empirical question in the final analysis as whether they helped or not, i think there is some evidence they did. do you suspect this has some effect, these ballot initiatives? >> yeah, i do. i do expect this has a major effect. every time reproductive freedom has been on the ballot, it has won in red states, in blue states. this is an issue that affects women of every political stripe, and it is really peeling off suburban republican women, suburban independent women. you wouldn't see the posted campaign that we are all talking about, where women are telling each other in the ladies' room, "your vote is private." like, there is something happening here around this issue, that has galvanized women in a way that i have never seen before. >> and we have seen it in results. i mean, again, there is pulling and there is results and we have seen it in results, clear as day, since dobbs came down. just mcintosh, accu, both. that is "all in" on this wednesday night, "alex wagner tonight" starts right now. alex, welcome back. >> thank you, it's good to be

home. i guess it turns out people like controlling their own bodies, that is something we keep forgetting. >> i know! we have to keep reminding everyone. >> thank you for doing it. this morning, vice president, harris' running mate tim walz cast his ballot in this year's residential election, voting early in minnesota, presumably for himself and kamala harris. after voting, walz took a few moments to talk about what it was like to cast that very surreal vote, and then he quickly turned to this. >> i think for many of us, the last 24 hours certainly have been a bit shaky with the reporting coming out in the atlantic. donald trump's dissension into madness, and john kelly is right, i thank them for having the courage to come forward. >> what governor walz is referencing here is the bombshell report out of the atlantic yesterday that trump allegedly told people in his white house that he needed the kind of generals that hitler had. there is not a lot of subtlety there.

a trump spokesperson denied that trump said anything of the sort, but it was fox news that had this unbelievably creative explanation. >> i could absolutely see him going out, "you know what? it would be great to have german generals that actually do what we ask them to do, knowing that is maybe not being fully cognizant of the third rail of german generals who are nazis, or whatever." >> yeah, maybe trump just didn't know that german generals were, you know, nazis. maybe trump was just specifically aware of the history of how efficient hitler's generals were, and not at all familiar with what, you know, they did. unfortunately, for both trump and fox news, we know that is not the case. here is trump's longest serving chief of staff, john kelly, talking about a conversation he had with trump, repeatedly. >> he commented more than once that, you know, that hitler did

some good things, too. >> "hitler did some good things, too." reporter, michael schmidt, at the new york times, has now published audio of trump's former chief of staff, john kelly, telling schmidt in his own words, what he thinks of his old boss, and the bottom line here, is that kelly thinks trump is a fascist. >> do you think he is a fascist? >> well, looking at the definition of fascism -- it is a far right, authoritarian, ultranationalist, political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a national, social hierarchy -- so, certainly, in my experience, those are the kinds of things that he thinks would work better, in terms of running america. certainly the former president

is in the far right area, he is certainly an authoritarian, admires people who are dictators -- he has said that. so, he certainly falls into the general definition of a fascist, for sure. >> just to be 100% clear, this is trump's former chief of staff, reading the wikipedia definition of fascism, and then saying, yup, yup, that sounds like trump. if this feels like deja vu, you are not crazy. just two weeks ago, bob woodward reported in his new book that trump's former chairman of chief of staff, mark millie, said that trump is "fascist to the corporate" days later, woodward said that he also thinks trump is a fascist, and now trump's longest serving chief of staff, john kelly, is coming out, as well, saying

that trump wants generals like hitler had, saying that trump thought hitler did some good things. and saying that trump fit what kelly believes to be the literal definition of a fascist. today, nbc news confirmed that vice president harris is planning to deliver a closing argument in the form of a speech in washington, d.c. next tuesday, one week from election day. and according to a permit application filled out by the harris campaign, they are specifically asking for space on the ellipse, where trump gave his now infamous speech on january 6th before his followers attacked the capital. and while we don't know what exactly harris' closing message will be, today, we may have gotten a hint. today, the vice president took time out of her schedule -- with only 13 days left to go -- to give these formal remarks. >> so, yesterday, we learned that donald trump's former chief of staff, john kelly, a

retired four star general, confirmed that while donald trump was president, he said he "wanted generals" like adolf hitler had. donald trump said that, because she does not want a military that is loyal to the united states constitution, he wants a military that is loyal to him. he wants a military that will be loyal to him, personally. one that will obey his orders, even when he tells them to break the law, or abandon their oath to the constitution of the united states. in just the past week, donald trump has repeatedly called his fellow americans "the enemy from within." and even said that he would use the united states military to go after american citizens. this is a window into who donald trump really is. from the people who know him best, from the people who worked with him side-by-side in the oval office and in the

situation room, and it is clear, from john kelly's words, that donald trump is someone who i "certainly falls into the general definition of fascists." so, the bottom line is this -- we know what donald trump wants. he wants unchecked power. the question, in 13 days, will be, what do the american people want? >> joining me now is the reporter who broke this major story, michael schmidt, investigative reporter from the new york times. he recently interviewed john kelly in three on the record discussions which were all, of course, on tape. michael, it is great to have you here. what a moment for our democracy. you know, this is not the first time the word "fascist" has come up in the context of donald trump, but this is the first time we have heard it on tape from one of his closest advisers. and i wonder if you could, you know, tell me a little bit

about how this came to be? because the recording of it seems so essential to the impact of the story. was it difficult, convincing general kelly to release this to the public? >> so, i think, to your point, this is all about the audio. these are things that, if you had followed the trump story, that are sort of widely known. his affinity for hitler had been reported. a lot of the things that came out had been reported. but, they had all been reported in text. sometimes, on background. kelly has even put out statements himself, but in writing. but, i thought that it is our job, as journalists, to find new ways to tell important stories to the public, about a range of different things. the question of donald trump, and how he would rule, and what that would mean to democracy, is obviously a very important one. and i felt like this story was

constantly getting bogged down in the text, and it allowed for the trueness of what the facts were to not fully shine through. so, i thought that to do this, you have to get the audio of kelly. you had to hear kelly's voice. you had to hear him struggling with trying to not only explain donald trump's behavior, but sort of push himself to do that, because we are two weeks down from an election. you have never seen john kelly on television. he is not a talking head. john kelly didn't sell a book. john kelly isn't making the rounds. this is somebody who goes to vfw halls, and is talking to young cadets, and marines, and doesn't want anything to do with partisan politics. hates partisan politics. maybe even to a fault. and it took a very, very long

time to get to this point. i had asked kelly to do this over the summer and he said, mike, you are a nice guy, but get lost. and, i -- you know, we just didn't give up. and we continue to push. but, the difference here is the audio. it is the fact that you can hear it, and you can hear it directly from the person. you are not relying on me writing a story about it. you can play it, and you can hear it yourself. in a world in which we, in the media, are struggling to deal with questions of fact, and attacks on the press, i have found that audio is a really helpful way to bring things forward. and i think in this case, it really helped to tell the story, and tell it in a way that was new and different. >> it sounds like the inflection point -- in terms of his decision-making, or his desire to come out -- was trump

saying over the weekend of october 13th, talking about -- it's actually just play the audio, talking about "the enemy within." >> i think the bigger problem is the enemy from within. we have some very bad people. we have some sick people, radical left unit tics, and it should be very easily handled by -- if necessary -- by national guard, or if really necessary, by the military. >> that last part. the military needs to handle the enemy from within. i would imagine from a former military man, that is something that is unconscionable, right? >> if john kelly had a red line, that is over the red line. >> yeah. >> for kelly to hear that a candidate who is running for president, who has already been president -- so, has some appreciation of what it is like to be president -- would, as president, use the military against americans. just goes against pretty much every bone in his body.

this man spent 40 years in the marines. he has taken on the egos of a uniformed military officer, as much as anyone could, and believes the united states military is something that should do things abroad to defend the united states, and that great power, that sacred power, should not be used domestically against americans. and that that is heading down the path of unraveling the country, unraveling what george washington wanted for the country. >> yeah. >> he is someone who is steeped in history. and for him, kelly made a deal with himself. he said, there is two ways that i would speak out. and he has done this over the years. if trump says something that is wildly inaccurate that relates to me, i will speak out. or, if there is something that he says that really needs to be refuted, that is damaging to the country, i will speak out. and this meant that second standard, and that is why we

have audio of john kelly. >> well, and we have seen in recent weeks, a flurry, mattis, milly, kelly, these guys who are former military guys, coming out and calling trump, specifically a fascist, saying, that guy is a fascist. >> but, madison and milly didn't sit for interviews. >> correct. >> they hid behind reporting. >> and if they would like to come out, i'm sure you are ready with a tape recorder. >> but, that is the difference. >> i'm trying to underline the significance of the recording. i guess i'm trying to put it in the context of numerous men who were formally involved in the military, served in the trump administration, using the word "fascist." i'm wondering if you might put a little context around that. which is like, this is more than just a random act of name- calling, right? this is something that has broken within these men, that has pushed them to use one of the worst things you can call an american president, someone who cares nothing for the

democracy or the constitution -- a "fascist." i wonder why you think kelly and particular who is not a political actor -- and said that in your interview -- doesn't take it one step further and doesn't say, don't vote for donald trump, but for, harris. i understand he doesn't want to get involved in politics, his oath is to the constitution, but if you generally believe trump is a threat to the constitution, what recourse is there? >> i think kelly -- this is as far as someone who sees themselves as a uniformed military officer is willing to go. i think this is probably even further than any of them would want to go, because they see partisan politics and their involvement in that -- as bad as using the american military domestically. they don't believe that the military officers should be political actors. and the way that they get there intellectually, or the way that john kelly got there, was, i believe i should speak out because of this issue, in which

i don't think the military should be used domestically. i think it is fair for me -- this is kelly -- to say that voters should consider someone's fitness and character, and that fitness and character is more important than policy, and that i am not going to tell you what to do, but here are some things that i saw, and i will answer factual questions about what i saw. >> well, you can see the subtext of what he is saying quite clearly. it is extraordinary -- an extraordinary conversation, and a real credit to you, that you kept going back to this individual. it has the potential to shape -- speaking at the vice presidential residence as a member of the administration on this. really, a significant piece of reporting. thank you for joining me tonight, michael. >> thanks for having me. coming up, president obama continues to speak out about the choices facing young men in this election. i am going to discuss that with

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away, and so far, over 23.6 million people have already cast their ballots, which is roughly 15% of the total vote in 2020. on the campaign trail today, donald trump made stops in georgia, while kamala harris made another visit to pennsylvania. both of them are making a final pitch to voters, hammering home some remarkably contrasting visions. this was vice president harris today, speaking to campaign volunteers in philadelphia. >> we are building community. we are building coalitions. we are reminding people of one of the motivations behind our campaign, which is we all have so much more in common than what separates us. [ applause ] and that we are going to ask -- we all say, turn the page on an era that was about trying to have people point fingers at each other,

trying to suggest that there are these issues that divide us when the most fundamental important issues we care about unify us. >> and here was donald trump at a town hall in zebulon, georgia, with that state lieutenant governor, bert jones. >> i have been investigated more than any human being, i suspect, in the history of our country, more than alfons capone. al capone was the gangster of all gangsters, scarface, commonly known. i have been investigated more than scarface. my father is looking down from heaven -- i think my father is in heaven, i know my mother is in heaven. but, my father is great. he was a strong guy, a great guy, but a strong guy. >> joining me now is the former senator from the great state of missouri, karen mccaskill, along with tim, thank you both for being here. claire, i was struck by the

fact that, you know, after this reporting in the new york times, the reporting in the atlantic about trump favoring hitler's generals and being called a fascist by his former and long-standing chief of staff, that kamala harris decided to make a moment of it in her official capacity as vice president. she spoke and made a statement today at the naval observatory. what did you think of that? as a matter of sort of politics, and also of stagecraft. >> well, honestly, i have to tell you -- because i know john kelly, i have worked with john kelly, and john kelly is a lot of things. you can find things to criticize about john kelly, but there is one thing that he is, and that is a truth teller. this is a man who does not lie. and the fact that he came out, in his own words, and said especially -- not just that trump was a fascist, frankly may be even more damning than that is him saying in his own words, how trump called men and women who served their country,

and died for their country, "suckers and losers." now, in any other universe, in any other presidential campaign, it would be game over. we do not, in america, call our military suckers and losers, who have sacrificed themselves for our country. and this was particularly difficult for john kelly, because he lost his son in combat, in afghanistan. he is not just a retired four star general. he is also a gold star family member. so, the notion that this man treats the military with this disrespect and sees the military as his own toy, john kelly reveres the military. he is a military man 100%. when he took the job of chief of staff, he called me, i said, "what are you doing? why are you doing this?" and he said, "i feel like my country needs me in this

capacity right now, i think i can help." and then, obviously, he learned the hard way that there is no one who can help donald trump. >> yeah, i mean, i am struck, tim, by the contrast, the gravity of what claire is talking about, the reporting we have about kelly, the decision he made to come out publicly, effectively, with this audio recording. and then, this sort of moment we just played for you of trump earlier in the day about alfons capone and doing his wiseguy stick. and i am wondering if there is some lesson in that, because these reports we have about trump are so alarming, and yet with a certain section of the electorate, it doesn't seem to be resonating the way it should. and i wonder if it has anything to do with his sort of -- you know, his looney tunes routine on the campaign trail, which may be lowe's people into thinking he is not as dangerous as his words might suggest he actually is. >> yeah, i do think that is

happening. there is an element of it that is the antihero part of trump, the tony soprano, some people like that, some people are looking for that. that is alarming and that says something about our country that we are going to have to do with no matter what happens in a couple of weeks. but, i do think there is a group of people that, despite january 6th -- and it is hard for people to watch this show or this program and believe -- but, despite january 6th, there remains a group of people that abides by that and taken seriously, but not literally. there is a little bit of a tongue in cheek, that he is doing this cause i comedy routine, that this guy can't really be hitler, right? he can't really be mussolini. that is ridiculous. that couldn't happen, here. there are people that still think that. and i think that is why, to me, just thinking of this politically, for the harris campaign, i think the most compelling parts of the testimony from john kelly are more about the practical elements of what happened. right? during 2020, trump wanted his generals to shoot the protesters, and when he was told that they can't do that, you know, he called the generals -- well, i can see it on this

show -- he called them wussies, but worse than that, right? so, that is not hitler, right? that is, oh, yeah, this guy, if he gets in charge again, he wants to have generals and people around him that will let him actually target the enemy within, the political foes in the country and actually shoot them. that is kind of a believable thing. a believable thing is that his own vice president, his own chief of staff, his own defense secretary are so worried about him that they are not only not going to vote for him, but they are sounding the alarm. and i think the harris campaign can use those arguments with affect to this small group -- i think david said it is about 4% of the electorate that still haven't decided. that 4% is mostly people who don't like trump. they might not believe he is hitler, or hitler curious, right? but, they certainly could believe that he is irresponsible, dangerous, et cetera. i think that is something that you will see from the harris

campaign. >> yeah, and i think that explains the decision we are hearing, claire, to make a closing argument on the ellipse, where trump famously gave his speech riling up the crowd to get them to go storm the capital. and i sort of wonder, we talked so much about the economy, of course, the primal issue on voters' minds, but to tim's point, it is clear that this campaign has zeroed in on these republicans who do not want to vote for someone who is literally hitler curious, for whom there will be no guard rails in the second administration. what do you think about zeroing in on them in the last week of the campaign? >> well, i think what we heard in the clip you played, alex, is really where she should spend most of her time. most of the ban with should be on you to find this country, appealing to our better angels, telling everyone, we don't have to have this chaos every day, we don't have to have this clown show. we can have a country where we

can civilly disagree on policy without threatening to put people in jail, or calling the military out. we can fix the problem at the border by working together in a bipartisan way. we can address the problems our country faces by coming together and finding things we can agree on, and changing public policy for a positive way. she needs to stay very positive at the end. but, doing the speech at the ellipse will be an echo, it will be a reminder of what happened at that place on january 6th. and that will provide the contrast. i do not think she will have to color in too much on that, because i think the media will do it by reminding everyone, this is where trump sent them down to the capital, this is where the mob started, this is the people he called together to do damage to our constitution, and to free and fair elections. but, i think she needs to be in contrast to trump. she doesn't need to convince

people that trump is hitler in the closing two weeks of this campaign. she needs to convince people that she is a better way and that she is something much different. >> and to that end, tim, jonathan martin in politico magazine suggested that she needs to do more specific outreach to republicans, suggesting, you know, that harris has said nothing specific about how she would govern, mentioning no looming issue on which she would work with republicans, offering no reassurances about leading the country from the political center. there are more suggestions in the piece. i -- it is an interesting concept, but i'm not sure how feasible that is, at all, without alienating, i don't know, the entire democratic party. >> yeah, i see where his head is at on this. i understand that maybe there is a temptation to be a little bit more specific in reaching out to the haley voters. but, to me, i think if you look at the data among the haley voters, the things that are the most compelling to them are what we have just been talking about, the fact that the officials around trump say that he is too dangerous to be president, one, on january 6th.

and two -- i know this is hard to think because you think about republicans being pro- life, but reproductive rights. it tends to be the more moderate republican types who maybe aren't pro-choice, they don't self identify as pro- choice, but they certainly don't like the extreme bills that you have seen past in texas, et cetera, were you see the vice president going to campaign there on friday to talk about that. so, i think those two issues, you combine that with talking about nato, talking about supporting ukraine, talking about these traditional america's role in the world, and the weight that she has and how this is reminiscent of how mccain may be might have talked about it, maybe not the details about iran or whatever, but certainly about how we support our democratic allies and the importance of american leadership and how we don't bow down to dictators. i think that foreign-policy element plus the reproductive rights, plus january 6th are the best messages for her to close with with that group, and the polling bears that out. >> tim miller and claire mccaskill, great getting her strategist hat on and hearing for both of you guys.

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yourself." seconds after sharing the stage with eminem, himself. not everybody would have the confidence to pull that off, which is one of the many reasons that obama remains the parties most powerful surrogate, other than, of course, his wife. especially when you compare obama's wrap skills to those of vivid ramaswamy whose own edition of "lose yourself" was so bad, it earned him a cease and desist from eminem. now, offstage, the former president has recently caused a little controversy for the harris campaign. at a recent event in pittsburgh, former president obama made remarks directed specifically at young black men, suggesting those that don't support kamala harris might be uncomfortable with a woman president. remarks that some interpreted as scolding. i recently spoke with one voter in philadelphia who described those comments this way. >> i was deeply offended, and it felt like a moment where it is like, you and words better

get in line and do what we say, and it felt like, him, as the czar of the democratic party, coming down to say, go get these n-words in line, and the general tone of it was disgusting. it was abhorrent. i don't respect it, i didn't like nothing about it. >> well, today, the former president seems to have shifted his tone. here was a moment today on the "young man and the three" podcast hosted by young nba stars, about why young men might be trump curious this election. >> yellow -- you all have came of age, you were still in school when i was president and the financial crisis hit, but then you lived through a pandemic that was -- i think we are all still doing with it. a lot of young men today are coming out of school feeling like, it is going to be hard for me to match what my parents achieved.

maybe, you know, because of cost of living, it is going to be hard for me to buy a house, or support a family in the same way. a lot of young men, they get frustrated, and they say, well, nothing has happened. and the flipside is, you know, when you've got people who don't care about you, they can make it worse. >> the former president reckoning with young, male frustration, but making clear that the solution is not voting for someone like donald trump. coming up, i will talk to the one person in the united states senate who has thought about this issue, probably more than anyone else. senator chris murphy joins me, coming up, next. ng up, next.

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you know for a fact that misogyny and sexism is a real thing in this country, but at the end of the day, we know she is strong, right? we know she is educated. there is no way you can have the credentials that she has and served in the positions c has served in, and people look at her as unqualified. that in itself is a certain level of sexism and i can't think a male with the same credentials would resume the same criticism. >> that is city council member isaiah thomas who i spoke to last night, weighing in on the very real gender divide this election. recent polling shows only 41% of men plan to vote for kamala harris, compared with 57% who plan to vote for donald trump. that is a 4% drop since joe

biden support in 2020. senator chris murphy in connecticut has written about the unique stressors, including loneliness and the achievement gap, that might ultimately be pushing men toward the right in a piece called "the reason to care about the plight of men," murphy writes, "men are committing suicide at a rate four times higher than women, 10% more women are enrolled in college today than men, 70% of drug overdose deaths in america today are males." i don't think we can deny that a lot of men are in crisis today. joining me now to discuss is the man who wrote that, democratic senator from connecticut, chris murphy. senator murphy, thanks so much for joining me tonight. i have found your attention to this subject and your writing about it incredibly empathetic, and missing, in a lot of ways, from the national discourse, because i think we all, rightly so, has been very focused on women's rights, help her reproductive rights, lgbt plus and that all desserts focus, but hand-in-hand, there is

something else unfolding that i think probably warrants some focus. given, especially, the potential reproductions in the political sphere. can you talk about the repercussions you see unfolding and how that ties in with other crises we see? >> yeah, this is an enormous and really complicated issue. let me foot stomp for a second, what you just said. we still live in a world in which men make more money for women, men have more economic and political power. that is all true. and women, right now, are fighting for their rights, and their lives. but, it is also true that a lot of men are going through something right now, and it is not hard to understand why. for thousands of years, we lived in a society which, by birth, men had more legal power, more economic power, more cultural power, then women. today, we live in a world in which that patriarchy is toppling, and one of the

biggest signals that the patriarchy is toppling, is the pending election of a woman to be the most powerful person in the world. and so, you know, men, for centuries, sort of easily found their identity through that system of men having more legal power. they were identified easily as protectors, and breadwinners. now, you have just as many families where women make if -- as much if not more than the men do. what men want, what everybody wants, but certainly what young men want is a feeling of power. donald trump and republicans offer it in a pretty simple recipe. we are just going to dial it back to the days where men were legally superior to women. we are essentially going to take power from women and deliver it to men. but, that is not how it has to work. power is not a zero-sum game,

but you have to take it from somebody to give it to somebody else and what kamala harris is saying is that the corporations, and the millionaires, and the billionaires, they have too much power and i am going to reorder our economy and society in a way to deliver everybody, including young men, more economic power, by letting you get a big tax break to start a small business, but making it easier for young men or young families to be able to afford your first house. young men are going through something today. they want to feel power. and i don't think they actually want to take that power from women. but, democrats often don't speak directly to those young men and explained to them how our agenda, how kamala harris' agenda, is about putting power back in the hands of everybody in this country, but especially young men, and men who feel like this transition to a post- patriarchal world has put them in a position where they are searching, and they are having a harder time to find identity and meaning. >> it is just such a challenge for harris, because she represents a post-patriarchal world in a lot of ways, which is why i thought former

president obama's comments on the nba podcast today and just -- you know, his intentionality, in terms of talking to young men in a way that i think is effectively trying to bring them back from the brink of being attracted to the siren song of trumpism -- i think that that is probably a pretty important role for him to play, given the realities of where we are, in terms of the gender divide in this election. >> you know, and listen, the right is having a direct, transparent conversation with men, and it is often in disgusting, immoral, whether it be andrew tate or jordan peterson. but, often times, the left says to young men, yes, we live in a world today in which women are increasing their share of political and economic power in which you are no longer going to be able to find that easy identity as a breadwinner or protector, and you just need to get over it.

i don't think that that is a satisfactory message. i think that you have got to explain to young men how there are other ways that they can find power and identity, that there is nothing wrong with creating an identity that is both protector and nurturer, and caregiver. and so, having that direct conversation that president obama is having with young men about what has happened to them over the course of the pandemic, what has happened more broadly in an era of feminism, i think is a really important conversation and it is one that we have been having and having with intentionality, like the right has had. >> it is such an important point, and again, everybody writing on this and everybody taking on this, this is pretty unique in the sphere. senator chris murphy, thanks for your time tonight. i appreciate you. >> thank you. coming up, the harris campaign is already making plans for trump to declare victory prematurely on election night. we are going to talk to super lawyer, mark elias of the harris campaign about what to expect. that is next. that is next.

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there is some new reporting by nbc news that the harris walz campaign is preparing for donald trump to prematurely declare himself the winner on election night before the results are tabulated. sound familiar? joining me now is mark elias. he is helping the harris walz in the post litigation strategy. thank you for being here, we are hearing words, we have reporting about the trump campaign filing preelection lawsuits. and i wonder what you think of this prebuttal for election day? >> we know donald trump uses the legal system not to adjudicate things on the merits but to make a point. sometimes to intimidate his business associates. sometimes it is to victimize innocent consumers. we know he has used it to try to further a false narrative,

the big lie that serve as a permission structure for him and his supporters to deny the reality he lost in 2020 and he will almost certainly lose the popular vote and the election in 2024. he has his lawyers file a bunch of lawsuits. but we have to be clear. those lawsuits are not succeeding. just today, he lost, the rnc lost a big case in pennsylvania. they lost one in georgia. the day before that, they lost one in michigan and north carolina. their conservatives lost one. certainly democrats and progressive organizations are out there fighting every day to make sure that is true. >> we know this is not going to be resolved on election night.

it will take several days to get the results in. i wonder if you have suggestions about how to navigate the post election day period. honestly for people in the media and for people out there in the world. businesses out there in the world. >> make sure everyone votes and don't let the cynics convince people it doesn't matter. the cynics want you to believe there will be chaos and donald trump wants you to believe your vote doesn't matter and that's not true. everyone needs to get out and vote. in the post election period, understand it is normal for it to take a few days for the ballots to be counted. part of that is the normal process of counting ballots at the local level and at the county levels and so it takes a few days. it is also the fact that republicans around the country have prevented the faster counts of ballots. they want that to be the period

of uncertainty. donald trump lies about almost everything. there is no reason he will stop lying about the election. treat what comes out of the rnc as the kind of nonsense you hear them spew every day on other things. the difference here is he is doing it to undermine confidence confidence. my job is to worry about everything. that i worry about everything now and election day. for voters their job is to make sure they vote. their job is to not get

dissuaded and not buy into the republican big lie. we'll make sure there is an orderly process. donald trump and his allies filed 60 plus lawsuits last time. and stage a violent insurrection at the nation's capital. the vote was certified on january 6th. so, people need to make sure they vote. >> mark elias will be up worrying and we just got to vote. you heard it from the man here first. thank you for joining me tonight. i really appreciate it. that is our show this evening. before we go, i will note there is a new episode of pod save america. it is up now. i cohosted it with dan fifer. we discuss john kelly and eminem and whether or not malia and sasha were embarrassed or impressed by barack obama's performance. now it is time for the last