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good morning, 11:00 a.m. eastern, 8:00 a.m. pacific, i'm jose diaz-balart. we are just 12 days away from election day. as of this morning, more than 28 million people have already cast their ballots. a new "wall street journal" poll shows just how tight this race is. trump pulling ahead of the vice president by just two points, well within the margin of error. a slight bump for trump since august. both campaigns are sprinting across key battleground states today to make their closing
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arguments to voters. trump will stump in arizona and nevada for the first time. former president obama will join vice president harris for a rally tonight in georgia as she sharpens her attacks on her opponent. here's how she responded to "the new york times" report that trump's longest-serving chief of staff four-star marine general john kelly warned trump would rule like a dictator in another term. >> i think one has to think about why would someone who served with him, who is not political, a four-star marine general, why is he telling the american people now? and frankly, i think of it as -- he's just putting out a 911 call to the american people. >> let me ask you tonight. do you think donald trump is a fascist? >> yes, i do. yes, i do. >> joining us now, from georgia, nbc news white house correspondent aaron gilchrist and nbc news correspondent garrett haake is in arizona for
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us. the vice president making news there with her new attacks against trump, and we just got some huge news about who will be with her this weekend. >> reporter: yeah, jose, huge news indeed. several of my colleagues, kelly o'donnell, yamiche alcindor, have confirmed that vice president harris will be joined by beyonce. this is something many people had been hoping would happen in terms of beyonce appearing with the vice president, perhaps endorsing the vice president -- obviously endorsing the vice president given that she will appear with her now. we knew that there was an indirect endorsement by beyonce in that she allowed the vice president to use her song, "freedom," almost from the beginning of this campaign effort by the vice president, and now, at this point, we've learned that beyonce will not only appear with her but a source also says that beyonce will perform in that appearance tomorrow in texas. this is all a part of what the campaign said is going to be a series of concerts designed to get out the vote in these last
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days before the election. there were several other big names that had already been announced. all those people now effectively getting in formation behind beyonce because she will be the name that resonates with so many people around the world. she is an artist and a businesswoman who has a following that cuts across age and gender and race. this beehive, as they're called, is going to be a formidable force, and so to have beyonce step out in front now, do something she doesn't often do, and that is step out and make a statement, politically, with this sort of appearance, is something that could have major impact in these last days of the election. of course, we noted that vice president harris will be here in georgia tonight with former president obama, also with bruce springsteen and several other celebrities as well. the goal is to harness the enthusiasm that the campaign believes it's been able to build and not only get people to support vice president harris, but to actually go out and vote in these days where early voting is already happening in so many places, and of course, on election day on november 5th, jose. >> and garrett, meanwhile,
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you're in tempe, arizona, where trump is campaigning today. what's his message? >> reporter: well, jose, i expect we're going to hear a healthy dose of immigration from donald trump here in arizona. it's his favorite issue. he repeatedly says he thinks it's the most important issue. polls show it tends to be the second most important issue among most voters, but trump is absolutely convinced it's going to be the key element of his closing message. we've heard a healthy dose on that issue over the last couple of days. listen to this. trump's plan starts with sealing the order. >> it's going to be the first order, it's going to be done in the first hour of the first day. >> reporter: the former president says he would resume construction of the border wall and reinstate policies like "remain in mexico" which forces asylum seekers to remain in mexico while awaiting court dates, trump often deploying dark language when promising a mass deportation program to remove millions of undocumented
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immigrants already in the country. >> we will not be conquered. we will reclaim our sovereignty. >> reporter: and jose, i'm going to look into my trump crystal ball and predict that you will also hear him reference this beyonce appearance. trump likes to use the celebrities who appear with kamala harris and other democrats against them, arguing that they need the additional help to fill arenas and to try to gin up enthusiasm, where he believes he can do that all himself. if he says it, you heard it here first. if he didn't, i apologize, and let me just say, i don't want aaron's formation easter egg to go totally unappreciated in this segment. that's good stuff. >> thank you very much. so, aaron, we're also learning more about the harris campaign's closing message. she's going to deliver it at the ellipse? >> reporter: you're right, jose, and garrett, thank you for noticing that. i put a lot of effort into that.
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the vice president is expected to give this closing argument speech, essentially, on the national mall on tuesday, right on the ellipse. this is the space sort of between the washington monument and the white house, right in front of the white house. it's also the space where former president trump gave that speech on january 6th, the one in which he called for people to go to the capitol to -- on the day that the election results were being certified back in -- for 2020 back in 2021. the vice president, we're told by senior campaign official, will, in that speech, try to show a contrast between her and former president trump. she'll try to sort of speak about the worst day that the campaign argues and former president trump's presidency, january 6th, and the vision that the vice president has for an administration that is led by her, and so we will, of course, be watching closely to see how that speech plays out, the degree to which she elevates this message of optimism and also takes time to talk about
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former president trump and what she has described as the danger he presents were he to win another election, jose. >> and garrett, meanwhile, the former president has been focusing on part of his message to get his supporters to vote early, which is a contrast from what he did in 2020. >> reporter: yeah, jose, and it's been really interesting, and it appears at least so far effective. it took a little while for donald trump himself to come around on this, even though the rest of the republican party was urging him to embrace things like mail-in ballots and early voting. he's been talking about it more and more on the campaign trail, and we've seen it both anecdotally in places like arizona, where we met a lot of trump voters lined up to vote early in scottsdale, and in north carolina where i was earlier this week where republicans are seeing their best share of the early vote that they've ever seen in early voting there. so, whether this is the kind of thing where they're essentially robbing peter to pay paul and taking away election day votes with early votes, or whether we're seeing real new enthusiasm
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for the republican ticket, very much remains to be seen, but there is absolute quantitative movement towards voting early from republicans, something that, again, the broader party has wanted to see for a while, and donald trump is really only just starting to embrace himself. >> aaron gilchrist and garrett haake, musical pop knowledge wells, both. thank you for being with us. with us now is susan rice, former ambassador to the united nations and former director of president biden's domestic policy council. she is now a surrogate for the harris/walz campaign. it's great seeing you. i thank you for your time. i know the vice president is going to be delivering her closing argument speech tuesday at the ellipse. we were just talking about that now. in washington, it's the same spot where trump gave his speech on january 6th before the capitol riot. what's the symbolism of that location and of the speech there? >> well, good to be with you, jose, thanks for having me. i think the speech next tuesday
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on the ellipse is a critical opportunity for the vice president to deliver a closing argument that contrasts her vision for where she wants to take the country, which is a forward-looking, affirmative and optimistic vision that united states the country that is full of concrete programs and policies that would benefit the american people and help them ensure that costs come down and that their freedoms are respected and protected. in contrast to donald trump, who used that same location four years ago to launch the greatest assault on our democracy since the civil war. and you know, donald trump has been very clear in the closing days of his campaign that his presidency will be about revenge and retribution and going after what he frighteningly calls the enemy within, using the united states military against his political opponents or any
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american who might disagree with his approach to governing. so, this opportunity for the vice president to reiterate what she will bring as a responsible rule of law-respecting commander in chief in contrast to donald trump, who launched a insurrection on the capitol from that very spot and is promising to do worse in his second term were he to get one, is a very important opportunity for her to say her final piece to the american people. >> yeah, you know, how important is it in the just very few days that remain as, you know, many people, millions have already started to vote? how important is it for the vice president to give her very clear vision of the future and then balance the look back at the past? >> well, she's been very careful and very thorough in the two,
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three months now that she's been at the top of the ticket to lay out her, vice president harris's, vision for how she will govern as president of the united states and to make clear that she represents a new generation of leadership. she's got, you know, very concrete and useful ideas for how to help americans not just struggle to get by but to really get ahead in a meaningful way. her policies on making housing more affordable, bringing down the cost of groceries by a federal ban on price gouging, her commitment to strengthen and expand social security and medicare, and ensure that the affordable care act remains in place and that prices for health care can come down for average americans. her plans and policies are very concrete and specific, and they are about the future and about the american people as opposed to donald trump, who remains
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only about himself and has the worst kind of vague policies, such as across the board tariffs on 20% of all goods coming into the united states, which would cost the average american family an additional $4,000 a year. so, the contrast in policy couldn't be greater, but then there's also, jose, the contrast in temperament, and the purpose of governing, we heard general john kelly, trump's chief of staff, four-star general, say very clearly that he saw, in many respects, a fascist in donald trump, and that's what jim mattis has said, general mattis. that's what general mark milley said. and we've heard trump's own words, that he wants hitler's generals, and he wants to govern like a dictator and terminate the constitution and turn the u.s. military on his opponents.
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so, the choice couldn't be more stark. it's about a forward-looking, inclusive, affirmative vision of what kind of country we can be when we turn the page on donald trump versus a dark past that donald trump wants to replicate and intensify going forward. >> ambassador, i want to turn to foreign affairs, if i could. i know you were national security advisor when, among other things, the united states dealt with iran for that nuclear deal in 2015. here's what former president trump said about iran in an interview with hugh hewitt this morning. >> if necessary, will you use force to stop them from getting the nuclear weapon online, mr. president? >> yes, i would. >> so, there's a very clear statement by the former president about the iranian regime and nuclear weapons. what do you make of that? >> well, in some ways, i make
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very little of it. it has long been the policy of the united states, from president obama, who i served, to president biden and going forward that the united states will preserve all options and keep all options on the table to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. we had accomplished that, substantially, through a nuclear deal, negotiated that set iran's nuclear program back by considerable margin and ensured that there were inspectors and cameras and all of the like to see what iran was doing. donald trump recklessly pulled out of that deal, had nothing to replace it, and now iran is closer to having a nuclear weapon than it ever has been before. so, keeping all the options on the table is sound policy. what is not sound policy is donald trump cheerleading, you know, an israeli preemptive
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attack on iranian nuclear facilities, which he did, you know, a week or two ago. that would result in untold destruction and a wider regional conflagration in war that's likely to draw in american personnel and forces since we are based all over the region. that's reckless and dangerous, and classic donald trump. but to affirm that the united states policy is to leave all options on the table to prevent iran from having a nuclear weapon, that's not innovative. >> and ambassador, finally, just interesting, your description of what donald trump, his policy is vis-a-vis israel and israel's response to having been subjected to hundreds of missiles and drones and all kinds of different devices by iran directly and then through its proxies, hezbollah, also.
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what do you think the policy towards israel should be by the vice president? and do you think it would be any different from the policy that president biden has been carrying out since the october 7th massacre in israel? >> well, jose, first of all, let's be clear. the united states, under president biden and vice president harris, has not only stood by israel in its efforts to defend itself from two direct attacks from iran, but we participated in repelling those attacks and ensuring that the consequences were de minimus, and the vice president and president biden have been very clear that we will do what is necessary to help israel defend itself against iranian attacks, iranian threats, and iranian proxies. that's a different question, though, in the moment, from what to do about the war in gaza now
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that sinwar has been eliminated, that gaza -- that the hamas has been vastly degraded in the wake of its horrific attack on israel last year on october 7th, the vice president has been very clear that it is past time for a ceasefire that enables the hostages to return home. they've been in captivity, suffering in horrific circumstances, for over a year. it is well past time that they come home, that the gazan people have the opportunity for the humanitarian assistance that they so desperately need and deserve, and that they can begin the process, with external help, of reconstructing gaza under leadership that does not involve hamas, and that the palestinian people can truly credibly have the prospect of their own state,
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living side-by-side in peace and security with jewish democratic israel. that's the objective, and that's the policy that the vice president has clearly outlined, but it is time for the war in gaza to end, and for the suffering to end and for the hostages to come home. >> that statement, i think, everybody can agree with. it's time for it to end. how it ends is a far different conversation. ambassador, i can't think you enough for being with us. let's continue our conversation going forward. i really appreciate your time. >> thank you, jose. good to be with you. >> thanks. up next, nbc news cameras capture some of the desperation that is going on in gaza where a crush of starving people are forced to fight for bread. we're live with new details on the effort to come to a ceasefire. plus, we'll play for you what vice president harris said in her town hall when pressed on immigration. and nbc news obtains the 911
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blinken said israel has now achieved its goal of making sure another october 7th does not happen. >> this is a moment to work, to end this war, to bring -- make sure all the hostages are home and to build a better future for people in gaza. >> meanwhile, the scenes in southern gaza growing more dire by the minute. this is khan younis where people are desperate for basic supplies like bread. joining us from tel aviv is nbc's raf sanchez. where do things stand today? such a difficult scene to witness, and yet to realize this has been going on day after day after day. >> reporter: day after day after day, jose, families just trying to find safety, just trying to find a way to feed their children. a little earlier today, the israeli military carried out an air strike on a school in
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central gaza. it's one of these schools where hundreds of displaced civilians had been sheltering, hoping that being on school grounds might offer them some sliver of protection. they were wrong. israel says it was targeting hamas militants who were operating out of that school, but you can see rescuers carrying bodies in carpets past what were once classrooms, once places where children were learning. local authorities are saying at least 18 people were killed in that israeli strike, the majority of them children, and jose, this is not the first time. this is not the second time that the israeli military has carried out a strike on a school. we went back and counted. there have been at least a dozen strikes on schools in the last month alone, and every time, israel has said it was striking hamas militants who were operating out of those shelters. now, you mentioned that just incredibly hard-to-watch footage
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from khan younis. that was footage from our unbelievably courageous colleagues who are on the ground inside the strip, and you can see the desperation on an absolutely massive scale. crowd of hundreds, potentially thousands of people lining up. you're seeing there a little boy trying to get his younger brother to eat just a little bit of that food that they were able to get. there was a little girl there who told our crew that they're actually baking bread with flour that they know has worms in it but that they have no choice. it's literally the only food available to them. a u.n.-backed monitoring group, jose, has said, at this point, everyone in gaza, northern gaza, central gaza, southern gaza, is at risk of famine. >> raf sanchez, thank you very much. up next, as donald trump and vice president harris race to the finish line in battleground states, why one of our next guests says the race is hers to lose. plus, how podcasts are changing the face of this presidential election.
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come on. they didn't. >> but you're agreeing to a bill that would earmark $650 million to continue building that wall. >> we -- i -- i pledge that i am going to bring forward that bipartisan bill to further strengthen and secure our border. yes, i am. >> meanwhile, donald trump continues his attacks against migrants that enter the united states. >> we have an open border where anybody can come in, just walk across. historically, when you have swastikas on your forehead and swastikas all over your cheek, and lots of other symbols all over your face, historically, that person isn't going to be a tremendous help to our economy. and yet, they walk -- they walk through that open border. >> joining us now, peter baker, chief white house correspondent at "the new york times," mark
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mckinnon, former advisor to george w. bush and john mccain. he's also the creator of "the circus" on showtime and julian castro. trump has been so consistent on what he thinks of migrants and what he wants to do about the migrants that are coming into our country. i mean, from 2015 when he came down that escalator to last night it's been pretty consistent. has the vice president been clear enough on how diametrically different she is from donald trump on this issue? >> yeah, i mean, you're right, jose. remember when he came down that escalator and he talked about mexicans being rapists and people coming across the border and about their bad character, and he has been consistent. he's been extreme. he's also told lies. you heard more of them right there in that clip. and we all remember, of course, his lies about springfield. at the same time, i think, unfortunately, what's happened in our country is so much of
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that has gotten normalized, and over the years, the debate on immigration has moved to the right, and so there's, of course, a huge difference between kamala harris and donald trump. he has a dark heart toward migrants, particularly -- he's extreme, cruel, but i think she needs to both make that contrast, which i think she tried to do last night, and also help ensure that -- or reassure voters that she's going to address the issue at the border but also provide a pathway to citizenship. she needs to do both of those things, and i feel like she's trying to walk that tight rope each time that you hear her talk about immigration these days. but there's plenty to remind voters about how extreme and cruel donald trump is. >> and peter, i mean, this comes as -- just thinking about julian talking about the normalization and how things have changed even in the semantics but also in the proposals since even 2020.
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but a new poll finds that 62% of voters say they are more likely to vote for a candidate who supports deploying the military to the border to stop illegal drugs and human trafficking. what does this say? >> well, i think senator castro is right. the national mood has moved to the right. it used to be the democrats would push specifically for that pathway to citizenship, as he talked about, in exchange for, you know, republican demands about border security. now, of course, you're hearing democrats talk about border security almost as much as republicans. they're saying they're going to do it in a smarter, less cruel way. the bill that vice president harris is talking about supporting, the bipartisan bill negotiated by senator langford, the republican from oklahoma, is not any democrat's view of the ideal immigration policy, but it has been embraced by the harris team and by, of course, president biden as the best compromise that they could get.
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and of course, rejected by former president trump, specifically, explicitly, he said, when he tried to pressure republicans in the senate to reject it, because it would give the democrats a win. the president has put in policies in the last few months, tightening asylum rules, and apparently in reaction to that, the number of border crossings has fallen quite dramatically. they're lower today than they were four years ago. the issue is not nearly as acute as it had been because of where things are right now and it's not an open border as former president trump is talking about. that doesn't mean there's not a serious issue to be addressed, and the vice president is talking about trying to address it in a bipartisan way, making compromises on things she might not want to necessarily do in order to get a solution. >> yeah, i think anderson cooper yesterday was quite pointed in the fact that, yes, right now, the border is seeing some of the lowest numbers crossing, but what happened in 2023, and what happened in 2022? and why weren't the statements and the actions put into place
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those years when there was a record number of people crossing that border? but mark, you write this is a race that the vice president has to lose, why? >> yeah, jose, listen, i think all the data shows it's going to be a very close race, but i think there's some clear advantages for vice president harris, and those advantages are what i call the gaps. there's a big gap in enthusiasm, about ten points, and i don't think there's very many undecided voters out there. if you're decided, you're probably not voting. this is about motivating your support to get out there and vote and new voters, and i think she has an advantage with both. there's a gender gap, also of about ten points, of women who are supporting harris as opposed to men who are supporting trump. there's also a favorability gap of about ten points where harris has a ten-point advantage in favorability. trump is ten points under water. more people see him unfavorably. more people see harris with a favorable opinion, which is remarkable in this election.
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and then finally, i think there's a real advantage, and republicans will admit this, too, jose, which is, democrats really have a superior ground game in place, and they're paying their workers instead of using volunteers, which the trump campaign is doing, largely, so i think on those key and fundamental aspects, harris has a big advantage, so my bet is she's going to win, and maybe win comfortably. >> and julian, what is your -- i'm not going to ask you for your bet -- but what is your view on the campaign-wise, the advantages of the vice president's campaign and maybe some of the disadvantages that she could work on these next 12 days? >> yeah. and i think, you know, this news today that she's going to be down there in houston, and beyonce is going to come out and support her, perform at the event, what you see the campaign doing, the harris campaign, is really trying to zero in on her strengths to take on the issue of abortion, to remind,
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especially those suburban voters and suburban philadelphia, suburban milwaukee, madison, these other battleground states, about how terrible donald trump has been on reproductive rights and motivate those voters, and in some cases, you know, make that final convincing push, and then also, this argument about trump being a threat to democracy, this audio from john kelly reminding voters about that. so, they're closing with two strong arguments on the issues and also on the danger that he presents and hoping, i think, especially with suburban voters, that that's going to move them toward harris or at least ensure that more people get out for kamala harris. >> peter, you, meanwhile, write that trump's lifetime of scandals heads towards a moment of judgment. what do you mean by that? >> well, you know, i think we have -- we talk about normalization. i think we have forgotten a lot of the things that make up donald trump's record over a
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lifetime. not just in politics but in business and in entertainment and so forth, and we try to do this piece, just kind of go through that record. we've never seen a major party candidate for president, much less a president himself, who has been accused of more wrongdoing, who has, you know, had more scandals in the personal, business, political and otherwise going back to his youth when he was, you know, he avoided the draft. he's avoided paying taxes. he went bankrupt -- his businesses did -- six times. he's been accused of sexual misconduct. he's been found liable for sexually abusing e. jean carroll, found liable for widespread business fraud. his business was convicted of tax crimes. his foundation was closed down because it was seen as a font of illegality, and so on and so forth, and i think because he's been on the stage for so long, and there are so many scandals and many many things come up and we have so many things to talk about when it comes to donald trump, we lose sight of the fact that we are on the verge of possibly electing the first
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convicted criminal to the oval office. >> peter baker, mark mckinnon and julian castro, thank you so much. up next, chilling 911 calls just released from the first attempt on donald trump's life. we'll ask former homeland security secretary janet napolitano what she thinks needs to change. you're watching jose diaz-balart reports on msnbc. change. you're watching jose diaz-balart reports on msnbc and to fight heartburn, why take 10 antacids throughout the day when you can take 1 prilosec. for easier heartburn relief, one beats ten. prilosec otc. one pill. 24 hours. zero heartburn. humana medicare advantage plans. carry this card and you could have the power to unlock benefits beyond original medicare. these are convenient plans that offer all of the benefits of original medicare, plus extra coverage and benefits. with a humana medicare advantage plan, you could get doctor, hospital and prescription drug coverage in one convenient plan. most
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39 past the hour. more than three months after the first assassination attempt on former president donald trump, we are hearing for the first time the 911 calls from that july 13th rally in butler, pennsylvania. >> gunshots at the trump rally. gunshots. >> yep, the police are on the way there. >> you better get over here quick. >> we're at the trump assembly, and there's a guy shooting. >> okay, ma'am. >> he's been shooting up the place. >> calls were released as part of a settlement between butler
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county and nbc news and two other media organizations who sued the county after it denied their initial public records requests for the calls. they came out nearly a week after a four-person independent panel investigating the secret service's failures that day issued its report, calling for new leadership at the secret service and refocusing the secret service on its core protective mission. with us now is one of the people on that panel. former homeland security secretary janet napolitano, now a professor of public policy at the university of california berkeley. thank you so much, secretary, for being with us. i really appreciate your time. i want to start with that 911 call, the series of calls. what, if anything, do they tell us about what unfolded that day? >> well, they're not surprising calls in a way. the event was to the participants surprising, but i think the more important thing, in a way, is what led to that
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shooting, what mistakes were made, what things need to be corrected, what reforms need to be accomplished within the service. >> what was the most surprising thing you learned during your investigation? >> well, we, you know, i think the panel came together, and we had no preconceptions. i think we all understood that something had gone grievously wrong on july 13th. what exactly went wrong, we didn't -- you know, we didn't know at that time, but as we undertook our investigation, which was very thorough, we found a number of operational mistakes that were made, and then we asked the deeper question, what led to those mistakes? and that's what led to some of the more systemic reforms that the panel recommends. >> yeah, and i mean, i'm curious as to those systemic reforms that the panel recommends. your panel called on the secret service to kind of replace its leadership with people from the public -- i should say from the
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private sector. why? and what should accountability look like, not just for the leadership but for the entire agency? >> well, it was the understanding and the recommendation of the panel that the secret service has become somewhat insular. it keeps promoting from within, up to and including to the director level. but there are others outside the service who also have experience in the protection world, who also have experience in managing large complex law enforcement organizations, and that it would benefit the service to bring in some of those fresh viewpoints and some of those new kinds of experiences as well. it needs a refresh, in a way, and it needs a reform in that way, because otherwise, it's just -- it just keeps doing the same old thing, the same old thing, the same old thing. it's been doing the same old
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thing for decades, even while risks have multiplied and technology has changed. >> yeah, i mean, one of the things that your report also says is that the secret service should stop being the group investigating financial crimes, which it was originally set up to do. >> yeah. it was the firm belief of the panel that the number one role of the secret service is the protective mission for our government leaders, and that they are unique in the federal family to perform that role. and they need to get that role right. they need to be an elite protective force, and currently, unfortunately, i have to say, they are not. >> secretary janet napolitano, it is always great speaking with you. i thank you very much for your time. >> thank you. up next, the presidential candidates turn to major podcasts to reach new audiences this election cycle. how podcasts offer much more to
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feeling great, and i'm feeling nervous. there's this old adage, there are only two ways to run, without an opponent or scared. >> for president, i can tell you it takes guts to run. it's also a very dangerous profession, if you want to know the truth. >> 49 past the hour. that was vice president harris and former president trump during some of the just many podcasts they have joined recently. podcasts are really transforming the race in so many ways. as "the new york times" put it, presidential candidates used to visit 99 counties. now they go on 99 podcasts. tomorrow, both are heading to texas where they will take part in podcast interviews. former president trump will be on with joe rogan. vice president harris will
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record with rene brown. joining us now, matt steed, staff writer and matt mckennon. are podcasts the new town halls? >> yeah. i think when donald trump goes on rogan tomorrow, it's going to be a victory lap to reach young male voters. generally, non-political shows. jake paul, is an influencer and is a wwe wrestler. it's the biggest show there is. there's times larger than the next largest audience. the question to me is whether
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this is going to work or not. he is trying to reach a young male audience, which is a hard demographic to get to vote. i think of one in three voters under 30 voted. men is less than that. they might see donald trump listening to a former reality tv guy talking to him about crazy stuff in his life. are they going to get to vote in november? it's hard to tell. >> how do you think -- you have been involved in so many campaigns. how does a campaign decide which podcast to put their candidate on? >> well, we used to campaign in an environment where there were three television stations that covered everybody. now people listen to 100 different outlets. media is aggregated. fish where the fish are. find voters where they are watching or listening. increasingly, people are not
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watching broadcast news. they are listening to podcasts. some of the podcast numbers, like joe rogan, are off the charts. it's a lot of people. it's a very efficient way. you can go to 99 counties and most have 500 people. go on rogan's podcast and reach millions. it's a smart strategy of recognizing where voters live and breathe and get their entertainment and going to where they are and appealing to where their entertainment is. >> it's interesting, because there are so many different aspects or even lines of questioning that podcasters have the freedom to do versus others. i want to play for you some of the questions that both the vice president and trump have been asked recently. >> i notice at the events you don't drink. you don't drink or smoke? >> i don't drink or smoke.
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>> you never have? >> never have. my brother said, don't drink or smoke. >> on 2013, a blind date with your now husband daughter, think back and now we are here, did you imagine this was the journey? >> no. i just have a bossy best friend. >> wondering, what kind of impact do these moments carry? >> right. with trump, it's hard to tell how much of trump's message is getting across. the parts you see clipped out are ones like that where they are talking about something silly, a way trump is humanized or looks funny. these voters might not be learning anything about trump's economic message. that being said, maybe they don't care. maybe a voter who is 21 and listening doesn't need to hear trump talk about the economy as
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much as think he is reaching out to him. it's a think strategy. if it's successful, if you see young voters, young male voters in trump's electoral results, if you were -- we will see more of this. j.d. vance will be on the podcasts. maybe voters will tire of them there. it's new and it feels like it's not going away. >> there's that issue of, this is a candidate i'd like to have a beer with kind of thing. how to humanize candidates that are involved in such a different environment, right? having to run for president of the united states. i'm thinking, are these podcasts really effective at humanizing these candidates? >> 100% they are. they are informal, more relaxed.
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most of the people listening to podcasts and people voting, they are voting on what kind of human being is this, do they have a sense of humor, are they authentic? do your point about the beer test, in 2000 -- we used to do focus groups. gore would beat the hell out of us. we would say, who do you want a beer with? with george w. bush. we overcomplicate the things. people want to vote for people who are like them, who share their interests and somebody think want to watch on tv or listen to on a podcast for four years. >> thank you both so very much. appreciate it. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. thank you for the privilege of your time. time.
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