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good to be with you. 12 days out from the election. and suddenly, we're seeing kamala harris everywhere. on podcasts and late night talk shows, on nbc news and telemundo, on cnn, at the v.p.'s residence and now in a surprise gaggle with reporters in philadelphia. >> two leaders in the republican party, the mayor of waukesha and fred upton. and this continues to be, i think, evidence of the fact that people who have been leaders in our country, regardless of the political party, understand what is at stake. and they are weighing in,
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courageously, in many cases, in support of what we need to have, which is a president of the united states who understands the obligation of upholding the constitution of the united states and our democracy. >> she is using the facetime to seize the narrative, that donald trump is an existential danger, a fascist. john kelly is putting out a 911 call to the american people. understand what can happen if donald trump is back in the white house. also, quote, he wants unchecked power. quote, he has contempt for the constitution of the united states. quote, he wants a military that is loyal to him. quote, he is going to sit there, unstable, unhinged, plotting his revenge. retribution, creating an enemies list. quote, let's be clear about who he considers to be the enemy from within. anyone who refuses to bend the
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knee or dares to criticize him would qualify, like judges, like journalists, like nonpartisan election officials. clearly, the campaign thinks this is her last chance to convince fence-sitters to vote for her. and this is her best message to do that. is it? as tom nichols writes in "the atlantic," for millions the gop faithful -- for millions of the gop faithful, donald trump's daily attempts are not offensive but reassuring. they want trump to be awful. still, nichols argues that one ray of hope is that revelations from people like john kelly do seem to matter. nbc news white house correspondent, aaron gilchrist is in clarkson, georgia. ron hilliard. and aaron haynes who will be in
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atlanta. and senior reporter, greg bluestein. aaron gilchrist, i'm going to start with you. tell me more of what you expect to see from harris tonight. and about this -- i don't want to say a change in messaging, but a renewed push of donald trump, the threat to democracy, donald trump, the fascist. >> reporter: yeah. i think you're hearing a more forceful message from the vice president, along those lines how she views former president trump, how she sees him as a danger to democracy. and her using that as part of a message why he should not be re-elected and why he should not be in the oval office. tonight, we can expect to hear the vice president talk a lot about the need for people to actually get out and vote. we know she has a star-studded lineup with her here in atlanta or outside atlanta, on the edge of the city here. she is going to appear with
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former president barack obama. at the same time, there will be a performance from bruce springsteen. tyler perry is expected to be here. samuel l. jackson, and spike lee. folks that are well-known for their celebrity. people who have a lot of folks who pay attention to them and follow them. the campaign can use these surrogates in settings like this, throughout the weekend and over the next 12 days, leading up to election day, the tell people that, you know, great, let's get excited. we appreciate the enthusiasm that you've shown over the last many months. now, it's time to turn that into action by way of voting. the vice president likely to encourage people to vote early, as has already happened to the tune of 25 million-plus people around the country. 2 million in georgia. we learned a while ago, have already voted. you would expect to hear that message from the vice president. encouraging people to do that in the days ahead and particularly on election day on november 5th. >> all right. greg, let's talk more about georgia and what you're seeing down there. so many early votes now cast.
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is there a sense that this election feels like 2020? or like 2015? >> such a good question. there has been extraordinary amount of early votes cast in person record set for early in-person voting in georgia. what we saw from the makeup, it is relatively split down the middle. particularly from republicans because they were not encouraging early voting in past presidential elections. they are now. there's a sense of confidence for republicans, getting out the early vote and doing what democrats have long done in georgia. we don't know if that's a transfer from election day voting or if this is a surge in newcomers. we do know, from the chart, there's a huge number of -- there's a big female advantage in every poll we've had in georgia. this enormous gender gap with women, overwhelmingly supporting
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vice president harris. >> let me play a little bit from harris, addressing voters who are still making a decision. >> frankly, i think of it he's putting out a 911 call to the american people. >> let me ask you tonight, do you think donald trump is a fascist? >> yes, i do. when he was president, during extreme disasters when it came time to determine how those areas, the people who had been traumatized by extreme weather would get relief, he asked the question, did they vote for him? i believe the american people deserve better. >> all right. the he she was first referring to was john kelly. this was the news yesterday, that john kelly came out and decided to say, with his own voice, recorded by "the new york times," in an interview, that donald trump is a fascist. he wants to be a fascist. he is the kind of person that wants a military that is completely loyal to him. and when you look at polling
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done, there's evidence to suggest that the messaging could work with some undecided voters, that donald trump is a danger. not because kamala harris is saying it, but because john kelly is saying it. members of his white house are saying it. senior members, like general kelly, who cannot be supportive. all of the senior ranking officials. and in this internal polling, this is done by a democratic group, the single-best issue to convince overall voters and independent voters, is that donald trump's own people don't think he's fit for the job. what are you seeing from this messaging? are you seeing evidence of that in georgia, which is a purple state? >> it's clear that john kelly's
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comments are going to have an effect on this election. people like sarah longwell said, people not going to vote for the former president but could be open to voting for vice president harris, a thing that would persuade them is hearing from people like the generals who have a tremendous amount of credibility. people who worked closely with the president and are speaking out. those people have credibility. you see vice president harris continuing to hammer this message in the home stretch about the former president being a threat to the democracy, talking about the constitution, having team -- being on the stump with people like liz cheney last week, to talk to the threat of democracy, as part of her really important closing argument. but i mean, you know, even as she's only been at the top of the ticket for three months, she's trying to define herself, while trying to remind people of
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who former president trump is. that, as election season is under way, is the thing that could make a difference with a handful of undecided voters out there. we see people casting ballots in the record numbers. an interesting point i would make with the early voting number, we're seeing with the numbers in north carolina and georgia, with you seeing this even split between democrats and republicans in places like georgia, also this huge gender gap, that also raises the question, could some of these republicans that are casting ballots also be women who might be casting a ballot for harris? it will be interesting to see if that is what is happening in some of the early voting. >> yeah. that's kind of what i wanted to ask you next. if you're thinking about atlanta and georgia in particular. places like buckhead and atlanta. that's a place that can go back and forth. wonder what the suburban women psyche is in a town like that or
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area like that. do you have a sense of how the fence-voters in metro atlanta might be feeling? they could be the ones that put this over the top in that state. >> we have done reporting in georgia, on the suburban women who could make the difference. one of the issues that could make the difference for those suburban women is the issue of gun violence, which is also something that vice president harris has talked about. she's talked about it on the campaign trail. she's talked about it in georgia. she continues to talk about abortion and reproductive rights in georgia. we know that georgia and the six-week abortion ban at issue in this state, has been something that has animated a lot of voters, particularly women voters, to go to the polls and is probably on the minds of a lot of voters, as they are early voting in the record
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numbers here. in georgia, i expect her to continue that messaging when she is here. also, you have to remember that georgia was a state that was targeted by the former president, accused of election fraud, accused of being part of the rigged election. we know that is not something that happened. this was the scene, that you had former president trump begging for those almost 12,000 votes from georgia elected officials and trying to disqualify voters. that may also be a thing that's motivating and galvanizing a lot of voters. that's something that vice president harris will be reminding people here during the home stretch, as well. >> let's talk about the trump side of things. i think it's interesting -- i think that tom nichols is making a correct argument here. the daily outrage from trump, the democrats see that and say this is the reason why he's not fit for office, is preaching to the choir there. folks say, i understand, i'm
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onboard with you. but the people that like donald trump like him just for that reason. that he is outrageous. they want him to be awful. i know you see that when you go to rallies. you hear that from people. it's a middle finger to the rest of the country. there's a handful of voters that are not leaning one way or another. and they're thinking, we have enough people on our side, we're going to do the awful thing. >> there's the campaign. and there's donald trump. >> that was donald trump. >> right. campaign wants to focus on immigration, and they wish they could focus on that every speech. they have made some of the points that we were in duluth county where he did just that. and he goes off on tangents and he hits the flag post that everybody rallies around.
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the crowd is the most enthusiastic to and that's the attacks on name everybody in the book. this is part of -- i think a really important nichols bringing up here. he turned out a record number of republicans in 2020. we had a conversation a week before the 2020 election. could he juice that turnout to overcome deficits in places like cobb county or maricopa county. he almost did it in both places. has he grown the maga movement more this go around? >> can i ask you a weird thing that happened at the turning point event. tucker carlson gets on stage and starts calling donald trump daddy. what? >> he was using a metaphor, tucker carlson was, to say sometimes you come home when you're the daddy and you find that your daughter has smeared
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her feces on the wall. and you have to give her, in his words, quote, a vigorous spanking. and he said when they tell you that he did not win, tell them that daddy is coming home. clearly, you know who the people were that he was referencing as part of this story. but this is the type of rhetoric that got that crowd on its feet. greg was there, he heard it, too. this is the stuff that sits on social media and galvanizes them. i think you cannot dismiss the impact of this sort of rhetoric on making people excited -- >> okay. inside the room it plays. and they say -- they were chanting daddy's home when he got on the stage? >> correct. >> that's so, so uncomfortable and strange. >> i think that's where the country is going to be going through a reckoning, the days after. there's such a large share of the electorate that is
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galvanized -- >> are they seeing this stuff? or is it just being siloed into these little echo chambers among voters and republican maga voters that are into this sort of thing? i wonder if the broader -- if they make it it of that echo chamber, enough for regular folks to see and think to themselves -- maybe they don't think it's weird. >> look at the college campuses. today, he's at arizona state. he is landing in about the next hour on the campus of arizona state. he's going to state college in pennsylvania, the home of penn state on saturday, for a rally. and folks like charlie kirk, they are trying to use social media. trying to use the bro culture of the 18-year-old to 22-year-olds that did not vote. we're seeing the go around -- they may not win gen-z, young voters, 18 to 29. if they can close that gap and make it 10% of a gain, and win
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gen-z male voters. that could well, if you're looking at a place like georgia or arizona, that comes within 10,000 votes, it's those people that think that donald trump, that type of leadership, call it authoritarian, call it old-fashion strength, and that's what the males are looking as the leader they want, you're talking about a big enough margin that could make the difference and win the election in the key states in 2024. for donald trump, he understands, through the podcaster, his son is in college now. he is tapping into that network that i was unfamiliar with and learning the names of, too. it's part of a group here. >> a different conversation happening in a different space that a lot of people have no idea about. >> this is not the 2016 maga movement. is it big enough to win the election? >> it is different. it skews younger and very male.
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thank you very much. we're going to talk about this more. we got more of this. thank you very much. still ahead, what authorities found at the home of an arizona man who is suspected of shooting at a campaign office of the democratic party three times. you're going to want to hear what he had in his garage. plus, what do young voters want? and more importantly, will they turn out? the polling and what it suggests. new polling and what it suggests about the potential role in the race. we're back in 90 seconds. pt me . ...and even at 2 years. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections... ...or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn's disease or uc. ask your gastroenterologist... ...about skyrizi. ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ now approved for uc.
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healthcare. the new warnings this week about donald trump's fitness for office, it's coming from his one-time inner circle. including the longest serving chief of staff. if you listen to fox news, you won't hear the warns. fox news ignored the story and trashed the reporting from jeffrey goldberg on "the atlantic." that while in office, donald trump attacked a soldier with a racist putdown and admired the loyalty of hitler's generals. >> the main story is a thin hit piece on trump. >> it's a mishmash of trump attacks in that story. and you saw some synergy yesterday, between "the atlantic" which is a leading resistance for trump journal,
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and the harris campaign. >> they are throwing spaghetti against the wall and see if this sticks. >> this guy's name is jeffrey goldberg. he's from "the atlantic." i was on a tarmac when jeffrey goldberg's story popped about winners and losers. it took an hour for me to get a dozen statements saying that was not true. >> they want us to react to headlines. i'm going to remind the world what donald trump did as our commander in chief. >> joining us now, chief strategist for the bush/cheney 2004 campaign and msnbc political contributor, matthew dowd. how much does it matter that they are not airing the kelly comments or trashing the goldberg reporting? >> it matters a little bit. fox news' audience, keep in mind, is 6 million, 7 million
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people. 70 million people voted for donald trump. 90% of the audience that the people is going to get don't watch fox news. i think what matters in this story -- and i believe this story is actually big and could have an effect but differently than people think, is when the mainstream, broad media. what does nbc, abc, cbs, pbs, broadly big covers the story. and they covered the story. >> why does it matter so much? it's being covered by the stations you mention? >> i think it goes to a fundamental vulnerability that donald trump has, that people don't have respect for him or don't think he is fit for office. when i was working for bush and the dui story broke before election day. the effect it had was not to switch people from george w.
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bush to al gore. what it did was, is it created a loss of enthusiasm among bush supporters. so, the race changed by one or two points. i did polling after the weekend. it wasn't a shift of voters from one to another. it was a loss of enthusiasm. the turnout changed in the course of that election. that's the effect this story could have which are the people that don't like donald trump that are voting for him today, 5% or 6%, that don't like him but are voting, there may be a loss of enthusiasm to vote. and that could indirectly help the vice president. >> if they stay home, it could help her. what about the weirdness happening in some of these events. i was talking about the turning points that bob hilliard went to. let me play tucker carlson calling donald trump daddy. >> there has to be a point at which dad comes home.
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and he's pissed. dad is pissed. when dad gets home, you know what he says? you've been a bad girl. you've been a bad, little girl. and you're getting a vigorous spanking, right now. and no, it's not going to hurt me more than it hurts you. no, it's not. >> that's so weird. and the crowd chanted dad's home or daddy's home, when donald trump came in. who does this appeal to outside of the fervent folks? >> that's all it appeals to. you're a mom, right? i'm a father. the idea -- it's such a perception of two things. one, the perception of who they think they want donald trump to be, somehow give a beating to people, that they don't agree with or don't like or not doing what they want. that's one odd part of it. the other odd part of it is their view of what they think is
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a good father is. a good father comes home in their mind pissed off and will whip a child? that's their view of what a good father is. it's an 1870 version of what an american family is. that's their appeal. but it's a small group of people. it's not suburban women in georgia or suburban women in north carolina or a suburban voter in detroit. those voters are so far removed from that language. it is a base vote but a small part of the base. >> all right. matthew dowd, i think you went back too far. i think it's a 1980s, ' 70s, '60s version. coming up, what federal agents seized at the home of a suspect shooting at democratic offices in arizona. first, what gen-z voters want is out.
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41 million members of generation z are eligible to vote this year. will they? and what do they look for? nbc has the numbers of what they are thinking and they are hopeful about the future. nbc news correspondent and host of "stay tuned" savannah sellers. i love snapchat. i love "stay tuned." >> i'm sure you're a regular viewer. >> i am, actually. generation z voters. they can make a difference. are they voting in large numbers? are they planning to? >> they are planning to, according to 58%, many will show up to vote. who are they going to vote for? it's a complicated question. 50% say they support harris. and one-third say they support trump. here's what it gets interesting.
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we were talking with von about this. it's the gender divide. young women, they are supporting harris by a 33-point margin. big lead there. young men, it's split evenly. a two-point difference. there's that shift. the same thing about how they talk about the temperament to lead. more men than women in this voting group, 18-year-olds to 29-year-olds that were surveyed, says that trump has the temperament to lead. young women, more say that harris has the temperament to lead over. he. the cost of living inflation, is the number one issue for 32%. a big lead over the other issues there. those are the things that is motivating. talking to young women, abortion is what i heard. i was in wisconsin. almost every young woman said that's the motivation for them
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and their friends they are talking to. >> what about the forecast for the future? how do they feel about their fuch centers. >> pretty negative. 77% say they believe the country is on the wrong track. 22% say it is on the right track. i was at a swing state. there's so much campaigning going on. a lot of them are done with the division. i was at a funeral, all everybody is talking about is politics and the presidential election. it doesn't feel right to me. it feels too contentious. >> is there too much politics in the bloodstream? is it because of a.i. or the cost of living? >> the cost of living comes up when you talk about the future. and the big one in august, we had another "stay tuned" poll. what are you concerned about? and so many of them told us, they are delaying life events like buying a home or a car. they can't right now.
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they aren't sure when they can. and that makes them anxious about the future. and the political jobs, they are sick of hearing about it. one of them in wisconsin, said it was stuffed. that was enough. interesting numbers. >> one of my e-mails, one i don't check. and literally every single e-mail was a now is the time. please donate. we got to get you. from all of the political parties. >> even on campus. i can't walk without a minimum of five people asking me if i registered to vote. >> i don't know how they got my e-mail. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. senator chris murphy. what he believes should be kamala harris' closing message to americans. what an arrest in arizona is signaling about election security. it mortgage payment every month.
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election security is proving to be a challenge in maricopa county, arizona. this morning in phoenix, a usps mailbox was set on fire, damaging at least 20 ballots. in tempe, a man is accused of planning a mass casualty event at a harris outpost in the city.
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our affiliate kpnx has more. >> reporter: 60-year-old jeffrey kelly appearing on sefrlg felony charges, after targeting a democratic committee office in tempe. he is accused of firing a gun at the office on three, separate nights. with no known suspect, the silver suv was the investigators' only lead. >> it was a silent witness tip that the public provided that helped us identify this suspect. >> the tempe police chief says a community member remembered kelly from 2022, when he stole and cut up democratic campaign signs. video of that alleged incident shared with 12 news, shows the same silver suv spotted in the shootings. >> that was a critical piece that put it together. >> reporter: that's when the department put surveillance on kelly. earlier this week, officers watched kelly put up
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anti-democratic signs, attached with bags of unidentified white powder. >> there's no place in the city of tempe for political threats or intimidation. >> reporter: police arrested kelly and searched his home tuesday, leaving behind a boarded-up garage. >> they were ripping everything apart. >> reporter: prosecutors accused kelly of committing an act of mass casualty, which they say included 120 guns, 250,000 rounds of ammunition, a grenade launcher and machine gun in his car. >> to think he is a threat to the community. >> kelly's neighbors say he is quiet and typically keeps to himself. >> this is a pretty sleepy town. a community right here. you're always surprised when there's something that violent going on. >> reporter: the maricopa county attorney's office is reviewing the case, saying it's possible there could be additional charges. >> we will aggressively pursue prosecution to protect our democracy and our democratic process.
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>> a grenade launcher. joining us now, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent, ken delaney. we were talking about arizona. "the wall street journal" reporting how it is getting hardened. we were talking with bram out there. it seems like arizona is going to be a tricky one for officials. how concerned are folks you're talking to? >> arizona seems to be ground zero for political violence right now. there's been a number of incidents. this man, his lawyer says, was a retired aerospace engineer, who had a top-secret security clearance as recently as 2020. this just blows your mind. a separate incident in phoenix, katie, where a mailbox, a usps blue collection site was set on fire. it was full of ballots. and 20 ballots were damaged. and apparently, they have arrested a suspect. they have not identified the
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suspect. paper ballots are vulnerable to sabotage and damage. in an election this close, that could matter. authorities are on-edge in arizona and other places about political and election boxes. still ahead, what black men in philadelphia are saying about the election. we'll go there. by every measure of the u.s. economy is strong. why do voters continue to believe they would be in a better financial position if donald trump were president again? senator chris murphy why the stats don't mean much to average voters and what he thinks v.p. harris and democrats in general should be doing to address economic concerns. woah. dayquil vapocool. the vaporizing daytime, coughing, aching, stuffy head, power through your day, medicine.
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be lip service, described in a river of opportunity that flowed nowhere near their families or anyone they knew. and something fundamental has to change to avoid another trump presidency. joining us now, senator chris murphy, who represents the state of connecticut. i got to be honest with you. i've wanted to talk to you about these thoughts for a while now. another interview with "the new york times," going further into this more recently. and we're going to talk news of the day. do you believe this is addressing the unhappiness that so many americans feel? >> i feel the biden administration has started to turn the corner. man, it's a slow, long corner. what you're trying to do is address the sense of powerlessness that people have.
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more people have a job than ever before. people don't feel in control of their lives. for 20 years, democrats outsourced power and control to giant courses to millionaires and billionaires and haven't invested in families. joe biden and kamala harris have started that revitalizations. they are breaking up the monopo monopolies. he is the most pro-union president we've f seen. but transition doesn't happen overnight. still, many americans feel like they lack the power and the agency over the lives they want. we do a better job of explaining that kamala harris is going to continue that work. donald trump is going to reverse that trend. he's going to pass a massive tax
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cut for millionaires. we're not there yet. they haven't gone to the middle of the country and we have to do a better job of messaging the difference. >> we have two weeks left. less than two weeks left for the election. 12 days. it's a difficult one because it's not a normal election. they're not normal candidates. that puts him in a different realm than kamala harris. she is going out and hitting harder that donald trump is a threat to democracy. he's a danger, quoting john kelly, saying he is a fascist. warning americans. but there are a lot of americans who are out there who maybe don't believe it or don't seem to care and want to hear about the economy. how do you do both? >> i think part of the reason that people have not believed that donald trump is a threat to
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democracy is because democrats don't talk about it enough. when they hear us focusing on lots of other issues, they tend to believe that maybe donald trump is all bluster. he's not. nothing matters more than our democracy because if donald trump transitions us from a world in which you can protest your government to a world that you get locked up if you protest your government, the people lose the ability to impact anything else that matters in their lives, the economy, choice, climate change. so, people economy, choice, climate change. so people are sensitive to the health of our democracy. they do not want to spoerpt donald trump if they really believe that he is going to destroy the rule of law. so it's important for us to raise your voices. you can walk and chew gum at the same time it's not that there's a contrast on the economy, but she's right to raise the specter
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of the dystopian nature of another trump presidency. >> are you worried about another january 6th? another trump attempt to stop the account? >> of course. i hope that cooler heads can prevail if kamala harris looks like the winner on election night we are likely not going to know that night, probably will be several days later and we know that donald trump continues to celebrate the violence of january 6th promising to pardon those protesters, insurgence, and that's a message to those on his behalf this time around as long as they're successful installing him in power, even if he lost the election they can get away with it. so i'm going to do everything in my power to make sure this is a peaceful transition. but donald trump's refusal to disavow violence. his claims that these elections and procedures are fraudulent. makes us all worried. >> you guys passed legislation in the aftermath of january 6th
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to try to keep things a little bit tighter. what was that? >> a few of us got together after the 2020 election and we rewrote the electoral count act. the law that governs how we move from election day to the day the president is sworn in it was written in the 1880s it wasn't working in 2021. we did a couple of things that were important, we had an expedited pathway for legal disputes to be heard. and we made it clear that only the governor is in a position to deliver a slate of electors to the congress so you don't have a situation where the governor is sending one slate and the legislature on behalf of donald trump is sending a second slate of electors. so it's harder to -- donald trump will find it harder to manipulate his followers into
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backing a fraudulent election result but it's still not impossible. and there's nothing we can do in that piece of law that will stop donald trump from mustering a mob and sending it on a state legislature or a congress. >> i'm wondering is there something more you could do and might do if you had the majority again and maybe not the filibuster? >> one thing that's important to remember we have a department of justice right now controlled by people who want to observe the election results whether donald trump wins or kamala harris wins. we're not going to have a situation this time where the military is on stand by if there's an assault on the capitol. the military will come to defend democracy at the moment it's undersiege. so it matters that you have people who care about the rule of law running the department of justice and the white house today. that's a much better guarantor that the actual winner of the
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election, whether it's harris or trump is installed in the white house. >> i note that you emphasized today, chris murphy. thank you very much. coming up next, what black men told yamiche alcindor about how they're going to vote. don't go anywhere. t go anywhere. , and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! ♪♪ with fastsigns, signage that gets you noticed turns hot lots into homes. ♪♪ fastsigns. make your statement. ( ♪ ♪ ) start your day with nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. when you have kids, you get opinions. i'd have them in bed by eight. if it's under 65 degrees outside,
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black men used to be considered a loyal voting block for democrats but this year the harris campaign is grappling with the reality that trump's popularity with men across the board could shift the numbers. yamiche alcindor has more. >> reporter: with 12 days to go before election day, former president trump in georgia for the tenth time this campaign. >> and georgia you have to stand up and you have to tell kamala harris that kamala you've done a horrible job. >> reporter: vice president harris in pennsylvania, the cnn
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town hall her second time taking questions directly from voters in the state this week. >> i do believe that donald trump is unstable, increasingly unstable and unfit to serve. >> reporter: it comes as she works to shore up support among a key constituency that trump has targeted. including men. >> i intend to look for everyone. this is something that is critically important is to see black folks, and in particular black men as a whole human being. >> reporter: 2020 exit poll shows 79% of black men backed biden but recent polls show the support slipping. christian dunn, who's voting republican for the first time is the kind of voter the harris campaign worries about.
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>> when i look at kamala i don't see leadership the way i do in trump. being the most moral person doesn't make you a candidate. >> president obama -- >> i'm speaking to men directly. part of it makes me think that you just aren't feeling the idea of having a woman as president. >> reporter: at this barbershop, troy is also voting for trump. >> what do you like about donald trump especially since you're changing. >> he's transparent, keeping it real. >> reporter: most men said they're voting for harris. >> i used to be for trump. >> reporter: do you feel that some of the stuff that made you consider voting for trump are misinformation. >> absolutely. >> reporter: what do you like about vice president harris. >> her policies. >> that one guy saying being the most moral doesn't make you the best candidate. interesting.

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