris, if she's going to win, she's got to get her people out. same thing for the republicans. there's a report out of the "washington post" that republicans and early voting have caught up to democrats, which wasn't true the last time. i don't know if that report has been closely examined. again, jose, i've been in so many campaigns myself that in the end it's just a blur and you go, go, go and get your people fired up enough to get out there and vote. that's why obama is out there, trying to get the democrats going. bruce springsteen is going out. it would only make a difference on turnout more than changing

people's minds. i think people are pretty darn locked in. >> turnout, as you say, is key. eugene, turning back to the vice president, here's what she said when hallie jackson asked her about gender affirming care. listen to this. >> i believe that people, as the law states, even on this issue about federal law, that is a decision that doctors will make in terms of what is medically necessary. i'm not going to put myself in a position of a doctor. >> sounds like you're saying this is between trans americans and their doctors. it sounds like a far way from we see you and we love you. what do you want lgbtq+ people to know from you? >> i believe all people should be treated with dignity and respect. >> eugene, do you see clarity here? >> clarity with politicians.

that's rare nowadays. what the harris campaign is trying to do is figure out a way to stay with what she's been saying, as hallie said, how she sees and worked with trans people and people in the lgbtq+ community for years, decades and also there's a concern within the campaign about how those middle of the road voters, people who maybe don't hate or dislike trans people, but maybe haven't met any, don't understand it, aren't educated on the actual facts of trans, nonbinary people in this country, not to turn them off as we get closer. there are people in the lgbtq+ community who are frustrated by that, who want to hear more from vice president harris who they have seen as an ally for a really long time, for good reason. you remember when her marrying

the first gay couple to get married when she was in california. that happened. that was something she did. so they have concerns. i don't know that it's enough to turn people off from voting. as the governor was saying, so much of this is happening on the margins. every single vote, every single person who could vote, every low propensity voter is someone they should be focussed on. there's a risk here for people feeling like there isn't clarity to this answer. vice president harris is putting the argument that she would be a president that would follow the law. some people don't see it as illegal and legal, but of morality. >> eugene, john and alexia, thank you for being with us. up next, how the pentagon is responding to north korea's decision to send troops to russia amid growing fears of an

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34 past the hour. breaking news. multiple people are dead, several injured in what turkish officials are describing as a terrorist attack on an aerospace facility. there you see this video showing an explosion at the facility. the cause of the blast unknown. surveillance footage showed armed assailants with backpacks and rifles entering the state-run facility. no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack. in this video you're seeing two people -- this guy right here with the -- looks like an ak, with a massive backpack with

him. we'll keep monitoring this situation. it is still ongoing. we will bring you any details throughout the remainder of the day. we have more breaking news this morning however. today for the first time u.s. officials confirming that north korea has sent troops to russia. u.s. secretary of defense lloyd austin said earlier today there's evidence north korean troops are in russia, but the u.s. is trying to determine what their intentions are. >> their intention is to participate in this war on russia's behalf, that is very serious issue. it will have impacts, not only on -- in europe, but it will also impact things in the indo-pacific as well. >> joining us now courtney kube.

what do we know about this? >> reporter: we don't know why the north korean troops are russia. while the south korean government and ukrainian government have been talking about this for days, secretary austin speaking about this in rome is the first time anyone in the u.s. government has acknowledged that the u.s. believes this to be true. the south korean government saying they believe about 3,000 north korean troops have moved into russia, but they're not sure what their purpose there will be. they're saying this number could grow to 10,000 in the next six weeks or by the end of the year. that's the same sentiment we've heard from u.s. officials. it's not clear what the troops could be doing. president zelenskyy, when asked about this earlier this week, confirmed that ukraine also believes north korean troops have gone to russia. he said they could be doing it for money, though. what is clear here is there's a growing alliance between russia and north korea.

north korea has been providing russia with weapons that have been used on the battlefield in ukraine with effect for months. one analyst who i spoke with says it's possible that north korea could be sending troops in to russia and then ultimately into ukraine just to see how their weapons are operating on the battlefield. the reality is we don't know what these thousands of troops may be up to. >> courtney, thank you. up next, a deadly e. coli outbreak linked to the largest fast food chain. plus, former new york mayor rudy giuliani has less than a week to hand over his manhattan penthouse to two election workers he defamed in 2020. first, dad news to report, l.a. dodgers pitcher fernando

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43 past the hour. mcdonald's, the biggest fast

food chain in the world, rocked by a deadly e. coli outbreak. maggie vespa joins us from mcdonald's headquarters in the chicago. what happened? >> reporter: we don't have a final answer at this point. the investigation is just getting under way. the cdc and mcdonald's pointing to a likely culprit, the quarter pounder. the restaurant is scrambling to contain the damage. this morning an american fast food icon fielding a deadly crisis. >> if you're eating fast food, be care. >> reporter: the cdc confirming a fast moving outbreak of e. coli tied to mcdonald's, adding among the nearly 50 customers sickened, 10 have been hospitalized, including a child who's developed kidney disease. the cdc adding an older person in colorado has died. in most of the cases the agency

says customers report eating a menu staple, the quarter pounder. >> the hottest, juiciest quarter pounder yet. >> reporter: within hours the mcdonald's president issuing this video saying -- >> food safety is so important to me and everyone at mcdonald's. >> reporter: the company adding while the exact source of the outbreak remains under investigation, it may be linked to slivered onions used in the quarter pounder and sourced by a single supplier that serves three distribution centers, promising swift and decisive action, they say they've removed the slivered onions and the quarter pounder itself from restaurants in the impacted area. former fda commissioner points out the chain's practice is to cook patties at 170 degrees, 10 degrees hotter than it takes to kill e. coli adding they get

them from multiple beef suppliers, making contaminated meat a less likely scenario. >> how big of a crisis is this? >> significant. >> reporter: jonathan mays credits mcdonald's swift action, but notes impacts may belong lasting. >> there's going to be a lot of publicity about this. people will stop going to mcdonald's. >> reporter: the cdc says the illnesses were reported between september 27th and october 11th. they say it's entirely possible more people have gotten sick saying it could take four weeks to link cases to an outbreak. this might be something we're watching for quite sometime. >> maggie vespa, thank you. the clock is ticking for former trump attorney rudy giuliani to hand over his manhattan apartment and other valuables to the two georgia election workers he defamed.

a federal judge in new york ordered giuliani to turn over his $5.7 million apartment, cash accounts, jewelry and other items in days. the items will be put into a receivership that will be controlled by ruby freeman and her daughter shaye moss. joining us katherine chrisman. how exactly will this work? >> mr. giuliani literally has to turn over all of the item that is the court said he has to, his yankee memorabilia, jewelry, a mercedes-benz that was once owned by lauren bacall and the receiver, the person appointed, the plaintiffs, are entitled to sell it, to go to sotheby's and try to get as much money as they can because they want to

hopefully get up to that $146 million amount. mr. giuliani put himself in this place because he, as the court pointed out, could have asked for a stay of this sale when he lost in the d.c. court, but he didn't do it. now he's here and has to turn over this property. it's now down to six days. it was seven days yesterday. it's now six days. >> just in the law, you can lose your house, your apartment. i mean, is giuliani appealing this? >> you can't lose your primary residence. his manhattan apartment is not his primary residence. he's fighting to keep his palm beach condo. there will be a hearing to determine whether or not that palm beach condo is really his primary residence. >> that's going to happen on october 28th. he's saying that is his primary residence and that should not be given over. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. up next, we'll take a deep

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50 past the hour. new data appear to show more republicans are voting early, including in nevada where a democratic candidate has won in the past four presidential elections. today, jill biden and j.d. vance will be campaigning in nevada. joining us now, john raulston.

the guy who knows more about nevada than anybody will ever and should. what does early voting data show you so far? >> we have only had four days of it, jose. i have to tell you, we haven't seen a turnout pattern like this since i started doing this way back in 2008. the republicans have a lead. they have a slight lead. it's 12,000 votes statewide out of 330,000 or so. the democrats usually build up significant leads in the early going of early voting. remember what's changed in nevada, jose. a couple cycles ago, during covid, they changed it so it's mostly a mail ballot state now. those mail ballots dramatically favor the democrats. the other wild card is there are

80,000 people who voted who are not affiliated with either party. the democrats think that they can win those by enough to win the state. if i had to guess right now -- i don't like guessing, jose. i would say it's going to be close. >> another thing that's not i guess as powerful as it may have been is the harry reid machine. >> don't tell them that, jose. harry reid, who died in 2021, helped erect this amazing democratic machine that has been able to win every election for the presidential race and many other down-ballot races since 2008. the people who are running it when harry reid was alive are still running it. they are still out there. they are coordinating with non-profits and as you well know, jose, the culinary union, which is the biggest union in the state. is the hispanic turnout machine for the democrats.

the reid machine is alive and well. reports of its death have been greatly exaggerated. [ laughter ] >> let's talk about the importance and importance of the latino vote. >> as you know, the latino vote has been written about it a lot. you know as much about it as anybody. it's generally favored to democrats. the margins have been slipping. the first latino elected to the u.s. senate was in trouble with hispanics in the summer of 2022 but managed to get it back up above 60%. that's the magic number, jose, for kamala harris as well. she's not over 60% in any of the polling that i have seen. she has some work to do there if she's to win nevada. >> voters in nevada will have to deal with an issue on the state constitution on the ballot on abortion rights. >> that's right.

the democrats think that this is to their advantage. we are a pro-choice state. it was embedded in statute in 1990. can only be changed by a vote of the people. abortion rights are pretty safe. the democrats now, as you mentioned, want to put abortion rights in the constitution. they got that qualified. they think it's going to be a turnout driver for them, especially because it's a major issue in the pivotal senate race here for the incumbent against sam brown, the republican nominee. >> how is that race looking? >> jackie rosen has had a solid lead all along, double digits there some polls. i don't think those are correct. the senate races are is not won by double digits in nevada very often. i think jackie rosen is ahead. i think the republicans have acknowledged that. but it's nevada. we are purple. it's not over yet. >> thank you very much, my

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