they have a platform and agenda and policy specifics to offer people to talk about rather than vibes that trump and j.d. vance are selling to whatever degree successful. >> yes. sort of tax cuts of the day, possibly trending towards a plan to reinstitute the u.s. government as constituted in 19, 1893 with a tariff and no income tax? talking about that. thank you, both. . >> that is all in, alex wagner starts this evening. >> i will just say, i know j.d. vance and trump are rising on vibes, you know who runs on vibes? beyonce. do you know who she will perform for in the next few minutes maybe half an hour? kamala harris that is, i think, heavy on the vibes. good vibes. >> have a great weekend.

>> you, too. it is 9:00 on the east coast and 8:00 p.m. in houston, texas where we are awaiting the one and only beyonce knowles-carter who is about to take the stage. now, vice president hair sis down in the lone star state as an effort to put abortion rights back at the center of this campaign. her campaign released a statement calling texas ground 0 for the nation's extreme abortion bands. saying more than any other state the nightmare playing out in texas for women is the harm that trump's abortion bans have caused across the nation. to that end, the harris campaign released two new ads focusing on trump's abortion bands, here is a look at one of them. for 54 years they were trying to get roe v. wade terminated and i did it. >> he did it. >> it was pretty devastating. >> his bragging.

>> bragging about the rights he stole from american women and trump is promising to do more. in project 2025. >> restricting birth control. >> tracking pregnant woman. >> enforcing a nationwide abortion ban. >> the government needs to get out of my business. >> i am kamala harris and i approve this message. >> harris campaign released a second powerful ad featuring a texas woman named andrea, denied an abortion after suffering pregnancy complications and nearly died of a septic infection as a result. donald trump was also in texas today where he sat for an interview with pod caster joe rogan saying texas is ground 0 for his signature policy issue, immigration. now, all of this comes on the heels of the final pre-election poll from the "new york times," showing harris and trump tied

nationally at 48% each. that poll found abortion rights and immigration were tied as voters second biggest concern in this election after the economy. we are going to be closely following what both campaigns are doing throughout this hour. joining me now is civil rights attorney and former president and director of council of the naacp legal defense fund. it is great to see you, thank you for being here tonight. i know you are probably anticipating with great eagerness beyonce taking the stage. i will say the timing, the event is slightly delayed and it is a testament to the challenging role kamala harris has to play as the democratic presidential nominee in the final stretch of the campaign and also the vice president of the united states who is reportedly and quite obviously dealing with a situation in the middle east. we have a read out from the

white house she was briefed on the israel retalitory strikes, maybe that explains a delay. walk and chew gum is an under statement when it comes to the task at hand for kamala harris. let me get your thoughts of going behind enemy lines, the reddish state of texas making a case for abortion, what do you think of that strategy? >> i think that was, i think it is really important. frankly, alex, you know that texas is a state that democrats have not been able to turnout. six million voters that did not vote. it sleses about convincing people who support trump to support harris and more about getting those registered voters who have sat on their hands to come out and understand what is at stake. in that sense, tonight, vice

president harris pulled into the situation room to be briefed on what is happening with israel and iran is part of that. there are a lot of talk about if the vice president is a leader, much of it in my view at least with views about women and leadership. particularly in the military lane. and i think the fact that she is being briefed tonight is an important part of this. i do think that people around the world, including benjamin netanyahu are not afraid she will be weak. i think they are afraid she will be strong. this is part and parcel of what she is showing the nation and has been showing the nation over the past few months. >> you make a great point, how she is trying to motivate part of the electorate that might sit on their couch and sit out the election. we have advanced look at the

remarks that she will be making although we are in texas for anyone in another state if you think you are protected from trump abortion bans because you live in michigan, pennsylvania, nevada, new york, california or any state where voters or legislators have protected reproduction please know, no one is protected. the national band will outlaw it in every single state. i feel at the final stage of the campaign it is urgent message to get out. i am not going to say an overconfidence? it feels like the issue of abortion lost a little bit of the urgency in the states where there have been protections in the state constitution or the state legislatures and the vice president is making a good point there. a national federal abortion ban that can easily happen in a trump second term will effect these united states. what do you think about, you

know, under scoring the urgency of that, sherrilyn, and what the vice president needs to do? >> reporter: it is so important, i think the only piece missing is the reason that we are here and the reason that we have, you know, some confidence that if donald trump signed the national abortion ban that it would outlaw abortion around the country. it is because there is a supreme court, you know, with three members appointed by trump who have demonstrated their willingness to allow these kinds of abortion bans to go forward. and it is dangerous for women all over the country. but, you know, fill in the blank, alex. we can say this about everiing to do with donald trump. donald trump wants to punish his enemies, prosecute those that he thinks oppose him. there are people in, you know, your industry in the legal profession who also believe they will be immune from that. and the truth is, no one is immune. today we heard that "the

washington post," did not post an editorial opposing trump and endorsing vice president harris because, perhaps, there is the story, the owner is worried about losing business deals if trump becomes president. all of the people who are cowering right now are convincing themselves that on the other side of this they are not going to face the wrath of trump. but a dictator is never satisfied. and a dictator like trump would likely be who needs congress assistant obeseance will not stop. no one can believe they are above this everyone should understand sooner or later it will come for them. one holding together as a nation. i, too, would like groceries to be cheaper. most importantly i would like to live in a democracy. so, first thing's first, it is important for americans to be mature in this moment, to face and to confront what the

reality is, the danger is that we are facing. and do what is necessary to protect the republic. i think kamala harris has been making a great case for that. her calling donald trump a fascist was important. the tip toeing does not help anyone. let's get the fight on the terms that it belongs, let's talk about this on the battlefield appropriate to the moment. i think harris is really closing her case with that in mind. >> yeah, you know, the great historian tim snyder reminds us on the day "the washington post," and the l.a. times the week that l.a. times both declined to make an endorsement, bucking decades of tradition that authoritarism does not start with pitchforks about acquiescence. it is important when you are

talking about our united states. we have a split screen here. you will see the stage in houston. willie nelson just finished playing, jessica alba took the stage. there are a number of stars but there are woman that we are told by the harris campaign that have stories, horror stories their own reproductive challenges that will tell their stories tonight. one of the things that really distinguishes the conversation that we are having nationally about abortion is from other moments when the issue has been on the front burner. is the fact that women and their experiences have been placed front and center and that one of the ways democrats have really underscored the urgency and the sort of wrenching horror of these abortion bans is by telling the stories of what happens to normal everyday folks as they navigate a landscape that is

adulterated. there is a new ad out by the harris campaign, i was struck in a season of really just powerful story telling, this to me is maybe the most powerful ad they put out. this is about andrea. a young woman who very much wanted to start a family. let's take a listen to that ad. ♪. >> a blanket. >> first of all, i am the one that got rid of roe v. wade. >> do you believe in punishment for abortion. >> there has to be some form of abortion. >> for the woman? >> yeah, some form. >> women will be happy, healthy, confident and free. you will no longer be thinking about abortion. that is all they talk about. abortion. you will no longer be

abandoned, lonely or scared. you will no longer have anxiety. you will be protected and i will be your protector. >> sherrilyn, her story, with trump praising his decision to end a woman's right to choose is powerful stuff, what is your reaction to it? >> you know, my reaction watching this alex is that we are in such a powerful political and cultural moment. you know, women have been conditioned to remain silent about a part of our live that is so important. we start out as girls being quiet about getting our periods. we don't talk about publicly about abortion. we have been taught not to do

that. women don't talk about miscarriages, people say i did not realize how many people have miscarriages, we don't talk about menopause. over the last two years we heard women talking about all of those issues, they think they are scoring when they are talking about tampon tim walz or trump saying you are going to be protected. women are feeling a liberation. we are finding a voice about our sexuality and our health that we have been trained to keep out of the public square and we have a right to talk about it. and, so, hearing that testimonial and then hearing trump over it, interestingly his voice is louder, harsher, it is more certain and yet hers is the voice that rings in your ear. it is truth. it is the truth of lives that many women lead. it is time we talk about this front and center. you know, when you read the supreme court dobbs decision and all of stuff about the 1700s and what happens in the

1700s and all of this stuff. if one thing is coming out of this, it is the boldness of women prepared to talk about their health and their reproductive health and talking about reproductive health care as health care. that is something that is powerful and important. we could have no better ambassador. you can see this with vice president harris, she came alive after the dobbs decision, she is able to speak about this issue in a way that is so powerful and so authentic that it has touched every other aspect of her public presentation. she has truly stepped into this moment and has made it her own and made it a moment all women can embrace and be a part of. whatever our age and whatever our history. we all have heard the stories, we know the stories to be true. i don't think you will be able to put it back in the box. that has to motivate, i think, many women as they think about

who they are going to vote for. >> yes. >> kamala harris is certainly going to make the moment her own tonight, you can see the live shot down in houston. this is the focus of her closing message tonight. sherrilyn it is so great to have your deeply thoughtful analysis tonight as we wait for harris to take the stage. thank you for taking the time this friday night, i really appreciate it. >> thank you, thank you, alex, good night. we are continuing to monitor the stage down in houston where beyonce and harris are getting ready to take the stage. we will be right back after a quick break. hang with us back after a quick break. hang with us >> woman: why did we choose safelite? we're always working on a project. while loading up our suv, one extra push and... crack! so, we scheduled at safelite.com. we were able to track our technician and knew exactly when he'd arrive. we can keep working! ♪ synth music ♪ >> woman: safelite came to us. >> tech: hi, i'm kendrick. >> woman: with a replacement we could trust.

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. a live look at the shell energy stadium in houston, texas where the harris campaign is holding one of the biggest rallies of the campaign season in the final stretch of this race. you are looking at amanda zerosky, a prominent voice on the issue of abortion, telling her personal struggles telling her personal story. >> i want to tell every last voter including each and every man out there. that this is our fight, too. the decision about -- [ cheers and applause ] >> that's right. that's right.

and the decision about if and when to start a family should be ours to make not donald trumps, not ted cruz' [ cheers and applause ] that is why we need to elect vice president harris, representative allred and democrats up and down the ballot to restore our reproductive freedom. okay. joining me now is my msnbc, co- host of the weekend and castro, former secretary of housing and urban developments. thank you very much for being here tonight. simone, first, let me get your thoughts as the campaign expert here. the in addition that harris has

gone to texas which is sort of the geographical equivalent of going on fox news to make her point. going down to texas to make a case for abortion and the choice at hands, not just in red states but bleut state. the vice president will talk about abortion bans and trump federal a borg ban effecting everybody in this country. she is trying to underscore the importance of the issue and the urgency of the issue as voters head towards the ballot. i wonder what you think about the sort of, the set piece of making that case down in texas. as you started speaking it was allred, running as a challenger in the senate race against ted

cruz this cycle and a mabda zurawsky spoke before them. putting an issue on a lightning rod for families and people across the country and also really a boom for democrats when it comes to their efforts to take back the house and believing texas is a pick up opportunity for them in colin allred. something deeper happening as well. i have been listening all day, alex, people talk about on the tv, on the papers, on the social media, democracy an argument? i don't know if democracy is an argument, but the economy, ugh! in every place in the south across this country but for virginia if you are a woman and you go into a hospital, an emergency room and you need

emergency care they are going to give you a pregnancy test. i don't know if people know that. they give it to you if you ask for one or not before they decide how they are going to treat you. every state in the south but for virginia if you are pregnant there are, there are just some treatments you will not be able to receive. even if your life is at stake. that is what we are talking about here. this is not a conversation for women all across this country especially women in texas living in ground zero of this for so long. and, so, that is what we are going to see tonight. the vice president put a spotlight on this. everyone is excited about beyonce performing but beyonce had a brush with a pregnancy scare and an issue with the health care she received at the hospital. this is an issue that cuts across socioeconomic lines, it effects women across the board,

frankly. we are talking about people's lives and livelihoods and the ability to make their own decisions. that is what is poignant here. >> as you mentioned colin allred, in the fight against ted cruz. i want to take a little listen. let's dip in. something that i know for sure is everything is bigger in texas but ted cruz is too small for texas. [ cheers and applause ] he is too small. he is too small for texas. you know what small people do? when you lose an election you think, i am going to try to overturn that election. i know many of y'all know where you were on january 6th. i know where i was. i was on the house floor doing my job. i remember when they locked all of the doors. we barred the boors, the president walks through to

deliver the state of the union with furniture that is usually used to have paper. i texted my wife who was seven months pregnant. whatever happens i love you. the only former linebacker in the room and there is a mob at the door. everybody is like what are you going to do colin. i went to public school in texas, i am not just going to sit there. [ cheers and applause ] so, i took off my suit jacket. took off my suit jacket and i was prepared to defend the house floor from that mob. that is what happened. at the same time after he had gone around the country lying about the election, after he had been the objector to the results in arizona, ted cruz was hiding in a supply closet. that is okay. that's okay. i don't want him to get hurt by

the mob. the point is, there should not have been a mob. there should not have been one. if you summon one and you run for the united states senate you are going to lose your job. that is what you got to do. and he is too small for texas because when 30 million texans are relying on him when the lights went out. he decided to go to cancun. can you imagine that? can you imagine that? can you imagine that? if your neighbor needed help in a crisis you would go and check on them. can you imagine having the privilege and responsibility of representing our great state and a crisis hitting our state and you need to check out the ritz carlton in cancun, you wouldn't do it. i tell you if you did and ran for congress again you are going to lose your job. that is what is going to

happen. [ crowd chanting ] >> lose your job! >> lose your job! >> i have to ask you, given, given your experience in government and you are a son of texas what you make of the colin allred and ted cruz match up? you just heard colin allred saying ted cruz is too small for texas and recalling january 6th and saying is i don't know if we knew this that ted cruz was hiding in a supply closet, according to colin allred. i had not heard that before. there is always hope in democratic hearts about unseating ted cruz in the senate. can you give us an honest assessment where you think the race is. what is happening with the democratic majority in texas that has not yet come to

fruition. texas went from 2012, to barack obama losing it by 16 points to 2020 joe biden losing it to donald trump by 5.5 points. in trump's first midterm, 2018, allred and fletcher took two swing districts in the dfw and houston area in the state house democrats gained 12 seats and two state senate seats and it is basically held constant since then. so, texas very much has been moving to the middle. now, in this race, colin allred is three to four points behind according to the polling but i think he has a legitimate shot. i will tell you why, ted cruz is probably the least likeable statewide politician maybe other than the attorney general paxton. so, i think he is the most

vulnerable. and a few years ago republicans did away with straight ticket voting in texas. that means, you know, where you can go in and say no, i am just voting all republican. now you have to go race by race, campaign by campaign. i think there are descent number of republicans and we started to see some republicans come out in the last couple of weeks endorsing allred. but a good number of republicans that may vote for donald trump, even but going to skip the race for cruz or skip against him or vote for libertarian. would not surprise me at all if it is a super tight race. i think that he has an outside shot of winning the race here in texas. >> can you weigh in on colin allred and compare him if you might of texas appeal to o's

rouke? >> i think that he did a lot of work to bring the democrats in the position they are right now. he was close to winning the race when he was in the senate race. in texas, i do believe there issue of abortion and voting rights, colin allred talks about how he was a nfl linebacker and a civil rights lawyer. texas is ground zero for many of the voting rights, texas state legislatures who in 2021, democrats who organized a walk out if you will off of the floor to keep their republican

counterparts from passing particular voting not voting rights, legislation. and it became a national story. it is ground zero for many of the different fights that colin allred is unique to speak to. democrats, republicans, independents, regular folks that are not tuned into it every day. they have a chance. democrats nationally think he has a chance. the dnc will not put money where they don't think it will make a difference. >> i wonder if you could weigh in on the issue of reproductive choice in terms of how resinating it is in latino in texas. they overtook whites as the largest population in the state. certain issues they tend to be, you know, there is, i think, a mischaracterization of a lot of communities of color in this country but because they are latinos they are going to vote

democratic, they are more socially conservative. i wonder how the issue of abortion, highlighted as it is by the democratic candidate how does it play in the latino voting block in your state? >> reporter: i think the characterization of latinos and latinas has opinion because it is a community of faith they tend to be more socially conservative. especially coming out of 2020 race where some parts, some counties in south texas that is heavily hispanic, went more for donald trump than they had four years earlier. that sort of strengthened that idea. however, what we see in different parts of the country including in texas on polling and voting on abortion that they are not nearly as conservative as they have been characterized as. if it is in arizona or nevada where they will have ballot issues to vote on or in texas i

think people would be surprised that majority of latinos actually say no. they support preserving the right to an abortion, at least under certain circumstances and, so, that gives an opportunity in texas even to highlight this issue. they are known to be very extreme and anti-abortion. >> i want to bring in michigan state -- i am interested to see how you are looking at the event that the harris campaign is staging in houston where they are trying to put abortion and reproductive choice back on the front burner in messaging of the homestretch of this campaign. we know from advanced remarks that the vice president is

going to talk about the fact that even if women find themselves in states with better abortion protections than certainly in texas. that they should pot feel any sense of comfort or that is an insurance policy against trump abortion ban. if trump is the president, once again, a federal abortion ban will effect every single state. can you talk to me about how that is in your state and if the efforts tonight will reach the voters in your state. >> alex, absolutely. it will. something that has been so gulling about trumped approach to abortion is an idea he sent it to the state that is what everybody wanted. so, now we live in a country depending on your state boundaries you may not have access to the fundamental right of decides if and when is right

for you to get pregnant or the security to know if that pregnancy goes wrong, which it does so much more often than most people realize, you have access to health care. we had a 2022 ballot initiative t collected more signatures than any other issue in state history. michigan, women that i talked to downriver that have been trending away from democrats it is still an issue. you know, we don't live in a bubble where we only read about michigan. we are reading about amber thurman in georgia and sharing the story of finding his wife collapsed on the floor when she was denied care at the hospital. we read stories about a 10-year- old girl from ohio having to cross the border into indiana, two of our neighboring states after she was raped and found

herself pregnant. there is a very deep sense here in michigan that we worked so hard for a right can be stripped away for us once again for the second time in a short number of years. woman and frankly their families are fired up. for the vice president to go in texas just sends the message it is a national issue. women's rights are universal. it should not matter where in this country you live. >> that, to sort of put a finer point on that very key observation, mallory, the event has 30,000 attendees according to the latest report from the harris campaign. and, you know, it is quite obvious that when you put beyonce on the stage the beginning and end of this event do not stay what happens in texas does not stay in texas. there are 30,000 people who will see it live. this will be seen and clipped

on social media across the internet in the final days of this campaign. clearly exactly what the harris campaign is going for. symone we are going to hear shortly, we are waiting for, i think, andrea, the woman in this very powerful harris campaign add abortion -- campaign ad abortion and beyonce's mother will take the stage. as we wait for them i don't know if you read about this, there is one of the more galling incidents and there are so many of trump's misinformation and disinformation. there is a new pac called the rbg, as in ruth bator ginsberg. to help trump win voters --

ruth bader ginsburg t. has a photo of the two of them together. you will see on the screen, great minds think alike. this is, this is a caption from the ad. they have launched two abortion themed ads. designed to fool people who care about abortion rights into believing trump does not have an extreme agenda on the issue of choice. what, first of all, what is your reaction and second of all does that concern you? >> if i had edges, alex, they would be snatched. i just, it, i want to say it is unbelievable but then i think about, i go back to i am a fellow in georgetown and i teach my class on mondays, this past monday one ever the things that came up was donald trump as we were discussing our news of the day and his stance on abortion. one student said there are strategists and reporters who would say he moderated his

position on abortion this cycle if you just look at what he said. and i was like -- well, if we just go off of these random statements, sure. but i guess i can see how someone can make that case. that does not line up with the reality of what we know to be true given everything donald trump has said and what he has done previously and what he is saying he will do. i just, i think that this is, this type of misinformation it can be effective unfortunately. there are people out there, people who know better, well meaning people, who will say i don't know, i heard trump and he wants to be the protector of women. he said he was told about ivf and now i am with it. this is why people can not just read the headlines and we need to be specific so people can make informed decisions. >> yes. i. >> do i need to remind people, i am sorry that i have to. the new sort of cheer at trump

rallies is "daddy dawn" positioned himself as a father figure who is going to take care of the little ladies and spank the naughty 15-year-old daughters. that is according to trump ally and surrogate carlson in a disturbing and perverted speech earlier this week. i want to focus on the polling, it says 12% of voters said they would vote for both trump and an abortion rights referendum. how do you read that? >> i mean, alex, it is hard to -- i would love to sit down and talk at length to the 12% of people. you will not live in a world where trump is president and

you have abortion rights. but, really, trump is not even pretending anymore and neither is tucker carlson or any of these guys that are up there on stage for trump and out there campaigning for him. this is a guy who likes to play the role of an authoritarian and apparently there are some people who respond to the strong man character. i guess that should not be surprising. it happens all over the world. but i think for so long in the united states we thought that kind of thing would not happen here. so many people would not follow somebody who plays up this character. but that has been trumps bread and butter in politics now for a decade. it is not surprising. it is just this time the stakes are even higher. and the evidence of what he would actually do, what a threat he is to democracy is clearer. and, you know, i think that when you look at the crowd out

there tonight in houston that is america. that is a coalition of people. that gives me home that kamala harris will pull out this election. she has a big tent, she has a diverse coalition of people, of different backgrounds in all of the swing states that are reflected there tonight in houston. i believe that will prevail over this dark vision of trump and his allies. >> i think there is also, to that end, there is an interesting numbers on the importance of abortion. not getting as much attention. again, the "new york times" polling today among likely voters in the united states, the most important issue for them, 27% of them is the economy, abortion, also nearly,

it is 15% tied with immigration. it is in, it is one of the top, it is in the top two tiers of issue of importance. the thing that should be disturbing to everybody is the gender divide over it, right? only 6% of men say it is the most important issue where as 24% of women say it is the most important issue. mallory do you have thoughts on the gender gap on this? given the extraordinary effort democrats made to bring men into this issue. it takes two to tango in terms of reproduction. and the ads playing that feature the pain felt by husbands in miscarriages and in these wrenching reproductive decisions that need to be made in context of it. there is amanda zurawsky appearing with her husband to

make their story be made. it still feels in this polling very divided in terms of gender. >> you know, it is interesting. i would challenge that polling a little bit. i spent a lot of time talking to young voters. i spent the past weekend with college democrats from colleges all around michigan who descended on michigan state. i talked to young men, granted these are young democrats, but men who said i understand the importance of this issue but it does not feel like mine. i don't know how to talk about it. and i don't want to speak for my friends, my girlfriend, my sister, my mom. and that is on us to frankly give people permission to speak about the issue in a way that makes sense for them. i also think that most people don't disconnect these issues in a way that polling forces you to think about. if you are going to ask a woman if abortion or the economy are their most important issue they are going to say both.

and if pressed, thinking about the decision to become pregnant is the most important economic decision any of us women are going to make in our entire lifetimes, if you are going to push a man that might not be the most important economic issue. so i think that is just a challenge with polling, how do you get that in men. when i talk of men all ages particularly here in michigan after dobbs who started talking about knowing a wife, a sister, a mother who had an eptopic pregnancy and there was an understanding it effects all of us. men are going to come to the table and understand this is everybody's issues, we don't want to see our family members, our sisters, our friends, our neighbors dying or having to choose between a fulfilling life to go to a rally and listen to a concert or find yourself in a place that things

can go horribly wrong that could have been prevented if you had your full rights >> you know t is so excellent to have your perspective. just because you have that, you are on the ground, you are talking to the voters. that is where the truth lies. michigan state representative, thank you very much for your time this friday evening, i appreciate you hanging with us. we are going to take a quick break. much more to come tonight as we await beyonce and vice president harris, yes, beyonce and harris taking the stage in houston, just a few moments from now, hang with us few moms from now, hang with us if you're living with hiv, imagine being good to go without daily hiv pills. good to go off the grid. good to go nonstop.

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as we await vice president and kamala harris, beyonce together on stage in houston, texas. it is worth noting that former president donald trump spoke about immigration. the u.s. has been a dumping ground. he also issued a blanket denial related to recent reporting of his authoritarian instincts. and even fascists tendencies and his admiration for dictators. the still more skepticism about the election, and his comments planted the seed for the big lie. >> i'm not supposed to say it but we are winning by a lot, actually. this used to to take one a day, now this goes on forever. bad things happen. where are those votes that i

saw two days ago? well, we are deciding to move that section. but you cannot believe it. >> i joined once again by symone sanders-townsend, julian castro. and we are winning, the big lie. if we cannot win it is fraud. democrats tend to release the harris campaign are firmly anchored in the truth here as far as election fraud. this penicillin, there is almost no election fraud historically. and, especially now. i guess i wonder from the perspective of no one can predict where the votes are right now and whether former president donald trump is winning or losing. what you think the appropriate response or rebuttal should be as a former president donald trump sows the seed for the big lie. >> i would say the last time he fraudulently claimed that he won on election night.

he had not won when the votes were counted. i think that people should believe that he will do it again this time. the difference is the last time, fraudulently claiming that he was standing in the white house that he was in fact still going to be the next president. this time he will be doing it from a mar-a-lago or somewhere in new york. the impact will still be the same. the campaign should be clear and the vice president has been clear. this is something they are prepared for and they are expecting that he will do it. he is already laying the groundwork. frankly, we just had the senator on but this is where this fight will wrap up more. i predict frankly that there are going to be more challenges to the state certification prior to january 6th. some small january 6th opportunities are having all of the country, actually. >> that is terrifying. julian castro, we are looking at a live shot of traverse city, michigan. donald trump is supposed to be

running a rally, with two hours he is late. we will go back to the live shot in houston, texas where we are awaiting any moment now, for beyonce and vice president kamala harris. 30,000 people are in the crowd according to the harris campaign and i wanted to talk a little bit about what you touched on in the last segment. it is the coalition that has been here in contrast to the coalition in michigan. you cannot who is going to tell who is going to win. but the diversity, the cultural relevance in houston, texas. what is happening in michigan. the united states is saying that it is a dumping ground,

and a garbage can. he invokes a message of just absolute darkness and an apocalyptic. it is honestly resonating with people. but i just think there is something america likes about optimism and hope. it is just an undeniable truth in american life. people do enjoy feeling good about the place in which they live and the community that they are a part of. >> yes, you can see the images and the contrast. it is jubilant and celebratory and it is exciting about the country that we are in the future. what we can create together, by working together. you can see the other is a downtrodden and somewhat of a mad at the world. i think a lot of the former president donald trump supporters and he encourages that with the way that he talks about other people and how negative he is. how negative he is, as you said about the country.

what we have seen over the years and generally is americans tend to go for optimism. not blind optimism, but the general optimism when you combine it with what kamala harris will combine it with which a substance and experience. it has just been extraordinary for me to see these last two weeks these things combine. yes, she has beyonce, bruce springsteen and president obama and people that you would think that are also celebrities and people in politics. they will help her in the end but she also has those everyday americans that are out there telling their stories about the hope they have because of her. also, the danger they know that donald trump presents because of what they felt in their own lives. either because of a back pregnancy they experienced for other cruelty because of trump and his policies or policies

like it from others around the country. it is an entire cross-section of america that speaks to the need to turn that page and to go with someone who has a plan and who is optimistic. it brings people together, fundamentally instead of trying to tear it apart like trump does. you have to believe that history is any guide, that ultimately people are still going to go for that over what we see on the other side. >> what a great point. in addition to the staggering separations of the two divisions of america in terms of these two parties. there was the reality that the republicans have sewn on interested in representative democracy. they are confiding somebody that wanted to stop the election results and inciting a mob. state actors who seek to engage

in voter suppression. they have embraced legislation that is fundamentally out-of- court and anti-democratic. today, in north carolina the leader maryland representative andie harris suggested that the state of north carolina which is a swing state he should just go ahead and award the state's electoral votes to trump right now before any actual votes. i believe he walked to - wanted to withdraw some of those comments. but you will think there are 10 voters out there? that could decide the selection or hearing is anything i know that i care about the price of eggs. but that is pretty outrageous. >> lets us remember, the nikki haley voters do not support trump even after nikki haley was no longer officially in the race. thousands of people continue to

vote for nikki haley in the primaries. this is all over the country. those are people that are not going to support trump in the general election. but you had to out and earned those votes and kamala harris has been doing just that. >> symone sanders-townsend, julian castro, i'm sorry i cannot give you beyonce in this hour but she is coming up momentarily. you can feel the energy through the television screen. everybody just hang out with us. do not change the channel. symone sanders-townsend, julian castro, thank you for your friday night. that is it for this hour of television tonight. i will hand it over to the mc want for something like this. lawrence o'donnell and "the last word with lawrence o'donnell" he will get beyonce tonight and kamala harris. >> thank you, alex. i have never said this before from this anchor - but we are standing by for beyonce. we will do exactly that here as we cover other news breaking