nation summit. and take an historic step to improve tribal consultation, with the historic laws i have signed are making some of the most significant investments in native communities ever, ever in american history. part of my invest in america agenda. and it's helping all americans. from every state and every tribe. and that's good for all america. helping native communities get through the pandemic with vaccine shots in arms and checks in pockets. i'm proud this helped cut child poverty in native communities by more than one-third. i'm proud our economy, our plan has created 200,000 jobs for native americans. record low unemployment in native communities. the strong support from the secretary and all of you, we're finally modernizing tribal infrastructure, for god's sake.

building new roads, new bridges, delivering clean water, affordable high-speed broadband and every native community and so much more. folks, we're just getting started. we're making historic climate investments with clean energy, clean water, native community including costewardship of our land and water. we designated the first national marine sanctuary proposed by indigenous communities, which is off the coast of california. we just got that done. >> president biden, who is touting his administration's policies toward native americans but doing something historically significant. which is making a formal apology for something that was happening for many decades and didn't end until 1970, and that was the systemic separation of families, of native american families, putting their children into boarding schools where they were often physically, mentally, and

emotionally abused. let's bring in nbc's mike memoli at the white house. actually, i would say he made news on three fronts there, but let's start with the reason for being at the indian community in arizona. and that is this apology, which he said it took 50 years to make. it should have happened sooner. so why now? why was this important? >> i think the weight of this event, you see not just for the audience there, the tribal nations who have been advocating for this for decades, to right this historic wrong. also what you heard the president so often talk about in the context of these remarks, it's a chapter most americans don't know about. there were generations of young native american children displaced in an attempt at forced assimilation, and in many cases physically abused. this new report released by the interior department found that 974 children and likely many more were killed as a result of this forced displacement. it was a report commissioned and

overseen by interior secretary deb haaland. she became emotional as she was talking to reporters about this yesterday. and listen, chris, there's also a political context to this. native americans turned out in record numbers in arizona four years ago, helping president biden to win the state of arizona, and just days before an election, this is also something that could potentially help the harris campaign. >> there are two other things that strike me with political implications. it's been familiar, president biden shows up and there are free palestine protesters. we heard one. he said, though, let her talk. when he realized what her message was, he said this. there's a lot of innocent people being killed, and it has to stop. were you surprised by that response? >> it's interesting because this had been an issue that was dogging his campaign, that there is still concern in the harris campaign is going to hurt her especially in the state of michigan.

it's something the white house insists is a top priority for the white house to see a humanitarian pause. we saw secretary blinken, seeing an opportunity perhaps after the death of sinwar for a cease-fire to take place, but those efforts are falling short. >> at a time when obviously vice president harris is trying to draw a very stark contrast between herself and donald trump, the kind of president they would be, it was interesting that on a day when trump is getting a lot of attention for calling the united states of america the garbage can for the world, referring to migrants, we heard from president biden saying we are a great nation, and he said it a couple times. >> that's right, chris. talking about the fact that diversity of this country, the representation is so important. but also the apology itself, he cast as a sign of strength. he said great countries don't run away from their history. they make history, and they learn from their history, an important and very clear contrast in this presidential race as well.

>> mike, thank you so much. and again, we're going to continue to listen in to president biden who has just made that formal apology for the forced separation of native american families. we'll have much more coverage after the break. first, be sure to tune in at 3:00 p.m. eastern when north carolina attorney general and candidate for governor josh stein joins my colleague katy tur talking about the race against the scandal embroiled republican mark robinson. we'll be right back. be right ba. those mom genes are a big part of you. ancestrydna can you show the people and places they came from. ♪♪ discover the traits you inherited, the places where they started, and the people you share them with. your genes are one of a kind, find out why with ancestrydna.

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everything's bigger in texas, including the stakes. donald trump is about to speak in austin, and kamala harris is across the state in houston, where she's going to hold a rally on abortion rights with three sources telling us beyonce will be there as well. yamiche alcindor is in houston. what more can you tell us about the thinking there? >> reporter: well, the vice president wants to come to this state and make the case that the

consequences of the abortion bans that went into effect after roe v. wade was overturned, that they have put women's lives at risk. in some states, killed women, and texas has been ground zero for that. she wants to make this a national appeal. she's trying to help unseat the democrat that is running against ted cruz for the u.s. senate seat, but that being said, she's going to be trying to hammer home the idea that women's lives are at risk. she's going to stand alongside women and men who suffered the consequences, they got infections, their doctors refused to give them carethy needed, and putting beyonce and willie nelson on the stage, they're hoping they can garner attention and bring attention to not only the people when might be persuadable in the last few days but also for democrats to motivate them to come out in big numbers. >> thank you for that. now let's go to nbc's garrett haake live at the trump event in austin. so tell us about where you are and what we expect to hear from donald trump today.

>> reporter: chris, donald trump won't get close to austin proper. we're at an airplane hangar on airport campus. the stage is set for donald trump to give what looks like another dark speech focused on what he likes to call migrant crime. you can probably see behind me some of the placards that show the names of migrants accused of heinous crimes in this country. it is an issue that donald trump believes will be decisive in this race. and his campaign is talking to voters on a range of issues but he often said he thinks this will be the most important issue in the minds of voters. he's also here in texas, i should point out, perhaps primarily, for an interview he's scheduled to record later today with joe rogan, the podcaster with about 14 million subscribers on spotify. a key voice to the young men who are generally politically disengaged but the trump campaign believes might be favorable to trump who they hope will turn into trump voters.

>> thank you for that. so that's what we have. texas of all places, ground zero for the closing message for both presidential candidates today. add to that, of course, that texas has a key senate race with ted cruz versus colin allred, now the most expensive senate fight in the country. joining us now, jeremy wallace, political reporter for the houston chronicle. selamisha, and basil smikle, an msnbc political analyst. jeremy, nobody is suggesting kamala harris can win texas or donald trump is in trouble. but as a backdrop to their individual messages, what do you think it brings to their campaign that resonates beyond texas. >> absolutely. look, the feel as a swing state for at least a minute feels really great in texas to have both campaigns battling theoretically -- >> i'm going to put you on hold for a second because kamala

harris has come out and is making some comments. let's listen in. >> -- have made texas ground zero in this fundamental right for the freedom of women to make decisions about their own body, so tonight, we will be discussing the impact of that. not only to the women of texas and their families but to people around the country because of trump abortion bans. and i do believe it is critically important to acknowledge that this is not just a political debate. this is not just some theoretical concept. real harm has occurred in our country. a real suffering has occurred. people have died. and it is important to highlight this issue because this is among the most critical issues that the american people will address when they vote for who will be the next president of the united states. so i will be talking about the harm. i will be talking about those who have been directly impacted, and i will also tonight be talking with the american people about the power that you, the american people, have to make a

decision about the future course of our country and do we all agree that there are just certain decisions the government should not be making for individuals and their families. i also do want to address the comment that donald trump made about america being the trash can of the world, whatever he said, something along those lines. it's just another example of how he really belittles our country. this is someone who is a former president of the united states. who has a bully pulpit. and this is how he uses it. to tell the rest of the world that somehow the united states of america is trash. and i think, again, the president of the united states should be someone who elevates discourse and talks about the best of who we are and invests in the best of who we are. not someone like donald trump who is constantly demeaning and

belittling who the american people are. america deserves better. and i'm happy to take any questions. >> you're here to talk about reproductive rights in texas, not exactly a swing state in the last two weeks here. but this is an issue that a lot of voters are coming out to vote, potentially for you on, but if you don't have a congress that will codify roe like you have been saying on the trail, what specifically is your plan to expand reproductive rights in this country? >> well, when texans vote for colin allred for the united states senate, we will be in a position where we actually will be closer to being able to put back in place the protections of roe v. wade, and as i have said, and it is my pledge, when congress passes a bill putting back in place reproductive freedom, i will sign it into law. >> but you don't have a friendly congress, there's no plan b, no other plan? >> we keep fighting. and our country, america, has a history of understanding.

we don't give up the fight for freedom. we do not give up the fight. when it comes to some of the most basic freedoms any individual in our country has a right to expect, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. >> madam vice president, staying on congress, politico is reporting a house freedom caucus leader says that north carolina should consider giving trump its electors before votes are counted because the helene damage was in predominantly trump counties. what's your reaction to language like that? >> america deserves to have leaders who respect the importance of one of the pillars and foundations of our democracy, which is free and fair elections. and that they are not manipulated by elected leaders for the sake of their own political future or their own political strategy for how they themselves want to succeed. this has to be about what's in

the best interest of the american people. one of the big issues in this election, and in the next 11 days, is do you want a president who on one hand in the former president trump tried to undo the will of the people, incited a violent mob to attack the united states capitol where 140 law enforcement officers were injured and some were killed or do you want a president who respects the will of the people, free and fair elections, and the right of the people to make a decision about who are their leaders. >> some democrats are concerned that you have pivoted too far away from talking about the economy and really prioritizing that in these final days of the election, that you could end up losing some progressive voters and some working class voters because of that. what do you say to those people, especially ones who might be concerned that doing a big closing argument speech in a place like the ellipse may be leaning more into talking about the threat of trump to democracy

and not his threats that you see to the economy. >> one of the things i love about the american people is we can hold many thoughts at once. and one of the highest priorities for the american people right now is bringing down costs, and that is the priority of my agenda and will be the priority of my work when i'm elected president of the united states. my priority includes fighting for our democracy. including fighting for the freedom of people to make decisions about their own body, including what we must do to speak out against threats to our democracy, what we must do to speak up in defense of our allies around the world on important international rules and norms such as sovereignty and territorial integrity. all of these issues are issues that affect and concern the american people, and i will continue to speak on all of them. >> ma'am, jamie dimon wants to be part of your cabinet. have you talked to him about

that and do you think wall street should be a part of your cabinet? >> we have 11 days to go. i do not have a cabinet yet. so the decisions i'm making are all about what i will be doing and what we will be doing to remind the american people of the power of their vote. >> have you voted yet? >> i have not voted yet, but it's on my priority list for these next few days. >> one quick question. mitch mcconnell and speaker mike johnson put out a statement comparing rhetoric that you have been using comparing it to the man who is accused of an attempted opponent, donald trump. do you take their criticism seriously? >> listen, we all must speak out against any form of political violence, and i'm very clear about that. no one should be the subject of violence, much less political violence. but the american people deserve to be presented with facts and

the truth. and the fact and the truth is that some of the people closest to donald trump when he was president, generals, including most recently john kelly, a four-star marine general, have been very clear about the danger and the threat that donald trump poses to america and the fact that he is unfit to serve. and the american people deserve to hear that and know about that so they can make a decision based on what's in the best interest of themselves and their families. >> we talked to a lot of voters, some of who are undecided. while they're turned away from donald trump, they also told us they felt like they haven't heard enough of your policies. do you feel like your messaging, you're striking the right balance against trump in talking about the specifics of your own policy enough? >> that is a balance that must be struck. there's no question about that. and i invite everyone who is watching to go to kamalaharris.com where you'll

see 80 pages of our policies opa number of issues that include, again, as my priority, what we're going to do to bring down the cost for american families, including the cost of housing, cost of groceries, the cost of child care, the cost of home health care for seniors. and i will continue to talk about also what we must do to understand the threat that donald trump poses to our democracy and our future, and our security. thank you all. >> you ready for beyonce? >> more to follow. >> kamala harris who has a big rally tonight, answering questions on the key issues of the day that we were talking about when she came out before the press. they include reproductive rights, which is something she is going to hammer home in texas, immigration, the language that donald trump has used about migrants and that is going to be his message coming up a short time from now. and as you heard, answering general questions about the final days ticking down quickly of this campaign, now dwindling

down to 11. let me go back and talk to you, jeremy, about the fact that this has become the place on a day like today where both sides are making their closing arguments, and she very conveniently repeated what we had just said, that she sees texas as ground zero for her arguments on abortion and reproductive rights. >> yeah, her feet will be in houston but clearly her message is meant for pennsylvania, wisconsin, and any place there are swing voters now. she's got to use texas and its abortion laws, its strict abortion laws, as an example to those voters in other places that this will be coming for you too if you allow donald trump a second term in the white house. and so expect her to make that case, but the one thing i want to push back on, i keep telling people, texas is a little closer than people realize. we were decided by 5.6 percentage points back in 2020. that's the closest race in texas

in decades. and the ninth closest in the nation. i'm not saying she's go to flip the state, but she's going to be far closer to winning texas than people are expecting her to be. her being here creates this extra energy that might get colin allred over the top and also might get texas as close to the presidential race in 30 years. >> i definitely want tuke about the senate race, but i also want to talk about the other thing we heard, and that is her pushing back. we see donald trump in austin right now, and you can see he says deport illegals now, end migrant crime. i want to play for folks this sound from donald trump just yesterday that kamala harris referenced. here it is. >> we're a dumping ground. we're like a garbage can for the world. that's what's happened. that's what's happened. we're like a garbage can. you know, it's the first time i have ever said that. and every time i come up and

talk about what they have done to our country, i get angrier and angrier. first time i have ever said garbage can, but it's a very accurate description. >> it's hard to look at that and what we just saw from kamala harris as we have been -- she has been trying to draw a contrast between the two campaigns and not look at the first black and south asian woman who is the nominee of the party of a major party for president of the united states, and the daughter of a woman who came alone at age 19 from india here, largely raised her two daughters alone, and ended up with a ph.d. from berkeley. and contrast that. so i wonder what you see when you hear what kamala harris has to say about donald trump and his demeaning language toward people who have come here from other countries. >> thank you for having me.

i mean, it's pretty astonishing and i think one of the things that's really troubling is the fact that donald trump is a child of an immigrant, his mother. kamala harris is a child of two immigrants in terms of her father and mother from india and jamaica. i, too, am a child of an immigrant from trinidad. america, all of us are benefitting from people who traveled to this country to make a better world and a better life for themselves. it's deeply disturbing because we all have different visions of what america can be, but you hear in these final days of the election two very different versions and visions of america's past and its future. and so that's why kamala harris' vision of democracy and her very expansive notion of freedom is really important. and i just want to say that this idea of reproductive justice being somehow separate from the economy is also a kind of false binary. reproductive rights and

reproductive freedoms for women control so much of how we exist in the world in terms of family leave or the budgets in our family, so there are ways in which this idea if you focus on reproductive justice is not to focus on the economy, i think that is a false binary and has proveb not to be true at all. >> we know that the lack of health care and the lack of access to health care definitely affects women of color, affects people who are not as economically sound as some others. disproportionately. so basil, i wonder when you look at these contrasts and where we are 11 days out, what's going to resonate with that small sliver that we keep talking about of people who will ultimately decide this election? >> i tell you, one of the things i have to say, is right in this moment, seeing donald trump at an official campaign event has

the words deport illegals now and migrant crime splattered on a step and repeat at an official campaign event, and even worse, that there's a person standing next to him in uniform. that sends the message he's going to take his rhetoric and the people who support him will take that rhetoric and enforce it with people in and out of uniform somewhere in this country, and that should concern everybody, because he has not joked about, he has talked about using the military and law enforcement in ways not meant to be used but for his own purpose, and that image with that backdrop and that individual standing there completely re-enforces that for me. having said that, i'll add to the other part of your question, which is look, kamala harris is doing two things now. she's in persuasion and gotv. and if you listen to her, she has gotten so much better on this campaign trail because just the ability to go talk to voters and meet with voters and the polling is showing that in those conversations, they are trusting her more than they are donald

trump on her policy positions. and all of those are really extraordinary signs for her, for democrats, because that contrast is showing through over and over and over again in every stop that she's making. when you hear his rhetoric, and mind you, from a policy perspective, he's kind of said the same thing since 2016 -- >> my producer is telling me in my ear he's saying exactly what you would expect home to be saying. >> exactly right. the language and tone of it has gotten extraordinarily worse, and the guardrails that were on him, such as they were gone because those people are gone. those campaign staffers are gone, the government folks that were around him when he was in office are gone and campaigning against him. so what we look forward to if he were to become president of the united states is the loss of those guardrails and what kamala harris is saying is that we are a better country than this. we actually can solve all of the concerns you have through policy means, and the polling is

showing that the voters are acchaev believing her on it. >> jeremy, colin allred, let's go back to the idea that there is also another race going on in texas that doesn't involve presidential candidates. colin allred will be with kamala harris in houston tonight. nbc news just learned a democratic super pac is spending $5 million on tv ads across the state. i want to play one of them that focuses on abortion. >> as an emergency physician, i can tell you texas women are in danger because of ted cruz. i have seen 12, 13-year-old survivors of rape come in pregnant, pregnant women with severe complications threatening their health, and ted cruz's abortion ban makes it illegal for me to provide them care. i could never vote for ted cruz. colin allred will restore a woman's right to make her own medical decisions. >> so jeremy, we know the impact that this is already having on the presidential race. but will it have an impact on

the texas senate race? >> yeah, absolutely it will. look, the senate race was really close the last time around. ted cruz won his re-election last time, but only by 2.6 percentage points in 2018. the problem for him is that we have added over 3 million voters since that time to the voter rolls. that's a lot of independents out there. these messages that are going out now from the colin allred campaign is aimed at trying to get those suburban independents out to vote for him. so he sees the play there to try to get them on his side because they know ted cruz's numbers with independents particularly is really bad right now. and that's his opportunity to kind of seize that middle, and that could have an additional effect on the presidential race as well. >> basil just mentioned gotv, and that is the major partf the game now. how do you get your voters to the polls. we saw last night the number of celebrities that came out in

support of kamala harris. tonight, the word is beyonce is going to be performing. but i want to talk about tyler perry last night. he of course built an empire on entertainment, but he turned serious when talking about donald trump. take a listen. >> i watched him from the central park five to project 2025. and what i realize is that in this donald trump america, there is no dream that looks like me. it was so important for me to stand with a candidate who understands that we as america, we are a quilt, and i could never stand with a candidate who wants america to be a sheet. >> we are a quilt. what is the power of a message like that? >> well, i think tyler perry is both speaking to i guess this larger fabric of american democracy but also speaking specifically there i think to

african american male voters who may be courted by the trump campaign, but what he's actually saying is the vision that kamala harris is putting forth includes you and is not racist. to go from central park five to project 2025, that's a long lineage of really problematic racial categorizations and racist rhetoric. i would like to say, though, too, what is exciting tonight with beyonce and bruce springsteen is what we're seeing in the final days of the election, we have to believe what the candidates are saying. by having these musical performers, you have willie nelson and beyonce allegedly coming to the stage tonight. in collaboration, perhaps, but also showing this intergenerational multiracial, cross gender, multigenders coalition that i think what kamala harris has done really effectively is say reproductive justice is not just a women's issue. this is an issue that affects american families and american people. what does it mean to have willie nelson at a reproductive justice rally on behalf of americans and

speaking about freedom? what does it mean to have beyonce with willie nelson, and he was also on her album? we can think about their musical collaboration as really coalition building, and we see that kamala harris has with all of the number of republicans that have come forward in support of her, with liz cheney and her going around talking, and they speak very differently about this issue of reproductive justice. they're on opposite sides, but their big belief of what democracy is and what american freedom should be is something that bonds them. so i just think that the musical artists, whether it's bruce springsteen, willie nelson, beyonce, and also entertainers like tyler perry, it's speaking to the broad based coalition that i think underscores her vision of freedom that she keeps on saying that she's trying to preserve and even push forward. >> motivating for the base potentially. but there's also, you know, instagram, youtube, all of the social media. let's not kid ourselves, with

beyonce and taylor swift, kamala harris has -- add bruce springsteen, three of the most famous and most successful entertainers, musicians on the planet. but how does that translate to votes? >> i have to tell you, last night, i was at a town hall sponsored by a black sorority. and one of the best moments for me in this cycle, a young 18-year-old who was there because his mother took him to this town hall, came up to me afterwards and said, i had no intention of voting before this but you convinced me it was important, and why, because we talked about the history of the time when he could not vote or he was not able to vote, and a lot of people in that room may not have been able to cast their ballot without extraordinary difficulty and talking about what's at stake. and ultimately, no matter what you're looking at on social media, it takes someone you know to be able to go to you and say, i need you to do this because this is what's at stake.

and just more of us need to do that, and you know, the fact that kamala harris is doing all these rallies is because it puts a lot of people in the room at the same time to give them the energy and the talking points to go out and do what i did. >> you touched on something i hadn't really thought about. you're around people who are very well known. it's very common for people to walk up to them and say i feel like i know you. and so there's that impact of it. thank you for a fantastic conversation. coming up on chris jansing reports, the new analysis of donald trump's newest speeches and what he calls the weave. why some are calling the response a double standard. safe step walk-in tub, you'll receive a free shower package. yes, a free shower package! and if you call today, you'll also receive 15% off your entire order. now you can enjoy the best of both worlds!

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donald trump calls it the weave. it's an explanation or excuse depending on your point of view for his verbal ramblings and non sequiturs. but after reviewing dozens of speeches, interviews and other pulic appearances, "the washington post" finds that his remarks lately have been strikingly erratic, coarse, and often confusing. here are some moments, all of them from the last couple weeks. >> the biden circles that's he uses to have, right? he would have eight circles and he couldn't fill them up. but then i heard he beat us with the popular vote. i don't know. i don't know. couldn't fill up the eight circles. i always loves those circle. they were so beautiful. we have a great military. we don't know how to use it.

>> great respect, i was asked about tariffs. >> when he took showers with the other pros, they came out of there, they said oh, my god. that's unbelievable. >> you go to a lot of cities, and they rob a department store, and guys are walking out with refrigerators. they have it on their back, and air conditioning, and everything. >> i always say it's like the paper clip. some guy, 129 years ago, he came up, took a little piece and all of a sudden he has the paper clip. he made a fortune. >> trump says his rambling is a sign of his brillianten mind. critics say it's a sign of mental decline. and for many supporters of kamala harris, it's a point of frustration. they see a double standard at play. "washington post" reporter josh dawsey is here. he wrote that analysis on trump's speech along with former clinton campaign manager robby mook, good to see both of you.

josh, tell us more about what you found reviewing all of that trump talk. >> yeah, we were looking at how trump has campaigned this past few months. he's always been known for sort of meandering speeches, sort of the things a lot of his followers frankly like about him, that his speeches are not scripted. but something different has been going on in the last few months. his speeches are much longer than they used to be. his team has tried to get him to cut back on how long his speeches are because they notice people are leaving. people are sort of, you know, losing interest, not all of them, but some people are losing interest. and they often go to headlines that the campaign does not view as helpful. what we noticed in analyzing the speeches over the last few months is that they often, the speeches often sort of jump from one topic to another without any clear through lines. and because of that, trump has started saying it's called the

weave. it shows his brilliance. there's lot of observers and analysts and people who have been watching for a long time who say he meanders and rambles and does things that are not necessarily the best way to communicate. >> robby, do you see a difference from when you ran hillary clinton's campaign against trump in 2016? obviously, knowing what he said back then was part of the job. >> yeah, i do see a difference. he is rambling more. it is more disjointed, disconnected, confusing. and the fact is, he is going to be one of the oldest presidents in history if he's elected. and the democratic party went through a very painful process to change nominees based on similar concerns. and if i were the republicans, i would absolutely have concerns. by the way, on top of existing concerns about his temperament, about his compulsive narcissism, and about his basic incompetence

to serve in this office. his complete lack of any grasp of the policy material. and i will finally say, and this is a challenge for anybody who runs against donald trump, is in any of these speeches, he dusts up any number of controversies that make it incredibly hard when you're running against him to break through with your own news. i think you see harris really having to dprunt that where she has a message she wants to drive. that's really hard when trump is making these reckless, wild, insulting, lewd in some cases comments that are just frankly, you know, snackier for the news cycle. >> yeah, josh, we should say that donald trump is 18 years older than kamala harris. but talk about, i think, what is the divide that some people are trying to figure out, like, what of this that you have been hearing is the ramblings, the kind of stuff that we have heard from trump from the very beginning when he ran against

hillary clinton, and some of the other things that people see as signs or see as familiar signs if they have older relatives of what could be cognitive decline. and i'm not asking you to play doctor on tv. i'm just asking you for observations. >> i'm not going to play doctor on tv. i think one of the things you do see in kamala harris' campaign keeps saying trump has exhaustion, this attack he's exhausted and they say, that's something that voters should notice. i'm not sure that voters see him as exhausted. i think even a lot of his critics say, no, he has a lot of energy. he's sort of always on your screen all the time talking nonstop. i think some of the voters may see him as exhausting, that he just sort of -- that's why a lot of reasons in 2020, people voted for joe biden and trump lost after his first term, was a lot of voters just got tired of him. they said that, they were ready for something else. and so it's interesting with all

of his ramblings and the meanders speeches that he's given, most of his supporters are fine with it, but there are people who i think get exhausted, maybe watching him or maybe listening to him. that's what kamala harris' campaign is banking on, whether or not that's true, we'll see. >> yeah, and obviously, that includes some of the people, as you say, who have decided they leave early because it's just getting to be a little too much. but i want to ask you, robby, a lot of people have made a comparison that joe biden was treated unfairly when they see similar signs of aging in donald trump. but to keep it in this campaign, eugene robinson writes in "the washington post" about how the double standard for harris and trump, he says has reached a breaking point. quote, it is apparently baked into this campaign that trump is allowed to talk and act like a complete lunatic while harris has to be perfect in every way. do you see a double standard at work, and how do you think the

harris campaign is combatting it? >> i think there is a double standard. and i think it's because trump and his team know that they can weaponize our partisan process where we have two sides, two candidates, two choices, that if he is recklessly irresponsible, he will always be put up against her as if it's a valid alternative. and this was a frustration all the time in 2016, and i know it was for biden as well. is that, you know, any of his opponents will put in an enormous amount of time trying to come up with thoughtful policies, realistic policies, realistic ideas, and trump will come and just say whatever is on his mind, completely untethered from facts, completely untethered from the truth. and that that's elevated and put on a pedestal as if that is an equally valid position.

so this is a challenge for the media. it's a challenge when you're running a campaign, and it's a challenge, i don't think that we have figured out. but the consequences will be very real. trump is talking about radical changes of policy. he's talking about going to the chinese and negotiating on tariffs. i don't think he's qualified to negotiate with anyone on anything. his business record is abysmal. so the threat here is very real. and it's up to the voters to see that. but i think trump often does a very good job of putting up this fraudulent gilded business track record which is an utter sham and failure as if he knows what he's doing. >> robby mook, josh dawsey, with his great reporting. thank you both so much. >> and coming up on chris jansing reports, we'll speak to democratic senator bob casy who is fighting to keep his seat. what is his closing message? and is his true opponent dave mccormick or donald trump? trump?

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it couldn't be closer in pennsylvania. not only is the presidential race deadlocked, a new poll shows democratic senator bob casey now leading republican dave mccormick by 1% among likely voters. of course, that's within the margin of error. and the cook political report just shifted that race from "lean democrat" to "toss-up" citing internal polling from both parties. joining us now, senator bob casey of pennsylvania. good to see you again, senator. does your internal polling show the race this tight, and what's your plan in these last 11 days? >> the race is that close, but i'm not surprised. pennsylvania is always a close race in a presidential race, but with an outside -- or more than one super pac attacking me, i'm not surprised that it's close. but look, i think in the final days of this campaign, voters in our state are going to make a

choice between someone who has delivered for the state and someone on the other side who has delivered for our adversaries when he ran the biggest hedge fund in the world, investing in chinese weapons manufacturers and steel companies, companies boosting china's military and making fighter jets and missiles and bombers. so the more people hear about my record of delivering, whether it's high-speed internet to communities, whether it it's the child tax credit, having the cost of insulin, doing so much else to deliver for the state, i think we're going to win this race, but it's going to be very close. with one super pac outspending every other part of the campaign, we need to continue to raise money, and i would ask folks who want to help us in these last days of the campaign to go to bobcasey.com and send whatever you can, $5, $10. >> i don't need to tell you that in the closing days, a sliver of

people who make the difference in what you say is an extraordinarily close race, is very, very, very small. and that may be why we saw this ad that ran recently from your campaign that includes some of your support for trump policies. let me play that. >> i'm a republican. >> and i'm a democrat. >> our marriage, pure bliss. but on politics we just don't agree. except for bob casey. he's independent. >> that's right. >> casey's leading the effort to start corporate greed and price gouging. he sided with trump to end nafta and put tariffs on china to stop them from cheating. so in this house, we agree. it's bob casey who is doing right by pennsylvania. >> i'm bob casey, and i definitely approve this message. >> so the trump campaign denounced that ad. "the wall street journal" editorial board called you, and i'm quoting you, a political poser. there are some who have suggested that by running an ad like that, you might risk

alienating supporters from your own party. so talk about that ad and how you can get to those voters who are still on the fence. >> well, those guys blowing hot air are angry about the ad because they know i'm going to beat their boy, their guy. but look, that ad is very simple. it's an ad about my record. one of the most important issues that to the people of pennsylvania is trade, so our workers and companies don't get screwed in trade bills. i fought against, no matter who was president, to support the trade deals that would help pennsylvania. but part of my record for delivering for the state isn't an investment in community's investment and children and families, in ways that we have never seen in pennsylvania before, by the way. but also delivering better trade policy. that means i agree with the republican president, i'm going to do it to deliver for the people of pennsylvania and focus on those pennsylvania priorities. >> we only have a minute, but i

want you to quickly respond to this. politico reported that nikki haley is going out, stumping with dave mccormick next week in pittsburgh. three people familiar with the matter, could that help him? >> look, they're going to bring anyone in they can. this guy has -- 80% of his ads are paid for by super pacs, 80% in this campaign. so they're going to prop him up with billionaires and surrogates. it's not going to work. we'll beat him on election day. but i cannot defeat him without continuing to raise money. please, folks, go to bobcasey.com. we need help to defeat my opponent but also to defeat these billionaires. send these guys out of state billionaires packing to wherever they came from. >> senator bob casey, making the most of his airtime. thank you so much, senator. that is going to do it for us this hour. join us every weekday 1:00 to

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