good morning, to sunday october 27, nine days until election day. his last full week of the 2024

election season and it is going to be a busy one as the candidates make the final pitches to voters across the country. the democratic nominee kamala harris will barnstormer all seven swing states over the next four days beginning today in pennsylvania. she began the morning by attending service and delivering remarks at a church in west philadelphia as part of a souls to the polls effort to mobilize people to cast votes early. as of this morning, more than 40 million people have already voted in this year's election, some places are continuing to see record turnout including new york city, right here, where more than 140,000 people cast their ballots yesterday, the first day of early in- person voting. i'm going to cast my ballot right after the show today. harris is scheduled to make a stop that it -- is not in a swing state. on tuesday she will give a speech that her team characterized as the closing argument of her campaign during a rally in washington, d.c. specifically, the rally will be held at the&. that is the same location her republican opponent donald trump spoke on the morning of january 6, 2021. a speech that galvanized his reporter shortly before they attacked the capital and effort to stop the certification of joe biden's victory and

overturn the election results. her closing argument is expected to focus on the existential threat that trump poses to democracy. that argument has been bolstered in the final days of the selection, by on the record interviews by former trump administration officials calling the republican nominee a fascist. those pronouncements came from the former chief of staff john kelly and mark milley, former chair of the joint chiefs of staff. both of them, retired generals who largely estate out of the public eye since leaving their government post's. should be the biggest story line in this last stretch of the presidential race. high-ranking well-respected military men who dedicated decades of their lives to serving this country, are warning the rest of us that one of the leading presidential candidates is a wannabe dictator who would usher in a fascist regime in this country. we could be 90s away from losing our democracy as we know it and yet there are still people complaining about a black of policy details from

harris. don't get me wrong, i like policy discussions. i live for the detail and minutia of public policy. but if we lose our democracy to fascism, we will not have those kinds of nuanced and important discussions again. under trump we will not be debating climate or universal health care or collective bargaining or gaza. because this is not a normal election and donald trump is not a normal candidate. at the reception and treatment of the selection as a normal contest between competing candidates persists. because some people are not treating it with urgency and gravity that it deserves. moments ago, during remarks at a west philadelphia church kamala harris spoke bluntly about what is at stake for the country. >> while we know there are those who seek to deepen division, to spread hate to so fear and cause chaos, who suggest that the measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you beat down and instead of what we know the real measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you lift up.

but i see all of this and it tells me why this moment in our nation has to be about so much more than partisan politics. it must be about the good work we can do together, about our fundamental values, and about who we are as americans, and as people of faith. here in pennsylvania right now, each of us has an opportunity to make a difference because in this moment, we do face a real question. what kind of country do we want to live in? that is before us right now. what kind of country do we want for our killed -- for our children and our grandchildren. a country of chaos, fear and hate or a country of freedom, justice and compassion. and the great thing about living in a democracy is, we people have the choice to answer that question. >> and that is really central to the whole issue. as disheartening as things may

seem, we still have that right, to make that decision. some of history's strongmen rose to power because people wrote off pronouncements as hyperbole and failed to understand them as a symptom of narcissism. it definitely ended the nazis were masters of stagecraft, so was mussolini, who staged autographs, sometimes shirtless to appeal to the common man. donald trump has a.i. to portray the stereotypical best -- masculinity he does not have in real life but every now and then he stages events to don aprons over his suit to serve fries to supporters, hand- picked by his campaign. it was covered by the media as a campaign stop. a billionaire businessman born rich and no to stiff his own workers and contractor, masquerading, dodging questions

about minimum wage from a drive- through window. this is important context to keep in mind, as trump, a native new yorker, fulfills his dream today of holding a rally at edison square garden. an event he will definitely it light for propaganda over the coming week, and at this late date and initial stage of an immensely consequential election, there are troubling signs that the media is beginning to buckle to trump's creeping authoritarianism. the fallout continues for the washington post and "la times", after their publishers announced that the papers will not be making a presidential endorsement this year. for the posted is a problem exacerbated by the fact that it's owner jeff bezos has billions of dollars worth of contracts with the federal government through his other businesses like amazon, particularly web services and the aerospace manufacturing company blue origin. on the same day that the post publisher announced the newspaper would not make an endorsement, the associated press photographed two executives from blue origin, the ceo on the left, and megan mitchell, vice president of government relations on the right, speaking with donald trump on the tarmac in austin.

this highlights complexity of business journalism conflicting with or undermining the actual work of journalism, which can have dire consequences for society as a whole. the legendary newspaper publisher and former politician joseph pulitzer warned us about this in 1984. our press will rise or fall together. and able disinterested public spirited press with trained intelligence to know the right and courage to do it can preserve that public virtue without which the government is a sham and a mockery. a cynical mercenary demagogue at press will produce in time, a people as base as itself, end quote. and that might be the path we are headed down, if other media owners and publishers follow the washington post lead. after news of the post non- endorsement broke on friday, the papers on reporters reached out for comment from martin baron, retired former executive editor of the washington post and kind of journalism in this

country. he said quote, this is cowardice, a moment of darkness that will leave democracy as a casualty. donald trump will celebrate this as an invitation to further intimidate the post owner, jeff bezos and other ed owners. history will mark a disturbing chapter of spinelessness and institution of courage, end quote. joining me now is marty baron, newsrooms under his leadership have won 18 pulitzer prizes including 11 with the washington post, for leading the coverage of some of the most important stories of our time, including the january 6th insurrection. his previous work at the boston globe covering x abuse scandal within the church not only won awards, it was made into the academy winning film spotlight. collision of power, chum, bezos and the washington post, a book that is very relevant to what we're talking about. thank you for being on the show this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> you don't do a ton of press. when you speak, journalists

attention because it means something. there are a good number of people who perhaps do not understand the relationship between the owner of a newspaper, the publisher, and the editorial board, and reported. give us a little bit of insight into the relationship and what it means for the owner and publisher of the post to have blocked an endorsement of kamala harris, that was basically repaired. >> at a place like the washington post there is a division between the opinion department and the news department. i was in charge of the news department. it is a political -- it was a typical set up and i was not involved in the opinions. but there are circumstances of this decision to not publish an endorsement. every newspaper can decide whether it wants to issue a political endorsement or not. the decision had been made years ago, two years ago, year

ago, sign, they can decide whether they want to issue an endorsement for president or any other political office. but this was a decision that was announced 11 days before the election, it was not a decision made in consultation with the editorial board. it was a decision that according to the post itself, its own reporting, that was made by jeff bezos and the circumstances are just highly suspect. so that is my concern, and that is why i'm speaking out. normally, if i were at the newspaper i wouldn't be involved in these decisions, of course but i felt it was important to speak out in this instance. >> i want to examine what, without you knowing or be -- me knowing what the reasons are, there are a couple of ideas. timothy snyder talks about obeying and advanced. that worrying about what trump may do when he becomes president and doing things that protect your interests. on the other hand there is a potential business issue that may be that jeff bezos and the publisher, the owner of the "la times" are preserving their potential business interests. to those distinguished --

distinctions matter? obey in advance feels bad in a democracy. media owners having business interests, we are more familiar with. >> i don't know exactly what the circumstances were, but as i said, the circumstances are highly suspect. this is not a decision made a year ago, three years ago or anything like that. the fact is, jeff bezos does have business interests. of course amazon and blue origin, his space country. they have contracts with the government. i was proud that during my time at the post, and during the ownership, during that period he resisted pressure from donald trump, trump try to undermine the amazon business, he said he was do that. he threatened to increase postal rates, double and triple them, quadruple them. he did intervene and attend billion-dollar defense department cloud computing contract to ensure it did not go to amazon. jeff bezos stood up to that.

he let us do our work with full independence. he let the opinions department do their work as well. they actually wrote two editorials against trump's campaign for the presidency, first in 2016 and then 2020. when a question was raised, as to whether they would actually write the editorial in 2016, jeff bezos said, why would we not issue an editorial endorsement. and they went ahead and did so. so i see this as a betrayal of the principles of the post-. and also a betrayal of the practices and principles that jeff bezos himself professed during my time at the washington post. i wrote about that in the book, how he stood up with us. i was proud of that, i was rightful for that. but this is something different. >> a lot of strong reactions including by people who are canceling subscriptions to the post and "la times". it is a double-edged sword. as in other washington post journalist points out, she is asking people not to cancel

subscriptions because as she said, it will only hurt the independent newsgathering my colleagues and i strive to do for you every day, end quote. this is a tricky one. people have limited means in which to express dissatisfaction with media organizations and one of them is canceling their subscription. >> yeah, i -- i still have my subscription and i encourage people to keep their subscriptions. their subscriptions provide resources to do the kind of investigative work that many colleagues, their terrific colleagues are doing every single day. a lot of what people know about donald trump and also what they know about kamala harris comes from the work of the newsroom of the washington post and other ager institutions like the "new york times". they need the resources to do that work. to continue to do outstanding investigative journalism. believe in their mission of holding the powerful accountable, that includes politicians and certainly the president of the united states and people who aspire to be the president of the united states, which is the most powerful

position in the world. i want to support that kind of work. so i maintain my subscription. i understand people are deeply upset and want to register their concern, but i think people should try to imagine a world without a washington post emma without the work that they are doing every day and that would be, we would be weaker as a democracy. the post makes contributions with journalism every single day, to this democracy and i hope that we have the post around to do that kind of work. spout good to see you, thank you for joining us. it is a special occasion because you don't go out there at 10 to comment on things. marty baer is former executive editor of the washington post, author of collision of power, trump, bezos and the washington post. how dangerous is running a dangerous shadow foreign policy and a scholar whose been warning us for years about donald trump's fascist tendencies, resigned from the washington post this week. you will join me to talk about why. struck warnings from inside the republican party are growing in

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an aura of crude strength and machismo, a boosting of disrespect for the niceties of the democratic culture he claims and his followers believe, has produced national weakness and incompetence, end quote. wise words. could've been published last week. he wrote that in may of 2016, before donald trump ascended to office. after his resignation he told the daily beast the washington post billionaire owner jeff bezos engaged in a pretty -- quid pro quo with donald trump after the president met with blue origin space company. the endorsement was killed, the same day. after quick ray, robert kagan joins us to talk about this and what it means. t means. the farmer's dog, he lost so much weight. pre-portioned packs makes it really easy to keep him lean and healthy. in the morning, he flies up the stairs and hops up on my bed. in the past, he would not have been able to do any of those things. when my doctor gave me breztri for my copd

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the motto we adopted in the middle of the trump residence, democracy dies in darkness. the decision to not endorse, in the selection, the most consequential in our nations history, is abominable. not endorsing in general and in particular, not following through with the boards reported plans to endorse vice president harris, is a violation of what many saw as a secret bow to our readers. to not let democracy die in darkness. to report, so that the people may know. >> that was my friend and msnbc colleague jonathan capehart who serves as associate editor with the washington post. criticizing the papers decision not to endorse a candidate for president. the choice made by the papers billionaire owner jeff bezos has drawn the ire of readers and journalists alike hear i'm joined by someone who has resigned his position at the washington post in response to that decision. robert kagan a senior fellow at foreign-policy at the institution, a former editor at large at the washington post.

is the author of the book rebellion, how anti-liberalism is tearing america apart again. robert, great to have you. i want to warn you, we're monitoring kamala harris movements in philadelphia so i might need to dip in if she talks to reporters but this is an important conversation and you heard the conversation with marty baron, that it is a bit of a betrayal. as jonathan capehart said, the washington post really and into the idea that democracy dies in darkness, it kind of dies in silence, too. >> yes, and you know, we can have a discussion about whether newspapers should endorse or not endorse. it is interesting conversation but the really important thing to see here, is that this is how american institutions fail to protect us. the washington post is one of those institutions. it represents the free press in this country. and we are seeing now, i think, a preview of coming attractions of what things are going to be like donald trump is president.

the bullying of the media, and the acquiescence of the media to donald trump's wishes. this is a pre-emptive capitulation on the part of jeff bezos, for purely a business reason. i think it is very clear what his motives were. >> what is interesting to me, as journalists we are subject to threats and accusations and people don't like us. that we sign up for that. we decide we are in this fight. the message this sends to readers, and two people out there, is that when the institution, when the fourth estate starts to crumble, we have seen elements of government crumble. we have seen the court succumb to donald trump and his bullying tactics. they kind of need to believe that the press is fine with being called to the enemy of the people and is fine with the criticism and doesn't need to cut deals with somebody who might be the president of the united states. >> right, and clearly we are seeing how that may not be true. and we have fabulously powerful corporate entities, in charge

of news organizations, we can anticipate, and we're seeing it right here, that those corporate entities will choose their profits and their effort to keep their businesses from being attacked by someone like donald trump. they will place that over the priority of fulfilling the mission that an institution like the washington post has in the country. >> one of the interesting things about you in particular, you identify as conservative. you have been critical of donald trump. those are not usually exclusive at all. -- continues to identify as a conservative, let people do. but they see the fascism. you wrote about this a long time ago, before it was acceptable for people to even say that word. many people three months ago would have said, your hair is on fire, why are you talking about fascism. is just donald trump being donald trump. identified this a long time ago. it is only borne fruit since

then, that he says all the things out loud that he's going to do. there's no reason to disbelieve that donald trump is going to bring up for terry's and him and fascism to this government. spoke no, and that keeping, i don't throw that word around loosely. it is a very specific term but it is that democracy in particular faces and what we are seeing, it isn't only so much what donald trump does, it is what his followers do. i think it is pretty clear, that donald trump believes, and his followers want to hear, that he will be dictator for a day, or that he will rule in an authoritarian fashion because the more he talks about it, the more enthusiasm he seems to have on his side. so we have to face reality, that a significant chunk of the american public, is in a way, weary or just -- distrustful of democracy, not just with the democratic party, and are willing to see a strongman take power. this means that america is not as unusual as we think. this --

>> there is a good thought there with robert kagan. i can't get the end of it but i will get it and tell you what it is. robert kagan is the former editor at large now because he resigned from the post the with the washington post. and it brings up an interesting point, that i will deal with after the election, and that is a conversation about whether or not newspaper should be endorsing candidates. not a discussion to have 11 days before the most important election day in our recent country's history. we are going to take a quick rake. we are moments away, waiting comments from vice president kamala harris. you can see the press has assembled in west philadelphia. we will bring the marks as -- the remarks as soon as they come in. we will be right back. ht back. dr. c?! ♪♪ not all toothpastes whiten the same.

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we go to west philadelphia. kamala harris taking questions from reporters.

>> around common desires and challenges whether it bring down prices of every day necessities or what we can do to invest in small businesses and lift up our families. and this obviously will be in stark contrast to donald trump. who increasingly is using dark and divisive language, even more than he has done in the past. he talks about america being the garbage can of the world. and just continuously, i think the means the character and nature of who we are as americans, and to the american people are. and it is intended to keep fanning the flames of hate and division. referring to beautiful american historic american cities like detroit and philadelphia and such disparaging words. and as we said, even this morning, people are ready to turn the page. and that is all i have. >> madam vice president, pennsylvania has been focused, the selection for both campaigns.

what you make of the activity that elon musk is involved in, with the state, and you worry about any difference including what day >> i haven't really been paying attention. i am focused on our work. but thank you for asking. >> madam vice president, you talked about new homebuyers and $25,000 for them. what about people who are currently in their homes, as neighborhoods gentrify and prices go up hear what would you do for them? >> for current homeowners, they are still facing the challenges, whether it be what we need to do about an issue, i have addressed over the last four years, dealing with fair appraisal values and making sure the appraisals are fair, especially for people living in minority and black-owned communities, in terms of housing. and high levels of homeownership, we have seen bias. but also just bringing down the price of everyday living whether it be groceries and what i'm going to do to address rice gouging or what we need to do, to expand the child tax

credit to help people have more resources. for fundamental phases of the child's development. the work we are doing is about small businesses. a lot of neighborhoods, as we know in philadelphia and around the country, those homeowners often are also small business owners and need more support. a lot of my plan is about giving them tax cuts and also cutting a lot of red tape so that they can continue to grow and prosper. so there are multiple multitude issues that affect homeowners, including obviously challenges of homeownership itself. >> madam vice president, are you getting turnout that you need right here in philadelphia, and pennsylvania, among black voters, are you concerned you're going to get the level that you need to to win the state? >> i am very excited about the reports we are getting, the enthusiasm here and philadelphia. here point, philadelphia is a

very important part of our path to victory and it is the reason i am spending time here, have been spending time here. but i am feeling very optimistic about the enthusiasm that is here and the commitment that folks of every background have to vote, and to really invest in the future of our country. voters are exhausted with things as they have been and they are prepared to act on those feelings. >> madam vice president, the former president said he has spoken to netanyahu multiple times. are you concerned those conversations are undermining what the administration is trying to do? >> no. and i do believe that it is critically important, that we, as united states of america, being an active participant, and encouraging that this war ends, that we get the hostages out, but also that there is a real commitment among nations to a two state solution, and the day after. and we have to fulfill that responsibility. >> vice president harris, as you go out into the community today, what is it that you can

do or strategy -- misinformation of political ads and what your opponent is saying. spoke to your point, there is a lot of misinformation and he is putting tens of millions of dollars into various tv markets around the country. and what i am heartened by is that folks in the community, when i am there, they are aware of it, and frankly don't want to be played. they are aware of fat, and what i am seeing is that not only are they aware of the misinformation, but they are also aware, if not eager, to know and hear more details about my plan for them. whether it be again on the issue of homeownership, bringing down costs, investing in small businesses, investing in families including families with children, and folks are very receptive to that. i think that people really do want to know and see and feel

that their leaders, and that their president is prepared to do the hard work of thinking about them, not themselves. like donald trump. and has a plan, that will be implemented on day one, and i have been very clear about that, as well. imagine the oval office on january 20th. it is going to be one of two people. donald trump or me. and if it's donald trump, you can see what is going to be. it is going to be him sitting at that desk, stewing over his enemy list. he is full of grievance. he is full of dark language, that is about retribution and revenge. and so the american people have a choice. it is either going to be that or it will be me there. focused on my to do list. focused on the american people and getting through that list of goals and plans to improve the lives of the american

people. >> madam vice president, can you give us a sense of your internal polling at the campaign and how it is making or influencing decisions on what to do over the next nine days. spoke to be very frank, my internal polling is my instinct. i let the campaign people deal with the other stuff. and i am responding to what i am saying. just two nights ago, 30,000 people showed up. i think it was -- with incredible enthusiasm. if you see the people have shown up last night, every event that we do, and the feeling is one of energy and excitement. what i love about the folks who are showing up, is it is every walk of who we are as a country, and americans. every race, age, gender, from all different backgrounds, together under one roof. it is very exciting. the number of young people. i have begun to point out that

first-time voters who are there, is now people who are registered and it is very exciting. and the momentum is with us. >> thank you. >> pennsylvania will be key, no doubt. kamala harris, after being in a church in west philadelphia, participating in the souls to the pool movement where people go to church and go to vote. with days to go before the election, it's becoming evident that former president donald trump is running as shadow foreign policy. in the days before israel's retaliatory strike on iran yesterday, donald trump told a rally crowd in the state of georgia that quote, bb as he calls benjamin netanyahu, called him twice in as many days. a week ago trump boasted of a telephone conversation, which they had because trump claim to the prime minister quote, wants my view on things. trump also

said he would use force to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, something he reportedly wanted to do in the days after he lost the 2020 election, even asking top advisers in an oval office meeting what options he had. speaking of ron, trump is conducting a shadow foreign policy with one of two rounds important allies, russia's vladimir putin. responding to a report that he had numerous phone calls with putin since leaving office, he said it would be a smart thing if he did but denies he has. last week, u.s. intelligence agencies announced in an assessment that russia is continuing to work to benefit donald trump this election cycle, warning that quote, russian actors are considering and in some cases implementing a broad range of influence efforts tied to the election. summer aimed at inciting violence and calling into question the validity of democracy. others are aimed at amplifying inflammation and mercy that may exacerbate postelection tensions. and friday night, u.s. intelligence agency announced quote, russian actors manufactured and amplified a recent video that falsely depicted an individual ripping up ballots in pennsylvania, and quote.

this type of influence is currently going on in other countries with important elections as well. recent election in moldova, which had to do with that country's future in the eu was hit with quote, unprecedented russian influence per the president. allegations echoed by the eu, and united states. authorities also alleged a russian linked multimillion dollar vote buying scheme, and a russian scheme that plotted civil unrest in moldova around the referendum. that referendum wound up by a very slim margin, passing in favor of enshrining the goal of moldova joining the european union. a similar situation with different results has been unfolding in the country of georgia. the place that trump campaign recently featured in an ad when asking people to register to vote, in the u.s. state of georgia. yesterday, in the country of georgia the eastern european country held what was widely

viewed as the country's most important parliamentary election since gaining independence from the soviet union in 1991. pending the russian friendly anti-western georgian dream party, led by a billionaire businessman named -- who made his fortune in russia following the collapse of the ussr against a coalition of pro- western opposition parties. like ukraine, georgia has also been invaded by russia during a deadly and destructive short war in 2008. and russia, still occupies 20% of georgia. ahead of voting, one russian disinformation campaign aimed at the election, was alleged by a georgian monitoring group, and multiple claims of election fraud were made yesterday. violence, intimidation and bribery were reported and in an outcome fraught with controversy, -- has been declared the winner, putting the country's future in the eu, into question and aligning it closer with russia. the journalist, host of black

diplomats on youtube, whose coverage from early days of the ukraine war was spotlighted heavily on the show, is in georgia, reporting from georgia with the support of pulitzer center. he spoke to voters about thoughts on george's election and america's upcoming one. >> why did you vote against georgia dream? >> because i think georgian dream is under russian influence. the oligarchy issue is putin's personal representation in georgia and i don't want that. i want democracy in georgia and i want european western civilization. >> and do you think that trump is better for georgia or kamala harris? >> no, kamala harris is better, of course because we don't know about putin's relationships. >> who do you think is better for georgia, kamala harris or donald trump? >> i think more it is kamala harris. >> what you think about donald trump? >> well, okay, what do i think about donald trump, i will

definitely vote for kamala harris. >> what you think about donald trump? buck i think he be crazy. i support him. >> and of course, he continues to report. thank you terrel and the pulitzer center for that reporting. we will be right back. back. breathe, ahhhh! what is — wow! sinex. breathe. ahhhhhh!

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with nine days until election day, the sheer volume of republican opposition to donald trump's candidacy, a steady stream has become a flood, should serve as perhaps the most powerful warning of how dangerous he is. we're watching lifelong republicans, not only publicly denounce donald trump and when he is a fascist but many are now actively working to get mice present kamala harris

elected. a candidate from the other party, with whom they agree on almost nothing. former congressman -- congresswoman liz cheney, a leading ideological conservative, campaigning for kamala harris and the down ballot republicans. her father, republican dick cheney followed her lead. oklahoma city mayor, mesa arizona mayor, john giles, lakisha, wisconsin mayor, all leaders and the republican strongholds republic -- endorsing kamala harris. fred upton who represented michigan for three decades told the detroit news he would be backing here is and said trump is quote, totally unhinged. former illinois congressman adam kinzinger endorsed harris as well saying the democratic national convention that donald trump is quote, suffocating the soul of the republican party. alberto gonzales who served as attorney general in george w. bush's administration backed harris in an op-ed in politico last month where he also called trump, perhaps the most serious threat to the rule of law in a generation, end quote. former republican senator jeff flake of arizona joined me on the show last weekend and told me he would be voting for harris and hoped his party would quote move on from trump.

17 former staff members of the late republican president ronald reagan are endorsing harris and said in a joint statement that if reagan were alive, he would have supported harris. more than 200 republicans who work for president george w. bush, utah senator romney, or late senator john mccain have endorsed vice president kamala harris. last month more than 700 national security leaders and former military officials publicly endorse kamala harris for president. trumps former chief of staff, retired marine general john kelly spoke out this week about his time in the trump white house warning americans that trump fits the destination of a fascist. then 13 former trump white house officials signed an open

letter, backing kelly's claims. the signatories include among others, former white house director of communication, anthony scaramucci, former department of homeland security chief of staff, miles taylor and former national security advisor of the vice president olivia try. joining me now, livia troy, former homeland security adviser, and adviser to mike pence, a contributor to the courier newsroom. and member of republicans for harris movement. rick wilson is cofounder of the lincoln project, host of the enemies list podcast and author of running against the devil, a plot to save america from trump and democrats from themselves. welcome to both of you. thank you for being with us. rick, enemies list, interesting title, you have come up with good titles for your books but it is actually a real thing today. there's actually an enemies list. kamala harris said at the church in philadelphia, that they wanted trump's office, he is not going to be working on policy commies going to get through his enemies list to see what he can do with them. you are right, both of you. >> we certainly are and i will say, when donald trump says he has an enemies list, we should not fall into the trap of saying, take trump literally serious but not --. he means this literally. he means this in action and intent and desire.

and for those of us who opposed us from the right, those from the conservative movement to understand that kamala harris is the conservative choice for president, versus the radical authoritarian choice and donald trump, we are on that list. but all of us are standing up and encouraging our friends who are quietly whispering to us and i'm sure olivia can tell you, too, more and more of our friends, we haven't talked to for years, i can say in public that i am -- i can't say it out loud but i can't do this anymore. he has broken part of the party off. it is not the majority of the party but it is a big enough plurality that we are going to take him out in about a week. >> joe walsh has been making the point, that he's talking to republicans. yesterday morning, judge made the point, he is a conservative, he's always been a conservative. it's not about whether he agrees with kamala harris on policy. we are not there yet. we will get there if kamala harris is present, we can go back to arguments in which conservatives and liberals can

debate the way we have done for 248 years in this country with the exception of the civil war. that is not the point. the point is not whether he's more conservative or as conservative as you want them to be. the point is whether you will have a country to debate in and after the election. >> yeah, that is exactly it and i would say that you are seeing all these voices come forward because it is truly about our love for the greater good of the country. about our viewpoint on what does america look like after this election. what do we look like in front of the entire world. because the entire world is watching and they are wondering, what is about to happen to american democracy. in this moment, all of us have been worrying that -- like many of us have been saying that he is unfit to be in the oval office. and none of this is hyperbole. i know a lot of people out there have the past few months that it is hyperbolic, he won't do these things. and i will say this, it is not just people like me. who served in the white house, who were on the enemies list.

it is people like you, it is people in the media. it is actually anyone who crosses donald trump. anyone who is an inconvenience to him. and what he stands for and what he wants. is focus on himself and so it is all of us in america. because at some point, should you cross donald trump and he ends up back in the oval office, you will also be on the enemies list as well. >> rick, talk to me. on wednesday, kamala harris is going to make a closing argument as it were and there are probably three groups of people. she's got to talk to, to who she has to talk to to motivate them to vote. people on the left have to be motivated who don't think she's left enough or is part of the antiwar movement who have to be motivated and many have made that point, for muslims and arabs, donald trump is not better for you. then there are people on the right. what is your closing argument to people on the right?

i am hearing from some who say, i may not vote for trump, not voting for harris though. >> the closing argument on the right is fundamental. it is that one of the deepest rooting aspects of conservatism is the rule of law. and that is if you live in a country with the rule of law, that enables everything else. it enables the markets. it enables the vigil responsibility's. it enables the power to conduct your life in a way that isn't controlled by the state. what trump is offering right now, is a statist authoritarian vision of the future. that is something that is profoundly on conservative. it is profoundly radical authoritarian. it is a closing argument she can point to on the ellipse, where she's going to call americans to our better selves, where she's going to call americans to the constitution and the republic and to our representative democracy. it is the same spot, on that ellipse, where donald trump called a mob of terrorists to attack the united states capitol, to overturn the free and fair election. it is a moment of shame in our history. she's going to try to give americans a path away from that and that path starts with

rejecting donald trump. >> olivia, you have done something we often focus on, in our banned book club, the dystopian future novels. you have written a letter from prison in 2026 and i think it is important, because what you are doing is allowing people to about the fact that if you -- you are frustrated, you're mad, you don't like somebody well enough, you vote for donald trump or donald trump becomes president. think is through. budget 25, which they say has a 180 day policy turnaround, some of these things can be done in six months but they are going to try. you are at the end of 2025 and you are into 2026 and you might have second thoughts about what donald trump being president of the united states. it could be very dire and dark by then. america is not invincible. >> no, we're not and i would ask people to look back on what the first year of donald trump's presidency look fight. the chaos at the airports. i lived all of that firsthand. i live the travel ban firsthand. i had to work on that.

the airports, remember people wondering what was happening. and that is what i see in the future in a donald trump presidency, and i will be honest with you, that was hard for me. to write that letter and to put myself in those shoes and say, these are all the things that america can face and this is what it could possibly look like . and i know that i got responses from it, people who are like, it would take 10, 20 years to dismantle our democracy. that would never come true, it's not enough time. that is absolutely false because what we are seeing right now is the erosion of the pillars of democracy in real time. >> and rick, i don't -- i hate holocaust comparisons because i hope we never have to speak about things like that but germany came apart real fast. just to be clear, that was fully established society in which hitler, who is also seen as a joke and not taken seriously and was crazy stuff, all of a sudden dismantled the entire establishment of the german government and its

institutions. we're watching that happen in real time. you have been yelling at the top of your lungs for years. the future has caught up to you. >> you know, in germany when hitler was brought into the government, what happened, then vice president of the german government, brought hitler into the coalition and one year later, -- occurred. shortly thereafter the german enabling law, put the nazis in power until it off hitler died in a bunker at the cost of 100 million lives throughout europe and the world. at that point, they thought, it is a joke. he is a lightweight. he is part of our coalition. people taken seriously but not literally. we will have has fun and bring him under control. olivia satte firsthand, plenty of republicans that we can control trump. we can make him do what we want. we can maneuver him. and now he understands that a second term, given the supreme court's ruling, could be lawless without consequence, can be punitive, because his base add media apparatus will reward him for it.

we are in a moment now where 1939 is knocking loudly on the door and authoritarians always do the same thing. they tell you what they are going to do. they promise retribution and revenge. donald trump's statements right now, we just released an ad, playing all of donald trump's statements in the original german as we like to say. this guy is holding a rally tonight, that is reminiscent of a german -- the american movement in the 1930s, the american nazis party at madison square garden. is going to play the same tropes. is going to say the same words. if you think that is the future that he's doing for fun, or to sell it to the rubes, you are mistake it. that is his attempt, his of you rick wilson, cofounder of the lincoln project, and a former republican strategist. that does it for me. thank you for watching. inside with jen psaki begins now.