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town hall tonight. why she's arguing the guardrails from trump's first administration are gone. and a plan in place, harris details what her team is ready to do if donald trump declares an early victory on election night. what she told hallie jackson in her one-on-one interview. also, buying a home is getting easier in key battleground counties. are voters seeing the difference? our nbc news reporters are following the developments. we start with former president trump pushing back hard on warnings from john kelly. shaquille brewster joins me now south of atlanta. what are you hearing? >> reporter: the trump campaign and its allies have been going out forcefully responding to these quotes from his former chief of staff. it's not just blind quotes, actual audio from a "new york

times" interview with his former chief of staff confirming previous reporting that donald trump called military service members killed suckers and losers, saying that trump did not want to appear with amputees and saying donald trump would govern as someone who admires dictators. listen to more of that interview where kelly explains the reasoning behind his thoughts. >> he doesn't know a lot about, you know, american history and certainly as a -- as a -- i guess a former executive in his civilian world, you know, you -- i guess you can be a dictator because you can fire people easily and the only thing theoretically you have to follow is the law. but, then again, an awful lot of people break the law and expect subordinates to break the law, circumvent the law somehow. that's where he was coming from. that was his world view.

>> reporter: now, trump's campaign -- communication director released a statement after that reporting came out yesterday. we'll put it up on screen. he says, john kelly has totally beclowned himself with these debunked stories he fabricated because he failed to serve his president well and suffers from trump derangement syndrome. you have another spokesperson responding to details in the atlantic where trump is quoted as saying he wants the kind of generals hitler had. the trump campaign saying it's not true at all. >> shaquille brewster, thank you. we heard from kamala harris about those comments by john kelly. yamiche alcindor reporting from delaware county, pennsylvania, ahead of the town hall there later tonight. what did she say about this,

yamiche? >> reporter: the vice president came out and delivered a pointed attack saying donald trump is a threat to democracy and these comments by his former chief of staff, general john kelly, underscores he's someone who can't be trusted with the office of the presidency. she pointed out what adolph hitler was responsible for, the death of 6 million jews and said donald trump wants someone loyal to him and not the u.s. constitution. listen to what she said. >> this is further evidence for the american people of who donald trump really is. this is a window into who donald trump really is from the people who know him best, from the people who worked with him side by side in the oval office and situation room. donald trump is increasingly unhinged and unstable. in a second term people like john kelly would not be there to

be the guardrails against his propensities and his actions. those who once tried to stop him from pursuing his worst impulses would no longer be there. >> reporter: that last point that donald trump, if elected, re-elected, would be someone able to use the military and use his powers in ways he didn't in the first term because he had people like john kelly in his administration is the closing message of vice president harris. she'll be here in delaware county taking questions in a town hall. on monday she was in pennsylvania where she was making the point that donald trump would not be able to defend the u.s. constitution because he would be too focussed on himself. this is the vice president seizing on this news. governor tim walz, her running mate, has been talking about this. he said as a 24-year veteran of

the military he's, quote, unquote, sick at the idea that donald trump would be comparing himself to adolph hitler and saying he wants the generals that were loyal to him who were part of the nazi regime that killed so many jews. >> yamiche alcindor, thank you. now to kamala harris' plans if donald trump prematurely declares victory on election night. hallie jackson spoke to harris about this. what did she have to say? >> reporter: it's not a hypothetical, it wasn't in 2020. back then on election night former president trump came out and said frankly we won this election, even before all the votes were counted in a race that he, of course, lost. the question becomes how and if the democrats are preparing for a scenario like that again this time around. here's what the vice president told me. >> you have teams ready to go, is that what you're saying? are you thinking about that as a possibility? >> of course. this is a person, donald trump,

who tried to undo a free and fair election, who still denies the will of the people, who incited a violent mob to attack the united states capitol and 140 law enforcement officers were attacked. some were killed. this is a serious matter. >> reporter: the vice president talked about the resources and expertise, in her words, available to her and the campaign. that's reflected in this campaign memo obtained by nbc news as reported by kelly o'connell in which democratic officials talk about the teams of legal counsel they have in place, hundreds of lawyers across key states to try to manage and mitigate any of this that may come up. former president trump, again, today suggested there's cheating in this election. to be crystal clear, there's no evidence of that. we haven't even hit election day. that's going to be one of the big questions we're watching for

election night this year in 13 days. >> for a very, very brief moment at one point, late last week, donald trump said he's seen no evidence there are problems with voting right now. hallie jackson, thank you. then he said something else. new reporting that's important to this election. it shows home buying is getting easier in battleground states. christine romans has the latest on that. are voters feeling it? >> reporter: starting to feel better in critical districts in critical states. is it enough to move the needle? let's look at the overall picture. the average fixed rate mortgage, 6.44%. that's a bit of improvement, but double what it was a couple years ago. the nbc news home buyer index, 85.9. this number is still high. it's difficult to buy a home in the country. the median home price up 30%

over the past four years. people feel like housing is very, very expensive. what are these candidates going to do about it? kamala harris said she would build 3 million homes over four years and provide $25,000 in downpayment assistance for first-time home buyers. donald trump would ban undocumented immigrants from qualifying for mortgages. he would open up federal land to building. people who build homes are concerned that mass deportations would slow the building of housing. let's go to maricopa county, a battleground. won by trump by 3 points in 2016, joe biden by 2 points in 2020. this critical county could decide the election. the home buyer index here is getting better. homes are on the market for longer. there's a little less competition. buyers are waiting for lower mortgage rates, but things are loosening up in this fastest

growing county in the united states. let's go to georgia, also a critical state. this is cobb county. our home buyer index is down by 10 points. there's more inventory than last year. chris, what's really interesting, there's downpayment assistance for teachers, nurses and veterans and people who make the median income. there's availability for buying homes, downpayment assistance. that seems to be helping there. finally, real quick, chris, to lambeau field, to brown county, wisconsin. this is trump country. getting worse in wisconsin. you know how important wisconsin is. demand for retirees and first-time home buyers so strong here, homes are going way above asking. that's why sales dropped 15% in november. some of the price points for the

american middle class has been so difficult. it's top of mind for many heading into the voting booth. >> christine, thank you. when we're back, the criticism from military leaders that worked with trump. we'll speak with a congressman right after this short break. an right after this short break cil. the easy way to get your daily fiber.

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rift between donald trump and military leaders who worked for him. this is from the "new york times" interview with former white house chief of staff john kelly on why he's coming forward now. >> and i think this issue of using the military on -- to go after american citizens is one of those things that i think is a very, very bad thing, even to say it for political purposes to get elected. it's a very, very bad thing, let alone actually doing it. >> a trump campaign spokesperson said john kelly has totally beclowned himself because he failed to serve his president well while working as chief of staff and suffers from trump derangement syndrome. joining us now democratic congressman from massachusetts, jake auchincloss, also a marine veteran. thank you for joining us.

during trump's first term john kelly and others served as a guardrail as what they saw as dangerous tendencies. vice president harris in the last hour warned there would be no guardrails in a second term. i wonder if that is on your mind and what you make of john kelly coming forward now. will it make a difference? >> it's the critical closing argument regarding trump's character. most persuadable voters are actually already agreeing that donald trump's character is bankrupt, that his instincts are depraved. they think there will be checks and balances around him. a key argument democrats have to make more compellingly is that anybody in the body politic that were there is depleted. he will not have john kelly and jim mattis and john bolton and

even jared kushner in the white house with him. he'll have donald trump jr. who is even a more depraved version of his father. that is who will be turning the federal government into a trump thiefdom. it's not just going to be the military, it's going to be the politicalization of medicare and using the department of justice to go after the private sector. it will be civil servants having to respond to his whims as opposed to facts and evidence. >> for you and many americans, comments like this are disqualifying or viewed as unamerican. that's not the case with his supporters. nbc news asked four of his supporters, trump supporters in arizona, if they agree with him that democrats are the enemy from within. i want to play for you what they told us. >> they're now the party of

suppressing people's rights under the guise of misinformation. yes, donald trump is correct. >> they'll say and do anything in order to get in. it's all about power. >> there's no morals, no values anymore. it's a war on religion. i think they're bound and determined to destroy our country and make us like venezuela. they're going to -- they want to destroy the middle class. >> even voters who are uncomfortable with some of the things they hear from donald trump, but who support him, say -- at least what they tell us is they like he projects strength and masculinity. they think he's decisive or that honestly it's all talk, not to worry about it. what do you say to them? >> well, the tribalism and the animosity that we heard in those interviews, that's a long-term project for the health of the american democracy.

it includes how we think about social media and cable news and our shared truth, but frankly over the next two weeks, we're not reaching those voters. if you're at a trump rally wearing a trump hat, that's beyond reach. we're worried about 100,000 voters across seven states. these voters actually agree that donald trump is not a good human being. they're banking on guardrails as you said. i think democrats have to make two points. those guardrails are gone. you'll get the full, unvarnished trump. that means the politicalization of basic services you expect from the federal government up to and including social security and medicare. trump had no problem putting his names on checks that went out during covid. what's to stop him from saying when we put out your social security checks, we'll ask you your party affiliation and we'll determine the size of those

checks on how good a maga fight you've been. they're not pre post rouse. the second argument is cost of living. this is another issue for these voters. donald trump wants to raise costs by up to $4,000 with his sales tax. kamala harris has planned to put $6,000 in the hands of every american with a child tax credit. we need to drive that home. >> can we talk about the guardrails and donald trump in general. i know there's a sense of community among many of the veterans in congress. i wonder if you can share what your conversations have been like with fellow vets when it comes to trump, comments like these, the fact that he said he needs to have the kind of generals hitler had. >> yeah, there's no question there's a comradery with veterans in congress, but i also wouldn't overstate it. i have respect for those who

served in uniform on both sides of the aisle. the highest standard i hold congress to is are they going to support the constitution. those who didn't on january 6th, those who voted to decertify the election, just because they served in union, doesn't dissuade the fact that they tried to ignore the constitution. we don't swear an oath to a political party. we don't swear an oath to an individual. we swear an oath to the rule of law. >> congressman jake auchincloss, thank you for being on the program. urgent concern over members of the notorious venezuela gang known as tda and their presence in the u.s. the department of homeland security has identified 600 migrants in the u.s. who may have a connection to this gang.

we have exclusive reporting that about 100 of these migrants have been confirmed as members of the gang. give us the big picture. >> reporter: this is a new initiative that began six months ago by the department of homeland security that we're just finding out about today where they were able to look at migrants who recently crossed, go through their records and determine if they have a link to that gang called tda. they're primarily from venezuela. they've been called a trans national criminal organization by the biden administration. there was simply no information on them that would allow border patrol to hold them back. venezuela doesn't share law enforcement information with the united states because of its diplomatic relationship. they're looking at local law enforcement, if they've been arrested somewhere, if they have an association to them. they say in some cases they could be witnesses or victims of

tda, perhaps they had to pay them money. tda could be human smugglers. in one case they were running a sex trafficking ring in louisiana where women had to pay back their debt by being involved in that. they're trying to figure out who is a member, who might be a victim. this is the first time we've been able to look at any analysis about this gang. it's something former president trump has been talking a lot about, making it sound like there are thousands that have overtaken cities like aurora, colorado, something the republican mayor said is not the case. this is a snapshot. it puts it in a context of gangs that are much smaller. certainly a threat and dhs is starting to examine who might be in the country. >> julia ainsley, thank you. coming up, it was once a low key job with minimal risk. new nbc reporting on the growing threats and growing number of

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vests, panic buttons and drones. a threat described on this program yesterday by wisconsin's election commissioner. >> what is your biggest fear surrounding this election? >> that one of our election workers gets hurt, injured, killed. hands down. >> are the threats out there? >> they are. >> now new nbc reporting details the growing list of places where everything about the once

mundane business of carrying out elections has changed drastically. one example, the tabulation center in maricopa county will have snipers on the roof, metal detectors and security at every entrance, drone surveillance and security cameras and flood lights to help law enforcement monitor the area. joining me now is former florida congressman and the nbc reporter who spoke with officials, jane tim. good to have you both here. jane, we talked about this a little bit. when i read your article and one place after another after another after another that was so afraid of what might happen that they were taking what comparatively to past elections are drastic measures was shocking. tell me what you found. >> these sleepy government offices are being retro fitted with new walls, key card access

and bullet proof glass. there are officials in colorado, one who's ex military, used extra funding for bullet proof vests. these officials have routine paperwork jobs, but because of the politicalization of the election system, they now have almost militarized security plans. they're working with police and role playing how to handle scenarios. we can't overestimate the cost of this. i think they said 10 million in maricopa county just to secure the election and ballot tabulation in that county, as well as the emotional burden and how much work we're asking these civil servants to do just to run elections. >> they're not all in battleground states. >> no. it's actually very funny. my beat takes me to swing states like georgia and arizona. it's also in very red counties

where donald trump is saying that it's permeated so many people that this misleading claims about the election being rigged and the machines being hackable, which we know isn't happening, it's really powerful and becomes more of a problem in those areas. >> to that problem, carlos, you signed on to a letter to the house and the senate asking for there's $400 million for election security grants. with the election less than two weeks away, do you think what needed to be done has been done? has this been taken seriously enough? >> we certainly made some important investments, chris. that's something we should celebrate and to be fair, both republicans and democrats in congress worked together to make that happen. however, i will say -- you know, i'm pretty good about distributing blame across the political spectrum. when it comes to this issue, donald trump is the number one

culprit. he's spread this distrust about election workers, people who in many cases are volunteers, older people just trying to serve their communities. their names have been tainted, slandered. they've been demonized by donald trump and his supporters and that's why we the tax payers have to invest all this extra money to make sure these people are safe, to make sure they don't get attacked, to make sure no one walks into a polling place with the intention of intimidating or hurting any of these individuals. it's very sad, chris. it's something that used to be a great celebration in our country, voting, people participating in our democratic process, has become a system where we now have to be careful, be fearful and be worried. again, no one has done more to create this new reality than donald trump. >> jane talked about colorado. we have just learned, carlos, that doj has charged two men with threatening colorado's

secretary of state, jenna griswald and others on whether trump should appear on colorado ballots. how concerned are you there will be more threats like this on the lead up to election day and after? >> think about it. how many tens of thousands of polling places are there in the country? every one of those represents risk, represents an opportunity for someone to hurt an election worker, to intimidate, threaten an election worker, maybe worse. my family came from cuba. they had to flee from this country because politics had become so violent. people did not view each other as adversaries, but as enemies. that's the type of culture and mentality many have in this country now. we have to do everything possible, conservatives, liberals and everyone in between, to heal in this regard

and make sure that voting is something that we don't have to fear instead of something that we can celebrate and be proud about. >> jane timm, thank you for your great reporter. congressman, thank you as well. coming up, a big speech on an even bigger stage. nbc news just learning about vice president harris' plan for making a closing argument to the nation.

nbc news confirming vice president harris plans to give a speech, a closing argument, from the n national mall on tuesday. mike memoli is reporting from the white house. joining me here is mike hardiway. mike, what is the closing argument? >> reporter: the substantive details are coming together according to my colleagues yamiche alcindor according to reporting from the "washington post." it speaks volumes on what we can expect from the vice president. connecting this campaign to what we heard from the vice president about what's at stake, our democracy itself. the national mall suggests the

back drop of the u.s. capitol, january 6th the storming of the capitol, a scarring moment for our country. the monuments behind her connecting to what we saw from the vice president last week when she held an event with liz cheney in washington's crossing in pennsylvania. it's a backdrop that's aligned with what we saw from president biden when he was seeking a second term, delivering these major speeches at moments and locations of great historical significance, especially as it relates to the democracy itself. you add that, chris, to what we're seeing from the vice president this week, traveling to texas to talk about abortion rights to set up what the harris campaign sees as the major pillars of that closing argument to voters. talking about both the issues that are so important and motivating to voters, abortion rights and as the vice president will put it that democracy is on the ballot. >> thank you for that.

michael, i'm curious about the exact location and the message. let's start with the message, though, because i do wonder is it hopeful? is it what she talked about at the convention? is it a warning which we've seen in her closing arguments on the campaign trail and we heard about her belief that donald trump is dangerous? is it both? >> this is her lebron moment. she has two minutes left in the game and has to target those undecided voters. there has to be an economic message. >> really? >> at the end of the day it's something we all care about. she's outlined the stakes here. donald trump's tax tariffs will drive us into a recession. that matters. donald trump will pile $15 trillion on to our national debt. that matters. she should speak to that more than anything else. >> so i was -- i was thinking in a completely different lane. backdrop of the capitol, talk about what happened on january 6th, what the stakes are for democracy. there's also the washington monument, the lincoln memorial,

four score and seven years ago a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. all the things those represent could be a place for soaring rhetoric at a time -- she talked about this yesterday, probably the day before and the day before, about the exhaustion americans feel and how she believes what they have to look at is how a president can bring this divided nation together. you don't think that's it? >> no. you have to go for self-interest. i think the pocket book is something that resonates with everyone. it matters in terms of that story and everything you laid out. she can do both. she should inspire two weeks left until election day. she should also say this is how i'm going to make your life better financially. that matters to all of us. >> what do you think about the rhetorical skills she has and how she can best use them?

it will be a big speech, a big location. that is such an iconic backdrop. also, probably her last big chance to reach an audience that's going to be big, not obviously a debate big, but probably big. >> here's the unfair part, she'll be compared to barack obama who's the greatest speaker of this generation. >> and one of the great rappers apparently. >> indeed. she has a good story to tell. she should tell it and talk about what's at stake for our country and its history and all these things of awful that donald trump could put upon us if he's elected on november 5th. >> michael hardiway, we'll see. tonight in new york city a debate will take place between candidates for new york's 17th congressional district. that race not only will determine control of an area about 50 miles from where i'm

sitting, but it could well affect which party controls the house. it's one of two races our ali vitale has been tracking. >> reporter: this is a different kind of mission for pat ryan. >> we won the last time by 1.3%. >> reporter: the new york democrat relying on a reproductive message to keep his seat in this swing district. >> it's an existential personal issue of freedom. if you want to piss off the american people, take their freedom away. >> reporter: his opponent allison esposito, a former cop, hoping to overtake him. >> it's crime, public safety, law and order and the economy, the border crisis, the attack on our kids' education. as far as abortion my opponent wants to make this entire election about abortion.

it's not even a factor in this race. >> what would you like to see fixed first? >> i would like to see a timeline on abortion. >> that's funny. we were saying abortion doesn't come up. he cares. >> so funny. >> reporter: new york's 18th congressional district could decide who controls congress. in 2022 democrats lost five competitive house races in this blue state, helping republicans win the majority. including the 17th district where republican mike lawler bested the head of the campaign arm and hoping to keep this seat red. >> do you still deserve it after the last two years? >> yeah. >> it's been pretty chaotic. >> sure, but at the end of the day name me one thing chuck schumer has accomplished. >> reporter: his opponent disagrees. >> what's your unfinished business in congress? >> i'm proud of the work i

started last term as part of a congress that was pro-choice and pro democracy and committed to delivering for my constituents here. >> reporter: a swirl of local issues, housing, affordability and cleaning up the hudson river mixed with immigration, abortion rights and the economy. a controversial new yorker on the ballot -- >> we're going to win new york. >> reporter: and a traditionally blue state plagued by bad press only adds to the complex landscape. >> the democratic brand here is pretty toxic. is trump's brand better? >> it's not a function of whose brand is better. you look at kathy hochul and eric adams, they're a train wreck. >> i was among the first people to call for him to resign unlike mike lawler who never stands up to donald trump. >> reporter: competing messages flooding the air waves. both incumbents trying to tune out the noise and focus on the

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wheelchairs leaving them without their needed devices. american airlines released a statement saying it's making efforts to improve. and today the boeing machinist union is voting on a new contract to potentially end the nearly six-week strike. this morning's boeing's ceo was on cnbc and had this to say. >> the vote is important. it's more important in terms of our long-term getting back to building airplanes, delivering good airplanes. and so we've worked really hard to find that overlap where we've got a deal that the employees can feel good about and the company can be successful going forward. so i'm very hopeful for the vote. >> nbc's senior correspondent tom costello is following this. tom, a lot riding on this vote. tell us about it. >> yeah, a lot for boeing and for the union members. 33,000 are on strike. they've been demanding a 40% pay hike. they want their pensions back. they were taken away ten years

ago, and they have so far not settled. the latest boeing offer is for a 35% pay hike, bonus money, and more contributions to their 401ks. so far the union leadership as agreed to that offer, but it's up to the union vote today. the obviously 33,000 members have their say on this. as for boeing, the stakes could not be higher. listen, they lost $6 billion in the last quarter. their production line on their primary aircraft, the 737, the 767, and also the 777 shutdown, no activity right now in the pacific north west. they have also seen that they are talking about a 10% cut to their workforce, 17,000 jobs could be cut. there's discussion that their bonds could be downgraded to junk status. airlines are demanding planes that haven't been delivered and are in back order. this is a company in crisis. there is no other way to discuss

it. and getting these workers back to work is going to be critical if this company is going to get back in the air. the talk right now is that probably the union members will go along, but there is deep animosity right now aimed at boeing for years of no to low pay hikes and then losing their pensions ten years ago. there's an awful lot of bad will and animosity even though the current ceo was not the ceo during all of that time. >> so complicated. tom costello, thank you for explaining it to us. that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for chris jansing reports every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with katie tur reports next. h katie tur reports next ♪ pour downy in the rinse, jade ♪ ♪ every now and then i rinse it out! ♪ fights odor in just one wash. hi. i'm damian clark. i'm here to help you

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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. the election is 13 days away now. and with new interviews from donald trump where he repeatedly talked about using the military on americans, specifically democrats, a key voice says he's passed his red line and he's going on the record. john kelly, a four-star general, donald trump's dhs secretary, and his longest serving chief of staff, is using his voice specifically to tell americans that his former boss is messed up. agreeing to a recorder interview with "the new york times" and michael schmidt.

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