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andrea mitchell is on assignment. presidential candidates are racing to the finish line. donald trump is a danger to america she says, becoming more unhinged and unstable. agreeing with former trump chief of staff, four star general john kelly, that trump is a fascist. >> why is he telling the american people now? frankly, i think of it -- he is putting out a 911 call to the american people. understand what could happen if donald trump were back in the white house. >> do you think donald trump is a fascist? >> yes, i do. yes, i do. and i also believe that the people who know him best on this subject should be trusted. >> harris has a closing speech planned for tuesday, next tuesday, outside of the white house on the ellipse. the same spot trump spoke to

january 6 rioters before they raided the capitol. trump will make his final case to voters starting sunday with a rally at madison square garden here in new york, of all places. the campaign wants to focus on how he would treat inflation and immigration. there is the question of how trump will treat himself if he gets to the white house. >> first, to today. trump will be in arizona and las vegas, nevada. harris is heading back to atlanta, this time with former president obama and bruce springsteen for a get out of vote rally. the big news today, after weeks of speculation, is about

beyonce. nbc news confirming the superstar will join harris in her hometown tomorrow night. we begin in atlanta with correspondent aaron gilcrist. with me is vaughn hillyar -- i'm getting lost, co-host of msnbc's "the weekend" simone sanders. and former rnc communications director, republican strategist, doug heye. now that i tripped all over myself and got everyone introduced, thank you for being here. aaron, talk to me about atlanta. the harris campaign wants a number of paths to 270. they want backup states in case the blue wall does not hold. what are they doing in atlanta to get that state -- to keep that state blue? >> reporter: i think part of the

plan for atlanta today really is to drive up the numbers in terms of people getting out to vote. the harris campaign believes it has been able to build massive enthusiasm and support all over the country, in particular in the battleground states. now we are at the point where it's about getting people to actually go and vote, whether they are doing that early in person or early by mail or plan do it on november 5th, the compare is now using these last 12 days of the cycle to push people to actually take that enthusiasm that they have and move it to the polls. to that end, we are seeing the vice president here tonight with former president obama. there will be others on stage here as well. bruce springsteen will do a concert, as well as tyler perry, samuel l. jackson, spike lee, supporters of harris who will speak about her and encourage people to get out to vote. you noted beyonce is the big

name we are learning about today. she has decided to take it to the floor now and make her presence felt on stage with vice president harris tomorrow night in houston, texas. we learned that from several sources who say that beyonce will perform in that appearance with vice president harris. she, of course, is someone who doesn't step out into the political spotlight very often, recognizing the influence she has with a following that is diverse in age, in race, in gender. for beyonce to speak i think it's going to be impactful, certainly, with the people who support her. >> in houston, no less. there's not a lot of expectation that kamala harris could win texas. but there's an important senate race out there, allred trying to unseat cruz. vaughn, let's talk about donald trump. let's talk about his closing message. why is he doing it in new york

city, madison square garden? >> this is where the spotlight is going to be. he can pack the place. it's madison square garden, for him it's like going to coachella. it's year nine of him doing these events. what better place than literally about 15 blocks from where we are at 30 rock. >> what better place to go? why not a battleground state? >> donald trump has been to wisconsin and michigan and arizona quite a few times. i think for him, he feels like having a viral showing that he is able to garner people in the blue city of manhattan, it's a verbal that appeals to not only him but he also believes his supporters. donald trump is even drawing crowds in new york, what? maybe this movement has a chance to get the white house. >> what about the final message for him, the content of it? what's he doing? >> donald trump's message here in these closing days is not like 2016 or 2020. the campaign isn't even trying to present it as a focus on

bread and butter issues or a more disciplined focused message. donald trump is attacking anybody that has crossed him, whether it be the press, whether it be his former military generals, whether it be his former political enemies, liz cheney, barack obama. he is coming for everybody. part of this is the exact opposite closing message for kamala harris, who is trying to unite people. come, it's okay to vote for a democrat. that's not what donald trump is doing. donald trump is trying to galvanize -- just like he did an hour outside of atlanta yesterday. trying to go and get folks who didn't vote to come out. that includes the gen z type who couldn't vote four years ago. he is trying to make it cool and attract new followers into the ballot box. i want to let you listen to a bite of his last night, because for donald trump, there's so often exaggeration and an

emphasis on things that are not true. listen to one example. >> you are witnessing the economic oppression of americans to reward and enrich illegal aliens. historically, when you have swastikas on your forehead and on your cheek and lots of other symbols all over your face, historically, that person isn't going to be a tremendous help to our economy. yet, they walk through that open border and probably say, man, are these people stupid. then they start to kill. they kill. >> part of that galvanizing effort is making things up like that. i'm not sure what he is referencing. it's to send a message to voters like those in georgia that people are taking your jobs, your livelihood, making your rent go up. that's why you should vote for him. >> interesting he is bringing up

swastikas. the reporting out about donald trump saying he wants hitler's generals or generals like hitler. simone, let's talk about harris for another beat. she's appearing alongside big names. i was talking to someone today who said they were worried about this. it felt like 2016 with all the big names coming out for hillary clinton. do you see this as -- i don't know. do you see this as a positive, as -- how do you see the final stretch of this campaign? how do you feel? >> if it was just the big names and big rallies, i would be concerned. it's not. the town hall yesterday the vice president participated in with cnn, i thought was very important for her to do. frankly, i think she should do another. the town halls she did earlier in the week with former congresswoman liz cheney, where they were in key battleground states, michigan and wisconsin, having a conversation, taking

questions from real voters, real people, that's retail politics. retail politics is what wins elections. the rallies and names, they are important. you need to whip up enthusiasm and you have to give people some shot and jolt of energy to go out and vote. you have to do both. i think that for a couple weeks ago, there was not as much retail politicking going on, frankly, as the big rallies. the campaign and i think the vice president, they have calibrated that. this final stretch, from my perspective, it looks as though the vice president is going all out. she doesn't want to give anyone any room to say, if she's not successful, it's not because she didn't campaign hard enough, she didn't go to all the states, she didn't take the time and talk to the people. she's doing those things and working to earn people's vote. lastly, i'm a fellow at

georgetown this semester. one of my students, she and her mother knocked doors in rural pennsylvania. my class is on monday. they talked about how there were undecided voters. they met them in rural pennsylvania when they were knocking doors. now, he is talking a lot about himself, not as much about that, we don't know. well, did they say they were voting for kamala harris? they said, no, not necessarily. some people walked away more enthusiastic and saying, i will give vice president harris a look. some were unsure. what the vice president is doing in the last days, although people are voting right now, there are folks that aren't going to make a decision until november 5th. >> i wonder why you think the polls are so close. donald trump is a known quantity. even if he is not a remembered quantity, there's been news coverage out about him, about what he said about hitler in the oval office to his generals,

john kelly coming out and putting that on the record. there's the rallies and him talking about the genitalia of arnold palmer. he has been going to mcdonald's and refusing to answer a question on the minimum wage. i could go on and on. why do you think it's neck and neck between him and kamala harris? >> i will say quickly, i'm sure doug has thoughts. i think there are people out there that despite all of that, they say, i like what donald trump is offering in terms of policy. then i also think that there's the real possibility that many of those things have not broken through in the way that we think that they have. it has been covered on television. in a fractured media environment, it's very, very important that campaigns, particularly democratic campaigns, do not rely that just it's covered on msnbc and makes "nightly news," that it broke through. i'm looking at what makes it to the non-political group chats.

i don't know if the hitler's generals comments did. which is why kamala harris giving her -- making remarks and doing the town hall ensuring she opens with john kelly's comments is important. hopefully one of the clips from the campaign perspective breaks through. >> that's why social media has been so important. that's the place where it can take off and be fed to people who aren't maybe following politics as closely. doug, i know you have thoughts. the same to you. why is it so close? >> i think it starts with the fact that america's divided. if we look at the down-ballot races, especially senate, they are close. they are close because if you go to wisconsin or if you go to pennsylvania, voters are divided. they are divided on house races, mayor races, presidential. i think that voter that simone was talking about in suburban philadelphia or suburban raleigh or a lot of communities like outside of atlanta, those voters who haven't made up their mind

yet, they still want to hear more from kamala harris. i would agree that kamala harris should do more town halls. she also has to be more specific and say more in those. i can't tell you what the first 100 days of kamala harris' administration would look like because i haven't heard from kamala harris what they would look like. it's an overused phrase. she has to put meat on the bone. the kitchen timer is ticking faster than a few weeks ago. >> does he have a point with that? has she been clear enough about who she is, what she wants to do? i realize the unequal question there is here. i get it. donald trump tried to overturn an election. donald trump is not the same person as kamala harris. he is not a regular candidate. she's being treated as a regular candidate. that being said, you gotta meet voters where they are. is she giving them enough? >> when voters say they do not know the vice president, i would

think they're talking about a 20-point page policy reference. i think what they are saying is, we don't know what she believes, who she is, does she pray? i think one of the most powerful moments from last night's town hall was when she talked about her mother and dealing with grief and having cared for her when she was going through who cancer diagnosis. she talked about calling her pastor and praying with her pastor and telling anderson -- she's like, i pray. yes, sometimes twice a day. these are things -- remember, three months ago, kamala harris was not the top of the ticket. i think that that factors into a number of things that the voters, especially undecided people are saying. she has to stay out there, because there are people that for all of these reasons we can get into after the election, were not paying attention to her while she was the vice president. now she's at the top and it has been 30 years since a sitting

vice president has run for president. there wasn't -- she didn't go through a primary process where she was at the top of the ticket. she was number two. that makes a difference. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. an arizona man is facing at least three felony terrorism charges, accused of shooting at a dnc campaign office in tempe, arizona. that's also used as a local harris headquarters. prosecutors say the 60-year-old man was planning a mass casualty event. after the fbi seized an arsenal of weapons from his home, including 120 rounds, a machine gun and a grenade launcher. lawyers insist he is just a sportsman and the guns are all legal. 120 machine guns, excuse me. as americans head to the polls, there are new warnings about russia and china working

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you are monitoring the polls and the policies of each of the candidates, you now have to monitor the way you are getting that information. disinformation and lies flood social media. look at these headlines.

"the washington post," american creating deeptakes targeting harris works with china. "the new york times," georgia's secretary of state fepds off cyberattack targeting absentee ballot website. it's adding up to an intelligence minefield. joining us, senator mark warner. can we talk about "the washington post" reporting that a former deputy palm beach county sheriff went to moscow and is working with russian military intelligence to pump out deepfakes about vice president harris' campaign? is that legal? >> well, if that individual is abroad, we don't have a very good ability to bring him back. we have seen this time and again. russia is clearly interfering on behalf of trump. iran seems to be interfering more against harris.

our adversaries, russia, china, iran, they know it's easy and effective and cheap to do misinformation, disinformation. we saw the fake accusations against governor walz about some kind of assault. it wasn't a real person. the person had been ai manipulated. we have gotten better at pushing back. but the bad guys have gotten better. unfortunately, as we know, americans are a lot more willing to believe crazy conspiracy theories. just because you see it on the internet, doesn't mean it's true. that is hard to get across, particularly when you have got donald trump himself putting out this kind of misinformation. you have social media platforms, x, elon musk putting out disinformation. it's going to get worse in the last 11 days, particularly the

last couple days before the election. then the few days after the election. >> is the goal for russia or china as simple as wanting donald trump to win or for iran, as simple as wanting kamala harris to win? >> i think the goal is, there may be a preferred candidate. particularly for all three nations, it's to undermine americans' faith in our democracy, to try to cause civil unrest and political -- potentially actual violence. think about the notion that if it's on election night late tuesday night or early wednesday morning, something appears across on your social media feed where it looks like an election official, which would be a deepfake, put out by russia, supposedly destroying ballots, that could lead to violence in the streets. what we're trying to do -- i wish both campaigns would say to their supporters, take a deep breath. if you see something about change in voting terms, don't believe it. call your local election officials. i have been pressing the intel

community. they are getting better. when we see this intervention, the attack against governor walz was an example, declassify that information as quickly as possible to show the american people that this is a lie and misinformation. from the intel side and the misinformation side, it's a wild next couple of weeks. >> you talk about waking up on election day and getting this information on a social media feed, congress is concerned about tiktok and the chinese side of it. so concerned that they are forced to divest if they want to continue operating in this country. are you worried? have you seen any indication that tiktok might put something out there that's not true? there might be a coordinated effort behind the scenes around or on election day? >> i think there's a lot of creativity on tiktok. i was one of the leaders that said, at the end of the day, tiktok, ultimately is controlled by the communist party of china.

that's chinese law. we think it should be sold to a company not chinese controlled. while we have not seen a sophisticated effort yet on tiktok, the idea of the ability of the communist party to slightly switch the algorithms, the genius of tiktok is you don't choose what you see. it chooses for you. if you can slightly twist that for propaganda purposes, it's a possibility. frankly, tiktok in terms of trying to work with the government on this misinformation, disinformation, they and x are two of the entities that are least involved in our effort. let me also be clear. every one of the social media companies, facebook, instagram, they cut back on efforts from where we were in 2020, because i'm disappointed in that, but it's not just here in america, it's around the world. >> these countries getting into

our elections and trying to push out lies, want to destabilize, undermine our confidence in democracy with the goal of maybe a global realignment or a lessening of our influence around the world, i wonder what that means for what you are seeing in that light. what that means for what you are seeing in ukraine and russia with north korea now sending russia troops. do you see an attempt at a realignment? >> clearly, china, russia, iran and north korea, whether we call them an alliance or axis, they want to undermine. the intel community revealed about 3,000 north korean troops have moved into russia. they are still in eastern russia at this point. it's pathetic russia has to turn

to north korea for military assistance in terms of troops. it shows the ukrainians, which have been under huge assault, but they have been successful at cutting back on russia's military might. we're going to follow that. all these nations would rather not have an alliance of democracies. not just u.s. and nato but we have got good alliances in india, in south korea, japan, australia. the bad guys would like to see that balance of power change. that's why it's so important at the end of the day, we should argue like mad. we have to say crazy things if we want to. but we should argue about our political choices. we should all be offended when you see foreign spy services try to interfere in our election. i wish there would be greater concern. i wish there would be greater concern from some of the major media outlets like "the

washington post" and fox news who literally are having their sites manipulated by fake russian sites that appear like them, yet the companies themselves say, that's just the way that life is these days. that's an unsettling fact of life. >> it is unsettling. if you have a teenager and you are trying to teach that teenager how to sort fact from fiction, or a parent, you will see how frustrating it can be. mark warner, thank you so much for joining us. it's good to have you. >> thank you. the top generals who surrounded donald trump at the start of his administration now say he is a danger. some calling him a fascist. up next, we will talk to the author of a new article that looks at the former president's troubled history with the u.s. military and his reported praise, according to john kelly, for hitler's generals. you are watching msnbc. customize and save with liberty mutual. customize and sa—

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as an audio interview with again john kelly dropped where he warned americans that trump acted like a fascist, a lengthy and detailed article came out in "the atlantic" reminding readers who senior officials have told reporters donald trump thinks of the american military and how he believes soldiers and generals should treat him. jeffrey goldberg writing, former generals say the military virtue

he appreciated is obedience. he has become more and more interested in the advantages of a dictatorship and the control over the military that he believes it would deliver. reporting that donald trump said in private, quote, i need the kind of generals hitler had. again, coinciding with goldberg's reporting was general kelly confirming to "the new york times" that, yes, in private, donald trump would repeatedly bring up hitler. not as a warning, but as a model. jeffrey goldberg joins me now. i want to start by saying donald trump and his campaign deny all of this. i think the big question here is, why now? why is john kelly coming out now? why did you choose to re-visit this now with just now 12 days until the election?

>> well, i've been reporting on this for eight years. when i get new information, i report it. i can't speak for john kelly. i have to imagine that if he believes that donald trump shows fascist tendencies, it's good to warn voters before an election rather than after. i think there are more people who are anxiety-ridden about a second trump term. i think they are talking more than they have in the past. >> you start off with an anecdote about donald trump in the oval office after he offered to pay for the funeral services for an officer that was murdered at fort hood. he said, $60,000 to bury an

f-ing mexican. the campaign and trump are denying that. her family sent you a statement. what does that tell you? how does it line up with all of the reporting you have done about donald trump and his views on the military? >> that particular anecdote, pretty unfortunate. this was set at a meeting of his national security team several months after that murder. he did offer the family to pay for the funeral. i asked the family if he had ever sent money. they said, no. apparently, he was upset at what he thought of as the high price of the funeral. what it says to me, it's a couple of things. one, there are a couple of triggering points in that for him. we know back to 2015 his initial

campaign opening statement about mexican rapists coming across the border. he doesn't have, let's say, positive views of mexico and mexicans. we know that his discourse on immigration generally has become more extreme in recent months. the second thing is -- this goes to an obsession with money and a fear that he is being ripped off. i think he can be easily triggered when people -- when he believes that people -- this could be as big as nato, obviously. it's the same impulse. someone is trying to take money from me and i don't appreciate it. that's what i got from this anecdote. >> i'm wondering what you describe as the third rail in american politics, which is going after the military, den grading soldiers or veterans. i was at a couple events in 2016

and 2015 that were striking to me. one was after donald trump called john mccain not a war hero. i went to mobile, alabama. he drew a 20,000 person crowd. i remember going up and down the line and asking people what they thought of that. nobody was bothered by it, which i found striking. it said to me something was happening out there in the country surrounding donald trump. the other one was when he was in south carolina, this was ahead of the south carolina primary. he was in charleston talking to a bunch of veterans. he was really going after george w. bush for the invasion of iraq, saying that they lied, there were no weapons of mass destruction and that they did irreparable damage to the country. his words were not quite that. the crowd cheered. the crowd of veterans cheered. it used to be that's the thing you couldn't say out loud even

if you believed it. i wonder if it -- do you believe it's because of his willingness to go after the norms, establishment rules, that give people -- that put more trust in him and give him leeway to say foul things about war heroes, potentially saying foul things about a murdered woman? >> i mean, he obviously is very transgressive as a politician. i've been confused by this since 2015. i've been wondering about this since he attacks john mccain. i assumed that once you attack john mccain for being shot down over vietnam, saying that he wasn't a hero for being shot down, i figured that republican voters, especially but all voters would be like, okay, you can leave now. that's not the appropriate thing to say. but for whatever reason, he gets

away with saying things that other people simply can't. it wouldn't surprise me at all if a democratic politician who said the same thing, not that anyone has, was thrown out of the party and lost all their popularity. i think there's kind of rules that apply to donald trump that don't apply to anyone else. i think his supporters -- i can't explain it. maybe they enjoy the idea that he is saying something so offensive and so un-pc. on the iraq question, it's interesting. that comes and goes. the parties -- all political parties in american history have gone through periods of isolationism and interventionism. trump found a line on iraq and to some degree afghanistan that really showed the party is no longer the party of the bush family or john mccain.

and he ran with it. he has a lot of sway over a lot of people's minds. >> i wish i had more time to talk to you. it was great. i have been following your reporting for quite a while. always really relevant and deeply reported reads, especially this one right here. thank you so much. "the atlantic," great magazine. >> thank you. coming up, we will take to jim messina who got barack obama twice on what he is telling harris team on what they need to do to win. you are watching msnbc.

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to bring the changes we need for the city we love. as much as we look at the national polls, the race for 270 is really state by state. a new cnbc poll shows voters in the seven key battleground states that will decide who gets to 270 are split between former president trump and vice president harris. both will be in battlegrounds, trump in arizona and nevada, harris in georgia. joining me now, jim messina. they are in the battleground states trying to drum up every last voter. how do you see this race? you are looking at two things in particular for kamala harris. that makes you more

enthusiastic. >> trump had enthusiastic voters. she has a major lead on enthusiasm. i think in a close election, really matters. the second thing is, her and her campaign -- and a little the biden campaign before this -- has spent a year and a half building the largest ground army in the history of american politics. ground can get you a point move in a tight race. you would love to have that. trump has outsourced his to elon musk and other billionaires. what we learned in 2004 is you can't outsource. you need do it on your own. those are two things that make me more optimistic. >> you argue she has more room to grow. >> here is why. she's in her 92nd day as a candidate. of the voters who are undecided -- they think about politics four minutes a week.

60% are women. they don't know enough about her. a fifth say they don't know enough to make a decision. i was talking to my friends in the philly suburbs. they said they hear, i don't know enough about her. >> is she giving them enough about her? >> absolutely. last night she was on national television. she's doing everything she can. she's in her 92nd day. it's going to take a while to figure out how to do this. i think she's off to a much better start and has a better start than you and i could have expected. that said, we are in a tight race. everyone wants to be picky because we are 12 days out. >> you said to "new york" magazine, you do 66,000 simulations of the election every single night when you go home. what is that? >> because i'm a loser. i have an excel spreadsheet. it's something we started in the

obama years. we have continued trying to run different scenarios. trying to see what moving. there's a couple interesting things. this is the largest gender gap we have ever seen. if she wins, it's because women of america decided they have had enough. if she loses, the gap is too big and there was too much losses with the white men, especially younger white men. i'm watching that closely. the other thing is she's starting to catch up on key metrics. there's a poll showing she's tied on taxes. the fact that they are tied shows you we are in a tied race. >> houston with beyonce, a needle mover? >> it's important to drive choice and abortion. everyone gave the democrats grief in 2022 because they switched to abortion and

democracy at the end. they need to highlight the stakes. you go to do that in the battleground states. that's what's going to happen. >> do you have a good story for explaining the ee -- i feel like i have a good story why it went a certain way once it ends. i have the retrospective answer. i don't have the forward looking answer. >> i have spent my entire adult life trying not to do one thing, piss women off. the republicans caught the car on abortion. since the dobbs decision, women voters have in every state have said enough. i think that's the story of this election. >> there's a lot of male voters who say, it's absurd. they don't want to see their wives go through it, their daughters go through it. not to say you are saying it's only a women issue. i wanted to add that. jim, good to have you. thank you so much. i look forward to seeing what your simulations tell you

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campaign stop on the campus of duke university in durham. we're going to monitor that event if we can. there he is. oh, there he goes. all right. okay. the u.s. and israel are sending delegations to doha in the coming days, in an effort to restart a potential ceasefire and hostage deal in gaza. the talks come as egypt meets today with representatives of hamas after its former leader, yahya sinwar was killed, before leaving qatar for london. secretary of state antony blinken announced a new $135 million humanitarian aid effort to feed desperate palestinians. >> but we all know that it's not enough to provide funding. it's not even enough to get the assistance to the borders of gaza. what's so critical is that the aid gets to the people who need it. >> nbc international correspondent raf sanchez joins me now from tel aviv.

this money, this effort, this push from secretary blinken, why is he so concerned about what's happening in gaza right now, and what does he want the israelis to do? >> reporter: i mean, katie, when you see the images coming out of gaza, you can understand the urgency that secretary blinken is referring to. our crew was down in the southern city of khan younis. there was not enough. you can see it on your screen there. there was a surging crowd of desperate people. that man trying to in some ways, control the crowd and get bread to people who need it. you see kids up on the shoulders of their parents there. it is just a dire situation, and katie, that is in southern gaza. that is in khan younis.

it's so much worse up in the north of the strip where israelis are besieging the camp. very little food and medicine has been able to get in there since october 1st when that siege began, and a u.n.-backed monitoring group is saying pretty much the entire population of gaza at this point are facing crisis levels of hunger. so you are seeing secretary blinken raising this issue with israeli officials during his meetings here. he has said there has been some improvement since he and defense secretary lloyd austin sent a letter to the israeli government basically warning that if they don't get more aid into gaza within the next 30 days, the u.s. may cut off military aid, but you can just see, katie, by the scale of that crowd, a little bit better is clearly not good enough. >> raf sanchez. raf, thank you very much. that's going to do it for this hour. i'll see you back here at 3:00 p.m. for katy tur reports.

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