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this campaign, vice president kamala harris is pulling out all of the stop ins the swing state of georgia. >> which way is our country going to go from here? >> you already know what time it is. we don't have a moment to lose. you want to stop that other guy. i don't call him by his name. i call him agent orange. >> she is running to be the 47th president of the united states. donald trump is running to be an american tyrant. >> i have watched him from the central park five to project 2025. and what i realize is that in this donald trump america, there is no dream that looks like me. >> those celebrities were just the warmup act for harris'

number one surrogate, former president barack obama. the 44th president used his time to make sure voters had heard this week's bomb shell news that donald trump's former top aide is on the record condemning him in the strongest possible terms. >> the other day general john kelly, donald trump's former chief of staff said that trump told him he wanted his general to be like hitler's generals. now, don't boo. vote. a good rule of thumb is don't say you want to do anything like hitler. and john kelly isn't the only one saying this. two of his defense secretaries, people who work for him said the same thing. we do not need four years of a

wannabe king, dictator running around trying to punish his enemies. that's not what you need in your life. america is ready to turn the page. we are ready for a better story. georgia, we are ready for a president kamala harris. >> and that was sort of the theme of tonight's rally. amid all the joy and laughter, there was a serious message about the danger donald trump poses if he gets back in the white house. a man who looks to nazi germany for inspiration is allowed unchecked power saying especially to a recent supreme court ruling. vice president harris made it clear that is what is at stake here. >> as president, trump praised hitler. take a moment to think about what that means. that trump said quote hitler did some good things. and, that trump wished he had

generals like hitler's who would be loyal to trump and not to america's constitution. this is not 2016 and it is not 2020. 12 days left in one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime and i don't need to tell you voting has already started. and everybody here knows it will be a tight race until the very end. so we have a lot of work ahead of us. but we like hard work. hard work is good work! hard work is joyful work. and make no mistake, we will win. we will win. we will win. >> joining me now is my friend and league joy reid. joy, thank you for pulling double duty my friend. i'm so eager to hear your thoughts about this rally that

we heard tonight. admittedly some of the lines we have heard before. there was some new material, too. i thought harris was as electrifying and excited as she has been in the course of this pam campaign but i wonder what you make of the careful calibrations she and barack obama made as characterizing donald trump as an aging grifter worthy of derision and laughter on one hand but also a.looming threat to democracy. how did you feel about it? >> well, i will tell you. i watched the leadup in the beginning of the kamala harris speech and the obama speech. sitting next to olympia johnson. she worked in obama's 2008 campaign. one of the things we both noted is there is nothing more delightful than barack obama's delight at his own performance. like he enjoys himself so much.

he is so back in the groove. and his stump speech he has rolled out informing people about the hitler love that we have now heard john kelly report regarding the former president. i think he was completely in his game. he is in his elementment one wonders if he had been called to the sherry beasley campaign in north carolina what difference could he have made there. so it is a good thing to have these political phenomenons together. it is a cultural moment to have the first black president there to send up what could be the first asian american, black, and woman president was something that is pretty culturally incredible to see. but yes. i think the purpose of these speeches, particularly in a place like georgia that is already voting, in addition to the obvious entertainment value of having a tyler perry and a spike lee and a samuel l.

jackson and a bruce springstein there to rally and rally up the crowd is also to get to voters who don't necessarily watch us. there are voters who exist in the universe of pop culture who may not have heard that donald trump's chief of staff said he liked hitter and he would like to rule like hitler. so the important thing going into these early voting states is to get that sound byte in front of people who are not only physically there, but also the local news. to force that information outside of the msnbc, cnn universe to force it into even people who might get some of their information from fox. they are getting this

information out. making sure people know what donald trump is at the same time leaning into their advantage in terms of the culture. one of the best lines tonight was actually from tyler perry who talked about america as a quilt. that's the america we want. what we don't want is a candidate that sees america as a sheet. powerful words from tyler perry. so i think tonight it was important culturally and socially as well. >> the tyler perry metaphor. when you think of white sheets what do you think of? especially in georgia. when you talk about barack obama and his joy on the campaign trail, he is doing something he did not do as far as i can recall in previous election cycles which is reminding people of the economy he gave republicans and donald

trump the pandemic play book. likely given trump's mismanagement of the covid-19 pandemic would have potentially saved many american lives. he did that tonight, too. let's take a listen. >> when i was president, we put together an entire play book for how to deal with a pandemic and when donald trump came in, we gave him that play book. and i guess he dropped it in the dust bin. some folks would be like well, donald trump sent me a check. joe biden sent you a check. during the pandemic. we didn't put our name on it because it wasn't about feeding our egos. it wasn't about advancing our politics. it was about helping people. that's the difference. why would you think about voting for this guy? well i remember the economy

when he first came in was pretty good. yeah. that was good because it was my economy. 75 straight months of job growth were handed over to donald trump and all he did was give tax coat cuts to folks who didn't need it, drive up the deficit. now he wants to do it again. you can't give him credit for that. >> this was so overdue. this is so important. i wish someone, it is great to have obama make the case, but honestly, democrats should have been saying this for months now. >> one of my favorite follows on the instagram, democrats have been terrible ago bragging about the stuff they had done. democrats are about putting

their heads down and doing the work. and not because they don't want to be about ego. they just believe in doing the work. america wants the entertainment. they want to know what you are doing. here is the reality. donald trump did one really smart political move. he stuck his name above the treasury secretary's name on the checks he didn't give. as barack obama said, that was joe biden. and nancy pelosi who gave out those checks. but so many low information voters are voting based on those stimy checks and talking to working class voters of color who will tell don lemon when he is interviewing them on the street they are voting

based on that. they need to break that information log jam and get people to understand. trump was golfing while president obama's economy was cooking. he had time to play golf because he didn't do much as president except squander all of the baaty barack obama left him by giving it to billionaires like elon musk who are now funding him to keep the tax cut. this is key information. those are the clips that the kamala harris tim walz campaign want clipped and socialized so people can get out of this lie that donald trump had a great economy. no, president obama did. handed it to this man who squandered it. and then messed up covid. and then ended the great economy and plunged us into a

recession. then the cleanup man biden and his coconspirator and cleanup woman kamala harris had to fix. >> i will say the democrats management of the american economy is not just a good thing in the past, it is regardless of what the polling tells you, biden has managed this american economy in a fashion that is unprecedented. i was told today that the median american income is the highest it had been in modern american history. that doesn't account for inflation. but that is what is real. that's what's happening now. i don't know. is joe biden going to have to go on the campaign trail in the next election cycle to remind people of that? let's hope not. joy reid, host of the reid out. it is a thrill and a joy to see you twice in a day. >> thank you my friend. appreciate you. we have a lot to get to. former first lady michelle obama joins the 30 million americans who have cast an

early ballot. we will dig into what early voting numbers tell us about that race. and later tucker carlson takes trump's daddy fantasies to a darker place if that is possible. do not go away. ot go away.

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mail in ballot today early turn- out is so high it has broken records. with polling basically frozen, can these early vote numbers tell us anything about where this race might be headed? joining me now are two people who might be able to answer that question. the cohost of pod save america. author of the message box newsletter. and simon rosenburg. author of the hope chronicles. it is great to have you here to disabuse me of notions. i would love you guys to weigh in on this. the early voting numbers in nevada, in arizona, in georgia, republicans are out pacing, democratic registrants in the early vote.

in north carolina it is effectively a tie. i'm told by some analysts these are voters who were maybe going to vote anyway. so it doesn't predict anything on election day. do you read anything into republican motivation other than trump's taboo against early voting has seemingly evaporated? >> i would not read too much into these. people have gotten a lot of elections gone. reading into the early vote early in the process. what we are seeing is that republicans are now voting early. what they are telling me is these are primarily people who were going to vote on election day anyway. we are not seeing evidence a bunch of less likely republican voters are turning out as part of the early vote. it is just how people vote is changing in this country. which is why turnout is so high. and i think the democrats are doing well. we have to learn more about the makeup of these voters. but don't read too much into it. don't celebrate. don't panic. it is a black box for most

people. >> a black box is not a great place. i don't like. who wants to be in a black box? i will say at the risk of being overly calm. republican registrations are higher. they are going up. democratic ones are going down in certain battleground states like pennsylvania. early vote is more toward republicans in certain battleground states. though not all. i'm assuming you are not reading too much into this. >> to go into what you were saying in the beginning. the polling has been steady and consistent now for six weeks since the debate happened. we had confirmation this week in the national polling that in the non-red wave polls, the independent polls they have stayed very steady. kamala harris has a modest lead nationally. is in better shape in the battlegrounds. and what we all believed is going to happen in these final

few weeks. was that our ground advantage, the fact we are putting more ads up in the air, the fact that the spectacle they are creating every day which you guys just talked about is far more appealing and interesting and compelling than what the other team is doing. we expected that we would be moving the election toward us. that we would take a close election and go out and win it. and i think in the last few days, as dan pointed out, we are getting deeper into the early vote. so we are starting to understand more about the patterns. things are getting better which we would expect. far better and more appealing candidate as well. as trump is ending in a messy way. not in a powerful way. so i'm encouraged. because it is exactly what would happen if we are going to win. which is that things are going to get marginally better a

little bit every day. and we go in with more momentum. you are starting to see the impact i think of our stronger campaign on the ground. moving the vote toward us. in the last few day ins particular. >> it bears mentioning. i think that the stakes are way too high. i think the concern is based on an influx of republicans decidedly republican polls that have basically flooded the zone and on the margins nudging up the national polling or the polling averages. i stopped looking at polls because they seem to be frozen. what difference does that make

except for the narratives? you have talked about what it does to establish a predicate. anything less than a victory is a stolen election. can you talk a little more about that? yeah. i don't worry much about the media narratives. the fundamental danger so often is they create an impression among the republican base that trump was going to win and it was an easy win. if anything other than that happens it is some sort of malfeasance. this is what happened in 2020. it becomes the thing trump will wave around on election night when the race is called for kamala harris to say it was stolen and begin the process of

the big lie 2.0. insurrection 2.0. it is important we push back on that and try to win this by as much as we can to make it as hard a case as possible. >> when we talk about lies and disinformation, i want to bring everybody's attention to breaking news from the wall street journal. they are reporting that trump surrogate, the guy literally running trump's ground operation, his grass roots out reach, elon musk, has had secret conversations with vladimir putin, numerous ones since 2022. simon, president obama spent a lot of time talking about the danger that trump poses in a second term. kamala harris talks about it as well. we now have john kelly out there saying he would be a fascist in a second term. we now have reporting that the guy that is run of his close advisers funding a lot of the trump campaign is in touch with america's greatest geo

political adversary. do you have a reaction to that and will that move anyone? >> i want to say one thing about what dan said. they wouldn't be dropping more than 80 polls. 31 different organizations if they thought they were winning the election. this is really important to understand that they are trying to shape the media narrative because it actually isn't going in the direction they want. they have had to invest in all this. it is a sign of weakness, not strength. the role of elon, there was a graphic put out after the convention. on the gop twitter feed. it was musk. robert kennedy, tulsi gabbard. the people most aligned with the russian wing of the republican party all in one star wars bar graphic that they used all the time. it is amazing how many of the people they are pushing forward

have such direct ties to russia. we know elon does. he is the most important pro russian propagandist. he does more business with communist china. very few people in the business world where americans spend as much time with foreign hostile governments as elon musk does. this is really important i think this comes out. that he has been pumping out this rancid pro russian propaganda without any penalty has been not okay. the influence of the republican party, the way the russians have penetrated the republican party is a major issue. >> we'll have more on that as we get more details. dan and simon, thank you guys so much for helping me navigate

this uncertain time. i appreciate your patience and wisdom. >> thank you so much alex. coming up, tucker carlson says donald trump is the daddy who will come home to give america a spanking. i'm not even, i'm not making that metaphor up. that's really happening. we'll talk about that next. we'll talk about that next.

we are a dumping ground.

we're like a garbage can. it's the first time i ever said that. >> when he is not dancing to the village people's ymca or bopping to ave maria. when he is at a campaign event, he makes it very clear. he is fed up and you should be too. he believes democrats have turned america into a garbage can. his remarks in a rally in duluth, georgia hosted by a conservative group had the same script. that kamala harris will destroy the country. what was different about last night is just before trump took the stage, his warmup act was disgraced conservative tv personality tucker carlson who revved up the crowd with an extraordinarily heavy handed miscegenist violent and kind of

pervy speech that presented donald trump as america's daddy. >> there has to be a point at which dad comes home. yeah. that's right. dad comes home. >> okay, donald trump has been referring to himself as america's father figure for a while now. at a fox town hall for women last week, he called himself the father of ivf despite not knowing what ivf is. at a rally in pennsylvania, he assured women he will be their protector. this daddy complex is enough of a regular feature at trump rallies that they now sell daddy tee shirts at his rallies and online. but tucker, tucker carlson took it to a whole new level last night.

in his speech, daddy wasn't just going to protect the women. he was going to punish the errant children in this case democrats and liberals and the one running against daddy for the presidency of the united states. >> kamala harris shouldn't have a job! she has no skills! how did she wind up at the top of the pyramid? and once she is there she lectures you like you did something. it's too much. the second reason you can't allow it is very familiar to anyone who has children. which is if you allow it you will encourage more of it. if you allow your hormone addled 15-year-old daughter to slam the door of her bedroom and give you the finger it you will get more of it. it's not good for you or them. no. there has to be a point at which dad comes home. you've been a bad girl. you have been a bad little girl and you are getting a vigorous spanking right now.

and no. it will not hurt me more than it hurts you. i'm not going to lie. it will hurt you a lot more than it hurts me. and you earned this. you are getting a vigorous spanking because you have been a bad girl. you will only get better when you take responsible for what you did. said in the spirit of justice. the purest and best thing there is. >> if you are wondering how that creepy, violent diatribe on the purest form of justice went over? this is how the crowd greeted trump afterwards. >> daddy don! >> daddy don. the problem for kamala harris and anyone who is disturbed by the notion of daddy don as america's spanker in chief, the problem is that message is resonating.

far outside of that room in georgia as harris and the democrats try to earn the votes of young men amid an exploding gender gap, many of those same men report feeling aggrieved and left behind on college campuses and in offices and in the housing market. and the trump campaign is turning those frustrations into a movement. defending the flag, catering to right wing influencers with male fans. and trump lackeys are pointing all of the grievances of that directly at kamala harris and november 5th. >> if they do all of that, they need to lose. at the end of all of it when they tell you they have won, no. you can look them straight in the face and say i'm sorry. dad's home. >> whether kamala harris wins on election day or not, tucker

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offered one of the ickiest comparisons, comparing donald trump to a daddy spanking a little girl. the donald trump campaign is embracing their daddy complex as they make their final pitch to male voters. joining me now are michelle goldberg, the new york times opinion columnist. and s y shakir: i imagine a cringe was in order when you first heard the reference to donald trump spanking a metaphorical little girl? >> not a metaphorical little girl. a metaphorical teenager. that is so sick, they take the s and m undercurrent of maga and make it so explicit in a way that i find it revolting

but i don't think that it is only die hard liberal women who would find that revolting. part of me wishes they would cut an ad and just say this is what they think of you? >> men should find that as revolting as women. >> and just to go back to a few months, weird. right? this is like, not just weird, but kind of pathological. >> i got to ask you. because you were so deeply loved in the bernie sanders movement, you know, there was never a sense that wing of the democratic party was leaving men out. but there is a narrative that democrats are not effectively speaking to men. they were known as bernie bros. can you talk a little bit about any differences you see about the progressive wing of the party circa that moment and now? >> anger as an emotion in my view is justified. if people are angry, they have a right.

but who you are angry at? it is not a permission structure to be a jerk. we need a society to function. we don't say women are second class citizens and can't have access to birth control. we suggest spanking them and say you can't have no fault abortions. these are ideological structures of the right meant and intended to punish women, particularly women, but people with whom they disagree. they want to engage in punishment out of anger. our view on the progressive side has long been that the anger is justified. get angry at the right people and punish them. that is why we have gotten angry at corporate america. corporate america making your economic lives harder. that has more ability to attract and persuade people to the democratic circle. >> that is very sort of fact

based anger. but there is clearly a cultural element to this rage fomented by the trump campaign. when you look at how kamala harris has to look at this in the closing days, i don't know if there is any kind of play book for the woman who represents the end of the presidential patriarchy to soothe the hurt of male voters whose run at the presidency she is displacing. >> there is this growing gap between men and women. growing achievement gap, but also, just a relational gap. men and women increasingly can't relate. you see this in the breakdown of kind of dating, relationships. marriages. childbearing. there is this incredible alienation and which men feel left behind. the irony here is so much of

this hostility was jump started by trump's shock victory in 2016. that was what catalyzed the me too movement. women looked around and saw this self-confessed sexual assaulter had just become president and they couldn't do anything about it. they felt this tremendous rage and helplessness and started turning it against the abusers in their own circles. in their own industries. and there was a big cathartic explosion that both kind of shined a light on the scale of the abuse. but also left a lot of men unsure about what the new rules of relating to women were. and so, now some of them are going to vote for donald trump hoping to set it right. but donald trump, he cannot restore their lost status. he can only increase the

alienation. >> yeah. in terms of a play book democrats should be working from. the notion of intersectionalty is derided but that seems to be the only way to address the concerns that men have. >> i agree. and i think we can need to continue to make appeals to men. we can't just write them off. this is based on some degree of economic reality. working with your hands.

building back in america. this was the whole conception of industrial policy coming back. is that your value, your life. there is a future for you. being a plumber. it is also a lifestyle. it is freedom. it is aspiring to your best life. there is more we can do to make the appeal. it is to say we want you as young males in this movement. and we are thinking about you. and have a plan for you. >> this is where we feel the surrogate game is so critical in this. whether it is barack obama who in the last couple of days has been really targeting his message toward young men. tim walz was chosen. i think that it can't just be

about an identity based appeal. one of the things that really frightens me is that god forbid, donald trump wins, all this industrial policy that joe biden has gotten underway. he is going to reap the credit for it. all the jobs joe biden has created has not yet come online. but they are going to quite soon. >> i can't imagine what that will look like. maybe barack obama handing over a great economy to donald trump. >> i know. it's like ground hog's day. kn. it's like ground hog's day. and then donald trump -- sell it, democrats, so it. michelle and faiz, thank you both for your time.

when we come back, the inside story behind the trump administration's child separation policy and how it is being used on the campaign trail. next. n the campaign trail. next.

>> the immigration goddess. they took us to this place then told us that we are all going to be separated and then we started to cry. >> i don't want this to happen to other kids, and it's sad to see if it's going to happen again. >> the harris campaign earlier this month highlighted the stories of two brothers who were among the more than 5500 children forcibly separated from their families during the trump administration. today, nearly 1000 of those children have yet to be reunited with their families. donald trump is vowed to pursue even more extreme immigration policies if he is re-elected in just 12 days. joining me now is jacob so

rough, nbc news correspondent and one of the executive producers of "separated,", philip tells the story behind trumps family separations. i am thrilled to shine a light on this film and the issue which has not got enough attention as we talk so much about immigration. >> have to say, you have spoken so powerfully about it and so consistently and i'm grateful for that. >> it is a crisis. the film is so revelatory because you have voices of people from inside the trump administration sort of narrating for us the just wrenching decisions they have to make to do this. can you talk a little bit more about how it came together? >> i think we all have the same question, me what was happening in real time down to 2018 at the border after i wrote the book. you know, you sort of say how could the u.s. government do something that the george w. bush judge who stopped the

policy called it the most shameful chapter in our history. it was good called government sanctioned child abuse and physicians for human rights and made -- met to the united states definition of torture. how did the u.s. government do this so i wrote the book after recommended for us here at msnbc and then aaron read the book and said he shared some of the same questions that remained unanswered even after i did that reporting and so many other journals did reporting above and beyond what i could've ever done so we teamed up to make this movie to hopefully bring some of these questions out into the spotlight at this moment in time. >> can we play a little bit? can we play a little bit of the film? can we play the one about jonathan white was the deputy director of the office of immigrant resettlement talking about cruelty and guilt?

>> if you have children, you need only imagine your own child in a foreign country not speaking the language, with no apparent, with no money, not understanding how that society works, having been apprehended by federal immigration authorities. each of these children is your child in that situation. >> it is quite obvious from these interviews, jacob, it is been said so many times, but cruelty really was the point. >> yes and there is nobody better it sort of drawing out the essence of all of these people who were involved in the policy. errol calls them good

bureaucrats and bad bureaucrats. you have the people inside the health and human services who did everything they could, they warned everybody that they could that this policy was coming and it was happening and some of the same people donald trump is saner going to come back and run his department of homeland security, how there is immigration enforcement apparatus that you have people like scott lloyd inside who is the director of o rr, a political appointee constantly in touch with stephen miller as you see in the film basically doing the bidding of the administration and so we got here because of bipartisan, democratic and republican deterrence-based immigration policies. it is why donald trump was able to like that in institute family separation policy that tore apart 5500 children from their parents. the question is where do we go from here and of course, we know what donald trump wants to do. he wants to institute the greatest mass deportation program in the history of art

country which is family separation by another name. the democrats are also talking about another conservative turned back to immigration and that is why we want to talk about this. what is the future of immigration policy in this country? is it one based on a fair, orderly and humane system like the biden administration promised? right now the answer is certainly they are different policies. it is still a system based in deterrence. >> and the overton window on this has shifted far to the right, even the rhetoric around it. it is so essential for all of us as americans, as people who care about the compact of humanity, to remind ourselves of the sin committed in our name on to these children. it is an essential feeling. people are talking about wolverine versus deadpool. where is the film playing? this is the film you need to see. >> all over the country. we are playing in nine states before election day then we will have an airing here on msnbc afterward. >> thank you for everything you're doing. that is our show for this evening. now,