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welcome back, everybody, to the weekend. there is just 10 days left of the 2024 presidential campaign. a dangerous disinformation campaign is ramping up with tens of millions of americans already casting their votes. trump and his allies are using every tool at their expose otis soto. even to the point of appending our democracy itself. the chair of the conservative house freedom caucus is now

calling for the republican dominated north carolina state legislator to hand its electors to term. before the ballots are counted. vice president harris responded to those comments yesterday. >> america deserves to have leaders who respect the importance one of the pillars and foundations of our democracy, free and fair elections. that they are not manipulated by elected leaders for the sake of their own political, future, or their own political strategy, for how they want to succeed. it has to be about what's in the best interest of the american people. >> it's about the best interest of the people. joining us now is the founder of democracy docket, mark elias. founder and ceo of onyx impact.

>> you have done a bunch of work looking at who these campaigns are targeting. >> absolutely. thank you for having me. let me ask you a question, have you ever heard anybody tell white folks not to vote? >> well -- no. >> as old as white supremacy, it has been used for generation to display, deny, black folks from the ballot box. we are seeing those exact efforts happening right now. whether in michigan with candidates taking out ads in black newspapers giving them the wrong election date. newspapers on black television now, there is an ad talking about how much young black folks

hated the last four years. i feel.com is being run by young white conservatives. all types. i can go on and on with examples to efforts to fundamentally divide voters and communities. at the end of the day it is about fear of our collective power. trying to find ways to make us feel like voting is not worth it. we all know that it is fundamentally wrong. >> mark, you came in and came out hot. and direct. these are the cases that you are fighting all over the country. i'm surprised you're actually awake right now. you just fight on all the fronts. can you give us the current state of play, mark elias, as it relates to the lawsuits that

your firm specifically and the allies you are working for, the things you are defending and you are most concerned about with a week out from election day? >> i will start with a lasting first. we talked on the show before. republicans have a three-part plan. the first is the make it harder to vote. the second is to challenge voters. third, to disrupt certification. we have seen in master -- massive effort. to try to make it more difficult and less convenient and harder to register and do throughout male and pallets before being counted. we have seen a tidal wave of litigations from republicans aimed out the second. trying to challenge voters. look at all the lawsuits over voter purges.

they are attacking overseas voters and military right now. the good news, they are losing all of those cases. nearly all. my law firm has been involved in preventing republicans and allies from challenging voters in nevada. we have been successful in fighting to make sure that voters in georgia can vote. we've been winning cases in arizona. the good news is, they are not succeeding. it is not just us. other law firms and organizations working together. this is a concerted strategy on their part to try to undermine confidence in the election. and the postelection to try to cause mischief. they will not succeed. i want to look at eight two- pronged reality here. it goes a little bit to what symone elicited just now.

you listed black insurrectionist with this white organized group. the reach that they black insurrectionist from trump and his allies, demonstrated can metastasize online to shape public opinion. the speed and scale of this information has been a force in the presidential campaign. potential to affect the outcome in a close election. twitter account has amassed 300,000 followers with conspiracy theories. your group released analysis that the campaigns targeting black americans in june, noting if you want to and authentic dissuasion of black voters, you must constantly between now and

the election. focus groups show again and again that shows like the breakfast club are still the main engagement for black voters. talk about the striking disparity were you got a group of white boys pushing out negative narratives and something -- sucking in the black electorate through those efforts. and the efforts you are talking about, you are actually engaging legitimate black influencers in authentic conversations. how difficult that is up against the black insurrectionist? >> absolutely. that is a great question. it is important to understand the way disinformation works. it works on all of us because a lot of our brains work in a

similar way. the more times we hear something the more likely we are to believe is true. and more likely to believe other people believe it's true. this is about amplification and repetition. as credibility deteriorates, and it's determined by people substituting the credibility. we need to be on the platforms were the young folks are engaging in. black stables of news, the culture, currently today which is not only black news, it's also places like the breakfast club. places like all the smoke podcasts. the shade room. in our research, when you go to these platforms, you are far more likely to break through the black skeptic audiences, two young black audiences, the

ones we need to make a difference in this election. >> is you both note, not just disinformation and misinformation, also contending with activists who want to flout the rule of law. take a listen to what ivan is calling on trump to do. take a listen. >> why are you calling on the state legislators and the entire country to go ahead and allocate their own states electorates. at a minimum in north carolina. nebraska. new hampshire. arizona. georgia. and wisconsin. so those states guarantee that no illegals are voting. no illegal drop boxes. no illegal signature not

verification going on. >> a lot of bogeymen. talk us through what he's suggesting? >> what he is suggesting to be clear, to disenfranchise every vehicle -- voter in all of those states. he suggesting a legislator in those states allocate their electors. it's a fancy way of saying that the people do not get to vote. that is it. when the republican member of the house who is sitting in the audience says that it makes sense in north carolina, he is saying his constituents should not have the right to vote. they should be disenfranchised. he believes republicans controlling the legislators will give the electors to donald trump. this is a disturbing pattern. go back to 2020. the big last lawsuit that donald trump hitched his wagon

to. it was the throughout the votes in four states. they are trying to do this. it will not succeed. they are going to fail. kamala harris will win. i promise everyone that lawyers and activists will be on the ground to make sure the votes are counted. everyone needs to turn out. >> mark you are sticking with us. as sosa, your first time here. i want everybody to come back. this is the weekend on msnbc.

mark elias is back. just yesterday the fifth circuit ruled in a lawsuit brought by the republican national convention and mississippi republican party, that text precedent and historical practice confirm this day for the election is the

day for which ballots must be both cast by voters and received by state officials because mississippi's statute allows ballot -- the ruler -- ruling, my concern is that other states can take a look and say let us bring something so we can get a similar ruling inside the fifth circuit. right about now in many states as long as you put your ballot in the mail by election day it will be counted. why don't they want people to vote? is my reading and concern correct? >> republicans have been bringing this lawsuit around the country and losing. they finally found a conservative court of appeals to agree with it. i will point out that even this conservative court of appeals that they will not grant the relief that the rnc asked for.

to not count the ballots for 2024. instead they will send it to the trial court to figure out the proper remedy. that is code for not 2024, maybe the future. i do not expect this ruling to stand. 18 states plus d.c. allowed to relinquish their ballot to put it in the mail by election day. the fact that republicans are targeting this rule just goes to show how confident they are that if all lawful voters are able to vote, they will lose their elections. people should not over worry this one decision as infuriating as it is. >> let's go to the north, the state of virginia. in august governor young can issued an executive order that called for daily updates to voter rolls to remove people who were not able to verify they are u.s. citizens.

in that state, the federal judge ordered that the commonwealth of virginia, virginia state board of elections along with agents are enjoined from continuing any systematic program intended to remove the names of ineligible voters from registration lists less than 90 days before the november 5th elections. that is the law. this is not something that is confusing. they really want to stress test the system to the point where they thought they could actually move the needle by removing these people. 1600 people off the rolls within the 90 day window. it is happening in virginia. is a happening elsewhere around the country as well? to purge the roles within the limited space of time? >> yes, it is. federal law is clear that you cannot do it within 90 days. the department of justice sued

alabama because they ignored that federal law. they successfully sue virginia. the flip side, republicans have been going to court to try to force states to violate these laws. they have been losing those cases over and over again around the country. they have lost those cases in every place from michigan to pennsylvania to georgia to north carolina. this is their plan. their plan is to try to remove as many voters as they can. to challenge as many as they can. the postelection to claim the recent wave i lost -- why they lost, they could say donald trump lost the lawsuits. he lives in the grievant mentality. >> i hope you will be with us next weekend. in case you're not, talk with what we should expect on election night and the days that follow. when we expect the election to be called?

>> everyone needs to be patient. we live in instant information age but voting is still done with paper ballots in most places. they are scanned through machines. people vote by mail and they have to be scanned. people need to be patient. we will know throughout the course of that week how the election returns come in and there is nothing abnormal. expect donald trump and his allies will prematurely claim victory. they might as well say they won all 50 states now. after all, that's what they are going to do on election night. donald trump lies about everything. why would he lie about this? especially this. ignore the noise coming from republicans and donald trump. have patience and confidence. don't let them dissuade you from voting throughout all of this that they are throwing up.

your voice is important. i want to say something that you are talking about at the end of the last segment. this is the time. the three of you go put yourself out in the public square and stand up for what is right. you made a hard decision to do what is right rather than what was easy. it is shameful when we see people, powerful people or news organizations not willing to do that, at this time we need everyone from the powerful to the individual voter to be willing to stand up in the town square and say what donald trump is trying to do is not okay. i'm going to do what i can by voting and knocking on doors. to speak out like you do. if we do that we will be okay. >> mark elias bringing sunday on saturday. folks, get out there and overwhelm the ballot. two new details on the closing argument that kamala harris plans to make.

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nbc news reports vice president harris plans to deliver a closing argument speech on tuesday. one week from election day in washington, d.c. this is the same place that donald trump spoke before the joppa -- january 6th capitol riots. here she is last night in houston. >> we know that freedom is not to be given. it is not to be bestowed. we must be loud. we must organize. we must mobilize. we must energize.

>> joining us now is laphonza butler of california. senator butler, can we start where the vice president ended? you have known her a long time. you were very involved in her first presidential race. now you sit in the seat she herself once held. one of the two, to be clear. i wonder what you think about what we are seeing in the last days and the closing argument the vice president will make on tuesday, literally in the same spot that donald trump incited the insurrection from? >> first of all, symone, good morning. good morning to the entire team of the weekend. what i know about the vice president and the lessons she has learned being elected not

once, not twice, three times, statewide across california, is the power of coalition building. people think about california as just los angeles or just san francisco and the golden gate bridge. it is a state of 58 counties. 40 million people. all walks of life included. in order to win statewide you have to be able to put together the coalition. i think the vice president last night was talking about the beautiful tapestry that is not only california, but this country. how together we must join arms and wrap our arms around each other and fight for its future by choosing to do it together. i think that is a part of the joyful message that she will be bringing on next tuesday. reminding this country how we have done hard things together before. this is a moment, a turning

point, for us to reject the politics of hate and division over the last decade. promulgated by donald trump. and a choose to do this incredibly difficult thing. that is to pass on a more just america to the next generations , to fight for a new way forward. we must choose to do it together. she offers a vision of unity and a shared prosperity. i think she will remind the american people what donald trump said just a few years ago in that very spot. >> i think a big part of that closing argument is also a subtle confrontation. i will put it that way. she is forcing the country to have with itself. is encapsulated in this question from hallie jackson

when she sat down this past tuesday. >> do you think the country is ready now for a woman and a woman of color to be president? >> absolutely. absolutely. in terms of every walk of life of our country, part of what is important in this election, not only turning the page, but, closing the page and the chapter on an era that suggests that americans are divided. >> we think of the presidency, we think of a man. you have heard donald trump, make that reference. she becomes president, how will she stand up to putin and all these other men? i think she made the case very well that not only can she, she has and she will as president

do that. how do you think that has resonated in the closing moment in the cases she is making to the american people. you are ready, come on, get on board. >> despite the mudslinging and name-calling that donald trump offered throughout this campaign , what the vice president knows and what we are seeing in early voting numbers all over this country, the american people know that there is a choice in front of them. that choice is not man versus woman. that is not black versus white. that choice is future versus going backwards. are we going to move forward with a competent leader that is going to choose to work to unite us and help to improve the status of our families? to lift the status of our country.

or go backward to the times of ridicule and division? i think the vice president is making a very strong commentary. michael, i traveled the battleground states over the last few months and i have talked to voters of all races, different party backgrounds and history of voting. all kinds, spanning the economic spectrum. i could be talking to somebody with $1 million or somebody with $200 in their bank account. not once has a single voter across this country in those battleground states talked to me about the vice president being a black woman. they talked about her plan to ensure that their kids could buy a house one day. what is the plan to invest in public education for our children? i believe there is the obvious differences between vice president harris and donald

trump. i think the american people will choose a new way forward here and reject his division . i think that point will be made strong on tuesday. >> donald trump is out on the stump in michigan saying that he is going to protect women and families. what do you say to women who might buy that closing argument? >> thank you for the question. i don't think anybody believes donald trump in terms of what he says about women, abortion, or healthcare. tariffs, or the economy. when you go into a grocery store for the first time in your life and still have to give somebody $100 to vote for you, that says a lot about what your credibility might be with everyday working people. the man has said that he is

proud that he appointed the justices the ripped away the rights of women to make decisions about their own lives. he then turns around and says women should be punished to choose to have an abortion and to make decisions for themselves and families. then he says he will be the greatest protector of women and families across the country when he is elected. which donald trump will show up on what day? i don't believe that he's to be true tested . that his vice president nominee should be trusted. women have power and allies have power to make the choice clear on november 5th. let's not give him the ability to flip-flop one way or another. let's make the decision ourselves and show him that we actually will be in control of our lives and we will do it by

making sure that kamala harris is the next president. >> senator, thank you. our conversation was a former donald trump official. this is the weekend on msnbc. msnbc. plus lotion to soothe her with ease. puffs plus lotion is gentle on sensitive skin and locks in moisture to provide soothing relief. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed. america's #1 lotion tissue.

after john kelly's warning that donald trump fits the definition of fascist, more than a dozen officials put out a statement agreeing with and applauding general kelly. explaining that they are lifelong republicans that did not take this decision to come forward lightly. included in that list, elizabeth newman. who said to politico, does he have authoritarian tendencies? yes. is he kind of leaning toward the nationalism component? absolutely. that is kind of his brand. right? he made nationalism the new

definition of the republican party. elizabeth newman joins us now. she served in the donald trump administration . she also is the author of kingdom of rage. the rise of christian next resume is -- extremism. it's good to see you. >> now we are on the first part of that conversation. 12 other former officials came forward with a statement. what is it that you want voters to note 10 days out from the selection about your former boss? >> john kelly is an amazing man thank -- i had to work for. he's inherently dangerous. when john kelly, a man who served for decades for this country. he sacrificed, risking his own

life, but his son was killed in action. this is a man that loves this country. when he is saying that a former president is inherently dangerous, has fascist tendencies, please listen. he is a very wise, seasoned professional in the national security space. he is seen able around the world. he knows what dictators do. when you have a member of the military willing to say, america, we might be electing somebody with these designs, we need to pay attention. this is not an election about policy. i wish it was. i wish michael and i could debate the rest of the panel on what the positions would be uncertain domestic policy issues. that would be lovely. that's not what this is about.

this is about we can keep our freedom or have military troops in american cities. that is what donald trump said he wants to do. i think the american people lack the imagination to think something like that could be possible in america. we're trying to alert people that it can happen. people thought when i was sounding the alarm in 2020 that this man was dangerous, we were speaking in hyperbole. january 6th happen. when we say this man is dangerous, please listen. your vote is about your freedom. not about policy. >> i want to put exclamations around that. i want to drop something in the middle of the table in respect to what she said. when you stop to think about the ark we have seen, elizabeth cheney, cheney, one element. to have someone like john kelly? john kelly, came out to lay it

out in black and white. someone like elizabeth newman, who worked inside the administration, was in those skips. in those meetings. watched and listened to the man behind the resolute desk call for three times, wanted to invoke the integration act against his own citizens. why aren't people taking more seriously someone like john kelly coming forward? you have lindsey graham and these other folks to say, he is just a complainer. i want to say, thank you. what you are doing and saying, you have been saying since 2020 and before. i hope people are paying attention as we go into this thing. >> elizabeth, i am sensitive to the fact that someone had the

privilege, because it is a privilege to be in the room with a sitting president or a vice president. i hate to characterize the word of a president or vice president in the room. when it comes to donald trump, you are saying he is so dangerous. i believe you. i believe john kelly. i believe john kelly. i believe liz cheney. take us inside to one of those very many conversations that you witness. you were senior advisor at department of homeland security when john kelly was the secretary. is there an antidote you can give us to illuminate this point? >> there are so many, it will be hard to pick one. when he went to go brief the president, it was my job to make sure that the many men and

women of homeland security who are creating the briefings and gathering information, it was my job to make sure that it looked good and made sense and something that john kelly was pleased with. so he could go brief the president. we learned very quickly that you could not put forward a normal brief. it started with, let's do a couple slides, not 10. no, you can only do one. you cannot have words. only one or two, mostly pictures. he could not focus. he could not stay on topic. he easily would be distracted. there would be keywords that you could not talk about. you could not mention russia or domestic terrorism. it would trigger him. he would go off on a tangent and you would lose the point of the meeting. the most concerning behaviors would be when he would get into the meetings and start brainstorming, how will we

solve this problem? is tendencies to solve problems always involved pretty significant abuse of force. the context of the border, why don't we shoot people when they come up to the wall? we should build a moat next to the wall and put alligators in it. can you put spikes on top of the wall? there was a desire to be vicious in a way we were trying to protect the country. i remember hearing the stories and going, what is the soul of this man that he is so and on violence and destruction? just the viciousness to his character. thankfully late -- we had men and women to say that it was illegal or unconstitutional or morally wrong but you will not have the in the second term. none of those people will be

allowed back in. we were disloyal because we were loyal to the constitution. they will only have ideologues vent on the worst kind of disruption. >> you cannot do 10 slides and do not use words, use pictures. here's a picture of a person. this is voters. this is voters. they will vote. that is putin. putin is bad. >> you asked the question that i want to return to. you asked why all the folks like kelly come forward? that seems to not move certain people. donald trump created this idea of insiders and outsiders. this time around, given that he was president for four years and somehow painting himself as an outsider. he has convinced some folks that you cannot trust anyone who has ever touched the

institution of government. >> that is right. elizabeth point about, we were all disloyal, because we were loyal to the constitution. is is everything you need to know about four years of donald trump. wesure need to think twice before we go down that road . if your loyalty is to a man and not the constitution, that man needs the be nowhere near the resolute desk. >> i want to remind everybody of the pledge of allegiance. i hope you come back because i want to have a conversation about the path forward. thank you for being with us. still a lot more ahead. this is a you can join michael and jen psaki and claire mccaskill for a virtual event. the insiders. you will get a look at the

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organization, this is where the rubber hits the ground. the problem i think the rnc has, god forbid, they don't have that structure on the ground. >> they gave it to elon musk. >> you go up and be the party. that's not how it works. you will not win races by ringing in third-party circuits who do not know jack about the ground game. they do not understand the leaders on the ground that you need to call. they want to install lara trump as the cochair. the party. disrupted that process. took out 60 people who built that ground game. here we are. you're going to see that difference in the next 10 days play itself out. the early vote is one thing.

the period between now and election day. >> this is about the time in a campaign where the field staff comes off, here is a yard sign and door hangers. make yourself useful. what is not normal about this cycle, you normally do not have a team of attorneys who are really working in real time to make sure that people are able to vote and to anticipate not just presidential but some down ballot races that will be sustained legal challenges regardless of outcome. >> we will see a bunch of many january 6th is in state certifications. the difference between this election and the last, the infrastructure of the campaign

built up was built under the biden team that she continued -- they have more than $1 billion. that money is going toward a good cause. donald trump is not the president. never forget that he went to the east room of the white house on election night, declared victory, like some authoritarian dictator from people's house, and said that he won the election when we all knew he did not. we were all watching, we knew he was going to do it. seeing him do it is still shocking. we spent the next week explaining to people, the press, doing press conferences about this being the numbers and why donald trump will not be the president. >> it is good to see the democratic party, the campaign, third-party organizations are out there that have got lawyers geared up and ready to go. to your point, it is an

important and unfortunate shift in politics. the lying and underground cheating has already started. we have seen it. it has the legislative action like we see in georgia. that is part of their steel and the light about this election. overwhelm the ballot with your vote. they cannot top that. much more ahead. coming up, senate candidate, sherrod brown, bob casey, colin allred, all joining about high state campaigns. i will be watching that. we will be right back.

we've got a packed show for you tomorrow. we will talk to gary peters, tammy baldwin, lisa blount rochester and kathy. be sure to tune in tonight for the final episode of my generation. that is tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. velshi will cover now. >> i want to read something that caught my attention as i was scrolling through social media. michael steele's point about his vote.