angeles lakers season opener against los angeles timberwolves. they only shared the court for like 2 1/2 minutes, but it was an emotional moment and the long time in the making. here's what they had to say after the game. >> going onto the floor with my dad checking in for the first time, that the crazy moment i will never forget. >> it's family. it's always been a family. for me, i lost a lot of time because of this league and committing to this league, be in on the road at times, missing a lot of his thing so to be able to have this moment where i working still and working alongside my son is one of the greatest gifts i've ever gotten from the man above and i'm going to take full advantage of it. >> that is absolutely amazing. wishing looked at his father and son working together. never easy, not to be doing it on the court in front of the whole wide world. that is awesome news and on that news, i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc, thanks for staying up late, and see you at the end of tomorrow.

this morning, vice president, harrises -- harris' running mate tim walz cast his ballot in the early presidential elections, presumably for himself and kamala harris. after voting, walz took a moment to talk about what it was like to cast his vote and then he quickly turned to this. >> i think for many of us, the last 24 hours certainly have been a bit shaking with the reporting coming out in the atlantic, donald trump's dissension into madness. >> what governor walz is referencing here is the bombshell reporting out of the atlantic yesterday that trump allegedly told people in his white house that he needed the kind of generals that hitler had. there is not a lot of subtlety there.

the trump spokesperson denied trump said anything of the sort but it was fox news that had this unbelievably creative explanation. >> i could absolutely see him go you know what? it would be great to have german generals that actually do what we ask them to do, knowing that is maybe not fully been cognizant of the third rail of german generals were nazi s or whatever. >> yeah, maybe trump just didn't know that german generals were, you know, . maybe trump was just specifically aware of the history of how efficient hitler's generals were not at all familiar with what they did. unfortunately for both trump and fox news, we know that is not the case. here's tom's longest-serving chief of staff, john kelly, talking about a conversation he had with trump repeatedly. >> he commented more than once that you know, hitler did some good things, too.

>> reporter michael schmidt at the new york times has no published audio of trump's former chief of staff, john kelly, telling schmidt in his own words what he thinks of his old boss. the bottom line here is that kelly things trump is a fascist. >> do you think he is a fascist? >> well, looking at the deposition of fascism, it is a far right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized photography, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, police and natural social hierarchy. so, certainly, in my experience, those are the kinds of things that he thinks would work better in terms of running america. certainly, the former president

was in the four-right area. he is certainly an authoritarian, admires people who are dictators. he has said that. so, he certainly falls into the general definition just two weeks ago, bob woodward reported in his new book that trumps former chief of staff mark millie said trump is fascist to the core. days later, woodward told the

bowl work that trumps secretary of defense james mattis also thinks trump is a fascist and now his longest-serving chief of staff, john kelly, is coming out as well saying that trump wants generals like hitler had, saying that trumps that hitler did some good things. and, saying that trump fits what kelly believes to be the literal definition of a fascist. today, nbc news confirmed that vice president harris is planning to deliver a closing argument in the form of a speech in washington, d.c. next tuesday, one week from election day and according to a permit application filled out by the harris campaign, they are specifically asking for space on the ellipse were trump gave his now infamous speech on january 6 before his followers attacked the capital and while we don't know what exactly her closing message will be today, we may have gotten a hit. today, the vice president took time out of her schedule with only 13 days left to go to give these formal remarks.

>> yesterday, we learned that donald trump's former chief of staff, john kelly, a retired four-star general, confirmed that while donald trump was president, he said he wanted generals like adolf hitler had. donald trump said that because he does not want a military that is loyal to the united states constitution. he wants a military that is loyal to him. he wants a military who will be loyal to him personally. one that will obey his orders even when he tells them to break the law or abandon their oath to the constitution of the united states. in just the past week, donald trump has repeatedly called his fellow americans the enemy from within , and even said that he would use the united states military to go after american citizens. this is a window into who donald trump really is. from the people who know him best, from the people who worked with him side-by-side in the oval office and in the situation room, it is clear

from john kelly's words that donald trump is someone who i quote, certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, so the bottom line is this. we know what donald trump wants. he wants unchecked power. the question, in 13 days, will be what to the american people want. >> joining me now is the reporter who broke this major story, michael schmidt, investigative reporter for the new york times. he recently interviewed john kelly in three on the record discussions which are all on tape. it's great to have you here. what a moment for our democracy. you know, this is not the first time the word fascist has come up in the context of donald trump but this is the first

time we've heard it on tape from one of his closest advisers, and i wonder if you could tell me a little bit about how this came to be because the recording of it seems so essential to the impact of the story. was it difficult convincing general kelly to release this to the public? >> i think to your point, this is all about the audience. these are things that if you have followed the trump story, that are sort of widely known. his affinity for hitler had been reported. a lot of the things that came out had been reported, but they had all been reported in text, sometimes on background, sometimes kelly has even put out statements himself, but in writing but i thought that it is our job as journalists to find new ways to tell important stories to the public about a range of different things. the question of donald trump and how he would rule, and what he would leave to the democracy is obviously really important one and i felt like the story

was constantly getting bogged down in the text, and it allowed for the trueness of what the facts were not to fully shine through, so i thought that to do this, you had to get the audio of kelly. you had to hear kelly's voice. you had to hear him struggling with trying to not only explain donald trump's behavior, but sort of push himself to do that , because we are two weeks out from an election. you have never seen john kelly on television. he is not a talking head. john kelly did not sell a book. he is not making the rounds. this is someone who goes to vfw halls and is talking to young cadets and marines and doesn't want anything to do with partisan politics, hates partisan politics, maybe even to a fault, and it took a long

time to get to this point. i had asked kelly to do this over the summer and he said you know, you're a nice guy but got lost, and you know, we just didn't give up. we continue to push, but the difference here is the audio. it is the fact that you can hear it and you can hear it directly from the person. you are not relying on me writing a story about it. you can play it and you can hear it herself -- your self and in the world in which we in the media are struggling to deal with questions of fact and attacks on the press, i have found that audio is a really helpful way to bring things forward. i think in this case, it really helped to tell the story in a way that was new and different. >> it sounds like the inflection point in terms of his desire to come out, was trump saying over the weekend

of october 13th, was actually just play the audio, talking about the enemy within. >> i think the bigger problem is the enemy from within. we have some very bad people. we have some six -- sick people, radical left and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by national guard or if really necessary by the military. >> that last part, the military needs to handle the enemy from within. i would imagine for a former military man, that is something that is unconscionable. >> if john kelly had a redline, that is over the red line. the for kelly to hear that a candidate who is running for president, who has already been president, so has some appreciation of what it is like to be president would, as president, use the military

against americans, just goes against pretty much every bone in his body. this man spent 40 years in the marines. he has taken on the ethos of the uniformed military officer as much as anyone could, and believes the united states military is something that should do things abroad to defend the united states and that great power, that sacred power should not be used domestically against americans and that is heading down the path of unraveling the country, unraveling what george washington wanted for the country. he is someone who is steeped in history, and for him -- kelly made a deal with himself. he said there are two ways that i will speak out, and he has done this over the years. if trump says something that is wildly inaccurate that relates to me, i will speak out or if there is something he says that

really needs to be refuted that is damaging to the country, i will speak out, and this meant that second standard and that is why we have audio of john kelly. >> we have seen, in recent weeks, a flurry, these guys who are former military guys coming out and calling trump specifically a fascist, saying that guy is a fascist. >> mattis and millie did not sit for interviews. not meant >> correct and if they would like to come out i'm sure you're ready. i don't want to undermine the significance of the reporting. i guess i am trying to put it in the context of numerous men who are involved formally in the military, serving in the trump administration and using the word fascist and wondering if you might put a little context around that which is like this is more than a random act of name-calling. this is something that has broken within these men, that has pushed them to use one of the worst things you can call an american president, someone who cares nothing for democracy

or the constitution, a fascist. i wonder why you think kelly in particular, who is not a political actor and says that in your interview, doesn't take it one step further and says don't vote for donald trump. i understand he doesn't want to get involved in politics but if he genuinely believes trump is a threat to the constitution, what recourse is there? >> i think that kelly -- this is as far as someone who seems -- sees himself as a uniformed military officer is willing to go. i think this is even further than any of them would want to go because they see partisan politics and their involvement in that as bad as using the american military domestically. they don't believe that the military officers should be political actors, and the way that they get there intellectually, or that john kelly got there, was i believe i should speak out because of

this issue in which i don't think the military should be used domestically. i think it is fair for me, this is kelly, to say that voters should consider someone's fitness and character, and that fitness and character is more important than policy, and that i am not going to tell you what to do but here are some things that i saw, and i will answer factual questions about what i saw. >> well, you can see the subtext. it is extraordinary, and extraordinary conversation on the real credit to you that you kept going back to this individual. the vice president speaking as a member of the administration on this, really an important piece of reporting. start coming up, president obama continues to speak out

about the choices facing young men in this election. i'm going to discuss that with senator chris murphy who has a lot of thoughts on this topic. first, 13 days left and millions of votes already cast. we have two very different closing messages. one involves democracy. the other involves al capone. tim miller and claire mccaskill join me on that coming up next.

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connectivity is a big part of my boys' lives. it brings people together in meaningful ways. ♪ ♪ election day is 13 days away and so far over 23 million people have cast their ballots which is roughly over 16% of the total vote in 2020. on the campaign trail today, donald trump made stops in georgia while kamala harris made another visit to pennsylvania. both of them are making a final pitch to voters and bring home

some remarkably contracting visions -- contrasting visions. >> we are building community. we are building coalitions. we are reminding people of one of the motivations behind our campaign, which is that we all have so much more in common than what separates us. and, that we are going to turn the page on an era that was about trying to have people point fingers at each other, trying to suggest that there are these issues that divide us when the most fundamental, important issues we care about unify us. >> here was donald trump at a town hall in zebulon, georgia, with that states lieutenant governor bert jones. >> i have been investigated more than any human being i suspect in the history of our

country. more than alfons capone. did anyone ever hear of al capone? he was the gangster of all gangsters, scarface. i've been investigated more than scarface. my father is looking down from heaven. i think my father is in heaven. i know my mother is in heaven but my father is great. he was a strong guy but a great guy but a strong guy. >> joining me now is a former senator from missouri claire mccaskill around with tim miller . i was struck by the fact that after this reporting in the new york times, the reporting in the atlantic about trump favoring hitler's generals and been called a fascist by his former and long-standing chief of staff, that kamala harris decided to make a moment of it in her official capacity as vice president. she spoke and made a statement today at the naval observatory. what did you think of that as a matter of politics and also of stagecraft? >> honestly, i'm going to tell you because i know john kelly, i worked with john kelly, and john kelly is a lot of things

and you can find things to criticize about john kelly but there is one thing that he is, and that is a truth teller. this is a man who does not lie. and the fact that he came out in his own words and said, especially not just that trump was a fascist likely maybe more damning than that is him saying in his own words how trump called men and women who serve their country and died for their country, suckers and losers. in any other universe than any other presidential campaign it would be game over. we do not in america call our military suckers and losers, who have sacrificed themselves for our country, and this was particularly difficult for john kelly because he lost his son in combat in afghanistan. he is not just a retired four star general. he is also a gold star family members so the notion that this

man treats the military with this disrespect and sees the military as his own toy -- john kelly revers the military. he is a military man 100%. when he took the job as chief of staff he called me, i said what are you doing? why are you doing this and he said i feel like my country needs me in this capacity right now. i think i can help and then obviously he learned the hard way that there is no one who can help donald trump. >> i am struck by the contrast, the gravity of what claire is talking about, the reporting we have about kelly, the decision he made to come out publicly with this audio recording and then the moment we just played for you, trump earlier in the day talking about alfons capone and doing his kind of wiseguy stick and i wonder if there is some lesson in that because these reports we have about trump are so alarming and yet with a certain section of the electorate it does not seem to be resonating the way it should

and i wonder if it has anything to do with his sort of you know, his looney tunes routine on the campaign trail, which may be lulls people into thinking he is not as dangerous as his words might suggest he actually is. >> i do think there is an element of that, the antihero part of trump, tony soprano, some people like that. some people are looking for that. that is alarming and that says something about our country that we are going to have to deal with no matter what happens in a couple of weeks but i do think there is a group of people that despite january 6, and it's hard for people who watch this program to believe, but despite january 6, there remain a people that abides there that take him seriously but not literally thing. there's a little bit of a tongue in cheek, that he's doing this quasi-comedy routine, that this guy can't really be hitler, right, that's ridiculous.

that can happen here. there are people that still think that, and just thinking about this politically for the harris campaign, i think the most compelling parts of the testimony from john kelly are more about like in the practical elements of what happened like during 2020, donald trump wanted his generals to shoot the protesters when he was told that they can't do that, you know, he called the generals -- well, i can't say it on the show but with these, but worse than that. that's something people can grasp. that's not hitler but this guy, if he gets in charge again, he wants generals and people around him that will let him actually target the enemy within, the political foes in the country and actually shoot them. like, that is a believable thing. a believable thing is that his own vice president, his own

chief of staff, his own defense secretary are so worried about him that they are not only not going to vote for him but they are sounding the alarm and i think the harris campaign can use those arguments with effect to you now, this kind of small group. they would call themselves about 4% of the electorate still deciding. that 4% are those people that don't like truck. they might not want to believe he is hitler or hitler-curious right, but they certainly could believe he is irresponsible, dangerous, et cetera and i think that is something you will see from the harris campaign. >> yes, and i think that explains the decision we are hearing to make a closing argument on the national mall up on the ellipse were trump gave his speech rowling -- rallying the crowd to get them

to go storm the capital. and the economy is the prime issue on the voters mind but to tim's point, it is clear that the complaint is zeroed in on these republicans that do not want to have to vote for someone who is literally hitler- curious, for whom there will be no guard rails in the second administration. what you think about zeroing in on them in the last week of the campaign? >> i think what we heard in the clip you played is really where she should spend most of her time. most of the bandwidth should be on unifying this country, appealing to our better angels, telling everyone we don't have to have this chaos every day. we don't have to have this clown show. we can have a country where we can civilly disagree on policy without threatening to put people in jail or calling the military out. we can fix the problem at the border by working together in a bipartisan way. we can address the problems our country faces by coming together and finding things we can agree on and changing public policy in a positive way. she needs to stay very positive at the end but doing a speech at the ellipse will be an echo. it will be a reminder of what happened at that place on january 6, and that will

provide the contrast. i don't think she will have to color in too much on that because i think the media will do it by reminding everyone, this is where trump sent them down to the capital. this is where the mob started. these are the people he called together to do damage to our constitution and to free and fair elections. i think she needs to be a contrast to trump. she does not need to convince people that trump is hitler in the closing two weeks of this campaign. she needs to convince people that she is a better way and that she is something much different. >> to that end, john martin of politico magazine suggest she needs to do more specific outreach to republicans suggesting that harris has said nothing specific about how she would govern, mention a looming issue on which she would work with republicans offered no reassurance from the center. there are more suggestions in the piece. it's an interesting concept, but i'm not sure how feasible that is at all without alienating, i don't know, the entire democratic party. >> yeah, i see where his head

is out on this. i understand there is a temptation to try to be more specific in reaching out to the haley voters but to me, i think that if you look at the data among the haley voters, things that are the most compelling to them are what we have just been talking about. the fact that the officials around trump say he is too dangerous to be president on january 6 and two, i know this is weird to think because you think about republicans being pro-life, but reproductive rights because it tends to be the more moderate types that maybe are not pro-chive -- pro- choice or maybe do not identify as pro-choice but don't like the extreme bills you've seen passed in texas where you saw the vice president campaign there to talk about that. i think you combine that with talking about nato, supporting ukraine, america's role in the world and in the way that she has and in a way that is reminiscent of how mccain would have maybe talked about it,

maybe not on the details of iran but certainly about how we support democratic allies and the importance of american leadership and how we don't cow to the dictators. i think that foreign policy element plus the reproductive rights plus january 6th are probably the best messages for her to close with, and the polling bears that out. >> tim miller and claire mccaskill, right hearing from both of you guys. thanks for your time tonight. still had to make, the harris-walls campaign is preparing for donald trump to declare victory on election night before the count is finalized. but first -- ♪ ♪ vic ramaswamy tried to wrap lose yourself on the campaign trail

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so, i don't usually get nervous but i was feeling some kind of way following eminem. now, i notice palms are sweaty,

knees weak, arms are heavy. now i'm nervous but on the surface i look calm and ready >> >> last night in detroit, former president obama wrapped a few bars of m&ms lose yourself. seconds after sharing the stage with eminem himself. i mean, not everybody would have the confidence to pull that off, which is one of the many reasons that obama remains the parties most powerful surrogate other than, of course, his wife, especially when you compare obama's wrap skills to those of vivek ramaswamy his own rendition of lose yourself was so bad it earned him a cease and desist from eminem. now, offstage, the former president has recently caused a little controversy for the harris campaign at a recent

event in pittsburgh. former president obama made remarks directed specifically at young black men suggesting those who do not support kamala harris might be uncomfortable with a woman president, remarks that some interpreted as scolding. i recently spoke with one voter in philadelphia who described his comments this way. >> i was deeply offended and it felt like a moment where it's like you n-words but i get online and do what we say and it felt like him as the czar of the democratic party coming down to say go get these n- words in line and the general tone of it was disgusting. it was abhorrent. i don't respect it. i did not like nothing about it. >> today the former president seems to have shifted his town. here is obama today on the young men in the three podcast hosted about why young men might be curious this election. >> you all came of age. you are still in school when i

was president, then the financial crisis hit, but then you live through a pandemic that was -- i think we are all still dealing with. a lot of young men today are coming out of school feeling like it's going to be hard for me to match what my parents achieved, maybe you know, because of the cost of living it's going to be hard for me to buy a house or support a family in the same way. a lot of young men, they get frustrated and they say well, nothing has happened in the flipside is, you know, when you have people who don't care about you, they can make it worse. >> the former president reckoning with young male frustration but making clear that the solution is not voting for someone like donald trump. coming up, i will talk to the one person in the united states senate who is thought about this issue probably more than anyone else, senator chris

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there's no way she has the credentials she has and has served in the positions she has served in and people look at her and say she's unqualified. that in itself is a certain level of sexism. >> that is philadelphia city councilmember isaiah thomas, who i spoke with last night. he is waiting in on the very real gender divide this election. recent polling shows only 41% of men plan to come -- look for kamala harris compared to the 57% you plan to vote for donald trump, a 4% drop since joe biden support in 2020. senator chris murphy of connecticut has written about the unique stressors including loneliness and the achievement gap that might ultimately be pushing men toward the right and a piece called "reason to care about the plight of men. " he writes men are committing suicide and rate four times higher than women. 10% more women are enrolled in college today than men. 70% of drug overdose deaths in america today are males. i don't think we can deny that

a lot of men are in crisis today. joining me now to discuss is the man who wrote that, democratic senator from connecticut chris murphy. thank you so much for joining me tonight. i have found your attention to the subject and writing about it incredibly empathetic, and missing in a lot of ways from the national discourse because i think we all, rightly so, have been very focused on women's rights, reproductive rights, lgbtq+ and that all deserves its focus but hand-in- hand, there is something else unfolding that i think probably warrants some focus, given especially the potential repercussions here. can you talk about the potential crisis you see unfolding and how that dovetails with other crises we see? >> yes. this is an enormous and complicated issue. let me put stop for a second what you just said. we still live in a world in which men make more money than women. and have more economic and political power. that is all true, and women right now are fighting for their rights and their lives, but it is also true that a lot of men are going through something right now and it is not hard to understand why. for thousands

of years we have lived in a society in which my birth, men had more legal power, more economic power, more cultural power than women and today we live in a world in which that patriarchy is toppling, and one of the biggest signals that the picky artery -- patriarchy is toppling is the pending election of a woman to be one of the most powerful people in the world and men for centuries easily found their identity through that system of men having more legal power. they were identified easily as protectors and breadwinners and now you have just as many families were women make as much if not more money than the men do. what men want, what everybody wants, but what certainly young men want is a feeling of power and donald trump and republicans offer it in a pretty simple recipe. we're just going to dial it back to the days where men were

legally superior to women. we are essentially going to take power from women and deliver it to men but that's not how it has to work. power is not a zero-sum game but you have to take it from somebody to give it to somebody else and what, here is the same as the corporations, the millionaires and billionaires, they have too much power and i'm going to reorder our society in a way to deliver everybody, including young men, more economic power by letting you get a tax break to start a small business, by making it easier for young men or young families to be able to afford your first house. young men are going through something today. they want to feel power and i don't think they actually want to take that power from women but the democrats often don't speak directly to those young men and explain to them how our agenda, how kamala harris' agenda is about putting power back in the hands of everybody in this country, but especially young men, and men who feel like

this transition to a post- patriarchal world is put them in a position where they're searching and having a harder time to find identity and meaning. >> it is just such a challenge for harris because she represents a post-patriarchal walled in a lot of ways, which is why i thought former president obama's comments on the nba podcast today and you know, his intentionality in terms of talking to young men in a way that i think is effectively trying to bring them back from the brink of being attracted to the siren song of trumpism, i think that is probably a pretty important role for him to play given the realities of where we are in terms of the gender divide in this election. >> listen, the right is having a direct transparent conversation with men, and it is often in disgusting, immoral terms, whether that be andrew tate or jordan peterson, but

often, the left says to young men yes, we live in a world today in which women are increasing their share of political and economic power in which you are no longer going to be able to find that is the identity as a breadwinner, protector, and easy to get over it. i don't think that is a satisfactory message. you've got to explain to young men how there are other ways that they can find power and identity, that there is nothing wrong with creating an identity that is both protector and nurturer and caregiver so having that direct conversation president obama is having with young men about what is happened to them over the course of the pandemic, what is have it -- happening more broadly in an era of feminine -- feminism is a more important conversation and one we have been having with intentionality. >> it is such an important

point and i direct everybody to your writing and thinking on this because it is really unique in this sphere. thanks for your time tonight. i appreciate you. start coming up, the harris campaign is already making plans for trump to declare victory prematurely on election night. we are going to talk with superlawyer mark elias of the harris campaign about what to expect. that is next. out what to expect. that is next. it provides 2 shades whiter teeth as well as providing 24/7 sensitivity protection. patients are going to love to see sensodyne on the shelf.

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the winner on election night before all of the results are tabulated. sound familiar? >> mark, thank you for being here. i do wonder, we are hearing words, well, we have reporting, of the campaign filing pre- election lawsuits. i wonder what you think of this for election day? >> we have known they use the legal system not to adjudicate things on merits but to make a point. intimidate his business associates, sometimes victimize innocent consumers, products. trying to further a false narrative, the big lie that serves as a permission structure given his supporters to deny the reality that he lost in 2020 and lose the

popular vote and probably the election in 2024. the way he deals with this, he has his lawyers file a bunch of lawsuits. we have to be clear. the lawsuits are not succeeding. just today he, the rnc lost a big case in pennsylvania. yesterday, in georgia, the day before that they lost one in north carolina, they are, their conservative allies lost one in wisconsin, lost one in nevada. i can go on and on and on. the fact that they are filing the lawsuits is meant to create a structure for him to have an excuse for why he loses. it does not mean the courts are not protecting voters and democrats and progressive organizations out there fighting every day to make sure it is true. >> we know it will not be resolved on election night, almost certainly. it will take several days to get the results in. i wonder if you have suggestions about how to navigate the post-election day period. honestly for people in the

media and for people out there in the world. citizens out there in the world as they sort of try to straddle this period of uncertainty. >> so, i say two things, first of all, make sure everyone votes and don't let the cynics convince it does not matter. the cynics want you to believe chaos, and trump wants you to believe your vote does not matter. number two, in the post election period understand it is normal for it to take a few days for the ballots to be counted. part of that is just the normal way we count ballots local and county levels, takes a few days also the fact that republicans around the country in their legislative power prevented the faster counting of ballots because they want there to be a period of uncertainty. the last thing that i offer to the general public and frankly to the media that is listening, donald trump lies about almost everything, no reason to believe he is going to stop

lying about the outcome of the election. treat what comes out of his mouth to be untrue. and surrogates at the nonsense you hear them spew other day on other things the difference here is he is doing it to undermined confidence in free and fair elections and people should not give him the microphone. are you worried about the days after the election or a reason to look at the calendar all of the way up to january 20th? >> reporter: my job is to worry about everything. i worry about everything now and election day and after election day all of the way to the end. i think for voters their job is to make sure they vote. their job is to make sure they don't get persuaded and that they don't buy into the republican big lie. i think if everyone votes we will make sure there is an

orderly process, i will not say there will not be bumps in the process. he filed 60 lawsuits last time. the end of the day they lost those lawsuits and the vote was certified on january 6th. so, we will worry about the process. >> mark elias will be up worrying, we just got to vote. you heard it from the man here first. mark, thank you for joining us tonight, that is our show. before we go i will note there is a new episode of pod save america. up now. i co-host today with dan phiffer. we talked about it and wondered if barack obama's kids were embarrassed by barack obama rapping eminem. if there are any two kids in the world not embarrassed by their dad. not