nica. my daughters, our adopted daughters, which were amber's friends through thick and thin. keith morrison: they have each named daughters after amber. and they hang on to memories like gold. it's like you have to put it in a box and then just keep it there for safekeeping because that's what you have. and that's what you hold on to. ashley flores: it hurts. it hurts. life will never be what it was with her. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm andrea canning. thank you for watching. [music playing] good morning and welcome to the sunday edition of 'morning

joe: weekend'. here are some of the conversations you might have missed after a very busy week. vice president harris leaned into the comments from former chief of staff, john kelly. he told the new york times the former president repeatedly praised adolf hitler. think about that for a moment and he meets the definition of a fascist vice president address those remarks first outside the naval observatory in washington and then last night during that tom hall. in pennsylvania on cnn. >> donald trump is increasingly unhinged and unstable. and in his second term, people like john kelly would not be there to be the guardrails against his propensities and his actions. those who once tried to stop him from pursuing his worst impulses would no longer be there. and no longer be there to rein him in. so the bottom line is this, we

know what donald trump wants. he wants unchecked power. the question in 13 days will be, what do the american people want? thank you. >> do you think donald trump is the fastest? >> yes, i do. yes, i do. and i also believe that the people who know him best on this subject should be trusted. again, look at their careers, these are not people, with the exception i think of only mike pence, these were not politicians. these are career people who have served in the highest roles in national security, who has served as general center military. are highly respected and talking about the person who will be commander-in-chief. not to mention what we know and what they have told us about how he talks about the military.

servicemen and women. referring to them as suckers and losers. how he demeans people who have taken an oath to sacrifice their life for our country. >> vice president harris saying don't take my word from a, take it from the people who worked alongside him, people who were nonpartisan or in some case were partisan. ran with him and work with him and saw the way he behaved in the way he talked about the military and talked about the american people. is that an effective argument for her? >> i think it is an especially when you look at who john kelly is and his career, four-star general. a man who lost his son in combat in afghanistan. i know john kelly and i know him pretty well and i have worked with him when i was ranking member on homeland security and this is not a man who lies. and you know, i was trucked by steve ratner's answer to your question about business people that are endorsing donald trump and i don't think i ever recall an election where one candidate

is required to be perfect and the other candidate, is okay that he is lying and it is okay that he is cheating and it is okay that he is threatening and it is okay that he says things that are outrageous. because, you know, we don't think you really means it. so come essentially these smart business people who have endorsed trump are saying, we are voting for him because we don't believe him. and meanwhile, he is appealing to a massive people who believe every word he says. and are convinced that somehow all of his lies are true, that he is some kind of savior for them. and he does not even like them. i think kamala harris his comment last night at the town hall that was stressed in the earlier segment, he has an enemies list and she has a to do list. she is looking out at you and he is looking in the mirror. she sees you, he only sees

himself. i think that is a really strong argument and i have had enough of anybody who writes words saying somehow she is not doing it well enough when you've got that kind of train wreck on the other side. >> i was really taken and i did nothing people would happen up to do it but how naove am i, right? how sleazy is it that you have donald trump, you have republican members of congress, you have trump talking heads, you have former journalists with newsletters, that are going around and questioning the honor and the integrity of john kelly. >> yeah. my, god. >> that's the -- >> john kelly grew up in brighton. his uncle leo for -- fought at okinawa along with a close friend of mine who became a

close friend, former treasury secretary of massachusetts bob crane. john kelly tried to emulate leo from the time he was about 10 years of age. john kelly is nothing less than fully honorable. 24 hours a day, seven days a week. john kelly lost his youngest son, bobby, in afghanistan. john kelly, three days after bobby was killed in afghanistan , because he had made a commitment to speak to a group of marines, showed up, spoke to them, and showed a film clip of what it means to have courage, honor, pride, in the work you do. it was a clip of two young marines, station at a guard post and the guard post was, you could see the truck driven by gorillas, coming toward the guard post. and this was in afghanistan. and they stood there and stood

and did their duty, they died that day. and he gave a speech about honor, courage, character, and being an american citizen and being a united states marine corps member. john kelly, is the only person in this debate who has honor, who has courage, question. that is the way he has lived his entire life and for anyone to be questioning his integrity is totally obscene. >> market, i will start with you. you have been traveling around and taking a look at what is going on. what is breaking through and what is not? >> carville had his three reasons that i wrote about three reasons in vanity fair. i think there are three significant gaps that make me believe harris will win and maybe even comfortably. the gender gap, which is, you know, i think women will follow over broken plastic to break

the glass ceiling. and enthusiasm gap of almost 10 points for harry's voters over trump voters and there is a favorability gap. what is really surprising as she has gone through this whole election and she is above water and more people have a favorable opinion of her which is unheard of. trump is minus about 20. i look at ongoing documentary on genz and went to athens, georgia, yesterday to go to a turning point rally with charlie kirk and there was a sea of young men with red hats. there is something happening with younger men that, again, i think it is off the radar screen that bears watching. >> without question. do they turn out and vote or do they like the rallies in the energy behind it? you will find out in 12 days. daddy, what you make of the closing argument from the harris campaign? she is firing up the base on the one hand and reaching out at liz cheney events and republicans who need permission

to go out and say i don't like donald trump but i need someone to land. she is putting all these pieces together down the stretch. >> i think it's a powerful closing argument. among the people that i tend to affiliate with, the progressives and left-leaning for, there is some kind of trepidation around trying to appeal to those folks, the republicans on the margins. specter they want win or not? >> we understand the politics of it all. the argument i have been tried to have with my left his friends come if you are not committed, why you putting so much emphasis on the election? why are you thinking about organizing? democrats face a tough battle to keep the race at the majority in the state. we'll talk to democratic senator chris murphy about the parties effort to retain control. (♪ ♪ nothing is everything ♪ (♪♪) with skyrizi, 3 out of 4 people

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as president, it is called extreme power. you have extreme power. just by the fact you say, close the border and the border is closed. that is it. very simple. you don't need all of this nonsense that there talking

about. >> that is donald trump on tuesday dismissing the bipartisan work in congress on a plan to secure the border and instead touting the, "extreme power he would wield as president. you don't need legislation. you just need him. and his unchecked power, that is the argument. let's bring in democratic senator of connecticut chris murphy and a member of the senate foreign relations committee and a key negotiator and a bipartisan plan to strengthen security at the southern border, the bill that donald trump had his republicans in congress kill. senator, good morning and so much to talk about, 12 days out on the campaign but your reaction having worked literally for months on the legislation to what donald trump said. >> first of all, the term, extreme power, you find that nowhere in the constitution. donald trump is telling you over and over again that you were going to be witnessing a constitutional crisis the minute he becomes president. he is prepared to use the levers of the federal government to take power.

and to punish his political enemies. but of course, i remain angry and heartbroken the we worked for six months on a bipartisan plan to secure southwest border. republicans were in the room for all of it. and what donald trump said, jump, they just asked how high. he said i want to kill that bill because it would work. because it would bring order to the southwest border and i don't know how i would win if the border was under control. if i could not use chaos at the border as a means to try to make americans scared of their neighbors, of people that are different from them, migrants coming to this country. and republicans almost to a person, followed donald trump sleep. we had probably 20 votes for that bipartisan security for the bill when donald trump came out against that we lost almost all of them and that tells you what life will be like if donald trump is president.

and if republicans won the senate, they will not stand up to him, they will not question his power grab, his abuse of power over and over again. on the immigration bill and they will do what he wants if they have power in the senate and even the white house. >> senator, what you said prompts me to ask the following question. if you look at all the polls, especially the questions asked in polls, seldom there is a question about the cost of division, intentional division. caused by people in one political party more than the other political party. what impact do you think it has had on the dialogue and the temperature of this nation, from the top down, from donald trump on down, a lot of republicans are seemingly intent on using language and behavior to further divide americans. >> that is a primary list and that i gleaned from trump's decision to kill the bipartisan immigration bill. we had a real opportunity to bring not just

to congress but the country together. on an issue that does often divide us, immigration and border. donald trump killed that bill for one reason. because division and hate is his oxygen. you literally cannot imagine how we would win power or hold power if he could not convince us to be scared of our neighbors, to be scared of immigrants, to be scared of muslims, to be scared of children. it was harrowing to watch a make a decision and watch republicans follow him. listen, i want this country to fall apart. but a second donald trump presidency when there is nobody like general kelly in office to try to stop him from doing the most hateful things to divide us from each other, locking up his political enemies, setting up mass detention camps for migrants. that is a really,

really scary world to live in. remember, when democrats were in charge we were passing bipartisan legislation, the gun bill was bipartisan, infrastructure bill was bipartisan, even the marriage bill was bipartisan. most americans want us to work together and that is what democrats do when we are in power and donald trump will not bring republicans and democrats together and without adults in the white house and donald trump second turned the most hateful and most reckless and most divisive things that can actually cause the entire country to fall apart, he will be able to do those things and he is not bluffing and not kidding and everybody needs to understand that. >> senator, good morning. you have been on the campaign trail helping his senate colleagues and you were in pennsylvania helping senator casey. polls show a tightening race, and throughout the country, that tends to happen barreling into election day. pundits seem to think that democrats have an uphill climb to keep the senate. give us your sense of what issues are resonating with voters as you head out on the trail with your colleagues? >> i think there are a number of issues and was an economics is still the top issue for people. i do think that many americans

don't believe what trump is saying. right. trumpet sing on the campaign trail that is economic policy will boil down to two things. a second massive tax break for billionaires and corporations, paired with a $4000 tax increase on americans through this thoughtless policy of tariffs, tariffs are useful when used in a targeted way but donald trump is talk about a broad-based tariff that would raise costs for every american by $4000. again, this time around you have to believe what donald trump is saying and i think it is keeping some of these races close across the country in pennsylvania and other wise, americans think it is bluster. and we have to do a better job big of explaining to people that kamala harris is talking

about tax cuts for working families, tax cuts for folks who want to start small businesses an easier ability to get into your first him and donald trump is literally on the campaign trail telling you if you liked him he will give the tax breaks to his friends at mar-a-largo and everybody else gets a big tax increase. it has not burned in the electorate and we need to make sure it does between now and election day. >> senator murphy, thank you. so much for being on this morning. coming up, we will talk with a former top advisor to john kelly who worked closely with him at the department of homeland security. we will get his reaction to this week's new comments from the retired general about the threats donald trump poses to american democracy.

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joining us now, former army reserve colonel and senior counselor to john kelly, kevin carol and a former cia officer. thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. of click on the heels of what your former boss disclose publicly on the record. how you

fold in and how you express the dangers of donald trump talking about the non--- nonsense of congress and the constitution. and i guess what i'm trying to say is i think the issue at hand here maybe something that is extremely difficult for people who have been living all their lives in a free society to comprehend. >> thanks. his comments that were played about doing what he wants regardless of what congress says or are alarming and presumably do what he wants regardless of what the courts said as well. and when you overlay it with his outrageous comments about adolf hitler, it is a genuine cause for concern but if he -- think people should keep in

mind as they had to the ballot box. you don't want to have a commander-in-chief of the united states was think he wants to use the military to take care of, in his words, political opponents like adam schiff or nancy pelosi. and saying he admires hitler. it is an externally dangerous situation and people need to keep forefront in mind with a make a decision about whom to vote for. >> can you talk about what it means for general kelly to speak out in this detail, at this point in time. >> the fact that he is speaking out means quite a lot. he is a retired general officer, his strong view is that general officer core, the flag course and not get involved in partisan politics. but the situation here is so grave and serious but he thinks he needs to go on the record and he went on the record with the atlantic and went on the record with the new york times. and i'm glad that he did. these statements are so shocking. the people need to know them. and i saw the trump campaign denied them and made comments

about the general. i would say is hot just general kelly. it is general mattis, it is general milley, former secretary esper, several men who went on the record for the stories, recording similar remarks and i would say is a lawyer, they have repetition for the character for truthfulness which trump is not. trump lies of the day. we have heard them quit before when he says such as immigrants poison the part of the country. it is not shocking that people report that in private he said similarly awful things. >> the thing now is of course, he says this all publicly. he is saying that he will use the military to arrest his political opponents. you then have the governor of virginia and others say, that is not what he means. and then he corrects fox news host, donald trump, and says that is exactly what i mean. and that is what were going to do and he named the former democratic speaker of the house

. he names the future democratic senator from california. and i do just wonder, when is republican that is really serving, going to call him out and say, no mr. president, you cannot use the military against your political opponents. no, mr. president, you cannot use the national guard against your opponents. and members of congress, what -- article 1 members of congress, what are you going to say to what he said last night? >> as president you have tremendous -- it is called extreme power. you have extreme power. just by the fact you say, close the border and the border is closed. that is it. very simple. you don't need all this

nonsense that they talk about. >> what is nonsense? jonathan, talking about extreme power as president, he said they call it extreme power. nobody calls anything extreme power. donald trump is now calling it extreme power when he is saying , he can just arrest his political opponents. he can use the military if he wants to use the military. he can exercise extreme power again. this is not a meme. he has a general who spent his entire life fighting for this country, for this constitution, protecting us. who sacrificed a son and saw a son died fighting for this country. and the chairman of the joint chiefs, as well. his last one, said donald trump is fascist to the core. john kelly said he was a

fascist and donald trump, he follows that up with talking about the extreme power that he will have you don't have to worry about this nonsense. this is far from a, "meme. this unfortunately is like a nightmare for anybody who believes in madisonian democracy, in checks and balances. and in the constitution, which does not allow a president to use the military to arrest political opponents. >> no. it is not a meme. it is all too real and certainly does not have extra power given to them by the constitution for what he has now is the supreme court that says he can basically as president do whatever he needs to do in his official duties, a broad wide, interpretation of executive power. won the worries many people were trump to take office again. and let me ask you this, we had a conversation earlier in the show about guardrails and how

in trump's first term they largely held. but there is a sense that in a second term is within the white house, they would not be present because they would be surrounded with loyalist. no equivalent to john kelly. another guardrail the people service hold, the military. the research the constitution of the president. that said, we know secretary of defense often said there are radical elements within the military and we know there are plenty of trump supporters as well. how much faith do you have that the military would stand as a guardrail, if there was a second trump term? >> i have complete faith in my former colleagues that they will not follow illegal orders. i do worry that the president might give them orders that are facially legal, he has the statutory authority, for example, to invoke the insurrection act but given for immoral or unwise reasons. and again, i have trust and confidence in my former colleagues that they would

never do the wrong thing and turn their guns on fellow citizens were presumed to arrest a member of congress and subject them to the uniform code of military justice. but even that is not a victory. if we have a situation where the military asked to tell the president that were going to ignore you and sit in the corner because we have the guns, that is not a good situation either. since george washington we have had civilian controlled military, military deference to civilian control and the situation we are facing, i think almost immediately, in a second trump presidency will be the military being forced to other do really truly, unwise things like, use active duty federal troops against protesters, after inauguration day or break civilian role. the way to avoid it is to elect kamala harris. up next is kamala harris a strength as a candidate underestimated? we read from a piece in the national review, next.

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senior political correspondent for the national review, jim garrity, writing a piece titled, the chronically underestimated kamala harris. he writes, "it is almost required in conservative circles to insist kamala harris is stupid but there is a snag in complication, if kamala harris is as stupid as a critic claim, why does she have the

democratic residential nomination and a roughly 50-50 shot at being the first female president in u.s. history? you know how many ruthlessly ambitious democratic men and women have desperately yearned to get where she is? how many smart, tough, shrewd often underhanded and cold- blooded holes have tried to claw their way up the greasy pole and fallen short. and some of the supposedly don't manage to do it? she is particularly talented rights, garrity, by another measuring stick. when it may be even more important politics. she is exceptionally skilled at getting her -- other people emotionally invested in her success. if kamala harris such a hapless dunce, how to keep getting 70 other people to work around the clock to elect her? that appeared in the national review and a conservative publication, jim garrity has many disagreements with kamala harris on policy and has written about them but suggesting that kamala harris is under appreciated and underestimated. >> i love the peace, it made me laugh. i had not seen it before,

willie. you cheered up my morning. to some extent , i think this is what -- i was interested to see that he says there have been a lot of ambitious men and women but it is a factor of being a woman in public like that you tend to be underestimated. and i wonder, this is something that i know the campaign is wondering about and worry about because it is very hard to measure. how many people there are casting their ballot to maybe using things with the she is not ready or she is not tough enough or she has not got the policy is code for i don't really feel ready to vote for a woman. the campaign would never say this and they don't want to have a suggestion the they think there is sexism but i was out in pennsylvania this weekend coming around with people were doorknocking for the harris's campaign and we came across a young group of hispanic men who said, she is not going to be respected by foreign leaders in the middle east because she's a woman and i cannot possibly go for her. i think there is some of that,

jim garrity is getting at that i think without seeing it explicitly but there is a feeling among some voters still, some ambivalence about whether they feel they can vote for a woman and women do tend to be underestimated. they perform very well but they are often underestimated when they are in a position like this. >> mika, we talk about how we joke about how democrats make a catastrophe. a new new york times cnn poll and the filling rights of psychiatrists up and down fifth avenue and on the upper west side skyrocket. republicans are really though, in the age of trump, just the opposite and he gets to the heart of this. they always are popping the champagne corks in the first inning. they repeatedly shocked that they lose, repeatedly shocked that they lost in 2018, in 2019, that they lost in 2020 and an austin 2022.

and after the 2022 election, newt gingrich, without fox news and said, we keep underestimating biden. we keep underestimating the democrats and joe biden he said, joe biden, compared him favorably to eisenhower and to ronald reagan. who were always underestimated and always worked in their favor , and newt gingrich was right. body was always supposed to be stupid, bumbling and dumb and to hold. and yet, they had a great -- he won 20. and as newt gingrich said, he had possibly the greatest first year off election result in history. but this is not just, this is not just what is happening in the age of trump. you get back to 2012 and we remember very well. republicans are popping champagne corks in the first inning and in the romney versus obama race and they were so

certain that mitt romney was going to win and they repeated it in the second chamber so long. on election night, mitt romney and his wife cannot believe it, on foxnews, some of the smartest news in republican politics said this cannot be happening. obama cannot be winning. this is impossible, but because they were in that echo chamber, they did not see what was coming. and jim brings up a great point, kamala harris always underestimated, please find another politician who in this poll, found favorability ratings are plus. you know, she is somehow like joe biden, she somehow manages to win despite the fact the republicans constantly underestimating her. >> and also just for balance, given his tenuous time the country is in, it is important never to underestimate donald trump.

>> of course not. and democrats don't. >> but what jim wrote, there was so many things that were valuable about it and validating. especially for women. kamala harris is a woman who has been waiting a long time. i would say hold her life to prove to the world that they are wrong about a woman's ability to step up and get the job done. i will go backwards and it is hard not to start with the debate. and no man has been able to do what she has done, no man even dreamed of it. and dreamed it in the wildest dreams, none of them ever came close to what she did. she decimated him in the debate. as the prosecutor, the attorney general, as a senator and vice president she has broken berries and done jobs that men

dream of and is a democratic nominee. many women in america are watching her. they are watching her because they are in a different reality and a lot of men who care about them get it and they are facing a healthcare crisis. they are being denied access to access to life-saving healthcare right now, right now in their lives. their daughters are being denied life-saving healthcare, access to it because of donald trump. not only are they seeing kamala harris step up in ways that men have not been able to do, against a tyrant, against a fascist want to become against someone who was threatening this democracy, she is stepping up for us and proving that she cares about what has happened in this country because of what donald trump has already proven he can do. and that is denied freedoms.

she is proving he is almost 80 and unfit, she is 60, fit and ready to do the job. >> i have to say, chris matthews, mika brings a big great point or echoes jim's point is well, always underestimated like biden was always underestimated like ronald reagan who would clearly say one of my greatest assets is, everybody always thinks i am an amiable dunce. and everybody always thought reagan was stupid and the votes are counted any winds 49 states. my favorite reagan story on this point was when he went to harvard to speak at the commencement and he is sitting with seal of the president of the united states in front of him and he said something along the lines of, i really wish i would have been able to have an education as wonderful as yours. why i went to eureka college and the audience for the blast that eureka college and he puts his hands on the podium, and he

goes, just imagine how far i could've gotten, if i had had a degree from harvard. and there is the seal of the president of the united states on the podium, the whole place erupts in laughter. underestimating a political foe, any political foe, as you know, that is mistake number one and my gosh, the democrats have a candidate the republicans have always underestimated. just like biden. and when you do that you usually do it to your detriment, don't you. and i think, as we talk about the red sox in the glory days, you can rise to the occasion. a batter to play can rise to the occasion and make the hit and bring them pollen, bring

the runner. you can rise to the occasion. harry truman was not thought of as the great president he would become and he is one of our great presidents because he was to the occasion and came out of kansas city in the old crooked politics and came out and, my god, this guy got us through with the marshall plan and nato and everything, he did that. harry truman did. he did not even put his name on the marshall plan, he made marshall do it, got marshall to do it. people rise to the occasion. there is no doubt that kamala harris had reason, people had reason to question whether she would be this great. we did not know this back three or four months ago, she was hidden in the back room of the biden administration. of the sudden she comes out on day one, knew what she was talking about and as you say, won the debate, has committed the stage, and could be the first woman of color to be president of the united states. very possibly. in fact, you could argue probably, she can do this but she has risen to the occasion. up next. joe's wide ranging conversation with legendary actor al pacino, who is out now with a new memoir entitled, sonny boy. that is straight ahead on

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such a great owner. you had a lot of odd jobs and reading this book, i found out i lived in an apartment on 68th and central park west. >> i cannot believe it. >> i walk in and the lady says, you know pacino was the super here. he may have been one of the worst ever. whatever. are read in the book and you were the super at this apartment complex. >> i was young, 21 or 22 and someone took a photo of me. actors get photos, eight by tens and it was one of these posed photos and i put it on the door. with band-aids. to keep it on the door of the super. and i put super underneath the

picture. >> you went through tough times. martin sheen, who is just a wonderful, beautiful man. that comes through in your book. talk about marty sheen. >> he came into my class, marty sheen and he did this monologue and i had never seen acting that great. it was great acting and i was, you know, i was enamored with him and he and i, it was a placeholder living theater on 14th street and sixth avenue. and we were working for them at the theater putting down -- you know you have to set up the stage before the actors start doing it at 8:00. we would lay the roads and stuff and i remember being in the back with marty and were all dirtied up because we used to clean the toilets and stuff like that. were sitting on the back of the theater looking at the play. saying, look at that. amazing. >> you had success in the theater and then your agent

says to you, i need you to fly to the west coast to see frances ford coppola. >> frances tommy in a play and i had a manager by the time and i had done a couple of place and also won a tony award. i was a little bit in the conversation. obviously, he saw the play. and he asked me to come out to san francisco through the agent. and i thought, i was afraid of planes. >> you don't want to fly. 's back to my manager said you're going out with me and i will go out with you and went and i got to know frances. he knew me a little before he called me for godfather. >> he believed in you. when nobody else did. and you felt it. >> when he called me and my house a year later, this is how this thing works.

you know. what we do. it works that way. and he said, they gave me the godfather and i will direct the godfather. >> i said that is good. i knew this was a great big book. everybody had read it and it was one of those. it was going to be a movie. and he said, yeah. and i said that is great. he said and i want you to play that part. >> you love that. >> i thought he had gone too far. >> practically, humid him until i thought of paramount pictures and paramount pictures, i thought hires him, they are smart. they know how good he is and they know how much and he is a genius. they are smart and he wants me and that is not so smart, you know. i am just -- anyway. i said, i called my grandmother

up and she was the only one left of my family and i said, granny, i think they are asking me, you know the book the godfather. yeah. i heard of it. i said, they want me to be in it , can you imagine that? playing michael. she calls me back in about 15 minutes and she says, sunny, granddaddy was born there. leon. >> unbelievable. >> my grandfather was born in corleone, sicily. and this is crazy. this is the face or whatever. >> you had so many challenges in that role. they do not want, you know, the executive did not want you and it was tough use of the actors were really supportive but there is the scene, again, everything you write is so vivid. coppola calls you and says i need to talk to you and he is eating dinner with his family.

you are forced to do what? >> upstanding and it is vivid to me and i am standing at the table and i know the family. >> the family is sitting down and eating. >> i am standing there and frances is eating and he says this and, you know how much i feel about you and how much i have stood up for you and wanted you and i'm standing there saying, yeah. i don't have words coming. how do i know what is coming. he said, you are not cutting it, man. you are just not doing it. i thought, what am i not doing? i'm not doing anything. to myself. i did not say that. he said, book, i put some film together that we had shot already in a candidate would show it to me. he said to look at it at paramount. >> may the lord be with you.

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welcome back to "morning joe: weekend" on this sunday morning. let's jump back into some more of the week's conversations we simply didn't want you to miss.

so chris, first of all, fascinating "wall street journal" editorial page once again mocking people who are concerned about donald trump saying that he's going to round up political prisoners. that he's going to round up his political opponents and use the army and use the national guard to arrest quote, enemies within. that -- that general four star general, who was of course donald trump's longest serving chief of staff, saying that donald trump is a fascist. that -- donald trump's last chairman of the joint chiefs said donald trump was a fascist to the core. and somehow, the "wall street journal" editorial page mocking democrats. and playing the fuhrer card. how fascinating they would say that. who's playing the card? earlier this week they talked about the fascist meme. despite the fact again, days after donald trump system

saying that he's going to use the military and the national guard to go after enemies from within and he listed the former democratic speaker of house and the future democratic senator from california. it's absolutely fascinating. they're writing this while donald trump's calling america a garbage can and he's called america stupid country while donald trump and other republicans are trashing four star generals that don't support donald trump. chris, you and i have been at this for a very long time. it's -- i have got to say, it's hard to be shocked but not surprised after all these years. but i got to say, i really am. i really am. at how numb they have grown to even the most outrageous remarks of donald trump. >> yeah, it's so clear, joe, that this election has come down to the clearer talking points of both candidates though. certainly the democratic party and people concerned about

trump are worried ant his horrific statements and of course trump is talking about immigration, immigration, we're becoming a garbage dump and there are people coming into this country at will. it's amazing to do what i did yesterday to go through my old neighborhood in the edge with bucks county in philadelphia. that's sort of the dividing line politically. our neighborhood is every other house is republican or democrat. i walked around with a -- with a ward leader jim donnellly and a state senator jim dylan and you can tell how all the houses are very much different in their views. i mean, there's certainly no doubt that race plays a role in this campaign. i mean, people don't say it. it's there. it's part of our history. going back to the 15th amendment and going back to the 19th amendment with women being able to vote. it's there that the people in those houses that i grew up with where i used to serve the bulletin to. the newspaper, are facing and being history. history is what they're going to make. in this election. not just the news.

they talk about what we talk about on the air. they're very aware of what's going on. they're talking about the issues about immigration and about the fascist charge against trump. it's all there. but also history. women, women being able to vote since 1920 with suffrage. are they going to vote separately than the men? apparently so. the -- the gap is fantastic. that gender gap between men and women. young men will vote very differently than older men. so even in the same neighborhoods, with kids coming home and me coming home to the old house i grew up in. it's amazing to be having the closeup in history at the age of bucks county in philadelphia deciding history and it's going to decide history because all of history in pennsylvania is sheriff easy to figure out. hillary blew it. fairly or not. she didn't go to erie or wilkesboro. this weekend, you will love

this, mika. christine be a ran ski is up campaigning in wilkesboro this weekend. it's so important for people to go back to the old neighborhoods. movie stars don't put out press releases in hollywood. go back to your old neighborhood and then tell me your politics. it's very important to communicate it properly and i don't think the philadelphia people are going to blow it because the city organization of the democratic ward leaders all 67 of them, are all working and pounding their feet for the election. you have got the labor unions that are in there. all heavily. very big for the democrats. and you have got a lot of college kids around the country coming in there helping out all over the state. different -- they're kind ofkeeping secret i know but the fact is they're really working hard and on the level. the democrats will not be surprised in this election like they were in '16. this is an election where they're going to have to win it and see the enemy coming knowing the neighbors are among their enemies in the sense of politics and they have to work really hard to win this thing.

>> just politics and after this is over, both sides are going to have to figure out a way to come back together. extraordinarily difficult. molly, i'm curious, chris kept bringing up 2016. and -- there's no doubt that people that are working on the harris campaign right now still haunted by the specter of 2016. but as chris said, kamala harris taking nothing for granted. not taking pennsylvania for granted and not taking eerie for granted and not taking michigan for granted and not taking wisconsin for granted. the question is, will it make a difference? >> well, that's the big question. but you know i was in wilmington and i was talking to them and they are, you know, there's no -- everyone is always like in the hillary -- sorry, in the harris campaign, they want you to think that they're losing. right? they have taken a totally different tact. they really want everyone to be worried and they want everyone to be out there and i think that's a lesson they've gotten

from 2016. right? >> by the way, for people that are like -- laughing right now, that might say oh come on, they're just whistling -- they know how much trouble they're in. i will tell you every time i ran campaigns the thing that drove me crazy and the few times that people saw me like -- show my temper, was when people started walking around saying heying i hear we're three points ahead. i turn -- i would turn around and go we are losing by ten points. now get out and knock in precinct 47 because we're going to lose this race. >> everyone you talk to in that campaign says it's going to be tight. we'd rather it be us than them. she's spending and going and even the fact she's going to pittsburgh instead of philly right? these are choices and she's going to go to philly too and she has but like these are choices and i think they've done a lot of really smart stuff and they've got clinton -- bill clinton out there in the south. they've got obama out there.

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will you commit now to respecting and encouraging a peaceful transfer of power? >> well, you had a peaceful transfer of power. >> you had a peaceful transfer of power -- you had a peaceful -- [ applause ] come on, president trump. you had a peaceful -- transfer of power compared to venezuela. >> people were angry. people went there and i'll tell you what, they never show that. the primary scene in washington was hundreds of thousands, the largest group of people i have ever spoken before and i have spoken before and it was love and peace. and some people went to the capitol. and a lot of strange things

happened there. a lot of strange things. >> love and peace on january 6th. that was former president trump earlier this month avoiding a question on whether he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power. in fact, lying and saying there was one last time. this is a new letter from congressman jamie raskin of maryland reveals the trump campaign this time has not signed off on an agreement with the federal government on a transition process if he wins the election. congressman raskin joins us now ranking member of the house oversight committee. congressman, thanks for being with us. so for people who don't quite know what this tradition is, this norm is in our government, what is this document that you would have expected the trump campaign to participate in? >> well, no president has ever broken from this precedent of participating in the presidential transition act which basically says you sign a memorandum of understanding with the federal government and with the incumbent president to

ease the transition process. there's 75 days between the election and the inauguration. there are 430 federal departments and agencies in the work force of 2.3 million people. and so there are a lot of -- technical and structural and personnel issues that both major parties are invited to start working on. knowing that one of them is going to win the election. and trump and his campaign have simply refused to enter into the mou with the federal government. or to sign one with president biden in order to ease the transition into -- and to make this work. on the contrary, what all we get really is what project 2025 tells us which is that they want to abolish the department of education and they want to abolish head start and they want to ban the use of the words climate change in the federal government and so on. so it's a profoundly troubling moment for us when you think about the u.s. government as

the structural entity that we all depend on for so many rights and benefits and operations in the country. >> congressman, good morning. it occurs toe us here that a phrase we haven't led much over the last couple of months is biden crime family. that seemed to disappear from the headlines just as president biden abandoned his re-election bid and certainly would suggest there's some political motivations behind it. can you tell us if you have had any conversations about your counterpart about this and where do things stand and was this just a stunt? >> well, oh, yeah. they've completely dropped that. i mean, you know, they said this was a -- a world historical emergency with the biden crime family. but of course it was all about the election. now they're talking about, you know, i mean, i don't even know what they're off on to this week. it might be the transgender stuff. who knows. but anything to throw sand in the gears and smoke in the air.

they have no plan for actually taking over the u.s. government. and making it work. but they want to shut down large parts of the u.s. government and then -- what they would like to do is to begin to deport 10 million or 12 million people and fundamentally change the character of american government and american society. so it's a profoundly troubling moment when you look at the real functions of the u.s. government. the -- environmental protection agency. noaa. the nih. the department of defense. these guys in league with vladimir putin and viktor orban and they would fundamentally change what the nature of the democratic project is in america. >> congressman, senate -- tough seats are up for grabs there. and democrats really have some dismal prospects, out of bounds the house?

how are you feeling about the house? is there any hope that democrats could win back the house? >> well, yeah. i mean, i have been now to 27 states now. i see tremendous enthusiasm and surge of volunteers and action on the ground all over the country. with my friend sue altman in new jersey 7 she's doing great and she just needs some more resources to get over the trap. derrick tran in california. but democrats across the country are surging at the local level. and a lot of the propaganda and disinformation that are operating in the national campaign are not affecting what's happening at the local level and there, i think all of the grassroots energy that the democrats have galvanized is really working to push people ahead and we're depending on our friends in the national campaign and in the media to counter this wall of propaganda

and disinformation that is coming down on the democratic ticket. >> ranking member of the house oversight committee, congressman jamie raskin, thank you and thank you for warning about the potential dangers to a peaceful transition of power. we appreciate it. steve rattener is standing by and he has got charts about what experts think about both the trump and harris economic policies. you are watching "morning joe: weekend." ily hiv pills. good to go unscripted. good to go on a whim. with cabenuva, there's no pausing for daily hiv pills. for adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete, long-acting hiv treatment you can get every other month. it's two injections from a healthcare provider. just 6 times a year. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients, or if you're taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions, post-injection reactions,

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the economy while trump's policies will greatly increase tariffs. something he seems to be obsessed with. joining us now from the southwest wall, former treasury official and morning show economic analyst steve rattner, steve, take us through this. >> i mean, you saw the nobel prize announcement by the economists. and it's -- indicative of what economists feel about it. let me show you one other survey of economists and then we'll get into the details of why economists feel as strongly as they do. so the washington journal surveyed 39 economists and what they found was this. a lot of support for many of harris' key plans, 74% support for her tax credit of $6,000 for new babies and 59% support for raising the corporate tax cut and 64% for raise -- capping insulin prices at $35 for everyone and 46% roughly to 50/50 for capping out of pocket spending on prescription drugs and less support for a couple

of other things but basically very strong support. contrast that over here with donald trump, who got -- 8% support from economists for making his tax cuts permanent. exactly 0% support for his tariffs of 20%. and 5% support for eliminating taxes on social security benefits and i'll come back to that just a minute. dramatic contrast between support for harris on the one side and no support basically for trump on the other side. from 39 economists from across the board. >> so steve, you can already hear trump's campaign, trump supporters saying oh, these are pointy headed economists and these are academists, who cares? we can point them though to the economists from "wall street journal" or goldman sachs who says that kamala harris' economy would be better than donald trump. the second chart about what a trump plan would actually do to the economy if implemented the way he's pitching it. >> why are the economists so

opposed to trump's plan? because the economic effects would be pretty terrible. this is a study done by bloomberg economics and they found that harris' plan did not have much change in either the gdp or inflation which in a sense is a good thing at this point. but look at what trump's plan would do. trump's plan would cut the gdp by 8.9% and let me put that in perspective for you. this is roughly twice the amount that the gdp went down during the financial crisis. we would be looking at something between a recession and a depression. and interestingly, as i'm sure you people know because we've talked about this many times, the tariffs would cause certainly a part of this. but the biggest cause actually of this drop are the mass deportations that trump is talking about because he would take huge pieces of our labor force out of the country and send them back or send them somewhere else and the result would be businesses wouldn't have labor and they would not be able to produce things and

you would have the enormous economic contraction. this is something we have never seen before. in terms of scoring a set of policy proposals from a presidential candidate. the other reason why trump's -- why harris seems to be doing better maybe doing better for her economic thoughts relative to trump is maybe people are figuring out what's actually in these two plans. and one of most important things in the two plans are the differences in their tax proposals. harris' tax proposal would raise incomes for people at the bottom 20% for people in the 20% to 40% percentile by fairly significant amounts. she would -- cut -- she would raise taxes for people at the higher incomes down here 99% to 100% and 95% to 99%. trump does the opposite. he raises after tax incomes for people at the highest incomes up here, and believe it or not, if you are at the bottom, trump's tax plan would actually

increase your taxes slightly. so maybe people are figuring out these kinds of differences and changing their view of her economic plan versus trump's economic plan. >> well, steve, that's a good point. we were just talking earlier about a poll this morning that showed that the economic advantage had been taken away from donald trump. there is also an a. p. poll that came out earlier this week that showed the same thing. pretty much a statistical tie even though harris is ahead on taxes and harris is ahead on housing costs and harris is ahead on some things that no one believed would have been ahead of -- before harris/walz. but it's very interesting, there's something else going on here. isn't there? because when -- the biden white house tried to push up bidenomics it didn't work. and inflation was still coming down. gas prices were still coming down. but they had not gotten to where they are now and i wonder if some of the shift and it's -- it's dramatic shifts unless you look at partisan polls,

it's dramatic shifts like in this a. p. poll, on the economy toward harris. i wonder if that has to do with the fact that gas prices just keep dropping. inflation just keeps dropping. the interest rates have dropped and i mean people are actually seeing it in their day-to-day life. but some things still cost too much. when they go to the grocery store, some things still cost too much when they go to home depot. but after a while, they're comparing it to what it was a year ago. two years ago. three years ago. and they see that everything is going in the right direction as far as inflation, cost of living, and most importantly, the difference between the cost of living and their living wages going up. >> sure joe, yes, we have as you have pointed out and actually the cover of the economist this week calls our economy the envy of the world. up next, the atlantic's george packard joins us to

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look, that turned out not to be true? >> i don't know if it's true or not true. i read something -- >> i don't know if it's true or not true? >> what about the goose, the geese? what about the geese? what happened there? they were all missing. >> listen. the geese. >> how -- i have no idea. i said something, the big problem is that you cannot put 30,000 people into a 50,000 person town or city and expect this city to even survive. or do well. what they've done to springfield, ohio is very, very unfair. and i mean, there were a lot of stories and about ovular stories that i have -- of other stories that i have heard that are horrible. maybe i will. maybe i won't. but that was a story that was reported and i said that. why don't go after the newspaper that wrote it? don't blame me. >> note to hosts who want to help trump out. not necessarily. but the ones who are like you don't really mean that, do you?

you don't really mean -- let's talk about this. you don't really -- don't do that because he's going to double down. he's going to -- you know, you can't help him. he means it. donald trump's lies about legal haitian migrants in springfield, ohio have received a lot of attention. but that's not the only haitian community he has disparaged. he has also made false claims about the migrants in sharp la roy. pennsylvania. trump told crowds as multiple rallies this fall that haitian immigrants had bankrupted the town and caused an increase in crime there. joining us now is staff writer at "the atlantic" george packer and his latest piece entitled the three factors that will decide the election -- profiles the town and explains how the town embodies the country's changing political dynamics. it's good to have you on the show, george. tell us more about what's happening in charlotte roy and

how it all pertains to the election as a whole. >> well, i went out there because there are two things that have happened recently that really are a microcosm i think for what's happened across the rust belt. one is, working class jobs leaving over many years and including now. a glass factory that had been open since the 1890s. the private equity partners who own the company that controls that factory announced that they were shutting it down and moving some of the operations to ohio. that would be over 300 union jobs lost to a town that's already lost hundreds and hundreds of jobs. and a lot of it is population. the other thing that happened last month was donald trump noticed the town in pennsylvania and heard about it and started talking about haitians because there's been 2,000 or so migrants arriving there legally to take jobs that americans generally don't want. like low wage jobs, working in

food preparation. trump spoke a whole plot of lies in a very, very short period of time about it and about it being bankrupt and about gangs and about crime rising and about the place being chaotic. i went there. none of that is true. trump then, his attention span seemed to be too limited for there and he moved on. it didn't have the legs that the springfield story did. but it left behind a kind of devastating effect in the town. it's a small town and i would say a fragile town because it's true. there were -- 4,000 longtime residents and then 2,000 immigrants arrived in just a few years. that's going to cause tensions. that's going to create strains on resources. strains in the schools. et cetera. but those migrants have created a huge economic lift to the town. which was so depressed and i spoke to the borough manager and to the council president and they said, now we have houses that were empty.

they now have tenants. we have taxpayers. we have people with jobs. these are tax paying job occupying migrants who have given that town a boost. and now they're -- they're not even on the streets because of fear of the repercussions of trump's casual remarks about gangs and illegals. so -- with one word, he can take a town that was just beginning to make a comeback and turn it upside down again. and so let's not forget, two things have happened there. one is, the migrants, but the other is the loss of jobs. and i think this election really is about whether -- which party can claim to be actually working on behalf of people on a place like the town or are they whipping up hatred there or are they forgotten it and indifferent to it? the people there. i have to say, do not see the

democratic party necessarily as they're chathamons because they have not seen it over the last 50 years with the town's decline. >> so interesting. because that's what i want -- ed lee, you can take the next question. but i'll lead you with a question. is in these towns, that so much havoc and chaos and damage has been wreaked by trump's lies about them. are the towns divided? are there still people who -- is it creating more division in the town between -- republicans and democrats and legal migrants? or are they devastated by what trump has done? and, you know, seeing it for what it is. >> it's probably some combination of both. but there's an attempt to account for the devastation in their lives. three points that george packer lays out in terms of working dallas decline. corporate greed, and native anger is an attempt to understand what has happened over the last 40, 50 years in these communities. folks are trying to make sense of it and often times that

involves scapegoating and involves the problems for me isn't about corporate -- corporations coming in to exploit us. the problems for me is that these people who are others are coming in and taking my -- >> clearly works and an effective strategy. >> donald trump is sitting right in that sweet spot of grievance and hatred. and george packer, this takes me to your question. i found your article really, really fascinating in number of ways. now you talk about these three points and the last one is nativist anger but you want to also argue that education, not race, is the starkest division in the country. and in the history of the united states, nativism and race are intimately linked. and in so many ways, race is the mode by which class is experienced through the united states. talk a little bit more about that claim particularly when we know that the kkk's presence in a town like the one in pennsylvania is having an impact. talk about more this education as opposed to race, as the starkest division. >> well, just the kkk i don't think is there but a flier from kentucky started circulating

there and it freaked people out. a lot of haitians decided not to go out on the street. i think that you are absolutely right. race and class and the interaction between them finding and the determinant factors in this election and in the last two elections. but the sharpest divide in our politics today is education. it's whether you have a college degree or not. that's the likeliest determinant of whether you are going to vote republican or democratic and that's why we're seeing larger numbers and i met some of them in western pennsylvania of latinos and black voters who are moving toward trump. and they're not college- educated. they're working class. and they may see trump yeah. they may not like everything he says but they think he's going to do better for their pocketbook and the cost of living. that's kind of thing i heard. when i hear that, i think -- race is never to be discount in the america, it's always a factor. it's a factor there. but if that's the only thing you are looking at, you are not

going to understand the trends and you are not going to be able to anticipate how those trends will play out in elections. coming up, we'll speak with best selling author john grisham about his new book "framed." which tells the stories of the wrongfully accused and their battles to win back their freedom.

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a new book is highlighting some of the most powerful stories of injustice in the u.s. criminal justice system. with the goal of minimizing future abuses of power by law enforcement authorities. the book, titled "framed." astonishing true stories of wrongful convictions. was cowritten by criminal justice act jim mccloskey and "new york times" best selling author and longtime advocate for the wrongfully convicted john grisham and john, joins us here on set yes. so good to see you this

morning. >> happy to be here. >> to tell us about first why this subject is so important to you. >> i got involved with it almost 20 years ago when i wrote my first nonfiction book "the innocent man" about one case and just became fascinated with wrongful convictions and the sheer number of them. most people don't realize there are thousands of them. and i love them from a storytelling point of view because they're very rich stories filled with lot of drama. lot of suffering. a lot of injustice. and -- and you know, happy ending every now and then. but they're really great stories to tell and jim mccloskey is an old buddy and when we get together we start telling old stories, have you heard the one about this case or whatever? it's been his life's work. and so we finally got the idea of taking our top ten, our top ten favorite depressing stories and write about them. >> john, joe has the next question right here. >> you know, john, don't want to get political here. >> oh go ahead, joe. >> i think your book serves a

political purpose. an important purpose. you know, it seems to me growing up in the south just like you, lot of people that call themselves pro life and -- are the loudest about that. or the biggest advocates of america going to war when the questions raised and the biggest advocates in the death penalty. i have seen them my entire life. i have seen democrats try to get their votes by governors, by -- executing people that shouldn't have been executed. and i'm just curious how would this book -- how can this book educate people who -- are instinctively in support of the death penalty but may not see just how many innocent people are sent to their deaths unjustly? >> one of the purposes of the book was to try to show readers, those who care to read it, how many wrongful convictions there are and how

they apply to everybody. not just minorities and not just people who get most of the convictions and most of the people that get in trouble. we deliberately picked ten cases that involve 22 exonerees, half of whom are white. because white people don't believe that there are thousands of innocent people in prison. black folks know it. okay? white people don't believe it and we take the cases and try to show how these cases happened to average people. and -- you know, it's also to just a raise awareness about how wrong the death penalty is. one case -- we follow it to the very end and a young man is executed in texas ten years ago for a crime that never occurred and they're trying to do it again in texas and we're frying to stop it again in texas. so it's just -- it's awareness, just the stories are so rich. so hard to believe. so fun to read. although they're frustrating and infuriating and maddening or whatever but they're great, great stories. >> can you give us a quick summary of perhaps the story that shocks you the most?

that shocks your conscience the most. about somebody sent unjustly to their death by our government. >> you can't do it a quick summary of any of these stories, they're very, very long stories. but -- the last -- story i just mentioned cameron todd willingham was executed in texas in 2014 for a crime that never occurred. he was convicted of setting his house on fire to burn up his three daughters. and of course in texas in 1992. and the arson experts by the state of texas said that this was clearly arson and it was clearly not arson. he was finally executed after serving ten years on death row. after his death the real science came out. the arson investigation was blown apart and totally discredited and debunked by real experts and they prof proved that it was a fire. but it was not arson. it was a tragedy. a terrible crime. and that science was on the governor's desk the day of the execution. he had access to the new science in 2014.

and would not stop the execution. that's the most egregious case so far. because they killed an innocent man. >> john, i mean, i'm looking at the front page of this here. you can see you have written i think it's a fiction book a year for what? decades. why -- have found fiction powerful way to tell these stories, why now go to nonfiction? why make that -- do you feel that these are stories that can only be told through nonfiction or -- that you might reach different audiences through this method? >> truthfully, i could not create these stories. i couldn't make up this stuff. there's so -- they're so bizarre and unfair. disheartening. i can only go so far with fiction. i couldn't make these stories up. and the fact that they're true make them even more readable. people just can't believe these stories really happen. it was fiction you could blow it off and say it's in somebody's imagination. i just made them up. the but the fact they're true gives them a much, much bigger

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>> it was my first foster. the last parents found him unnerving. >> what do you know about this farmhouse that he keeps drawing? >> i never realized that. >> suffering from hallucinations. repeated expulsions from school. do you feel like there's a reason he found me? i have a game for you. put your block right in the middle. now usually something that makes you mad. >> people who do bad things. >> what kind of bad things? >> tell me what you did. >> the new apple+ tv limited series "before" the psychological thriller shows tony and emmy winning actor billy crystal who plays eli when a child names noah shows up at the doorstep forcing eli to confront his own personal demons. and his greatest fears and

billy, we're so excited so say joins us now in studio. >> gate to see you willie. folks don't worry. if it's scary the laugh track that we pull on really helps. >> you see billy crystal and go oh great. this will be fun. when is meg ryan walking into in frame? not showing up this in one. but i was telling these guys just first of all how excellent the series is. and it has -- it feels a little bit like the shining and all the best ways. for people who saw that, for the first time, said what am i seeing here? how are you describing it? >> it's a psychodrama thriller: when we spoke about it. i think you had seen five or something and it chemos you -- keeps you right on the edge of your chair and it keeps going that way. it doesn't resolve itself until actually the very last moment of the very last show. it's -- it's the -- i have to say, i'm more excited about this than almost anything i have ever done. i mean -- i mean it. >> given your career, that's an

amazing statement. >> it was the ultimate away game you know. to live in this kind of world of -- it's not horror. it's -- it's oh, it just psychologically draining and i play a man who is a pediatric psychiatrist who's dealing with the very troubled kid who just arrives out of the blue and i'll do anything to help him through his trauma. break every law that you are supposed to -- adhere to as a physician. and in the pursuit of, you know, alleviating this kid's pain. >> you know, just? that one clip that we showed the one-on-one with you talking to the kid in the and the kid sort of accusatory toward you, what happens to your frame of mind to do that? how do you do that? >> well, it's acting. [ laughter ] >> oh, yeah. >> this is -- this is you. >> i know, just came to me. >> why? >> because -- you know, amazing young actor. jack his name is from london.

the challenge of that and working with him was extraordinary. to help this kid through his trauma and now i'm the guy who cured robert deniro. of his trauma in analyze this. this kid was nothing to me. it's -- you know, it just -- being a parent, and being a grandfather of four, you know, i have been asked did you do a lot of research and yeah, i'm a grandparent and i'm a parent. that's enough -- you know you deal with the kids and you deal with your little ones and you try to be as calming and as intuitive and as helpful as you can. >> so but -- i mean, people -- billy crystal you know, smile comes to their face you know. because you make people laugh and you are enjoyable. >> but this is a different kind of enjoyment. this is a great -- this is a great mystery. this is a great -- i loved being in this world. and as you know, as actors we play different parts and i have always played different things. i played a guy having a midlife

confusion in city slickers and playing romantic confusion in harry and sally and i was a 200- year-old wizard in princess bride. at this point in my career in my life to get a role like this, you know, is just the greatest feeling. >> now that you have had a role like this, is this something you'd want to revisit this sort -- it's like a darker tone one that might sort of take your fans by surprise. >> but it's a great surprise. you know? and for those of them it may not even be a surprise. >> talk about range. >> i mean, yeah. it's -- that's what we're supposed to do. you know? >> all right. so i now want to know how are you feeling about everything going on in america right now? >> well, i think the yankees will win the world series. >> okay. >> and i really do. and -- i feel great about that. and the rest is up for grabs. >> yeah. [ laughter ] >> it's a scary time. >> yeah. >> you know. i mean -- we just want what's

best for the country. and -- and you know, as -- i was listening to the segment before, as a father of two daughters, and two granddaughters. >> oh my. >> you fear for the future. and i felt that when -- the results were in 2016. sitting withthem watching and worried for where's this heading? but you know, i'm very optimistic and i think the lesson of all of this for all of us is americans have always pulled together. in the hardest of times. and we need to do that now. and that does it for us this hour. we'll be back here tomorrow to kick off a brand new week of "morning joe." until then enjoy the rest of your weekend. good morning. it is sunday, october 27th. i'm alic