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hi there, everyone, happy friday. it's 4:00 in new york. 11 days to go until election day in america. the harris campaign is sounding the alarm about the threat posed by donald trump. as for trump, he appears dead set on proving them right. the closing message from the disgraced, convicted, twice impeached, four times indicted ex-president is an endless barrage of smears and insults flung at vice president harris, at his political critics, and, frankly, anyone standing in the way, and even a country he seeks to lead. here is what he had to say last night. >> they're coming from 181 countries as of yesterday. we're a dumping ground. we're like a garbage can for the world. that's what's happened -- we're like a garbage can. you know, it's the first time i've ever said that. and every time i come up and

talk about what they've done to the country, i get angrier and angrier. the first time i've ever said garbage can, but it's a very accurate description. >> interesting strategy to refer to the united states of america as a, quote, garbage can for the world when you're the guy who wants to be the president of that garbage can. here is how vice president kamala harris responded. >> i also do want to address the comment about america being the trash can of the world, whatever he said, something along those lines. you know, it's just another example of how he really belittles our country. this is someone who is a former president of the united states, who has a bully pulpit. and this is how he uses it, to tell the rest of the world that somehow the united states of america is trash, and i think,

again, the president of the united states should be someone who elevates discourse and talks about the best of who we are and invest in the best of who we are, not someone like donald trump who is constantly demeaning and belittling who the american people are. >> belittling and demeaning the american people is, at this point, something most people have grown numb to, part and parcel of donald trump's angry apocalyptic campaign message, his dark vision of what the country is, something that he has made clear he will use to justify taking a wrecking ball to our freedoms, our fellow citizens and our institutions. team trump argues that he would be completely unrestrained in doing so if he prevails in november. here is what former president barack obama had to say about the warnings from general john

kelly and general mark milley at a rally last night. >> i happen to know john kelly and mark milley. they served under me when i was commander in chief, these are serious people. these are -- this is a decorated soldier and marine who served in battle. they are not, quote/unquote, woke liberals. they are people who have never, in the past even talked about politics because they believe that the military should be above politics. but the reason they're speaking up is because they have seen that in donald trump's mind the military does not serve to exist, he doesn't see the commander in chief as a solemn, sacred responsibility just like

everything else. he thinks the military exists to do his bidding. to serve his interests. he said if he's elected he'll use that military to go after, quote, the enemy within. which he defines as anybody who criticizes him or refuses to bend the knee. he can't handle that. and unlike last time, unlike the first time, he won't have people like john kelly around to stop him. he'll be surrounded by people who are just as looney as he is. and who will let him do what he wants. >> in a brand-new interview with "the washington post," general john kelly is warning of chaos if trump tries to do what he's saying he's going to do and use american troops against americans on u.s. soil. from that new interview, quote, to use the u.s. military in terms of domestic law

enforcement, it is not the american way. the fear is he will tell them to do something illegal, and that's a really bad thing to do. and then you have generals resigning and very possibly within the ranks. you have people refusing to do it. these guys are going to follow the law. and trump deploying the military inside our country against fellow americans is not some neurotic hypothetical. he actually did want to do it and did try to do it in his first term. once again from "the washington post," quote, as protests swept the nation after the murder of george floyd and some rioting broke out in washington, donald trump demanded in a white house meeting in june 2020 that 10,000 troops deploy to the u.s. capitol -- or to the capital. one of them was pulled out of thin air as he sought to counter any perception he was weak. it prompted a study in which the

pentagon officials and others in the trump administration reviewed how to address the demand but he never gave the order to put active duty soldiers on the streets. standing in the way the men we've been talking about, his own defense secretary, mike esper, quote, at this point, even if they were wrong and violence spiked in the city, i didn't want active duty forces quickly available to the president, esper wrote. quote, we had managed to keep them out of the district so far. guard forces were now flowing into d.c. in healthy numbers, so i decided to send active duty units home. i did not inform the white house about these decisions either. i could not trust that they would not reverse my decision. the threat of an unrestrained donald trump acting on his autocratic plans looms over the final 11 days of this presidential campaign season, and it's where we start again today. here at the table "new york times" investigative reporter mike schmidt is back, host of

msnbc's "politics nation" and president of the national action network, the reverend al sharpton is here. also joining us political strategist msnbc senior analyst, the man i call my human xanax because of his read on polls, mark dowd, is here, and former senior counsel to john kelly is here. he signed a new letter backing kelly's warnings along with other former trump administration officials. kevin, thank you so much for being here. i'm really grateful to get to talk to you and understand more of what you saw on the day that donald trump referred to veterans who were giving their life as losers and suckers like john kelly's son. >> i remember that day very well, nicole. memorial day of 2017. i had gone to decorate the graves of some fallen men and i saw the limousine leaving and john kelly over the grave of his

son. and i went over with my own son who was 5 at the time, and he was visibly upset, which is not usually the way he presents himself. and i asked what was wrong, and he shook his head no and he didn't want to talk about it. my son was percentive enough to see if he was upset and asked if he it would like to say a prayer. my son and kelly held hands and said some hail marys over his grave. after we got out of the administration i was talking to general kelly and trading stories about crazy stuff we had seen. he mentioned that trump had said over his son's grave, what was in it for him? what was in it for these men that they gave their lives for our country? i said, hey, sir, was that the time i saw you at arlington and you were upset? exactly when it was. upsetting language coming from a commander in chief. >> the story about your 5-year-old son just about does me in here at the beginning of

two hours. what do you think and feel about a 5-year-old having more empathy and understanding of service than donald trump? >> you know, anyone has more empathy than donald trump. he's just an ill man in that sense. it's part of the reason why trump despises the military. he doesn't want to use the military because it's trained and equipped to do these missions he's having them do it because he wants to drag the military into the gutter with him. this is a man who lied to avoid service during the vietnam war, a man who, despite his family being financially comfortable, none of his children did any kind of public service after 9/11 much less uniform service, and the lack of empathy is one of the reasons why trump should not be allowed to be commander in chief because of the likelihood he's going to abuse the men and women under his command and order them to do illegal things to other

americans, such as adam schiff and nancy pelosi who he wants the active dupive duty militarye care of. it doesn't apply to civilians. what's he suggesting? that they use force against congress? it's just absolutely a disqualifying statement. >> you have insight into the conversations happening among generals about what donald trump would do if re-elected to men like general milley and secretary mattis. >> they are extremely concerned, is my understanding. their strong preference is to stay out of politics. one didn't even vote, supported fdr and truman and didn't even vote. and that's why i don't think you

will see any endorsements. he could order general milley to be returned to active duty and prosecuted under article 88 which criminalizes the use of contemptuous words against the president and other elected officials. that would be a gross abuse of legal authority, but there's a statute, a regulation, they could use to do that, and they're very afraid he could do that. it's a crisis in civil military affairs if we start having political prosecutions by the military of retirees who have bravely spoken out against the president. >> mike schmidt, in hearing the last couple days of rhetoric from trump, i wonder if people -- you know, when you hear kelly's warnings about trump, it feels like it's about

trump. my sense from the last couple days, if i'm talking to kevin, is it as much as he would do to the institution he reveres, the active duty troops. can you talk about those concerns he has? >> i think this comes back to why kelly decided to speak out. kelly has obviously had a long period of time to come forward. there's a lot of people who wanted to hear from him. up to this point he had not really done much certainly in the election cycle. over the summer i tried to engage him on this and tried to get him to answer these questions and he told me to get lost, in a nice way. so what it was, what changes kelly's mind is what trump says just a couple weeks ago when trump says that he wants to use the military domestically. and as someone who has studied kelly and reported on his life, and i wrote this mini biography

of him a couple years ago, to kelly, the military/civilian divide goes all the way back to george washington. he believes george washington had this foresight to keep the military away from domestic politics in the way he told some soldiers that wanted to go down to the continental congress and make complaints during the revolutionary war, probably not getting the history 100% right, but this is something kelly looks back to washington on, eisenhower on, and he can recite the times the american military has been used domestically, the few times that it has, and he even, when he was a marine, a younger officer in the marines in l.a. he took over a battalion or a group of soldiers who had been part of going into l.a. during the riots in the early

'90s and he said that even though kelly hadn't been in charge of this unit, they complain constantly to him about the fact they had been used domestically, and that line to him was just too much and that's why he does the stuff that he's done in the past few days because it was trump saying this publicly and not just saying it as just some random politician, as someone seeking the presidency and saying this is what i'm going to do if i come back. >> there's a new ad out with some of your interview with general kelly. let me play that. >> do you think he's a fascist? >> he falls into the general definition of a fascist. the far right, authoritarian

ultranationalist political ideology movement characterized by a dictatoral leader, using the military to go after american citizens is a very, very bad thing. he admires people who are dictators, even commented that hitler did some good things, too. >> if he was left to his own devices would he be a dictator if he didn't have people around him? >> he would love to be. >> when somebody is the president, the authority is total. >> i'm kamala harris and i approve this message. >> what do you think? >> it's a very powerful ad. the conversation we had the other day, i think this is one of those key moments that i think can be determinative of this race.

i actually think as i was listening to this and as we've talked about this, it's a test of us, honestly, a test of us as american voters because who donald trump is, is exceedingly clear. he's told us who he is. in the last 72 hours with all of this outrageous stuff is that basically he isn't saying, no, that's not what i'm going to do. he basically says i don't like general kelly for telling people the things that i'm going to do. he hasn't denied this is what he wants to be in the course of this. it's a test of us as american voters. i was thinking by the time we get to election night and think about this. even under a scenario that the vice president wins, donald trump is going to get at least 5 million or 6 million more votes than he got in 2020. think about that. he's going to get 5 million or 6

million more votes, nearly 80 million votes. that is disturbing. what he wants to do is disturbing. the idea this test of us as americans and who we are and where we want to chart our path and what the constitution means and we have 80 million americans donald trump has clearly said what he's going to say and are voting for him is incredibly disturbing and means this work is going to go on long after election day. >> it'shaunting point but need to be said. your stories and your insight, your courage in sharing them, i'm sure this is not what you want to do. i appreciate you. thank you for joining us and starting us off. >> thank you. >> still to come from us, from

the newspaper, frankly, we started the show quoting from, the newspaper whose motto is literally democracy dies in darkness, today that newspaper decided to keep their readers in the dark about who they plan to endorse based on all this newspaper's insights and journalism. one former "washington post" editor called it spineless. a spineless decision that will embolden trump. later, what has been a central tenet and tonight harris will be in the state of texas. a backdrop to hit that message hard as that state is ground zero for the impact of donald trump's supreme court nominees and the extreme abortion bans. we'll preview her message at tonight's rally which features none other than beyonce. all those stories and more when "deadline white house" continues on this friday.

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>> the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people who have come in and are destroying our country, totally destroying our country, the towns, the villages, they're being inundated. i don't think they're the problem in terms of election day. the bigger problem are the people from within. we have some very bad people. we have some sick people, radical left, lunatics. and i think -- and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by national guard or, if really necessary, by the military. because they can't let that

happen. >> rev, my question for you, if the people who are here in this country that lead him to believe we are a garbage can, people he's described as poisoning the blood of america, if his critics in politics and journalism and the judiciary are worse than t? >> it means that we are to win this election. let's think about the fact that this man is saying out loud that he considers people who are seeking refuge in this country, and i think that has to be managed and dealt with, they're not garbage, they're human beings. to say we are a garbage can, we have to be taking garbage in, who decides the difference in those that seek to come here. his in-laws became citizens while he was president. are they garbage, or is it only for mexicans and venezuelans and

haitians, people of color? and then when you deal with the enemy within, who determines who the enemy within is? him. that's why you have to give respect to general kelly. i may disagree with him on a lot of things. i was not a military guy. when i was of that age, i would have been a conscientious objector. he believes those of us who may disagree with some of the foreign policy, trump apparently doesn't believe in what the country stands for, what the military is supposed to be. he believes in nothing but donald trump, and if we're going to have a president that is going to define enemies within based on how you react, relate, or talk about me, then we are going all the way into a question of fascism as general kelly said.

when you vote, we've been with this action network and i've been saying this is not about whether you like kamala or trump, you define who you are and what you believe in and vote for the candidate that is closest to representing what you believe in. so when you go in, you're not voting for harris, you're voteings for you, and this is your statement. i think to say it's all right with me talking about fascism, it's all right to mock military men, forget protesters, military men that put their lives on the line, and you co-sign that with a vote it tells us who you are. we already know who he is. >> mike, do you have any insights into why the other generallies, general milley and general mattis haven't

corroborated, none were the same incidents, but what they saw. >> i think what these generals are almost allergic to the politics. i don't think this was kelly's first choice. this is not something he wanted to do, and, i mean, he's obviously a grown adult who made his own decision here but it was something that i think we had to ask him a lot of times to do. and i think they also find themselves in the cross hairs of a political moment. this is the final week of an election in john kelly's name is out there amidst whether people will vote for donald trump or not, and if you're john kelly and you're someone who hates partisan politics, that is not a place that you want to be. john kelly is not someone who is making the rounds on cable television and is then going to

go sell a book. you can't find him. i don't know where he is. and, you know, there's no pictures of him. there's no -- we have this audio of him, and that's why i think the audio was so important to hear directly from him, but he's not sitting in front of the cameras. he's not going to go out on the campaign trail. and my guess is that he has very mixed feelings about all of this. and he sits there and probably says you know, i hate partisan politics. i can't believe my name is out there in all of this. i don't think he's particularly comfortable with it. if he was comfortable with it, you would see more of him. there was this quote today in "the washington post" that popped up from him -- >> hope springs eternal that some day he'll come talk to us. i understand the point you're making. matt dowd, i bring you in on -- and i think it's important to point out that these men aren't afraid of being punished. these are not men who scare.

it's not the court-martial, i don't think, my theory, that they're afraid of. it's what mike is talking about, it's their allergy to partisan politics, but i guess what i would say, and having the privilege to work in the white house, is that it is difficult to articulate the reverence for your son who also served and the miracle these days someone will look at everything that's cheap and easy and shallow and fun and decide, no, i'm going to go serve my country. i'm going to go stand on the line, and these men love them and that in ways that it gives their lives meaning. it probably gives them a sense of not wanting to tarnish that, that thing that is so precious to them. but that is exactly what donald trump is promising to destroy, because you put your son on the streets of texas to round up his

neighbors, that ruins a soldier's life. and i wonder what you would say as someone who knows this and knows this meaning to those generals who are holding out. >> it's interesting that you bring up my son, my son who did, as you say, two tours in iraq and he was actually in the first class of boot camp who enlisted knowing he would be sent to war. he knew he was going to be sent. he knew he was going to be in harm's way when he decided to join the army, because it was already happening in the course of this. and it's funny when i talk to him, just to make this a little personal, about just that service and what it is, they do it with a great deal of humility. they don't want to be thanked, and the other thing they don't -- they're not aggressive. most of them are not aggressive. they don't want to shoot people. they'll do it to protect others.

they'll do it to serve the country. they don't want to in the course of this. and somebody like donald trump, who everybody says has this appeal to young man, when he disparages their service, all three of my sons can't stand the guy and they can't stand the guy because he has no concept of service besides self. he has no concept of a service greater than self. and all of them believe, as i do as well, it's not only about the military, does he put family first before himself, does he put the country first before himself? donald trump, these statements and everything he's done is evidence he puts nothing first before himself. he doesn't even put faith in god first. faith in god is just like the military. it's a tool to be used to further his purpose, and people that have served in the military, by and large, who have

done it because there are many reasons they do it but they want to serve something bigger than themselves, have no idea how a person like donald trump could be commander in chief. they have no understanding how he could be commander in chief. >> for general kelly, that is so harrowing about suckers and losers, such a sting every time i read it or hear it, it's a gut punch. but to him it was the realization that sounded like he doesn't understand service or sacrifice. >> kelly says, look, suckers and losers is a terrible thing to say and he says it a lot of times and it's awful to hear. but the whole thing about what's in it for them in the sense he

didn't understand sacrifice and selflessness that kelly couldn't get his head around. and everyone has a different point with donald trump about something that shocks them and bewilders them, and for kelly, suckers and losers was awful but the idea of questioning the service and selflessness was something he could never understand and that he just kept on coming back to. >> and i think it says to someone like kelly i may disagree with but as a person if he looks at soldiers as being suckers for not doing something for them, then the general kelly has to say, well, you must be in the white house for something for you. i mean, because one would carry

over to the other. you only believe people should do things for them, so you're doing this for you, and what does that mean? and i may not want to identify with that because that's what he's speaking to, his own character. he doesn't do anything unless it's for him and he doesn't understand other people that don't operate under those same boundaries. >> and the thing that kelly says in the interview is that trump doesn't understand the united states. it's not just he doesn't understand the constitution or the rule of law but the basics, the idea of america and what that's all about. >> it's out there. thank you for being here to talk about this new interview in "the washington post" and for spending time with us today. up next for us, what it says when kamala harris endorsements are kept from the public, the reading public, in some of our

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slogan through their fearless reporting whether it be their extensive work uncovering the horror of the january 6 attack on the capitol in their backyard and donald trump's role in it that earned "the post" the pulitzer prize for public service or the reporting today that we spent the better part of an hour talking about, about donald trump's former chief of staff telling "the washington post" directly about his concerns that the ex-president would use the u.s. military against american citizens on u.s. soil. the work of "the washington post" has been elevated here, not that they need it, but it's been essential, especially when it comes to highlighting the threat donald trump poses to democracy and to the first amendment. and the backdrop of all of that, "the washington post" editorial board made a stunning decision that for the first time in 36 years "the washington post" editorial board will not endorse a candidate for president.

"the washington post" ceo will lewis writes this about the nonendorsement today. quote, we see it as consistent with the bias and what we hope for, character and courage in service and respect for human freedom in all its aspects. i don't even know what that means. joining us conversation npr media correspondent, david, is here who broke the story about "the washington post" this morning. before we start, let me play for you the person i think most americans most often associate with the journalism of "the washington post." >> well, you know, he will say things and do things again. maybe it's possible if he became president. one thing i have learned from writing about can presidents, as i said, going back to nixon, is

the extraordinary power in that office. the president can do almost anything, as we see daily, something comes up that really doesn't relate to presidential power and reporters, our colleagues, will ask the white house, what does the president say? what is the position of the white house on this? so count to ten the country better count to ten before they think about putting trump back in power. it would -- it's not political. it's not personal. it's organizational collapse. is this what people want, people who are business people, who run organizations, are in organizations? know the chaos that can be

created if there's no plan and there's no group of people working together. that's the promise of the trump presidency. >> so they may not have endorsed but we'll play that every day until the election if we have to. your understanding of how this came to be? >> sure. from what i'm told with three people with knowledge inside "the post," direct knowledge, the editor of the editorial pages, david shipley, had approved the direction of a draft editorial endorsing kamala harris, and, you know, essentially said, well, i have to take this up to the big boss. that means jeff bezos, the founder of amazon, the owner in total of "the washington post." now this isn't a break with tradition, a common practice of publishers and owners get a role in this. it's prerogative.

however, for the owner to decide not to endorse so close to election day is really a stunning move. it's particularly stunning in light of the recent history of "the post." bezos, despite his wealth, one of the world's richest people but one of the most important business figures in the united states, for all of his interest has been heretofore an exemplary owner, and in 2016 then publisher fred ryan didn't really want the paper to endorse hillary clinton, which seemed likely at the time. the editorial page end tore at the time considered resigning. jeff bezos response is, why wouldn't we endorse? this is a race between who? hillary clinton and donald trump, who "the post" had grave reservations about. since then "the post" has done crusading reporting from its news team about, just as you highlighted so deftally trump's role in office, covering accused

improprieties and alleged wrongdoings by then president trump and his circle and the editorial page has so often argued that since then trump has been proven unfit for office particularly in light of what happened in january of 2021. well, shipley came back this morning at his 11:00 meeting to tell his editorial board, in fact, what he had known for some days, which is bezos had vetoed that and said that he would not -- there would be no editorial endorsement from "the post. "it set off a firestorm inside the newsroom and you've seen online and in person outside the newsroom as well. >> can i show you what donald trump said yesterday about journalists and the press? >> sure. >> they're just bad people. and until we get a fair and free press in this country, they're just bad people. they're the enemy of the people.

they're the enemy -- i've been asked not to say it. they're the enemy of the people. some day they're not going to be the enemy of the people, i hope. >> i don't know jeff bezos but call and response, donald trump telling them not to be bad and jeff bezos saying, sir, yes, sir. >> i get a story about this very question yesterday, before even this played out at "the post" but acknowledging some trepidation within "the post" bezos might reach this decision, some sort of precensorship and trump has, both in light of what his actions were in government, which were often attempting to wound the parent companies or the owners of those media outlets he deemed insufficiently respectful, intervened to block the takeover of cnn's parent company by at&t, intervened the

defense department allegedly to block amazon receiving multibillion dollar contract with defense department. ultimately it was forced to give amazon part of the contract even though it gave all of it to microsoft. you've seen that he's willing to do that. well, just as you've highlighted for viewers on the campaign trail in 2022 he said he would jail reporters who refused to share confidential sources for government leaks, and this year he's been saying time and again he wanted to punish the three broadcast networks, cbs, abc, nbc, for various perceived elements of coverage or moderating debates or fact checking or other things he thought were disrespectful to him. ultimately he can't take away the networks' broadcast licenses, but he could gum up the works for the 80 local stations that those three networks own between them, and

what he's really indicating is directionally i'm willing to exact vengeance on those who cover me in ways i don't like. it is hard for many folks inside "the washington post" that i've spoken to over the last 24 hours and particularly in the last five hours to disassociate those threats from what they've seen play out today given bezos' interests above before the government. >> appeasing an autocrat has never worked. i need to keep all of you around. david, can you stick around? we have to sneak in a break. we'll all be right back.

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we're all back. matt dowd, if endorsements were strictly determinative, i think the outcome of most elections, or at least half of them, would be different. this isn't about the political impact of not endorsing. this is about something much bigger, and i want to read you -- i mean, timothy snyder's first page on tierney, bottom of the page, about acquiesing in advance. do not obey in advance. most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. in times like these individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want and offer themselves without being asked. a citizen who adapts in this way is teaching power what it can do. the "l.a. times" also decided not to endorse this week. there's trepidation as

journalists when you hear one of the two major party candidates in the 50/50 deadlocked race. but talk about the larger tectonic plates under all of this. >> sure. first, i want to say bravo to npr for their reporting on this and continued reporting. so thank you to them. i was thinking about this as a discussion. i've had tremendous respect for "the washington post" through my whole life, and i probably read "the washington post" every day for more than 40 years and, in many ways, interestingly, i'm the reason why the reason i'm in politics has to do with "the washington post." when i was a 13-year-old during watergate, i read "all the president's men" when it came out in 1974 and then watched the movie in 1976, and that hooked me on politics. when i was working for bush, round circle, i went to visit and have lunch with bob woodward

at his house in washington, d.c., because he was working on a book. i told him that, the circle has come full, it's come all the way around. i ended my subscription today to "the washington post" because of this, which is a sad and horrible thing. i think that whatever the motivation, whatever it happens to be, whatever it is, i think it's in various, in my view, nefarious because it's trying to appease somebody. what does he think the purpose of "the washington post" is? it's not to sway an election. that's not what their purpose is. their purpose is to say, is to sort of identify and protect the freedoms of america, including the freedom of press and the freedom to information and the freedom to truth. and if they can't tell the truth in an editorial about this presidential election about what the choice is, then how are any americans supposed to trust anything they say if they won't -- they republic fuse to tell the truth in an editorial about the president to the

american public? i don't understand, and he may have served -- there's great people that work for "the washington post." a lot of them are friends of mine and all of that, but this is an incredibly sad day for many of us who have held "the washington post" in great esteem who watching them abdicate their responsibility and, in my view, the most important election in modern world history, not just american history, in modern -- i can't think of a more important election than this election in modern world history, and they're stepping aside and not telling people what the choice is. >> matt dowd, where does the race stand right now? >> well, i still view this race as very stable. it's close. i think the vice president is up by around three points. that's where i think it is. i think she's ahead in a majority by small margins, a majority of the swing states in this. and so i think it all comes down -- this is like 2012. don't look at 2020.

don't look at 2016. look at 2012. and what happened in 2012 is the race was dead even, and then on election day, president obama won by four points because of turnout models. and i think the turnout models and the turnout organizations all favor the vice president in the course of it. though we perceive is might be even, i think in the end the turnout models show there's probably a three or four point advantage for the vice president, but it requires the work in the final 11 days. >> speaking of work -- >> i've been on the road. there seems to be a lot of work from the harris/walz camp, you don't see infrastructure on the ground with the trump campaign. one of the things i want to say about "the washington post" and the "l.a. times" nonendorsements is you wonder why with such a consequential election that you would opt out at this point, and

there's no way you can interpret them not taking a position in some way indirectly reporting this is not a consequential election or we would be weighing in and, therefore, you are in many ways attacking anything all of us are saying about donald trump because you're saying, no, we can afford to sit this out, especially "the washington post," which is "the new york times," "the washington post," papers of record, and the "l.a. times" in the largest city in the state kamala harris comes from. it looks like a rejection of your own former u.s. senator, former vice president, former attorney general. so what is the value then next time they make an endorsement? because then we're going to say, well, why are you endorsing now? you didn't then. i think they've devalued the impact and made suspect the impact of whatever endorsements they may opt to do in the

future. >> importantly, the only thing i would add is i've covered donald trump for nine years, the people that fold are the people he loaths. look at the way he abuses fox news. he doesn't even want their commercials to feature anyone critical of him. david, thank you for your journalism and for joining us to share it. the reverend al sharpton, matt dowd, the best of the best, thank you for spending the whole hour for me. vice president harris with 11 days to go in the great state of texas for what is expected to be a huge rally to protect women's reproductive health care. the next hour of "deadline white house" starts after a very short break. don't go anywhere. help: bulkamid and the relief can last for years. we're so glad we got bulkamid. call this number, today. get your bladder back. clem's not a morning person. or a... people person. but he is an "i can solve this in 4 different ways" person.

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a basic freedom has been taken from the women of america. the freedom to make decisions about their own body. and that cannot be negotiable. which is that we need to put back in the protections of roe v. wade, and that is it. the eye deep that someone who survives a crime of a violation to their body would be told they don't have the authority to make a decision about what happens to their body next, that is immoral. it is immoral. it is immoral. >> and we can reject it. hi again, everyone. it's 5:00 in new york. ruby red texas is probably not where political strategists might have expected the democratic presidential nominee to be 11 days out from election

day, but this race and the stakes for women and men and everyone living in it are anything but ordinary. as you just heard, vice president kamala harris has made the future of women's health and reproductive freedom in this country a centerpiece of her candidacy. following the supreme court's decision, the result of trump stacking the court with hand-picked pro-life justices, texas enacted an extremely restrictive ban prohibiting all abortions except to save the life of the mother and harsh penalties to any doctor who violates it. harris and her campaign have highlighted the stories of women who nearly lost their lives due to this extreme ban. some of those women will join her on stage tonight at the point rally in houston. houston-born beyonce will be joining the vice president tonight in the final days. harris is solidifying her campaign message around women's

rights and freedoms all across america reminding men and women, people young and old, that they are in danger with trump in office according to newly released excerpts from her speech, the vice president will say this. quote, let us be clear, if donald trump wins again, he will ban abortion nationwide. and though we are in texas tonight, for anyone watching from another state, if you think you are protected from trump abortion bans because you live in michigan or pennsylvania, nevada, new york or california or any state where voters or legislators have protected republic protective freedom, please know no one is protected because a donald trump national ban will outlaw abortion in every single state. that's why this is an issue we've seen transcend party affiliation in election after election after election in red state after red state since the dobbs decision. earlier this week we even heard

from conservatives, something i never thought i would hear her say, former congresswoman liz cheney on the topic. >> i think there are many of us around the country who have been pro-life, but who have watched what's going on in our states since the dobbs decision and have watched state legislatures put in place laws that are resulting in women not getting the care they need, and so i think this is not an issue that we're seeing break down across party lines. >> right. >> i think we're seeing people come together to say what has happened to women, when women are facing situations where they can't get the care they need, where in places like texas, for example, the attorney general is talking about suing -- is suing to get access to women's medical records, that's not sustainable for us as a country, and it has to change.

>> when your abortion policies and politics are so extreme that liz cheney is articulating exactly what is wrong with them, you have lost the hearts and minds of the entire ideological spectrum of american voters. abortion rights have already played a large role in other elections since dobbs. it's impact in november will be hugely consequential. it's still up to all of us. politico reports this, though, quote, for two years republicans have struggled to figure out how to message on abortion as waves of bans took effect across the country helping democrats win key gubernatorial, senate and legislative races. it is such a vulnerability for republicans that bill miller, a gop strategist in texas, predicted the election was entirely about abortion, harris would win his state. it is a winning issue for her, he said. if that were the only issue in the election, the election would not be close.

that's where we start the hour with some of our favorite experts and friends. amanda was the lead plaintiff in the lawsuit challenging the texas abortion ban and serves as a reproductive rights advocate for the harris campaign. amanda and her husband will be joining vice president harris tonight at the rally. also joining us, president of reproductive freedom for all is here and is attending the rally later as well and former gop communications director and co-founder and ceo of the seneca project is here. amanda, i even think that talking about abortion as though it's along the shelf with your five other policy preferences is a misread of a woman's body. anyone who has had a miscarriage and has suffered the grief can imagine what it would be like to have that grief compounded by an inability to access health care. and i wonder if you could just

talk about what it's been like sharing your story and your story about losing willow over the last year. >> yeah. first of all, thank you so much for having me back. it's great to see you. it's great to be here. but you're exactly right. anyone who has experienced miscarriage, loss, infertility, can tell you that that experience, in and of itself, is horrific and traumatic enough. to then compound that with being denied access to basic health care, in my case nearly dying and losing my fertility, some of my reproductive organs are permanently compromised, it's nothing short of inhumane. it is cruel, it's barbaric and, most importantly, it's unnecessary. it's entirely preventable, but donald trump and his extremist allies continue to crusade down this path to restrict women's rights. >> and they're not walking away from it, which is what's so

amazing. i mean, this is -- his position today is to be proud of his appointees, his position today is, i promised it, and the women are going to be so happy when i'm back. this is what vice president harris is going to say tonight about that. the attorney general of texas is suing the united states government so that texas prosecutors can get their hands on the private medical records of women who leave the state to get care. so, see, what is happening, donald trump will not let anyone see his medical records, but these guys want to get their hands on yours? simply put, they're out of their minds. talk about how out of the mainstream it is even for republicans to have these views that are literally killing women in georgia at least two, and i know you fought for your own life. >> well, i think what we're seeing is a lot of really hard work coming to fruition in helping people understand that

this is not -- this is not pro-life. nothing about this is pro-life. nothing about these policies are pro-life. this is harming people, it's harming women, it's harming families, and i think the word abortion was stigmatized and politicized for so long and we have slowly started chipping away at that stigma and we're helping see abortion is simply health care and we all deserve the right to have access to basic health care and it has been a long road, but i think people are finally starting to realize that and we're breaking down these barriers and helping people see this is a basic human right that is being taken away from americans and our country and we have to fight back and we're seeing people fight back. >> let me show you what the fight on the airwaves looks like, a new harris ad called he did it. >> for 54 years, they were

trying to get roe v. wade terminated, and i did it. >> he did it. >> it was pretty devastated. >> his bragging about the rights that he stole from american women and trump is promising to do more. >> in project 2025, they are restricting birth control -- >> tracking pregnant women, forcing nationwide abortion ban. >> the government should get out of my business. >> stay out of my business. >> it's not the government's business. >> in america, women make their own decisions. >> i'm kamala harris and i approve this message. >> when you change the name of your organization to include the word freedom, it seems sort of prescient to where this argument would go in the minds of americans. we talk about men understanding this issue more and more in part to amanda's husband, but i wonder what you make of this final closing message and the vice president's trip today to texas. >> as you know, i'm a texan, i'm from houston. this is my hometown.

i have to tell you, it's injecting a lot of hope and enthusiasm in folks that she's here bringing the fight to texas. more importantly, i want to go back to the quote you read from the gop pollster in texas, if abortion was the only issue we would be winning. abortion and reproductive freedom are the top most salient persuasive issue so we have a very small gap to close to make that argument in the final days. i think kamala harris being in texas is the beginning of her sweep of her closing argument. this fundamental freedom is emblematic of so many other freedoms. it's about abortion but it's not just about abortion. it's about democracy. it's about decency. it's about humanity. it's about ethics. it's about character. so it's really powerful that she will be here tonight with amanda and so many other story tellers. it really does make the case for who she is and what that clearer contrast is and what she will do

about the crisis that donald trump's abortion bans have created in our host state. >> i want to ask about something i think has been a blind spot. in 2022 this issue and its resonance and staying power were a total blind spot. everyone was predicting a red wave. it was the first time voters had a chance to weigh in on anything since dobbs, and it was, at best, a red tricklette, or whatever you want to call it. i think men are -- don't know if it's their place to speak out about this and probably don't talk to their friends about it and sure as hell wouldn't talk to a pollster about it. here is john legend talking about it on a podcast. >> my wife, she was well past 15 weeks when she had to have an abortion. she was miscarrying and bleeding out and all these things were happening to her -- >> her life was in danger. >> her life was in danger. and for the government to say,

we need to evaluate this to make sure you're sufficiently dying before you can have an abortion, that's what they're saying in texas and in georgia and in all these states where they have trump abortion bans. trump wants to claim credit for it but at the same time be like, i put it with the states. you put it with the states of texas, states of georgia, of alabama, of -- you put it with these states and, by the way, that's where most black women live in the south. >> in the southern states. >> in the south. >> that means the majority are in regimes that would possibly let them die before giving them a lifesaving treatment that they need. >> i couldn't have said it any better myself and i cover it most days. your thoughts?

>> how many husbands are speaking out on beep half of their lives, kudos to amanda's husband, to ryan hamilton who is also in texas. for us, the seneca product, we're a bipartisan women led organization, from the dad's perspective which no one else has done because we felt it was important to include the voices of men of those girl dads. the fact you have men who are natural inspectors and want to speak out, that's incredibly encouraging and it's powerful because then you're looking at this from a different perspective because it doesn't only impact women. yes, it impacts us directly.

this culture that he's running on is really a regressive view of gender dynamics and of the role of families and of men and i think it's an insult to a lot of men as well to think that that's how we view our women? it's insulting and donald trump is not a protector. he's a predator. and women can see that. elizabeth katie stanton said the best protection for a woman is courage and these women speaking out and telling their stories like amanda and others are courageous to do that. and the hundredses are pushing that courage as well because there is power be a agency in our voices and our stories being told. to see what the real life consequences are and of the extremism that maga is trying to foist on women is participate of their humanitarian views, participate of that fascism.

women don't have the option to opt out of our democracy. we can't just walk away. it's life-or-death for us. and a friend of your show, she's on my advisory board at seneca project, she wrote a whole chapter. so all these people who seem to think that donald trump doesn't mean what he says when he talks about the enemy from within and sicking the military and all these authoritarian fantasies he has, guess what, women are part of that enemy from within if they don't acquiesce to the subjugation maga wants to put us in. it's wrapped together. it is a powerful one because women are being underestimated

and we are going to save this democracy because we're going to come out in droves even those republican women who need that health care also because it doesn't matter what your political affiliation is if you're bleeding out in the parking lot of an emergency room or a hospital and a state that's criminalized women's health care. >> wow. can i bottle that up for the next 13 days? amanda, i want up to speak to something. i'm in awe of you for talking about this. i think anyone who has lost a child, to talk about willow and to talk about the retraumatizing of the loss when you can get health care. a lot of time the way through grief is action and the way through anxiety and fear is to try to do something.

i thought, wow, she's doing something on this issue for a long time. tell me what that has been like and if it's been participate of your healing. >> thank you, that's very kind and generous of you to say. it's definitely been healing for me to talk about willow, to use what happened to me as motivation for hopefully change, whether we're changing hearts and minds. turning grief into action has been very empowering, and all of the women i've met while on this journey would say the same thing. it's so motivating and it's really healing and, to be honest with you, nicolle, we're really mad. women like to take their anger and turn it into power, into action, and that's what we're doing and although it's not what we would like to be motivated by, it is a very powerful tool, and i think we're seeing it i go night the same desire to act and

to make change and not just women but men fathers, brothers, husbands. this is lighting people up and is setting the country up for a great movement and a great change and to elect our first female president. >> amanda, you made my day. thank you so much for starting us off. when we come back, millions of voters casting ballots well ahead of election day. it is, yes, a sign of planning, it's a sign of energy and engagement and activism that we're seeing across the country. we will be joined by wnba superstar renee montgomery who used her platform for social change as she has blazed a trail from the basketball court to the boardroom. and later bombshell new reporting about elon musk, the world's richest person and the guy tim walz calls donald trump's running mate, what we

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this is not 2016 or 2020. the stakes are even higher because, over the last years, and particularly the last eight years, they are more confused, more unstable, and more angry. you see it every day. he has become increasingly unhinged. it's either donald trump in there stewing -- stewing -- over

his enemies list, or me working for you checking off my to do list. you have the power to make that decision. >> you have the power. that's the closing message from vice president kamala harris from last night in georgia warning voters about what would be an unhinged and unchecked donald trump, just ask him if he were to return to the white house. the vice president is hoping her star-stunneded pitch to thousands helps to energize voters to get out the vote, it is a key state. it could help determine the outcome of the election and so far record-breaking number of more than 2 million people have cast their ballots early. that's about one-third of all eligible voters in georgia is expected to double before election day. joining our conversation, a friend we haven't seen in way too long, two-time wnba champion, now vp and co-owner of

the atlanta dream, renee montgomery is back with us. she's also the subject of a new documentary, a radical act. renee montgomery, we'll get to in a second. first of all, your sort of street cred in the world of politics is so understated, but you played a huge role in those two senate run-off races. i wonder if you can give us your expert take on where things stand in georgia right now. >> i mean, i think people have heard it before, but georgia is in play, right? i have to believe that georgia is in play. record numbers already just for the turnout and it's exciting to think about gen-z and the large amount already registered to vote for the first time. that whole concept of there's going to be new voices, so when people hear georgia, you may think of former georgia, you know, old school georgia, but don't forget that there's gen-z

that's pulling up. they say the south has something to say. i think gen-z might as well. it's exciting just to see the energy behind it because the main thing you want in all of this is just at least to have people make their voices heard, and right now with the numbers in the prevoting, the early voting and the mail-in voting, the numbers are there, so that's exciting. >> no matter who they ultimately vote for, everyone in georgia had to be a really smart voter. they passed a voter suppression law after the georgia election which was amazing because all the republicans swore up and down there was no voter fraud. but it's really a tribute to all of the voters of georgia that the turnout is what it is. it seems it didn't dampen, even if it's harder, it doesn't seem to have dampened the enthusiasm to vote. is that accurate or what are you seeing? >> i think sometimes when people try to stop you from doing something, it might make people want to do it a little bit more.

while in the act of trying to make things difficult, i think it opened up some light bulbs in people's minds, hold up, why are you trying to keep me so hard from voting? maybe this is something i should look into? i think even with the younger gen and the issues we're talking about, it seems like, you know, we're talking about things that don't apply to them but i think they're starting to realize the real-life situations, these are gen-z topics people are running on. when you talk about abortion, you're not talking about -- hey, listen, i'm all for everybody doing whatever, but i'm just saying this is a gen-z problem that can arise in a sense of they're going to have to live longer with these laws. they're going to have to be the ones that deal with the aftermath of what happens when. we keep on talking about project 2025. a lot of these are things gen-z should be concerned. we've seen "handmaids" and it's

not cute. i think gen-z is starting to understand they're the ones that's going to have to deal with the effects of all of this. >> it's such a good point. you've made it so perfectly. president obama is, i think, trying to get at the same thing. he has this new line in his speech where he says you may not be into politics but politics is into you. to try to put the supreme court in front of voters in the way that you did, it's such an important thing. you're going to have to live with the consequence of their lifetime appointments longer than anyone older than you will be. gen-z has some of the most informed voters. what are you seeing in terms of their enthusiasm for kamala harris? >> i think they see real. even the social media of it all. i'm on the twitter feeds and how information is given and is said usually politics, that's a term politically correct for a reason.

that means you say all the perfect, fluffy nice ways because you don't want to say it to hurt anyone's feelings. that's not necessarily the approach they went with. it was the same group behind the social media of biden and the harris administration you but a completely different style message. it will say things in the same way gen-z might say it and it's hilarious and has comic relief but is informative, so it's going viral every two seconds. i think there's a reason vp harris is going viral. people can relate to her, they're throwing her in different compilations. there's so much content going around about vp harris and her administration, and it's user made. they have a great social team, but what they're doing and the message they're sending out, this group is relating to it. they understand they feel like they can understand that it's easily digestible. i think those things matter because sometimes politics is not easily digestible. you can see by the things people

complain about and what people are mad about and who they're complaining to. you're not complaining to your local officials about things you're mad about. be mad at the right people so politics needs to be a little bit more easily digestible and the administration is doing a great job at in reaching gen-z. >> we love talking to you. it's such a smart point. i want to show the documentary but i have to sneak in a quick break. will you stick around? >> let's do it. >> we'll be right back. t back my luke would be a very different luke. look up. where you going? luke's mom: there's an incredible urgency to get your child into services, because the longer you wait, these motor pathways are set in stone. i knew he needed help. he needed these services. i'm almost there. yes, you are. you're so close. you're so strong. i'm gonna say hi. okay! let's say hi. hi! nolan's mom: none of my friends or people in our network have a child with these needs.

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i'm i was a part of the front facing what people saw. i knew what they liked. i knew what they didn't like. now that i'm co-owner and vice president, players know everything we do is what is going to be something they like to do, what's lit, what's sexy, what's dope? that's what players are, what wnba players are. they're ballers. you know, it's not easy being the first of anything because there's a reason you weren't -- there weren't any before you. >> there's a reason there weren't any before you. that was a clip from the new feature documentary about renee montgomery's trailblazing journey as the first player, not to mention two-time wnba champ

champion. it's called "a radical act" produced by lebron james and maverick carter. it follows her remarkable journey from childhood in west virginia to her career off the court as vice president and part owner of the atlanta dream. we are back with renee. this is so cool. tell us how this came to be. >> yeah, it probably started when i was talking to you, nicolle. it started when i opted out, and there was just a lot of energy around what was going to happen next, people wanted to see what happened with somebody that opts out of their job and chooses to go a different route. and we filmed for three years. that's why it's coming out now. we've been filming since they've been collecting archival footage. my mom, i've said it enough, but recording all the time when i was younger so young, coach

auriemma is there, talking to how i think and why i do the things that i do, a shoutout to our director because she put all of this together like putting my whole life into 1:44. >> we've called on up for so many things, for georgia specific state politics, for conversations about mental health and athletes. during the pandemic about loneliness. you always have authentic positivity. where does that come from and how do we get it? >> it comes from being in a situation your whole life. i'm 5'6". i listed at 5'7" but we don't play without shoes on. i've had people tell me my whole life things i can't do.

even coming from with west virginia, you may not compare to the new york hoopers, i've had to talk nice to me and i've had to talk good to myself and so now when i talk to people, i'm talking the same way i speak to myself. and so i think that's what a radical act is about as well in a sense of when you hear the word radical people hear such negative things. it is the definition and doing something that's an outlier and i think being positive and finding a way to find the good in a situation. of course i see the problems. i'm just focused on the solutions and i think that's what people don't understand. i see the problems. they're right there and we can see it. we see a problem right now in this presidential race. some people aren't seeing that problem, though. i see the solution. i see vp harris. i see something different. i choose to look at the forward thinking and that's radical. >> i love it. let me play some more from the documentary.

>> i've been the undersized underdog my whole life. now people are calling me an activist. when you look back at it, my upbringing was bringing me to that point. i was trying to do something that was going to change everything. i hadn't seen where a player goes from straight player to owner/exec. >> she felt she could be more effective off the court than on the court. >> i thought this was the land of opportunity but not just any land of opportunity. in atlanta it seems like the land of black opportunity. >> it gives me chills. tell me about the conversations as a white ex-republican woman i would have no idea what's real. tell me what's been going on. that's been so much talk about black men, and i'm of a few minds. why does it fall to black men

and women to save the country. we should carry our load. and i feel it's possible the gender divide is sweeping up everybody, that it doesn't know any racial lines, and i just wonder what your take is on this moment in politics and the conversations that are happening on and off tv. >> yeah, well, first of all, nicolle, you're invited to the cookout, white ex-republican lady and all. you're invited to the cookout. i think it's interesting because the question that i think a lot of us are having is if you have problems and issues with vp harris and you have these standards and these questions and this research you want to do on vp harris and why she's qualified or why you may think she's not, are you asking those same type of questions and that same requirement and doing the same research on the other candidate trump? because if you are, i'm curious the results of that search, because i can't imagine that if you have the same type of

prerequisites that you need for somebody to be a good leader, the same type of standards, the same type of moral, ethic anything, how do these two align? whenever there is a disconnect, i always like to just figure out where is it in the process, like if you're judging two candidates, are you judging them the same way in is your process the same for both candidates? surely i have the same question for both candidates, but i'm only seeing it asked to one candidate. when you look at what they've done and their history, it speaks for itself. look, i'm sports. so if i have a candidate that's used to winning, if i have a coach that's used to doing things the right way, if i'm playing for an organization that doesn't do corrupt things, i would feel like that would align with my brand. but if you're looking at someone else that doesn't align, why would you think they're an option to run the country? i think those things -- there has to be a connect. when i hear about the disconnect

whether it's gender or not, i see the disconnect in how you're doing your research or processing these candidates. surely you can't be processing them the same way. >> you're getting at something so central to everything that's happened, the asymmetry, the flagrant bigotry of no expectations when it comes to donald trump, as long as he remains dressed, yeah, yeah, i guess. it's so great to talk to you. please come back often. >> i appreciate it. >> we love it. >> i'll see you at the cookout, nicolle! >> please, call me as soon as we get off. i will be there. i will fly there. anything to be there. the documentary is called "a radical act" available to stream for free on the roku channel. when we come back brand-new reporting about secret phone calls between vladimir putin and the man doing more to elect donald trump as president than anyone ever, elon musk. the story is next.

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i did a very midwestern euphemism the other day when i was talking about elon being donald trump's running mate and jumping around like a dip [ bleep ] on stage and it popped out. a lot of people, i did not know this, don't know what that is. trust me, it's what he is. >> i've reached my quota for the week so use your imagination about what was bleeped out. one can joke about elon musk being donald trump's real

running mate, but understand just how alarming all of this is especially given what "the wall street journal" reported today that elon musk has been a regular contact with russian president vladimir putin since late 2022. from that report, quote, the discussions confirmed by several current and former u.s., european and russian officials touch on personal topics, business and geopolitical. once asked to avoid activating his star link service over taiwan as a favor to chinese leader xi jinping according to two people briefed on the request. musk didn't respond to requests for comment. the billionaire has called criticism from some quarters he has become an apologist for putin, quote, absurd, and said his companies, quote, have done more to undermine russia than anything. retired u.s. army lieutenant colonel alexander vinman, a former director for european

affairs for the national security council. former republican congressman, msnbc analyst david jolly is here. colonel, your thoughts? >> well, i'm glad you clarified these are the secret phone calls elon musk is having and not that donald trump was having. clearly putin has a type. he likes narcissists and ego maniacs he knows as a case officer he could pander to and manipulate to do his dirty work. we are under attack. russia has been using different levers, whether that's corruption networks. in this case it's influencers like donald trump, like elon musk, to really kind of sow discord. it's troubling with elon musk in this case because elon musk has access to state secrets. he has top-secret security clearance. some of that is seeping through. he has really strict obligations

to report his contacts with vladimir putin who is also under sanction, so elon musk may be in violation of law, and either way, putin has been effective in playing both trump and elon, and he's been using the richest man in the world to do his bidding, encouraging that's not speculation. we see how far in elon has gone and then using twitter and disinformation platform so this is not some sort of far off distant threat. this is going to impact our elections. it's a national security threat. >> you talked about putin's type including elon musk and donald trump. say more because it also includes tucker carlson who has a bizarre fetish with daddy spanking a little girl, something he said in public from a podium this week, and jd vance, who has a bizarre belief

and world view that women should stay in violent marriages. talk about why these men just happen, maybe coincidentally, to parrot putin's talking points when it comes to the war in ukraine. >> it's not really coincidental. we're talking about a very practiced kgb officer who served through the rank of lieutenant colonel as a case officer, and in that capacity was trained to suss out the ways to engage his target, his agents, and he's using trump and elon as his agents, and, in this case, he's just using their own egos, their own vanities, the fact that by engaging with putin they are feeding their egos to manipulate them and message them. in the case of elon, it looks like he's directed him to inhibit the expansion of

starlink to taiwan, potentially he's inhibited him to provide support, even the commercial support, to ukraine through starlink, and he's done that -- i think he's also effectively manipulated trump and elon with saber rattling. they are not skilled. so his warnings that somehow this is going to trigger a nuclear war are the same things that you hear both trump and elon and tucker carlson parrot. so he's just effectively manipulating them and using them as useful idiots. >> david, to the political layer of this, there's strength, which you see in general john kelly's courage of stepping out of a sh you see in general john kelly's courage of stepping out of a nonpartisan role to sound the alarm for the american military, saying that what trump wants to do to them by pursuing the enemy

within, with the military, is a dangerous fascist thing to do. and then there's artificial foe strength, which is what you see in men like musk and trump and vance and tucker carlson. how do we get to the republican party being taken over by the fabricated strength of those men? >> it's such a great comment, nicolle. one of the great ironies of trumpism is for all the bluster and bravado and masculinity, on the world stage, donald trump's foreign policy is actually one that projects american weakness. by donald trump suggesting he would turn the military on our own citizens, but he doesn't want the military to go after russia when they march through ukraine. jd vance articulating this week that trump/vance answer on the russia/ukraine war is basically surrender, to abandon the values of the west and abandon the interests of the united states. that's not american strength. that's not american greatness.

it's americans weakness. the trump/vance foreign policy is essentially american weakness and it's masked by this toxic masculinity, whatever you wim, this fake strength they profess, but the danger, and i think this is so important, the danger in the musk situation is both he's a pawn of vladimir putin, but he's an ally of donald trump. and recall donald trump, we know the danger, the russia stories and so forth, but recall after helsinki, where donald trump once again abandoned the values of the west. he spent two hours with vladimir putin himself, one-on-one, nobody knows what was said. as senator mark warner said at the time, if donald trump is willing to disavow the interests of the united states publicly in front of the american people, imagine what he does behind closes doors one-on-one with vladimir putin. now you have someone like elon musk whose values probably align more with putin and trump than anyone else with the capability of running shuttle diplomacy between the two should donald trump end up back in office.

this is a dangerous moment of weak leaders in the gop, but a dangerous moment for the nation as well. >> and we're all watching it happen. it's unbelievable. alexander vindman and david jolly, thank you for joining us so we could get this story on today. another break for us. we'll be right back. all of the s of original medicare, plus extra coverage and benefits. with a humana medicare advantage plan, you could get doctor, hospital and prescription drug coverage in one convenient plan. most plans include routine dental, vision, even hearing benefits. there's also a cap on your out-of-pocket medical expenses. that's more than you get with original medicare. and humana offers zero-dollar or low monthly plan premiums. so, call now to see if there's a plan in your area that could give you extra coverage and benefits. a knowledgeable, licensed humana sales agent will explain your coverage options. even help you enroll over the phone.

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