see leadership the way i do in trump. being the most moral person doesn't make you a candidate. >> president obama -- >> i'm speaking to men directly. part of it makes me think that you just aren't feeling the idea of having a woman as president. >> reporter: at this barbershop, troy is also voting for trump. >> what do you like about donald trump especially since you're changing. >> he's transparent, keeping it real. >> reporter: most men said they're voting for harris. >> i used to be for trump. >> reporter: do you feel that some of the stuff that made you consider voting for trump are misinformation. >> absolutely. >> reporter: what do you like about vice president harris. >> her policies. >> that one guy saying being the most moral doesn't make you the best candidate. interesting. that does it for me today.

"deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪ hi, everyone it's 4:00 in new york. today, the aftershocks of the release of the kelly tapes. a retired four-star general, a life of sacrifice and service, a gold star father, a former chief of staff to donald trump going on the record and on tape importantly saying that donald trump in his view meets the technical and practical definition of a fascist. general kelly also recounting the numerous times he mentioned his admiration for hitler and hitler's generals to john kelly. today, question everyone has to grapple with, what would it mean to have someone like that as our commander in chief and what would it mean more importantly for those serving in the united states military? and how could a hitler admiring

fascist, in the worlds of john kelly, not somehow erase the significance of the sacrifices made to save the world from hitler and fascism during world war ii. here's how past american presidents of both parties talk about hitler and the fight against fascism. >> we are determined with our noble allies here that europe's freedom will never again be endangered. we now have about 200,000 americans fighting men in europe to make sure that this threat is never before us again. >> you all knew that some things are worth dying for. one's country is worth dying for

and democracy is worth dying for because it's the most deeply honorable form of government devised by man. >> the most difficult days of your lives brought us 50 years of freedom. you did your job. now we must do ours. let us begin by teaching our young people about the villainny that started this war and is the valor that ended it. >> it's the strange call of history that called on young men from the prairie towns and city streets of america to cross an ocean and throw back the marching mechanized evils of fascism. and those young men did it. you did it. [ applause ]

>> freedom is worth it. democracy is worth it. america is worth it. the world is worth it. then, now, and always. >> and here's how donald trump views fascism and hitler in the words of someone who served his country in uniform for decades and also served as the longest chief of staff to donald trump. >> he would -- more than once said hitler did some good things too. and, of course, if you know history, and again i think he's lacking in that. if you know what hitler was all about you'd be pretty hard to make an argument that he did anything good. >> looking at the definition of fascism it's a far right political ideology movement

characterized by a didictatoria leader, and belief in a natural social hierarchy. in my experience those are the things he think would work better running america. authoritarian, admires people who are dictators. he has said that. so he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist for sure. >> that's where we start today with our favorite experts and friends. tim miller is here, also joining us retired general barry mccaffrey, and democratic strategist and president of brilliant corners research cornell belcher is back and with

me at the table for the hour, special correspondent for "vanity fair," molly john fast is here. general mccaffrey i start with you. it's not just that trump is now described as a fascist by three of the most senior generals who ever served the country and certainly who have ever been a part of the modern political conversation because of the choices they made to serve is in john kelly's case as chief of staff and in secretary mattis' case as secretary of defense. but describing him as fascist, the country has to grapple with what that means not just in 14 days but about our history. we are a country that describes and agrees that the greatest generation is the generation that fought fascism.

is the generation that fought hitler, who donald trump says, quote, did a lot of good things, too. how do we do that? >> it's very difficult to address this issue rationally it's so preposterous. hitler and his generals murdered 21 million people, the mentally ill, the gypsy population, 6 million jews. the sick, the injured, prisoners of war. we had 400000 plus u.s. troops killed during that conflict. my dad served all three of my uncles. the nation came together. we put 16 million men and women into uniform to try to roll back this evil. it's simply beyond belief that

trump could take this stance. and by the way, kelly i've known for decades. he's one of the finest public servants, marine generals we've ever produced. a man of rock-like integrity. trump then responds to him he's a low life and degenerate. who talks like that? this guy is a basic threat to the security of the united states and to our constitution. >> general mccaffrey, how do you convey how un-american it is to believe that hitler did good things when so many american families proudest legacy is what you described, someone in their family, a father grandfather, uncle, served in world war ii to fight hitler and fascism. >> that's right and hitler had the loyalty of his generals and they marched over the cliff together.

the worst impact was the devastation of their own country. by the end of the war it was a rubble pile one out of two german homes was destroyed. he devastated his own people. i don't think you can address this coming at it from a rational perspective. i think mr. trump -- by the way, when he lost the last question and moved a retired general out of the white house and put him in the pentagon. at the time i was on air saying this guy is arranging a coup against the united states government he had an acting homeland security, director of defense, acting department of homeland security. he was setting up a third world coup against the constitution. this time, he's telling us in advance he's going to eliminate the deep state, deport 25 million people using the armed forces. the language, the actions of political rhetoric is 1930s

germany. we have been told directly we have to wake up. this is not hyperbole this is not entertainment value. this guy is a threat to our way of life. >> let me show you how vice president kamala harris dalt with the tapes and the revelation last night at a town hall. first on the question of whether trump is a fascist. >> let me ask you tonight, do you think donald trump is a fascist? >> yes, i do. yes, i do. and i -- and i also believe that the people who know him best on this subject should be trusted. again, look at their careers. these are not people, with the exception i think of only mike pence, these were not politicians. these were career people who served in the highest rolls in national security. who served as generals in our

military. who are highly respected. talking about the person who would be commander in chief. >> so is he a fascist is a question that must now be asked of every person man and woman in elected office because it's a binary answer, yes, and you agree with general kelly, who's on tape saying so. jim mattis and mark milly who said he's fascist to the core. and it's a question that everyone in government and aspiring to politics has to answer. >> listen we've been working in politics a long time, right, this is crazy uncharted waters. we can have policy discussions at the national level for candidates about taxes. and -- but this is where we have a conversation about whether or

not someone who might be president of the united states is a fascist. first i want to say, you know, actually i think we owe a thank you to general kelly and those other generals who are still on duty. because i still see this as general kelly and the other generals still protecting america. this isn't about partisanship they have an oath to the country and the constitution and thank god they still see themselves standing on duty trying to protect the country. so i'm thankful that general kelly came out and he's putting it forward. and i want to throw the question back to you, nicole, how much of this conversation about fascism is going to matter to that 47, 48% of trump voters that we know voted for him two times before. how many of those voters are going to move to even understand what fascism is or the threat that fascism presents to their

freedoms? this is uncharted waters where we're having a conversation to explain to people, especially a lot of young people, what the threat of fascism is and how it can impact their lives. >> i'm not accustomed to people throwing it back to me but i'm also not going to dodge the question. i think the answer is 47% can go with trump, right. i think there's real economic anxiety and pain that whether we look it or not people are willing to stomach the bad and vote for him. i'm not worried about them, right. i am worried about the percent that vice president kamala harris would need to prevail in 13 days. so he can -- his ceiling is about 46%. he can have them. what i'm worried about, even if you vote for donald trump, i want those voters to know, because some of those voters also believe that the greatest generation -- i can't watch

those clips of those presidents talking at d-day without crying. and i think it's imperative that everyone casting a vote know whether they voted for donald trump or kamala harris, that donald trump is defined technically and practically as a fascist by the three most senior generals who served alongside of him. i believe every voter who casts a vote, regardless of who they vote for has to know that donald trump believes hitler did some good things. and i believe that in the sweep of history, when people have all the information, enough people still choose good. i also believe, tim miller, that what even trump voters hate and the reason they were first drawn to trump is because they felt sort of lied to and scammed. the people doing the lying and the scamming are elected republicans. let me read you what elected

republicans had to say about general john kelly in their own words because i think that's the only tool we have left to work with. showing you what they said. tom cotton, quote, john kelly is a true patriot who has dedicated his life to our nation. ana and i join all americans in thanking general kelly and karen for their service and sacrifice. semper fi general kelly. lindsey graham when kelly faced calls to resign over the woodward book, quote, even a fifth grader would understand that general kelly has provided sound advise to and leadership for president trump. john kelly is the right man at the right time for this white house and the president. mitch mcconnell, general john kelly has served the nation and president with great distinction. the marine corps is stronger for his years of leadership. america is better for his career

of service i extend my deep gratitude for his job well done. let me show you what they said before cameras. >> my family sleeps better at night knowing that a four-star general, a marine no less, is leading the department of homeland security. so thank you. >> it is a much more orderly and aligned west wing than it was previously and i think the president is extraordinarily well served by that and more importantly likes it. >> having general kelly in charge helps. general kelly was probably the best choice available to him, he was a good man, listen to him. >> because lindsey graham is the only economic relief available to me these days let me show you what lindsey graham said to my colleague, kristen welker when asked about the detailed reporting in "the atlantic" about general kelly's

observations of donald trump. >> constant andobsessive. >> i think they're wrong. >> he's the former chief of staff. >> i think they're wrong. >> they worked for former president trump. >> that's right. >> it was not a good fit. general kelly has been on record many times criticizing president trump. >> heard a lot of extreme things about donald trump from donald trump. it's kind of par for the course. it's unfortunately with a guy like that, it's kind of baked into the vote at this point. >> and i guess the last thing i say tim before i turn it to you, no voter, no trump voter, harris voter, no voter should ever accept that fascism and hitler admiration is baked into any damn cake. >> or that it's par for the course to think that hitler's generals were really doing something right. and i think that lindsey graham's point there at the end of his first comments, about how

john kelly is a good man people should listen to him are right. that's what you should leave voters with. it's almost too obvious to say but they're lying to their own voters. they're lying to their own voters to save their own hide and that was a fundamental thing that got us here. right, the republican elected officials were not being true to their voters, not being candid with them and here we are doing it all over again but in service to somebody who is deeply dangerous to the country. so i i mean, look, i think that my -- to answer cornell's question to you, i guess, and to push back on chris sununu's idea that this kind of rhetoric, trump being a fascist is par for the course. it isn't par for the course to a segment of voters that the longest serving chief of staff to a president would try to sound the alarm two weeks out and say he's a danger to the country.

like that isn't par for the course. like trump sending out weird tweets that might be par for the course. this is not par for the course. i think there are voters that are gettable. i think it's helpful to talk in plain terms for them and right to talk about fascism and the seriousness of this. for young voters i think it's important for democrats to say this week, john kelly's own military advisers said -- or donald trump's own military advisers said that trump wanted to shoot peaceful protesters and the generals had to stop him and when they did stop him, he called them the p word. so for young voters trying to decide if this is important or want to have the right to protest or speak out in the next term they should think about the fact that trump's own top advisers said he wanted to shoot

protesters and the nikki haley voters and mike pence and their warning, they should resonate with nikki haley voters. i think there are groups of people this could resonate with. >> so important what you said about how unprecedented this. that's a call for journalists not to flatten this story not move to the news that beyonce is going to appear with the vice president. that's entertainment news but this is who we are as a country. no one is going anywhere. in a public condemnation to donald trump and a nod to chaos and danger that could come with another trump presidency, very kamala harris is planning to hold a major speech on the ellipse, the same site where donald trump spoke inciting the deadly insurrection. plus flooding the system, republicans are at it again, how defenders of the election are handling the onslaught of legal

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i think of it as he's just putting out a 911 call to the american people. understand what could happen if donald trump were back in the white house. and this time we must take very seriously those folks who knew him best and who were career people are not going to be there to hold him back. at least before there were folks who we know what he would say

but they would restrain him. imagine now donald trump in the oval office, in the situation room, he who has openly admired dictators, said he would be a dictator on day 1, the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said he is a fascist to the core. so i think that when the american people reflect, especially those who are undecided, so who you should listen to, don't take my word for it. go online and listen to john kelly, his voice, talking about what he thinks of donald trump two weeks before the election. >> we're back with tim, general mccaffrey, cornell and molly. the beyonce story is huge but the media has to show it can walk and chew gum. we played president obama with

eminem, bruce springsteen is about to hit the trail. it's massive and huge. i've done this myself, flattening the country, it's all the same because there's so much. the kelly tapes deserve some extra attention. >> yeah. and i think what harris did smartly was she said go and listen to the tapes. between when you go to "the new york times" website and listen to the tapes and think this is a person who is not plig political who has been of service to his country who would not be doing this unless he believed that he had a duty to his country to come out and say these things. i thought what harris did which was very smart during that whole town hall, she kept saying this is not my opinion, this is not about me. this is john kelly. this is a guy who was his longest serving chief of staff and i think that was really important. this kind of thing does actually permeate the news and it makes this -- it makes it clear this

is not normal. these kind of things do not happen. and you're seeing more and more republicans. liz cheney and harris don't have any -- you know, this is not a policy decision this is a democracy decision. >> general mccaffrey, what does it mean to, you know, a person serving right now or a parent when someone is serving to understand and really internalize what kelly is saying, that the commander in chief, should trump prevail, is a fascist? >> look, first of all i think the armed forces will and will remain an apolitical organization. at the highest ranks at the four-star serving ranks people do not express, in private nor public, a political preference. they're going to try to remain steadfast and stay out of the election process. however, i think from a national security perspective, you watch all the former secretaries of

defense denounce trump and say he's unstable. he's incoherent, he's ignorant, he's volatile. a lot of these unprincipled republican nationally known leaders are enabling a guy who will come into office that they'll have to listen to. that they'll have to take into account is incredible misjudgment we're likely to come out of nato. we're likely to turn the ukrainians over to the russian criminal invasion. it's hard to understand what trump will do or not do. so i think the biggest thing in my mind is not the political tenor inside the armed forces nor the trump voters, it's the political leaders on the right who are enabling this guy to take office, which will be i think a disaster for national security and the country.

>> yet, matt dowd with a long career as a pollster thought this was the story that could be determinative with a tiny margins in a handful of states. what do you think of that? >> it helps her close, nicole. i do. she wants to close and talk about turning a page and moving forward and getting beyond the chaos and the division. i think this is a front and center proof point, right, that the generals are warning that he's a fascist is a front and center proof point of the dangers and the need for us to turn the page and move forward and move in a dramatically different direction. i think this is very -- i hate to put it in terms of helpful but i think this is absolutely a proof point to the close she wants to make coming up here really soon. >> tim, let me come back to you. this is where i stuck my foot in the mouth about the beyonce news. let me come back to you.

it's been so strong and such a north star in terms of doing the opposite of what i articulated, which is flattening the news cycle. say more about how you communicate, how unprecedented this really is. and the only thing i would add is, if you listen to the actual audio, the vice president said -- it becomes derivative some people see the story, the "today" show has less time so -- but if you hear it, you hear his agony. if you listen to the tapes you hear what general mccaffrey articulated. it is an apolitical institution, always has been and always will be including in john kelly's eyes. but he's saying there are elections about fitness and character not policy and this is one of them. >> yeah, for starters i have a beyonce b day 2007 tour t-shirt you're fine. >> i love her so much. >> i think beyonce would

understand. it's still a political line, keeping the main thing the main thing, you know. it's hard you deal with it on this show we deal with it on bull work, it's hard to not get beaten down, even us at the tip of the spears as being never trumpers, recognize the threat i do it sometimes i'll see the kelly news and go into pundit mood, what's the impact on the polls mode. no, this is unprecedented. people need to hear about it in a way that resonates with them. that meets them where they are and that isn't like either high minded stuff or poll stuff or horse race stuff. they'll look. this hasn't happened before, there's a huge group of voters coming in, 18 to 22, they don't really remember the mitt romney election, if you're 19 right now, that was 12 years ago, they

were 7. you have to talk to them. this is not normal. you don't usually have a new vice president candidate because the old candidate had a mobbed forced after them. and then you have a former chief of staff coming forward because he feels the danger and the threat is so great trying to do the 911 call like beyonce -- >> i feel like the phones are going to ring. >> you have beyonce on my mind, that's your fault. like kamala harris said last night. i think that is -- it's a challenge. it's a challenge for people in everyday lives and the media. we have to be conscious of it in the hopes it will continue to break through with more and more people. >> tim, you just stick around, cornell i'll ask you to stick around, molly you stick around. general i wanted to talk to you

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another point that even john kelly talked about, i believe, and many have, is january 6th. where you have the president of the united states defying the will of the people in a free and fair election. and unleashing a violent mob who attacked the united states capital, 140 law enforcement officers were attacked. some were killed. and so, i say that to say, the american people deserve to have a president who encourages healthy debate, works across the aisle, not afraid of good ideas wherever they come from. but also maintains certain standards. >> certain standards. as if she's making a floor there and trump is under it. that was vice president kamala harris. she will make a stark a contrast as possible between herself and the ex-president next tuesday when she makes a closing speech

on the ellipse in washington d.c. it is the very same spot at which donald trump spoke on january 6th when he sent a violent mob to the united states capital to overturn his defeat in the 2020 election. harris campaign officials tell nbc news they believe the location will spotlight what they call the ex-president's worst moment in office and help crystallize the choice facing americans on election day. let's talk about the closing argument first with chris land row. can you hear us? >> yes. >> your thoughts on the choice to give the speech next week on

the ellipse? >> oh, thank you. listen, there's only one jury that really matters that can actually help us save our democracy and that's the american people. so kamala harris, as the prosecutor she is, is going to make her closing argument to the apartment people next week and the site is poignant because it's the point that donald trump violated his oath to protect the constitution because in that moment in that space he decided to propagate the idea that the election was stolen and he was not going to allow the peaceful transition of power. so she's going to stand there and articulate again the choice this election presents to the american people. you can choose somebody that's going to help take us forward or back. you can choose somebody that believes in opportunity for everybody or believes in putting your foot on people's throats. you can choose somebody that believes in autocracy or

believes in democracy. which brings us to the incredible news we heard yesterday from john kelly. this was the president's chief of staff. the president gets to choose who his staff is and the most important person on his staff, the person who sees him the most, relies on the most is the chief of staff. and he picked john kelly who as you said was a four-star general, had a son that was killed in the line of duty who got to watch him every day who reiterated to us along with other people now that donald trump is not fit for office. and that particular individual, who's not fit for office is going to make decisions that are going to hurt people, not help people. at the same time what she's going to talk about is a new way forward and the ability for her to reach across the aisle as she's now done with republicans and democrats and independents to create a future that the american people are worthy of. and you can expect her to articulate that in detail as she has on the campaign trail in the last couple of months.

>> i want to play for our audience the new ad featuring one of the officers who defended the united states capital. >> donald trump calls them warriors. but those of us who defended the capitol, he insults us, and that's the difference. the oath that we took to defend our democracy we take seriously. he does not. i defended the capital on january 6th. but now we all must defend democracy with our vote. >> it's a powerful ad and i think we know from all sorts of independent pollsters that january 6th and being reminded of how violent it was damages donald trump politically. tell me what you think the impact of these two things we've been talking about, general kelly in his own voice describing trump as admiring hitler and being a fascist, as

well as reminding people of, i think liz cheney called it, dereliction of duty on january 6th. >> first of all again to remind folks somewhere between 25 and 40 people that worked with donald trump every day, these are like his references, have said to us he's not fit for office he's not thinking clearly the judgment he makes is going to hurt people he's going to isolate america, hurt our economy. and the people he picked that worked with him are telling us please don't do it again, that's the first order of business. secondly you never had in the history of the country a president want to be like adolf hitler. that's an extraordinary statement that has come from a number of people that it should cause everybody in america to stop and think about how devastatingly impossible that is to contemplate, have somebody like that sitting in the oval office. the third part is what happened on january 6th is untenable.

146 law enforcement officers were hurt, some of them lost their lives. so donald trump now wants to tell you he is the candidate of law and order and i hopefully don't have to remind the public he's the only criminal running for office, having been convicted of 34 felonies. so the idea of whether somebody is fit for office is central to the discussion. however, kamala harris is going to continue to make her point that she is a better choice for america, that she is capable and as you have seen in all of her appearances based on all the work she's done as vice president and, of course, as the senator and the vice president, the attorney general of california and the district attorney from san francisco that she has the life of a person who brings folks together and gets things done. she's going to continue to do that. but what america needs to do is take the opportunity to turn the page and have a new way forward. to get us out of the last eight to ten years of the chaos that donald trump has taken us through every day that he has been on the scene. i don't know about you, but i

really don't want to go back to waking up every day thinking about what the hell did he say or do today that put our lives at risk and put the future of america at risk. she's going to speak to that next week as she has been during the campaign. >> i think everybody in my line of work and probably yours wants to put the phone not on the night stand we want it back in the kitchen on the family charger not next to the bed. those were harrowing years. really quickly what is your sense of the state of the race. >> we knew it was going to be a close race and it is a close race. it's the only jury that matters the american people decide who their leader is going to be. donald trump doesn't believe that but the rest of us believe that and we believe in free and fair elections and believe the will of the people shall stand. everybody has to go to the polls this will be close we believed it was going to be close we would rather be us today than

them we have a great ground game there's a lot of energy we campaign until the end and i feel very good about our chances. >> mitch landrieu thank you for taking time to talk to us we're grateful. >> thank you. >> we'll take a quick break and then be back with our super star panel on the other side. per star panel on the other side.

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series of interviews published tuesday, john kelly said the former president fits the definition of a fascist. >> exwhite house chief of staff john kelly said the former president praised adolf hitler while he was in office. >> stunning news from the former chief of staff less than two weeks from election day. in an interview, john kelly said the former president fits the definition of a fascist. kelly told "the new york times" and "the atlantic" that trump prefers the dictator approach to office. >> john kelly said the former president praised adolf hitler in private. >> we're all back. tim we wanted to be able to answer the question for our viewers at least as to whether or not this broke through. it did. but i want to keep coming back to your excellent point about how to make sure that this is

clearly sort of internalized. what it would mean to have a president who admired some of the things that hitler did. >> that's a bad super cut of local news, as someone who was in charge of getting good news coverage for my candidate. that's rough. my short attack away, if you believe that trump must be a fascist or hitler you're either already voting against him or one of the people we don't want to talk about voting for him. so think about everybody else you're trying to get to. i think simple practical language he wanted to shoot protesters, his generals stopped him from doing it. next time he said he'll shoot peaceful protesters. i'm working on nikki haley voters for the bull work saying the not never trumpers, the people in the room with him, mike pence, john kelly, think

he's too dangerous to put him back in there, how can you know more about trump's judgment than they do? i'm hoping it can be important in nudging 1%, half a percent in the last two weeks. >> cornell, what are your thoughts about the sort of narrowing of the stakes? i know it was the theory of the case that if the stakes are viewed as high for our country and sour future and our democracy that's certainly a more favorable climate for her. i know it's your job to worry about everything. take me inside your thinking. >> i do think the higher the stakes and we've seen it in data going back four or five months where you saw a lot of voters, particularly younger voters didn't think the stakes were high or the election was more important than elections in the past. and one of the things we understand about voter behavior is voters don't think the

election is important and the stakes are high, what's the point of them turning out and voting. so we know that the higher the stakes think they are, the more important the election is, the more turnout you generate. so one of the fears i had four or five months ago is that we would not have an electorate or a turnout that looked like 2020 and we would have a dramatically different turnout and that gave donald trump an opportunity to win, to garner plurality, particularly with third party voting. i think when you look at the way the stakes are being raised. and i'm a believer in and people are saying, is this the right decision by the harris campaign, i think they should accelerate this because it raises the stakes and the higher the stakes are, the more turnout and the more turn out, the better for her. >> we'll give molly the last

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do with it. now we see him saying i'm getting rid of the department of education, which is part of 2025. >> and so bad. >> yeah. so i do think that voters don't want a lot of the stuff and if they are tuned in they really will make a decision to reject it. >> thank you all so much for having this conversation with us today. best to have to best. coming up for us, 12 days to election day and republicans are flooding the zone with election related lawsuits with one goal, to stoke distrust in our elections and uncertainty in its outcome. that story is next. xt o chaos.

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i will tell you as the lead federal government agency for election infrastructure security i traveled the country meeting with election officials of both parties and they work tirelessly every day to ensure every one of their citizens' votes are counted. it's why i have some confidence and can say election infrastructure has never been more secure. >> hi, those are the facts a message of confidence from jenn esterly whose job it is to protect our election systems from fraud and interference. stressing to all voters especially ones who have been fed a stream of lies for years now their votes will be counted and the results will be free from fraud and accurate. we are 12 days out from the first presidential election post donald trump's big lie about

voter fraud in the 2020 election and the ex-president and is his allies have already begun laying the foundation to contest the results of this election. it's going on for a long time, spreading also food after falsehood about the security of our elections and spreading challenges to this election results. there are 196 active voting and election cases pending in 40 states right now. nbc news reports about these brought by republicans, quote, many suits have sought to purge voter rolls or bolster signature and id requirements or inal date ballots that don't meet them while others look to revamps a pects of the administration, including the use of ballot drop boxes and instituting unusual counting protocols like requiring ballots be counted by

hand. but as a voting watchdog nonpartisan group points out, republicans don't need to win these suits to do harm. quote, what we are seeing now that is trouble slg a set of lawsuits being filed close to an election they're trying to change the rules of the road in a way that would disenfranchise voters. this litigation is not designed to succeed, just designed to create confusion and chaos. it will be during this confusion and chaos when the ex-president and allies will be able to do the most damage to our democracies. but vice president kamala harris told our hallie jackson she's ready for what's to come. >> we have two weeks to go. i'm grounded with the task at hand and we deal with election night and the days after as they come and we have the resources and the expertise and the focus

on that as well. >> you have teams ready to go, are you thinking of that as a possibility? >> of course. this is a person, donald trump, who tried to undo a free and fair election. who still denies the will of the people. who incited a violent mob to attack the united states capital and 146 law enforcement officers were attacked, some were killed. this is a serious matter. >> that's where we start the hour with some of that expertise, voting rights attorney and founder of the site democracy docket mark elias, his firm has been retained by the harris campaign ahead of the election. sometimes we have to zoom through what worries you most. i wanted to two through them and have you explain them to us. take us through your top hot spots. >> so look, the first thing for people to keep in mind is that we -- people are already voting and we are seeing the voting

process succeed. people are able to get their ballots, return those ballots and, you know, with the exception of the minor hiccups you expect things are going well. what the first thing we are seeing which we have talked about for some time, nicole, you and i, is a mass effort by republicans to flood the courts with frivolous litigation to try to sew chaos. those there are a record number of lawsuits filed by republicans, there are also a record number of defeats, they have lost in pennsylvania, georgia and before that, michigan. they lost a case last week in nevada. they have lost cases throughout this country at an extraordinarily fast clip and it is proof that the courts are holding. so i worry about the -- to take -- to answer your question,

i worry about first and foremost they create a sense of disorder and chaos and threat, where people should have confidence in their ability to vote and their votes should be counted. >> i want to read for you, mark, the new piece of reporting from bart gellman in time magazine this morning, quote, one significant obstacle for trump if he tries as he did in 2020 to arrange for alternative electors in states he loses he would need active collaboration from a governor to throw out a vote. reforms give governors the power to decide which electors represent their states. five of the battleground states this year, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, north carolina, and arizona have democratic governors. just take me through what should give people hope and faith as we head into the final stretch. >> yes. so two things. first of all on that point the

ultimate certification document that goes from a state to the congress for the congress to then count on january 6th is what's called a certificate of ascertain tanment and it's signed by the government and not only have there been reforms and criminal prosecutions i think probably played a deterrent effect on republicans pulling the shenanigans again but the governors in these states are not election deniers. even brian kemp who i have disagreements with, he did his duty last time and signed the certificate of ascertainment. they talked about what he did on january 6th but he was not in the white house. we talked about what mike pence did that was right but it will believe kamala harris not mike pence who we will not have to worry about with any kind of false certification so those are all good news.

the other thing that people need to realize is there are teams of lawyers, myself being one of them but only one of many who are right now in court protecting your voting rights we are prepared to protect an accurate count in the post election. we are prepared as we did in 2020 to fight dozens of lawsuits that donald trump may throw at us and make sure they are all defeated so in the end every lawful ballot is counted and accurate results are certified. it may not always be pretty day-to-day in what the news is reporting but i promise you those fights will take place and we will win. >> so we dealt with the legal, we dealt with the state houses. let's deal with the intangible piece. what is happening and what people are doing is the threat to purge rolls would mean a vote would not necessarily be legal and that scares people.

we talked about the republicans overt voter suppression efforts and the more subversive ones. >> you and i talked about it months ago they had a three part plan one to make it harder to vote, second challenge voters and third harass election officials and monkey with certification. we've seen the voter suppression efforts those have been in court and elsewhere and seeing the second part about the efforts to challenge voters. there are different ways to do that, one they can purge them from the rolls the other is they can try to challenge them in mass list. but they are losing case after case after case. the state of texas and florida are going to federal court right now to try to force the federal government into helping their purge efforts. they're going to lose those cases. the department of justice sued alabama and alabama lost that case. the department of justice sued virginia and virginia is going

to lose that case. the fact is the events by republicans to purge and challenge voters are going to fail. what we cannot have people is worry that their vote won't count because the sinnics want you to think that your vote won't count. i'm here to tell you, they are wrong. if you show up to vote and you're properly registered you'll be allowed to vote and there will be people fighting to make sure it's counted. >> i think it's important to speak to that anxiety that people have. it's one of their tools. every study of autocracy deals with how they weaponize helplessness, anxiety and despair. so it's a great thing to hear from you after all these years. i want to also ask you to take us through election night. we won't deal with a hypothetical. let's deal with what happened already. in 2020 some of the things that

came in first allowed trump to lie about the outcome while it looked good for him. we live in a post january 6th world so the violence isn't hypothetical either. those people may have believed the things that donald trump irresponsibly claimed early on election night and carried out acts of violence against cops and law enforcement officials on his behalf. take me through the stages of a possible election night this time. >> yeah. so the first thing to recognize is that we never really know the results on election night. i remember being up till the very early hours in 2004 waiting for ohio returns. obviously in 2016 it was very, very late until we got the full returns. and in 2020 it took longer because of the increased use of mail in voting, ballots get

counted slower. but the next thing is what you get at, donald trump is a liar. and one of the things the networks are careful about is the opportunity to give candidates a case before the state is called but donald trump is a different kind of candidate donald trump is going to lie about the election results. donald trump lied about the election results in 2016 after he won by claiming he secretly won california. he lied about the election results in 2020, of course he's going to lie about the election results in 2024 so we're not likely going to know the outcome of the election on tuesday night. it will be wednesday into thursday as those ballots are counted as networks do their due diligence to not prematurely call the election we saw it in 2000 where networks did that. but people should not believe that what donald trump says the day after the election is any

more accurate than today. it's going to be just as much nonsense then. don't pay attention to it. >> you mentioned the california lie this is something that vaughn hillyard reported on this show earlier this week. he said 30 of 50 trump supporters believe his lie about winning california and a state he lost by 5 million votes. what is your degree of concern about how susceptible and accepting of his lies trump's supporters are. >> i'm very worried about that. donald trump has lied to his supporters now for four years about the outcome of the 2020 election. it has become an article of faith within the republican party that every elected official has to lie to their voters. it's the one thing that jd vance could not wiggle around. at the end of the day, donald trump could forgive jd vance for

anything but not telling the truth about 2020. that's a big problem. there's a segment of the population that's become accustomed to believing the big lie and is susceptible to hearing further lies. all we can do is create transparency and truth. i created democracy docket in 2020 as a place to place these proceedings so ordinary americans could go and read the court cases for themselves so they would not read the lies they are told. you do a tremendous job every day of telling people the truth, giving them the facts. but we have to be realistic donald trump is going to lie to his supporters and a lot of them are going to believe it. let's hope when we get back the election and into next year maybe the republican party will start to reckon with the fact they built their party on author tear michigan, on a lie they're

building around his statement of hitler and his generals. >> i think we learned from the dominion lawsuit there was an effort to get fox anchors to come out and issue a statement acknowledging trump's defeat. that they didn't cost them almost $1 billion because of the lies peddled and published about the voting systems were lies that they were found liable for airing. i have, on some good authority, that laura ingram is watching right now. what can fox do to protect democracy on election night? >> what i say to laura is, you know better. you know better than what you are spewing. i understand the commercial interest that fox has. i understand the pressures that are brought to bear on these hosts. but honestly you have agency to do the right thing and every day that you and the other hosts go on tv and lie to your audience

and sow doubt and chaos when it is crystal clear to you and everybody else what the truth is, shame on you for that. so fox news, you know, they paid a big civil judgment because of some of those lies but only because of some of those lies. the number of lies that they have told about democracy and the damage they have done is almost incal can youable at this point. i don't hold out hope that she or any other fox news host will act responsibly. >> i always hold out hope. i held out hope when the kelly story broke that people i knew would say finally a red line we can't cross we can't disparage a man who gave his life to the united states military, his own son died serving in the military and afghanistan, things we hold ourselves out as respecting and revering. but i have, to your point been

disappointed and let down too many times. your thoughts on the state of the race as someone who's worked for the vice president kamala harris for a long time. >> i'd rather be kamala harris than donald trump right now. the fact of the matter is, david has made this point for weeks. donald trump is going to consolidate his support to 48. that's just baked into the cake. but he has no room to grow. she is running a campaign of inclusion, of growth. look at who she has been campaigning with. she campaigned with liz cheney. she has campaigned with a number of prominent progressives. the coalition she has put together is a winning coalition. it's a coalition that can get above 50%. donald trump can only get to 48%. which is the reason why, and everyone needs to listen to this, it's the reason why he keeps saying don't worry about get out the vote just worry about suppressing the vote because he knows his only chance is to keep voting totals down

because he cannot grow his coalition. so everybody listening to this please make sure you're registered to vote, have a plan to vote and vote. don't let donald trump convince you your vote doesn't matter he wants you to think that. >> mark elias it's great to have you for a big chunk of time. thank you so much for starting us off today. >> thank you. when we come back, a nightmare scenario, a mailbox set on fire in phoenix, arizona damaging an unknown number of ballots. plus the warning from former trump white house chief of staff, general john kelly that trump meets the definition of a fascist could be starting to move more republicans towards vice president kamala harris. today she picked up the endorsements of three high profile republicans in key swing states and with 12 days to go. the vice president is headed to a state, democrats have dreamed

of flipping. why she's taking her message of protecting reproductive freedom and rights to texas. and breaking news, just moments ago in one of the most sensational murder trials of the 1990s, the district attorney for los angeles county is recommending resentencing for lyle and eric menendez, the brothers who killed their parents in 1989. at the time of their trial they alleged they had been molested by their father but their claims were met with skepticism and they were convicted and sentenced to life without parole in 1996. now the claims are seen by the district attorney as credible enough to warrant reconsideration. it could make the brothers eligible for parole immediately but ultimately that decision will be made by a judge. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break don't go anywhere. ick break don't go anywhere.

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this morning in phoenix, arizona just after 1:00 a.m. local time someone set a fire to a u.s. postal service mailbox. that city's mayor today suggested a number of ballots, as many as 20 had been damaged or destroyed but the voters have been notified and the suspect has been arrested. what can you tell us about this incident and your concern about things like this? >> this appears to be a one-off kind of strange individual who was trying to bring attention to himself. so it doesn't seem like it was politically motivated but i think it is indicative of how on

edge everything is here in arizona and so we fortunately remedied the situation we encourage people to track their mail ballot online to make sure it gets to us safely. in this instance police responded quickly and hopefully people will think twice before doing something like this in the future. >> we tried to have some time to talk to you after we saw these comments on 60 minutes. i'm going to play them for our viewers. >> i have seen some ugliness in the character of human beings. it has given me great insight into horrific moments of human history. i would look at these historical moments and say well, that couldn't happen here. but moments like these begin to give you incite on how stuff like that can build up. how the animal passions, how going along with the crowd, how the emotions of just being your side versus their side. it's just to say that some of

the same human impulses that i didn't understand, i now do understand. >> you understood how things can go wrong? >> i understand how society of educated people can do something truly horrible. >> it's perhaps the most haunting articulation i've heard of this moment. when you said everyone is edge i think that's universal. i think if you can take me inside that wisdom informs your thinking the next two weeks. >> i was having a nice day until i heard myself say that. >> sorry. >> i appreciate that. >> i'm sorry. >> the election is going well so we're happy about that. but it's true. over the past three and a half years the things that i've seen justified by people i respect. the things that i've seen done to us that have been pardoned for various reasons. the things that i've seen people put their political policy

preferences ahead of. it's just astonishing and it knows no limit and i see how as a factual driven society we can discern facts, was the 2020 election stolestolen? it wasn't. people will go along with it in order to either advance their own personal interests, whether they be financial or political. or whether just because they care about something else to them in the moment seems more compelling. and so, really this was just something that i would have thought couldn't possible happen, almost dystopian. but i've gleaned an understanding of. >> i think what you're getting at are the enablers of the lies about fraud. what i've never been able to understand and wonder how you rumble with this is all of the

house allies and amply -- amply flyers of trump's voter fraud, their names were on the ballots. so it's not that the ballots were corrupted or dumped or flipped but only the line that would have chosen trump was flipped. for people that are still open to understanding how vote fraud is very rare, doesn't happen and as bill bar said didn't affect the outcome of the 2020 election, what's sort of the basic education that you offer people? >> i think on that particular point and in all the claims surrounding dominion which you discussed in your last segment, the main thing to know in arizona we use 100% paper ballots hand marked by humans. if you except the vote switching

theories and the hacking ideas and the electronic files deleted you still have an awe auditable paper trail to go back to and in arizona we do. we do an audit after the election to make sure the machines didn't mess up, there was no vote switching. so it's not rational. it's never been rational. ann apple balm said the last rational it is the more it serves its purpose then you show your fidelity to the movement is more important than even your basic sort of human instincts of rational processing. so that's alarming to me and certain the static nature of the claims, even in light of the evidence put forward on the other side is certainly -- lends its to ms. applebaum's theory.

>> and to bring that to the local and the here and now, you described arizona as on edge. are you scared? >> i'm not scared, but that's because of the measures that we have taken. tens of millions of dollars have gone into securing maricopa county's elections. if you came down to our facility, you would see that sheriff's deputies, you would see the fencing, you would see the gates, you would see the badge access, the cameras, the security personnel and that's because this county is absolutely committed to making sure that our ballots are safe, our voters are safe, and our workers are safe. but never would we have thought eight years ago, ten years ago this would have been a proposition in the many, many millions of dollars. and that i think is certainly an indictment of where we're at in the conversation. >> where do you assign the blame for that necessary precaution? >> i don't assign it to

individual errors on consumers who are confused by all the things that they see on social media or hear in the news. i assign the blame on the leaders. on the people who have platforms, the people who have access to all the information they could possibly want and the people who say, i'm willing to go along with this or i'm even willing to indulge it a little bit because it's good for my particular ends. and i'm here to tell you there are real downstream effects that have impact on the real lives of human beings working in this process, participating in this process or even posting social media messages about this. we had five people arrested recently for threats they have made to maricopa county elections or me. those people will spend two years in jail, three years in jail, this is destroying real lives because leaders haven't had the wherewithal to bite the bullet and say you know what, it stinks but we lost and that's

all there is to be said. >> steven your work and the work of your staff there and everyone involved is nothing short of heroic in these, as you said, rather dystopian times. thank you very much for taking time to talk to us. >> appreciate it. happy voting! >> exactly. go vote. and if you want more on this, all the fast developing legal stories we're covering ahead of election day sign up for the newsletter, scan the qr code on your screen and receive a news letter every friday. and one day after john kelly warned that donald trump is a fascist, kamala harris is picking up endorsements from three key republican officials. m three key republican officials ♪♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪

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i probably should have done this sooner. but there was concern, you know, about blow back and public safety and all that. so i'm going to be ready for that. and i really think it's -- this is the -- the most important -- one of the most important things i've done. and hopefully people will accept that, and listen to me, those that have trusted me, trump has to be defeated.

and we have to protect the constitution. >> what's remarkable about what you just heard was that was republican state senator robert cowles the longest serving member of the senate, 37 years serving in the state senate of wisconsin has never, ever supported a democratic candidate for president. but he is backing vice president kamala harris and making that forceful endorsement because he says this, quote, i believe this guy trump is a totalitarian and very much a fascist. it's yet another stunning republican endorsement for vice president harris and it comes we don't know fit's causal, but it comes in the immediate aftermath of the dire warning from general john kelly. donald trump's longest serving chief of staff that donald trump would indeed govern like a dictator. also this week, former michigan

republican, fred upton said he already voted for vice president kamala harris. upton who was at the united states capital on january 6th said this, trump is unfit to serve as commander in chief again. there also mayor sean riley of wisconsin. the fox affiliate in milwaukee reports he left the republican party on january 6th and the harris campaign said this is his first endorsement ever of a democrat for president. watch. >> i also feel in my heart that this is something i need to come out and say. i am going to be voting for vice president harris to become our next president. i am terrified of donald trump becoming our next president for all the reasons i've indicated. he is -- he's -- he's already been impeached twice, been convicted of felonies. and this is not what the united states needs.

>> coalition of the decent. joining our conversation washington bureau chief and white house correspondent, april ryan is back and here with me at the table, aisha mills is here. april ryan we've known each other a long time in politics. >> yes. >> i feel like we're all doing our best but staring at the trees and missing the forest. what vice president kamala harris has assembled in very short order is a stunningly, idealogically diverse coalition of people who aren't just telling their friends and family they're going to the ballot box and doing their things but coming out and explaining why. they're not just rejecting trump but backing her. what do you think? >> i can't help but think about that first piece that you played from cowles he sounded fearful but fought through his fear to

say i'm voting for her and why. there are things staring in our face, the forest for the trees if you will, that people are not understanding. you do not talk about hitler, that's a third rail, okay. you do not tell the -- our jewish american brothers and sisters, if i lose, it'll be your fault. he's sending a signal to people to go after the jewish community. what's the difference in doing this and talking about hitler than being an apartheid supporter, there's no difference. if donald trump becomes president and this is what the republicans are seeing as well as the democrats supporting kamala harris he will be a dictator and there will be a loyalty test. if you do not pass the test you may be jailed or worse. he may not do it but his minions will. this is a moment the democracy is in peril. it's shaking. and we've known each other a long time, you're right, nicole, but one thing that stands out is

when barack obama ran for office and then president george w. bush, i'll never forget that day when barack obama won, the next day i was standing outside waiting for him to come out and make that speech coming out of the oval office, he was walking around, i don't know what was going on but he saw me and went like this. this is that moment of hope and change. that moment people are looking for to save the nation, to move forward as what was known as the great american melting pot. not this totalitarianism and the dictatorship wannabe coming back to the oval office possibly. >> i think what's amazing about what april brought us through at the end of the democracy is hope and change, we can do it. election day is almost two weeks away and i -- you know, i worked on campaigns so i -- i can sort of analyze a campaign and it's

been perfect, it's been flawless. the ads are quick. the responses rapid. the vice president is a stunningly disciplined and empathic candidate. i mean, what she did at the cnn town hall was to field questions as the only person running for president who had enough respect for the voters of the country to show up. she's running it against wasn't even there. that was his giant fu to voters trump didn't show. she shows up, fields the questions from the undecided voters and from anderson cooper. when it ends she stayed in the room. i think she went first to the woman who said she lost her husband. the cameras left before she had left. before vice president harris had left that one voter. she was reported to be in the room for a long time. what's your sense of the disconnect between what's happening on the campaign and the angst a lot of people feel? >> the angst that people feel i

think we're all afraid. we're all afraid and we're seeing the republicans start to articulate this. we're afraid that we're going to lose life and society and our democracy as we know it. and this isn't some existential narrative and conversation or assumption about these big ideas that the regular average person can't quite fathom for those of us inside politics that we talk about. this is real life. how does society change, right, as a human, what we know to be true is that these republicans who are saying i don't agree with all of kamala harris' policy proposals. let's be real we have different ideologies but i am concerned about a dictator taking over the united states and to have healthy debate where we fight but come to some common ground. the common ground in this election is a preservation of the type of connectedness that

we all know america strives to have, it is imperfect. we -- the entire democratic experiment is every single year we're doing our best to get closer to the sense, you know, of the bigger vision of the melting pot that april was talking about. and donald trump will end that he said it time and time again. that i think is what makes us anxious. the fact that if he wins we could completely lose the opportunity to continue to perfect the nation. right. we're not going to agree about how to do it all the time but at least we get to be in the arena. if donald trump takes over we're not going to be in the arena anymore. that is the thing that made me fearful. what makes mes hopeful though is that so many people believe in america. in a patriotic sense in the way that our government is the best

in a way that strives to be pa tis pa our. and that sense of americanness is what people are rallying behind and that's the thing that makes me hopeful. chbl when we come back, vice president harris is headed to texas, pushing her message of expanding access to abortion care in a state with one of the most brutal and strictest and damaging bans. we'll bring you that story next. we'll bring you that story next.

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tomorrow, focused on abortion rights. vice president kamala harris released a powerful new ad showing what women in texas have been forced to endure once their reproductive freedom is taken away. a warning, it is graphic. but watch. >> her blanket. >> first of all, i'm the one that got rid of roe v. wade. >> you believe in punishment for abortion. >> there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yes. >> women will be happy, confident and free. you will no longer be thinking about abortion. that's all they talk about, abortion. you will no longer be abandoned,

lonely or scared. you will no longer have anxiety. you will be protected and i will be your protector. >> we're back with april and aisha. this conversation has never been what it is now because i think in your most grief stricken moment when you've lost a pregnancy you desperately want you can't imagine talking about it but i had the privilege of interviewing all of these women who have decided that the only way kind of beyond it is through it and to help bring other women through it with them. and as a result of their courage and being part of these conversations, republican women in kansas have rejected bans. bans have failed just about everywhere they've been on the ballot. and i wonder what you're looking

for april, in this very first presidential election post dobbs? >>, you know, first of all, let me just pause and say that that ad was very graphic but it also left me as a woman as a mother of two daughters with something. kamala harris is saying if she wins as president she is going to fight for the reproductive rights and try to overturn or try to fix some of the damage that was done from the supreme court in this decision. but in this mother. it's about the mother's life as well. and as people, i've heard this so many times, and it's so true. you worry about the baby's life. what about the mother's life as well? and that's a piece of this whole. that is a large part of this whole thing. what if a woman hemorrhages and a doctor doesn't want to deal with her if she's in one of those states, like texas, that

has -- or georgia or alabama -- that has some of these strict abortion rules? what happens then to the mother's life? and so kamala harris is really trying to deal with that and change the fact because there are so many women who had to deal with life and death scenarios in their face after they've had issues with the miscarriage, a baby, a life they were looking for. then they have to worry about their lives. so, this is -- it's so much more intricate than just life of the fetus. it's life of the mother. it's the wherewithal of the family, keeping a family together. and if kamala harris is elected, i do believe that this will be one of her markets. as you know, this is one of the biggest issues not just for democrats but also for republicans. the vast majority wanted to see roe v. wade stand. and they overturned it. as donald trump said, he overturned roe v. wade. >> you get the last word. >> i think that this election is

also going to be really give us a sense of what modern day feminism looks like because there are so many conservative women who -- white women especially -- that generally come out and support the republican presidential candidate. and we always say, as democrats, oh, my goodness, can we peel those women off. they care deeply about bodily autonomy. they care about abortion because it means something further in terms of men controlling them. to hear that overlay of donald trump talking about he's going to protect them and you're not going to have anxiety, you're not going to have to worry, i wonder if there will be a rejection of that kind of patriarchy. when you have j.d. vance and donald trump walking around with this antiquated notion of who little women are supposed to be and how they're supposed to be subservient to men, i think this is an opportunity to see how even those conservative women are going to start to rebuff that. we'll see how it plays out.

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