. right now on "ana cabrera reports" deep in the heart of texas. vice president harris and former president trump both stumping in the lone star state today, with just 11 days to go. trump's key interview there and why harris is spending this critical stretch in a red state. plus, the stunning gender gap among the youngest voters. what gen-z voters are saying about the issues. then, never happened. trump denying new reports he praised hitler in office. could those stories sway voters? later, will the menendez brothers go free? a potential resentencing after decades in prison. ♪♪ ♪♪

hello. happy friday. it's 10:00 eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm ana cabrera. kamala harris and donald trump take their last pitches to texas. not exactly a swing state. in the spotlight due to reproductive rights. vice president harris will highlight that issue at a rally in houston alongside beyonce. while trump will be in austin, texas, talking about his go-to issue, immigration. they'll both record major podcast interviews. harris with renee brown. trump with joe rogan. last night the vice president had bruce springsteen and samuel l. jackson revving up the crowd this georgia with president obama, highlighting this contrast with trump. >> just imagine the oval office in three months. picture it in your mind. it's either donald trump in

there stewing, stewing over his enemy's list, or me working for you, checking off my to-do list. >> meanwhile, around the same time trump was in arizona talking immigration and branding the u.s. this. >> we're a dumping ground. we're like a garbage can for the world. first time i've ever said garbage can, but it's an accurate description. >> nbc's yamiche alcindor is in houston covering the harris campaign while garrett haake is in houston covering trump. also, with us elise jordan. why is harris holding a rally in texas? >> reporter: good morning.

it's a good question. the harris campaign wants to hammer home the idea that texas is ground zero for the unfair and dangerous, they believe, consequences of abortion restrictions. there are a number of women here who say because this state had abortion restrictions their lives were put in danger. amanda was miscarrying and doctors waited until she had an infection to give her an abortion. she's going to say if you're living in pennsylvania or georgia or wisconsin, this could be your life if donald trump is re-elected to coincide with national messaging. they're not focusing on just people in texas. they've released a new ad. take a listen. >> for 54 years they were trying to get roe v. wade terminated, and i did it. >> he did it. >> it was devastated. >> he's bragging about the rights he stole from american women and trump is promising to

do more. >> in project 2025 they're restricting birth control. >> tracking pregnant women, enforcing a nationwide abortion ban. >> the government should get out of my business. >> stay out of my business. >> reporter: you heard a number of women in that ad, adding a mega star, beyonce. a number of sources are saying she's performing. it's interesting as we talk about during the voices of women to say this is the moment where you want someone like beyonce to bring all the different people in, her fans, people who are undecided to say this mega star, someone you love, is calling your attention not just that you should support vice president harris, but there are dangerous consequences. there's an interesting thing of whether or not or her husband jay-z is here. one other big thing the campaign is trying to do is include men

here. there's a gender gap showing up in polling. i'll be here covering the campaign and maybe bopping along to beyonce. >> an enviable position to be in today, that campaign event. garrett, trump has an event in texas, his will focus on border security and immigration. it's clear he's not moderating his rhetoric on this issue. what can we expect? >> reporter: yeah, no celebrities here in austin. we don't expect to see donald trump near downtown in the big blue dot that's austin. he's here to conduct this interview withrogan, part of trump's strategy to reach young male voters. he's adding remarks on immigration. it's not clear whether he'll take questions or just repeat what's become his increasingly dark rhetoric. you touched on some of it.

last night describing america as a garbage can for the world. he's talking about what he describes as migrant crime really since he launched his campaign. he's said publicly he thinks -- it's not going to be abortion. it's not going to be inflation or economy that decides the race. it's going to be immigration. that's the issue he wants to focus on here today. again, in a similar way to what the vice president is doing, using texas as a backdrop for a message he hopes will resonate nationally before he ends this day in michigan. >> yamiche alcindor, garrett haake, keep the coffee going. it's going to be a long day. thanks so much. elise, what do you see in this texas rally? what does it signal about the harris rally? >> it's a national move. it's not just about texas. it's about the press and publicity that comes out of having beyonce, willie nelson on the stage and having women who

have been impacted by the reversal of roe versus wade. that's a very powerful message. texas has been ground zero for women suffering horrific tragedies and having to deal with the aftermath of roe. she's going to be able to use that momentum and push that she's better for reproductive rights for women. >> all the star power with the vice president and surrogates going across the country for her, do surrogates like this matter? >> i think beyonce in texas is a -- >> can they make a difference? >> it's a pretty good one. at the end of the day every sliver matters. look at how the trump campaign is trying to peel away young men, black men, hispanic men to peel away from the democratic party. every voter on the margins -- it's a really close election. anyone you can get matters. >> doesn't seem like trump is trying to get the voters on the margins. he's not trying to broaden his appeal with comments like the

garbage can comment, right, where he's saying immigration is leading to the u.s. becoming the garbage can of the world. could that turn into a -- you know, one of those deplorable moments we saw with the hillary clinton campaign in 2016? >> trump has said similar comments a lot. one of the comments in 2016 from voters is we're living in third world america now. that's a frequent refrain from trump. he talks about how america has gone to a hell hole when he's not the president. it's not that different from his just doomsday fear rhetoric he's always had. i think it helps with the low propensity trump voters who he got to come out in 2016 and he didn't get in other elections. >> if immigration is what he wants to make it about, why aren't democrats highlighting the border apprehension numbers.

just last month there were fewer than 54,000. it's not been that low since august of 2020. that was when trump was president. could the harris campaign doing more to highlight that and going on offense? >> well, they are a little slow with the immigration issue, just as joe biden was perceived as being slow in not taking action until voters perceived immigration was completely out of control and had got to the point where trump could exploit it this summer. that's what i was hearing from voters. playing catch up isn't a desirable position to be in. yes, she can say it's getting better. at the end of the day, she has to work on the biden record of the executive orders that biden threw away when he took office. >> elise jordan, thank you so much. happy friday. i want to bring in harris campaign co-chair congresswoman jasmine crockett.

she's from texas. let's discuss what's happening in your home state. what do you hope voters take away from the harris campaign event? can beyonce get texas voters excited in a way no one else can? >> yes. so it's great to see you. i hope they definitely take away some good music. that's for sure. we have some of the best artists on this side. the issue is a really important issue. whether we're talking about those seeking ivf or those trying to expand their family or victims. it is important that we have this conversation. i think this entire campaign she's tried to keep it front and center. it's also important that we highlight that once we end up with a president harris, she has to be able to govern. we know there's a battleground to topple ted cruz right now in texas. she's going to need a senate

that actually wants to do something and move her agenda along. i think that this is a double whammy for us. hopefully this will be the little injection that colin allred needs to get him past ted cruz. >> you mentioned the close senate race, democrat colin allred trying to unseat ted cruz. what's making it so close? what about the presidential race, do you think vice president harris could pull off an upset? >> i think ted cruz is uniquely hated. i would hope that texas would reject donald trump the same way. the numbers are clear. ted cruz is going to struggle with an undervote. everything we see shows that. we know that when it was six years ago, he only won that seat back by 3 points. he struggled with an undervote then. colin allred has been aggressive with fundraising and he has a record he can run on and he's

willing to go toe to toe with ted cruz and call him out. i think there's a possibility. here's the reality, when ted cruz won the state of texas, we were 47th for voter turnout. we're seeing record numbers on voter turnout. if we can turn out, i believe that it is our -- it's a good day for colin allred and a good day for democracy as a whole in this country. if i have one thing to say, it's texas show up. they're afraid of your power. we know that it is a majority/minority state. more african americans live in the state of texas than any other state. if we show up and vote, we will get rid of ted cruz and he can permanently live in cancun. >> you've been on the campaign trail in texas and across the country trying to support democrats, including in battleground michigan. what are you hearing from voters in these final weeks? >> everybody is a little bit

nervous. we're seeing movement on the ground. at the end of the day we know the blue team is going to work for every single obstacle that have been thrown in the vice president's way. she decided she would meet that moment, if not exceed that moment. she has a deeper bench. people only show up for donald trump when it comes to the republican ticket. i have been all over. i'm currently sitting in georgia. i'll absolutely be in texas by this afternoon. i just got back from nebraska because we absolutely need that blue dot. we need to make sure that senator vargas becomes congressman vargas in the state of nebraska. i was with nicky bycinski in illinois. we have to take control of the house and we're fighting to make sure people understand there's only one team that's going to do the work to make sure your lives are better and we understand that nothing is perfect right

now and there's so much work to be done. we absolutely have an agenda instead of concepts of a plan or not being honest when we want to introduce project 2025 into your lives to wreak more havoc. >> quickly, i want your thoughts on what we heard from trump last night in arizona, another battleground, also a border state like texas. he focussed his message on immigration, saying the u.s. has become a garbage can for the world. what's your reaction to that? >> it's just not true and it's sickening. i hate that he plays on the fact that most people, unless you've been through the immigration system, don't understand how immigration works. when people talk to me about the price of food, one of the things i ask them is how many of your children are you raising to work on the farms. i get zero hands. i explain this is why we don't demonize people coming to our country to help us out

economically. if you want to understand how our food prices are so expensive, one of the reasons is we don't have the labor we need. i talked to the farmers as someone that serves on the ag committee. we look at how he's demoniing the haitians in springfield, ohio. they said, no, they've helped us out. we need that labor. there was a bipartisan bill that could have been passed, but it was donald trump that decided he wanted something to campaign on. do you want somebody that is going to play games with you or do you want somebody that's going to offer solutions regardless as to who is in the white house? that's the blue team. we're solution oriented. that's why he's taken so many rounds and taken credit for things like the stimulus checks that he ended up signing into law. it was the democrats in the house and senate that produced that legislation. it wasn't initiated by him. all he did was slow the checks

down because he wanted to put his name on it. democrats believe in governing no matter who is in the white house, unlike the republicans. if you want more of the same people that cannot get along with themselves, people that don't want to solve your problems, but instead point fingers, absolutely vote republican. if you want to move this country forward, you have a team in the harris/walz ticket. >> congresswoman jasmine crockett, thank you so much. >> thank you. with abortion on the ballot, just ahead i'll talk to one woman who was forced to flee texas to get the help she needed. plus, a new accuser steps forward with a new sexual assault allegation against donald trump. also, trump's response to general john kelly's comments about fascism and trump's alleged remarks regarding hitler.

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both the harris and trump campaign have gone all in. now a new poll shows half of voters aged 18 to 29 say they'll vote for vice president harris with 33% voting for donald trump. it shows a nation divided with gen-z women overwhelming going for harris, while the men are split. we talked to a group of student voters in battleground wisconsin. this could be a really influential and powerful voting block. what did you learn? >> it absolutely could. first, definitely that gender divide. there's a lot there. we'll unpack that. what i heard from students is they're ready for this election to be over. they're feeling anxious about it. they're getting the political advertisements constantly whether on the television or in this mailbox. there's a true gender divide when it comes to the head to head number and the issues.

>> yeah, i've been knocking 30 hours a week. >> reporter: in green bay, levi has been pounding the pavement for donald trump. >> i like his policies. >> reporter: according to a nbc news poll of 18 to 29-year-olds, he's in the minor. half support kamala harris while one third support trump. when you break it down by gender, there's a divide. young women say they'll vote for harris over trump by a 33-point margin. young men are virtually evenly split. >> are you feeling like from the people that you talk to, from being on your college campus that people are moving more conservative? >> i do in general. i know definitely young men are moving in a conservative direction massively. >> reporter: both genders say cost of living is their top issue. while women raised abortion next, men said threats to

democracy. >> is there one singular issue that's the most motivating to people your age? >> for me and the people i surround myself with, it's definitely reproductive rights. >> reporter: one of the starkest findings, 77% of young voters believe the country is on the wrong track, up 10 points from august. >> i feel like we're moving in the incorrect direction. our country has become very divided. i was at a funeral a couple months ago -- you're at a funeral. people can't stop talking about politics. it shouldn't be happening. >> reporter: this 18-year-old sees it differently. >> i believe we're at a stalemate. it can get better. >> reporter: will gen-z voters show up? 58% said they're almost certain they will. >> the youth turnout will decide the president. >> turnout is the best question.

huge numbers in this polls said gen-z will turn out. on the gender divide, it's about temperament, about who can lead the country. when it comes to vice president kamala harris more women than men say she has the temperament to serve as president. when you talk about former president trump, it's the opposite. more men than women say he has the temperament. >> savannah sellers, thanks for the highlights. now to a new sexual misconduct allegation against former president donald trump. former "sports illustrated" model stacy williams claimed trump groped her in 1993 while jeffrey epstein watched. williams, who is a democrat, made these allegations on a zoom call this week labeled survivors for kamala. the trump campaign is denying these allegations. dasha burns joins us with more.

dasha, walk us through the allegations. >> reporter: williams said she first met epstein in 1992. the two became friendly. at one point they were walking near trump tower. epstein suggested they say hi to mr. trump. they went up in the elevator. when he was greeting williams, trump, she says, pulled me into him and started groping me. this is her quote. he put his hands all over my breasts and my waist, butt and i froze. i froze because i was so deeply confused about what was happening because the hands were moving all over me. she said, when she and epstein left, epstein berate her for allowing that to happen. she felt ashamed and embarrassed and kind of fell off communications with epstein afterwards. she said she felt it was important to come out, in part, because of the election. she wanted to tell her story to

give insight into who she believes mr. trump is. >> dasha, for transparency, nbc spoke to a number of people who, you know, were involved in some way to try to corroborate the allegations. who did our team talk to? >> reporter: we spoke with seven people who heard these allegations from williams between 2002 and 2022 to corroborate her claims, ana. >> the trump campaign issued a flat denial. what did they say? >> reporter: caroline levitt told nbc news these allegations for a former activist for obama are unequivocally false. >> dasha, thank you. up next on "ana cabrera reports," vice president harris is banking on personal stories of texas women to highlight the consequences of trump's abortion

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new denials from trump after that damning reporting in "the new york times" and the atlantic claiming trump spoke positively about adolph hitler and said he wanted generals like hitler. trump says that never happened. >> reporter: the atlantic is reporting you wanted generals like hitler. is that something you said? >> it's nothing i've ever said. it's a rag that made up stories. it's a failing magazine. right before the election -- it's a failing magazine. >> reporter: you said hitler -- [ inaudible ] >> never said it. >> with this election neck and neck the harris campaign is seizing on general kelly's comments and amplifying them in a new ad. >> he admires people who are

dictators. he said hitler did some good things too. >> if he was left to his own devices would he be a dictator? >> he would love to be. >> when somebody is the president, the authority is total. >> i'm kamala harris and i approve this message. >> with us now matthew dowd, an msnbc contributor who served as chief strategist to the bush campaign. matthew, is this the ad and issue that could motivate soft republicans who don't like trump, but are hesitant to back harris? >> reporter: you never know at the end of a campaign that could cause a shift. in my opinion this could cause a 1 or 2-point shift in the campaign.

when the information came out about the dui for bush, it didn't -- that to me is the likely scenario. it demotivates some republicans who don't like trump and say i'm not voting for him. >> we've seen more and more republicans endorse harris, including former michigan congressman fred upton who called trump unfit to serve. also mayor sean riley in a red county. liz cheney who's already campaigned with harris now set to go on the trail with democratic nominee alyssa slotkin. how impactful are these endorsements? >> reporter: there's two fold in why they matter. i wouldn't say on their own they'll shift votes. it sends a signal to independent voters who don't like either party, here's a candidate, the vice president, who's willing to work with both sides and both

sides are supporting her. that's a good signal for independent voters to hear who don't like either party. the other thing is this builds momentum on the vice president's behave and my view in this race, at this point, is whoever motivates their voters the best is going to win this race. that's why i have a view that she's ahead and is likely to win because her voters right now are more motivated than his voters. we have ten days left. these kind of things help with motivation. >> and the voting has begun. we're now getting a look at the early vote turnout. more than 30 million ballots cast. nationally more democrats have voted overall, which is consistent with past elections. however, matthew, in key battle grounds like georgia, arizona, nevada, so far more registered republicans have voted than registered democrats. what's your takeaway there? >> reporter: well, i think what

the republicans finally decided -- they were opposed to early voting in 2022 and 2020 and realized that was dumb. they pushed voters that were normal election day voters to vote early. that's the shift you're seeing. it's not new voters. i saw analysis yesterday that showed of the new voters that are voting, 2 out of every 3 are democratic voters. 2 out of every 3 voters are democratic voters. republicans aren't putting new voters in. they're cannibalizing election day voters and moving them to early voting. >> it will be interesting to see what it looks like on election day and how those registrations shift based on who is showing up. it's more convenient to mail in your vote or go when you have time. let me ask you before i let you go about your social media post yesterday. quote, vp is winning this race. she's winning nationally.

she's winning in a majority of the swing states and winning the early vote. it's bold to put that out there. what's driving your optimism? >> reporter: i've analyzed polls for a long time and worked with polls in 2000 and 2004. i watched people's anxiety raise. you have to throw out the bad and biased polls. there's quite a few. just look at the credible polls. when you average the credible polls, nonpartisan credible polls, she has about a 3-point national lead and leads in a majority of the battleground states. now, that is contingent on the turnout patterns being what i think they'll be, which is a signal we have. that requires the work to be done for the democrats in the final eight days. if you look at this clear eyed and throw out the junk, right now she has a slight lead. >> it's all about the vote. polls don't matter when it comes

to the election day. it's who turns out to vote. matthew dowd, thank you. >> reporter: thank you. in ohio reproductive rights groups are celebrating. a county judge ruled a law banning abortion after cardiac activity is detected could no longer be enforced. ohio voters passed a ballot initiative to enshrine reproductive rights into the state constitution. quote, the ohio voters have spoken. the constitution protects the right to abortion. as we mentioned, abortion is one of the biggest issues for voters in this election. vice president harris is putting the battle for reproductive rights center stage in texas tonight where we'll hear from women impacted by that state's strict abortion ban. one of their stories is featured in an ad from democratic senate candidate colin allred who is in a tight battle to unseat ted

cruz. the ad from allred is the most aired ad in the country. >> i had to flee the state for care. my husband and i were overwhelmed with joy to find out we were pregnant again. if i hadn't have fled my state, i wouldn't be pregnant today. ted cruz fought for this abortion ban. the consequences have been devastating. >> joining us now caitlyn cash who has shared her story about needing to leave texas for reproductive care. she supports the harris campaign. caitlyn, when you were 13 weeks pregnant, you found out your baby had a rare genetic disorder and was highly unlikely to survive. you had to travel out of state for an abortion. that must have been such a difficult time, such a challenging decision to make. what do people need to know about your experience and why this election matters so much? >> yeah, thank you for having me and thank you for letting me

amplify my story. that's what we're trying to do in texas. we're trying to scream from the roof tops and let everyone across the country know what it's like here in a state that's had these bans for almost three years now. for me, when i got my diagnosis and i was told that my baby would not survive, i was -- i left the appointment and sat in the lobby and they handed me a stack of papers and said these are your medical records. you're going to need them. they couldn't tell me where to go or what to do. they couldn't tell me anything. imagine on the worst day of your life when you have been told your baby will not live, you have to go out and find the care that you need and navigate the health care system and get on a plane and figure out how you're going to, you know, get people to watch your children and your dog. it was devastating. what was happening to me was devastating. having to flee the state was traumatic. >> talk more about that trauma.

what was your experience as you had to pursue care in a different state? >> you know, it just -- it was -- it was horrific. when i got home, i just got really sick because i, you know, was having a hard time processing what was happening. i remember laying on my bathroom floor holding my belly, grieving the loss of this child, trying to tell my baby it was going to be okay. throwing up and also google searching clinics in another state and having to figure out how to get there and dealing with all the restrictions and things around that. my husband had to buy a scanner because we had to print off forms and sign consent and send them back in. where else do we do that to anyone going through a situation like that? where do we say you have cancer, go figure it out?

this is health care. this is things i needed to care for my child. i needed an abortion to end my child's pain. his bones were going to start breaking in utero. i was sent out into the world and trying to figure it out. >> thank you. i know it's tough to talk about. thank you for sharing those details. it's stuff people don't think about in terms of the consequences and what people like yourself had to go through. donald trump, he likes to take credit for overturning roe. he says he wouldn't support a national abortion ban. he maintains it should be left to the states. what do you make of his stance on reproductive rights? >> i find it horrifying disgraceful that someone running for the highest office in the land would call these abortion bans a beautiful thing. what women are going through is not beautiful. the pain and the trauma, women are dying.

to just say not my problem, i mean, that's who's running for office. a man who is essentially saying not my problem, it's up to the states. my state will not protect me. my state will not protect me. i sued the state of texas. i've tried to go to the texas legislature and get a bill out of committee. i testified in front of the texas medical board. i've done everything in my power to change these laws. my state will not protect me. for someone to be running for president to say it's a beautiful thing, women are dying. how is that beautiful? >> caitlyn cash, thank you very much for speaking out and for joining us today. >> thank you. next on "ana cabrera reports," after decades behind bars, could the menendez brothers soon be free? what the l.a. district attorney is saying that could pave the way for their release? plus, a new voting

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welcome back. let's turn to a major legal development out of los angeles where the menendez brothers might soon walk free. the city's district attorney citing new evidence is filing a request to resentence the pair who are currently serving life sentences for the 1989 double murder of their parents. laura jarett has more.

>> reporter: momentum had been building up to this moment for weeks, but was viewed as a long shot to re-examine why the menendez brothers say they created those grizzly murders. a new path towards freedom for eric and lyle menendez, the top prosecutor in los angeles now recommending a judge resentence the brothers for killing their parents more than 30 years ago. >> they will be eligible for parole immediately. >> reporter: in a 57-page document, the d.a. writing the defendants have demonstrated exceptional post conviction conduct, adding they no longer present a public safety risk. after last month's netflix series increased an army of online defenders, the district attorney says he believes the brothers who maintained for years they shouldn't stay in prison for life after suffering

abuse at the hands of their father jose as children, and their mother kitty did nothing to stop it. >> i understand how sometimes people get desperate. i think that often for cultural reasons we don't believe victims of sexual assault. >> reporter: the dramatic turn in their fate hinging in part on purported new evidence supporting their past claims of their father's alleged abuse, something raised during their first trials. >> it started after sports practices he would massage me. >> reporter: after jurors dead locked the judge in their second trial barred the abuse excuse. a recent peacock documentary and releases from netflix bringing scrutiny to the case. >> if there had not been a netflix documentary, would we

not be having a conversation now? >> the conversation would have come in. >> reporter: thursday's announcing and filing coming within days of his election bid. >> it has nothing to do with the election. >> reporter: prosecutors alleged the brothers killed their parents to get their hands on their fortune. many family members support their release. >> this gives us hope. >> reporter: their uncle milton says they should stay behind bars. his attorney blasting the filing. >> it's really offensive. >> reporter: now this this has been filed, the case moves to a judge to determine whether the brothers should be released. then the state parole board gets to weigh in. back to you. >> laura jarett, thanks for that update. up next on "ana cabrera reports," the big lie gets bigger. how experts say trump's false claims about noncitizens voting is laying the groundwork for

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our elections are bad. a lot of these illegal immigrants coming in, they're trying to get them to vote. they can't even speak english. they don't know what country they're in practically, and these people are trying to get them to vote. >> donald trump keeps claiming noncitizens will vote in november. that is illegal and research shows it's incredibly rare.

but there are new warnings heading into election day from voting rights advocates and disinformation researchers who say this claim about noncitizens voting is being workshopped right now in case of another trump loss. nbc news senior reporter did a deep dive to track down how these claims enter the political sphere and then spread and you write, this is the big lie 2.0. so take us through what you found and what's being workshopped. >> right, so the big lie 1.0 was really based around this false idea that mail-in ballots were somehow unsafe for fraud and everybody was doing it. there is a little political messaging problem with that theory because they need people to vote early and they need people to vote with mail-in ballots and republicans need that base, so that's gone. that's the old way. now we're focused on noncitizen voting. the great thing about this conspiracy theory that alleges noncitizens will vote en masse

in this way that may tip the election and steal it from donald trump, which is orchestrated by democrats, kamala harris, elites, jews, it's really rooted in racism, so that conspiracy theory is really the big push right now, and so we're seeing that in a lot of ways. we're seeing it as the basis of lawsuits that are winding their way through the courts. we're seeing it in activist groups which i have been leaked lots of these meetings so i have been able to see thousands of people gathering each week, all sort of trading and pumping themselves up full of this lie. >> wow, and you and your piece by writing, quote, a new force of conservative activists who came together after trump's failed attempt to overturn an election is awaiting orders. on election day and in the weeks that follow, these thousands who found one another in the wake of one big lie are ready to mobilize around the next. so any indication what that could look like? >> it could look like a lot of things.

it's probably should trump lose, it will be chaotic. how this lie will fuel real action, a couple of ways. one way that legal scholars said might happen is that these lawsuits that are currently winding their was through the courts, they're not going to win. they're not likely to win because it's based on the problem, but it might lend some credibility towards those claims. so we might have people in election office failing to certify, refusing to certify, delaying certification. we could have real world activity and action. people showing up to the polls, showing up to election offices. we don't really know, but the problem is we know conspiracy theories like that that otherize people, it's not good. >> thank you for shining light. you have a great piece on nbc.com. i encourage everybody to go and read it to get more awareness on this issue. thanks again, and thank you for joining us today. that's going to do it for me this week. i'll see you back here on monday, same time, same place. for now, i'm ana cabrera

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