women's issues. >> we have the harris campaign, new ads, ashley, airing during nfl games today, governor tim walz and congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez will livestream on twitch. trump has worked to make gains with young men but does this show the harris campaign is not ready to give up that group without a fight? >> yeah. a show she is taking this wrists -- race seriously. she is not letting any stone go unturned. it is smart of her to do that. who knows what it will result in but that is a very disengaged group of voters. she is only up by 17% with young males under 30. again, very disengaged group of

top of the hour. good day to you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. we are beaming this hour with decision 2024 of the decision for the white house. in the final full week of campaigning, nine days away from election day. right now, vice president kamala harris is pressing in battleground pennsylvania and former president donald trump is gearing up for a rally at madison square garden here in new york city. as we have been saying for weeks on end, the latest polls show the race as a dead heat with harris and trump tied as well as in battleground states. the latest nbc news count, more an 32 million americans have already voted. steve kornacki shows us where trump has an advantage. here's part of his report on meet the press. >> from our nbc polling, a merge of all of our data, for those who voted in the 2020 presidential election and the 2022 midterms, harris with a six point lead. the most reliable block of voters.

those who only voted in the 2020 presidential, that's where trump opens up a lead. those who didn't vote, that's where trump has his biggest advantage over harris. the actually going to vote this time around? >> tomorrow, harris will be in battleground michigan. she will speak about washington, d.c. wednesday as she heads to north carolina, pennsylvania, and wisconsin and onto nevada and arizona on thursday. today surrogates for both campaigns are closing their messages to voters. >> america is ready to move differently, and donald trump is the best hope to put out the fires in the world and the war on ukraine to bring about peace in the middle east to restore broken borders and get the economy humming. >> obviously, she supports the policies that america's of works. the inflation reduction act, manufacturing jobs back to the united states of america, creating 16 million jobs. what you have seen her distinguish herself by saying i

am really going to lean and on reducing people's cost, the inflation is too high, that i'm going to fight really hard to give a tax break to 100 million americans. >> remind him of his inaction on january 6th when the vice president speaks at the ellipse. >> look. just imagine the oval office on january 20th. it's going to be one or two people. it's going to be donald trump or me. if it is donald trump, you can see what that is going to be. it will be him sitting at that desk stewing over his enemies list. he is full of grievance. he is full of dark language that is about retribution and revenge. >> as we prepare for a nailbiter finished, motivated voters have shown upper early voting here in new york as well as in michigan, and they are talking to nbc news about the

choices they are making. >> i have heard so much about trump being angry and he is a fascist and a dictator. but the problem is, when i listen to him, i don't hear any of that. >> this is a huge thing. i never thought i would see a woman be a presidents. a black woman at that. this is a game changer and she's going to open doors for other women. >> we reporters and analysts in place, and first we are going to turn to abc's bond billiard is made his way inside madison square garden here in new york city. talk about the mood there. is there a lot of music underway? what's happening on the stage behind you? >> right. we are waiting for the speakers are to be given that begins with the likes of elon musk and robert jenny jr. jd vance is going to be speaking as well. trump himself is going to be taking the stage at 5:00 p.m.

eastern time, so about two hours for right now. for donald trump, his going back home to his native state inside of madison square garden. it is still getting filled up here in the upper rafters as we speak right now. alex, you and i spoke when he was in california coachella, and he has tried to draw this contrast with these blue states and other cities suggesting they would be better run by publicans. he said that in 2024, and a campaign stop is more nationalized than ever before, so they will continue to at the battleground states. but they are filling up madison square garden, an iconic venue like this will be able to make the rounds on social media, youtube. other people will be able to see it. also if you are donald trump, has consistently said that he believes that new york is in play. he lost it by 21 points in 2016. he lost about 23 points in 2020. and donald trump has suggested that he thinks he can win the

big apple in 2024. take a listen to the fuel folks i talked to outside of madison square garden about that. >> i am excited. i'm really excited. i can't wait. it could be a swing state. i don't know what to expect yet. i'm just excited to see that he is here. >> and donald trump win new york? >> you've got to. he's got two. he would never do anything or put his name to anything if he's not onto it. >> you think you will win new york? >> absolutely. >> i asked most of the folks outside the arena here about their thoughts on john kelly and the former chief of staff statement calling trump an authoritarian here. just over a week until the election as well as others like my pants and other cabinet officials were not longer explicitly supporting donald trump in this bid. each of the individuals i talked to, their response varied, but to a certain extent, it was dismissive of

those individuals, saying ultimately it is the people that are backing donald trump in 2024. they say donald trump's success, he has a cast of new people around him that will better equip them for 2025. >> vaughn hillyard, thanks so much for all that, being inside madison square garden. as we move now to allie raffa, where harris has been meeting black and latino voters. we should let you know if you don't already know at the youth basketball facility, where she is currently meeting with some players there and another day of retail politics for her. she's been in a church, a bookstore, a restaurant. i think i missed one place, but nonetheless, we are seeing evidence of retail politics and getting to see people one on one and talk with her. what are you observing there in philadelphia? >> it has been hard to keep track of all of her movements as she crisscrosses the city of

brotherly love today. as you mentioned, focusing on those predominantly black and latino communities in this democratic stronghold that harris herself admits is critical to her path to victory in just nine days. and especially now, given that the race remains neck and neck on the election, we are seeing her really give this her all and really poor all of the voters, all the democratic voters in the city to get out and support her. as you mentioned, she was at a church service earlier today. her campaign is part of the pole effort sending black congregants in that church service to leave and head straight to the polls to vote afterwards. she then went on to visit a black barbershop where she spoke with young black men about better pay and better job opportunities that she promise them if they were to win the white house. and then she stopped at a black owned business, a bookstore.

went on and as part of recording of latino voters, visit a puerto rican restaurant where she talked about her puerto rico policies and also, again, talked about the importance of not just the city, but the state in just nine days. listen to her comments here. >> there is a path of victory that runs through philly and it runs through pennsylvania. i really believe that we are all part of the new generation that is optimistic. and ambitious. and may i say for myself, quite impatient. knowing that we can get things done. >> harris is counting on voters to come out in record numbers here in philly proper and just nine days. and that is especially important if she doesn't perform well in philadelphia's suburbs. remember, the suburbs were critical to helping president biden flip pennsylvania blue in 2020, and the campaign is

preparing for sort of a backup plan for that scenario. the harris campaign, relying on a massive doorknocking effort led by thousands of volunteers across the philly suburbs, trying to convince those anti- trump republicans were still not sold on harris to come out and support her. obviously, time is ticking for that effort to go underway. >> right you are. thank you so much. joining me now, we have quality fair correspondent and host of the fast podcast. also joining us, we have melanie, single congressional reporter with msnbc political contributor. look where you are, melanie. what are you seeing there in madison square garden? >> yeah, we're here madison square garden right now. dreamed about doing an event here in such an iconic venue,

but i have to tell you, it's a little bit strange to me in such a blue part of the country, just nine days before the election. if you talk to some of trump's adviser, their theory is that such a high-profile event like this is getting a lot of national attention. it's going to draw headlines, is going to reach voters that may be on here in new york city, but another element at play here is this is going to be a huge fundraising event for donald trump. i got my hands on one of the invite, and they are operating, the quotes, ultra maga experience. $4 million a pop for some of these donors. so while there may be some political reasons here ultimately, this is a financial moment for him. >> okay. nice talking over the very loud, loud music and dinging behind you. but molly, new york, far from a battleground state. is this a smart decision for him politically, or is it a waste of time for trump? >> i think melanie has a really

good point, that trump needs to raise money. he has really seen a cash crunch, so i think that's part of it. trump operates in this post ecosystem, so you saw when he was talking to those people out and waiting online and they were saying, well, trump could win. john thinks he can win, he can win. a lot of this is operating in this sort of post-truth. he is sort of suspending his disbelief. he wants his people to think so much of trump and so much of the campaign is him saying, we are going to win and his people saying he's going to win. he wants people to think is going to win. you know, obviously he's not going to win new york, but this is a sort of kind of way of activating his base, getting them excited, and of course, raising money. >> a new abc news if so's poll shows the vice president leading donald trump among all registered voters by two point. 5% of registered voters polled said that they are voting for

something else, what else, rather, they are undecided. how unusual is it to see voters this undecided this close to election day? we are only nine days away. >> i don't think it's not unusual to see those numbers and i also don't think there's much of this poll that is surprising. you know this race is going to be a coin toss. we knew donald trump was living on issues of immigration and crime and inflation and we also knew that kamala harris had an upper hand when it came to topics of abortion and when it comes to trusting her with democracy. that is why you see it in such a close race. one thing that did really stand out to me was that there has been some shift in terms of the number of voters listing the economy as their topmost issue. so that could be a huge boon for kamala harris. we've also seen her really lean into a democracy message in the closing stretch. she is also going to have her own rally at the ellipse, or donald trump had his rally before the insurrection. >> what about, molly, the early voters as we look by gender?

we see the larger number of females than men. democrats have a slight lead over republicans. is there anything to take away from this, or is it still too early to make any grand assumptions? >> well, again, early voting is like looking at room, right? it's open to a lot of interpretation. but certainly, you know, you seeing in the polling there is a huge gender gap. so it is fair to assume that certainly trump is really doubling down on male voters, whereas harris has a bit of a lead on female voters. so many of these, you saw michelle obama talk about this. this idea of, do this for your daughter or your wife or your sister. you know, because post roe, abortion is a huge issue. and especially what we saw it harris, what they went to texas because of sb 8, and because texas was a state where a year

before roe, the actually repealed abortion in that state. and you see now studies from this that have shown that there is greater mortality among infants, right? newborns are dying at a higher rate because of the repeal of roe. and so i do think that this is actually very salient issue that women will vote on. again, if so early to make a call like that. >> in the final stretch, melanie, harris campaign is focusing on disaffected republicans. there some political observers saying there are a lot of republicans who don't want to publicly state their support for trump and actually could pull the lever for him in the ballot box. does that track with what you have been hearing? >> yeah. the harris campaign certainly has been making a concerted effort to woo some of these disaffected republicans, these anti-trump republicans. and many of them who explicitly

abandon trump after january 6th. this could be a risky strategy, because it could be progressives who are turned off by liz cheney, putting her on the campaign trail like they did last week. obviously, the left is long reviled the treaties. and there's already a segment of the, you know, the base that is unhappy with how the administration is handled the situation in the middle east. but at the same time, there is a side who may be willing to -- that may make the difference. if you talk to harris's campaign, a point out of pennsylvania, around 16% of the vote in the primary after she dropped out. how many of those voters are actually willing to vote for kamala harris and don't align with her on any issues? that is the issue, but she has a permission structure for those republicans to vote this one time for kamala harris. >> melanie and molly, please stay with me. we'll get just a couple of minutes with you. and while, the message michelle

obama wants men to hear about in this presidential race. we are back in 90 seconds. seco.

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taking a more intimate approach today as she takes a bunch of retail campaign stops across the swing state of pennsylvania. joining me now, we have senator tina smith. thank you so much for joining me. first, let's go to donald trump's madison square garden event later today. you think he has any clue that this rally from 1939, and how does it contrast with harris's campaign stops today, the retail politics? she's been at a barbershop, a bookstore, a restaurant. she's not a basket bar arena. >> thank you. it's okay to be with you. it's impossible for me to believe that donald trump and his campaign aren't aware of the echoes of his appearance at madison square garden to that nazi rally all those years ago. we even saw pictures of him wearing some of the same colors as the proud boys supporters, which he cultivates. so of course, they are aware of this. and you know, at the same time, this madison square garden appearance looks to me like sort of this giant ego trip

. i mean, every day donald trump shows us who he is, and we need to believe him when he shows us. and then in comparison, your vice president harris without talking to people, showing people in her way who she is and what she cares about, who she is listening to, connecting with people, and showing people that she gets their lives. i think as we move into the final days of this campaign, people are looking and thinking about, how to therefore their lives? how do they take control of their own health care, including a portion that the contrast could not be more clear today. >> former first lady michelle obama who made her first appearance on the campaign trail for kamala harris yesterday made her visceral case, particularly to men, why they should care that donald trump would be a danger to women's health. let's take a look at that. >> if your wife is shivering and bleeding on the operating table during a routine delivery gone bad, her pressure dropping as she loses more and more blood

or some unforeseen infection spreads and her doctors aren't sure if they can act, you will be the one praying that it's not too late. you will be the one pleading for somebody, anybody, to do something. >> chilling there. you were a former democratic strategist. how effective was this with the former first lady as a messenger? >> what she did that was so powerful -- i used to work at planned parenthood and i thought every day people walk through the doors of our clinic, and that wasn't a political act for them. it was a personal act. a private decision they were making about their own lives. and what michelle did so powerfully was, speaking directly to men in some cases, to decide the politics. this is an apolitical disagreement. this is whether the women that you love are going to be able to get the health care that they need, in some cases to save their lives. i think that taking it out of the political context and putting it squarely in that personal frame is very

impactful and, really, i think it's the issues and why so many people find this issue of reproductive freedom so powerful and such a mobilizing issue as they decide who they want to be in the white house. because there is, again, a huge difference here in terms of what donald trump will do and what kamala harris will do. >> sage advice, it's not a political decision when a woman is going into a clinic to every productive healthcare services like that. and donald trump has repeated his threats against political adversaries in the final days of the election. he has singled out your capitol hill colleagues, representative adam schiff and nancy pelosi as examples of who he considers to be the enemy within. friday, he told podcaster joe rogan that the enemy within posted a bigger threat to the nation the north korea leader kim jong-un. how do you interpret all of that? >> again, here he is telling us who he is, what he plans to do.

and these language of the enemy within is old language. it connects directly to the old days of mccarthy where we had political leaders who are trying to get us to turn against ourselves. and what donald trump says that he is going to use the power of the government to prosecute his political enemies, i think that we should believe him. it's stunning to me again to listen to his running mate jd vance today basically tried to gaslight us all into believing that none of that is really real, and that's not really what he was saying. let's pay attention to what the man is saying and we should take it seriously. hold him accountable for it. >> let's talk about the battle for the senate. we have the cook political report which says 9 political races could determine the balance of power, four of which they describe as tossup so this point in your neighboring state of wisconsin. tammy baldwin is now neck and neck with republican eric co. . in pennsylvania, senator bob casey's lead over dave mccormick

now shrinking. ohio, we see senator sharad brown trying to hold off former car dealer bernie marino. what are you hearing about democrats overcoming these challenges? >> so i have been working to help lead the democratic senatorial campaign committee, and we have known all along that these races in the battleground seats were going to be so close. and of course, that's exactly where we are. as we head into the final days of this campaign, we have a couple of key advantages that we believe will cause us to get forward at the end. we have very strong candidates who have run and won in the states, running against people like mccormick in pennsylvania, and in some cases, barely even living in their states. but then the third advantage that we have is just tremendous on the ground momentum. thousands and thousands of volunteers that are turning out, i have campaigned in

wisconsin. i'm going to go back again before election day, and you see that on the ground, and that makes a difference in these very close races where, who turns out to vote, who feels that, yes, i am going to vote. my voice is powerful and i'm going to use it -- takes a difference. these races that will be decided by a few thousand people in some cases. >> i know i mispronounced it that first time. democrats are also hoping for a blue miracle in texas. colin allred is catching up to senator ted cruz. what is it going to take for allred to win? >> colin allred is a great candidate. he's connecting the people all over the state, and ted cruz barely won when he last ran. he is universally disliked, nearly in texas, and so i think there is a great hope that colin is going to be able to point it out. when the vice president went to texas a couple of days ago, she was really drawing attention again to the issue of reproductive freedom. a very important issue in the senate race, as colin is saying strongly and firmly -- i

believe that you want to have the right to make your own decisions about your health care, including abortion, and ted cruz is on a completely different page and that is not where most texas voters are. almost anything could happen in texas, i think there's a real chance there. >> i'm glad we are on the same page. thank you so much for joining me. it's good to see you. near city mayor marek adams sets of about donald trump and fascism. what he said, and why he may have set it next. next. r-o-l-a-i-d-s rolaids' dual-active formula begins to neutralize acid on contact. r-o-l-a-i-d-s spells relief.

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is the best hope to put out the fires in the world and the war in ukraine, to bring about peace in the middle east, to restore a broken border and get the economy humming. >> how does it happen that a billionaire cannot support raising the minimum weight from $7.25 to a living wage? kamala harris supports raising the minimum wage to at least 15 bucks an hour. i would go higher. >> molly, you just heard bernie sanders there delivering an economic message. but the harris camp has been leaning into a more anti-trump message recently. what you think is more effective at this stage in the game, nine days to go? >> i mean, i think they should do everything, but i do think that bernie connects with young voters in a really important way. and democrats have not -- i mean, fetterman a little bit, bernie big-time has been such a good surrogate for harris.

and for biden before that. and that message of economic populism is really important, because democrats actually want to do it, and its politics, and it's good policy. it's also good politics. this is what people vote on, and the federal minimum wage needs to be raised. so it's like all of those things. it's popular, and it's good, and it's moral, and it's correct, and it's also a democrats want to do. i think it's very smart to have bernie out there talking about it. >> what about you, melanie? let's talk about lindsey graham. he's taking the closing argument approach and saying everything was better under the trump administration. and both sanders and graham were delivering more distinct messages, because trump always models his campaign message. >> yeah. one thing you are hearing a lot from republicans and from trump campaigns surrogate is that the harris campaign is looking backward, and that they are focused way too much on the past on, you know, the false claims of the 2020 election was

stolen from trump. they are trying to make that argument, that she is not going to do a whole lot to improve the lives of everyday americans. they really trying to play to the anxieties of americans when it comes to their pocketbook. they been doing a real fear- based messaging when it comes to crime and innovation. there's also been an increase in ads attacking transgender rights. the harris campaign says, look, we can talk about the past, but also turning the page on trump, and it's all about reminding people with a trump presidency was like and reminding him what he would do with another term in office. >> what about this? we have new york city mayor eric adams, who has been indicted on federal bribery and corruption charges who said that trump should not be called a fascist compared to adolf hitler, which kamala harris and former several messages have warned of. adams has a history of declining to criticize trump. what is this? is he aiming for a potential

pardon from trump if he is back in the white house based on the difficulties he is facing right now? >> you know, there's a pattern of corrupt democrats changing party, embracing trump, and then becoming surrogates for him, and you notice that when trump was in office, he awarded a lot of pardons pretty haphazardly to people who had once supported him. so i think it makes a lot of sense if you are eric adams and you are facing -- you are facing down a lot of federal indictment, perhaps even, you know, i don't want to speculate, but he has had a number of resignations in his inner circle. it is hard to imagine that things are -- that this is going to play out well for adams. and so there's a line of thinking that, perhaps, he is more in basing trump and trumpism in the hopes that he can, you know, if trump wins,

perhaps -- and i think that is -- if you are eric adams, you don't have a ton of other choices. >> i want to ask this of you also. because the washington post and los angeles times have both announced they are not what you make an endorsement in the presidential race. post reporters set an endorsement for harris had been written, but the owner, jeff bezos, made the decision to squash it. what you make of these decisions? >> is a real case for katherine graham. the graham family owned the washington post for many years. they were so brave. katherine graham took on the nixon administration. she published, you know, a bernstein and woodward. she was so brave, and that is a kind of bravery that mainstream media needs, you know, to speak truth to power. jeff bezos had an opportunity to speak truth to power, and he declined. i think -- don't listen to me.

listen to marty baron, the previous editor in chief who has a lot to say about it and has given a lot of interviews. it's just, this is a moment when we need bravery, when we need people to stand up. and again, timothy schneider, the very smart academic from yale, talks about the idea that if you are facing authoritarianism, the absolute worst thing that you can do is obey. so there we are. >> okay. i hope to see you guys next weekend. come back next sunday, because it's going to be a big day. thank you. you might have missed it. donald trump told joe rogan about his rivals and north korea dictator kim jong-un. stay tuned.

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>> nine days for the election, and is a former president escalates threats against his political rivals, kamala harris is ratcheting up, saying earlier today in philadelphia, he is full of dark language,

full of retribution and revenge. some republicans are taking issue with the democrats approach. >> three weeks before the election, you are calling basically trump hitler, a fascist. that's not going to resonate. what happened to joy on the democratic side? they went from joy to know trump is hitler. that is desperation. >> joining me now, democratic congressman. always good to see you, my friend. desperation, is that how you describe the harris campaigns messaging in the final days of the selection? >> no, although they seem to have hurt the republicans feelings. too bad about that. no. kamala harris i think is going to close out with a cost-of- living contrast, because that is where we need to seal the deal. americans have largely made up their mind about donald trump's character. i think they realize he is a morally bankrupt human being.

the challenge is to many of them seem to think he has an economic plan. he does not. the plan he has is to continue to hook up the wealthy and well- connected with tax cuts, whereas kamala harris is going to lower the cost of housing by building 3 million more units of housing. she's going to take on pharmacy benefit managers to stop price gouging of prescription drugs and she's going to put money directly in the pockets of average americans with child tax credits. all he can think about is taxes on everyday americans, is tariff plan, and tax cuts for the billionaires. >> donald trump, he joined the joe rogan podcast ready for hours and set his political rivals are a bigger threat to the north korean leader. take a look at this. >> i got to know him very well. we had no problem with him. if you have a smart -- really, the smart president, the right president, you are not would have a problem. i say to people, we have a

bigger problem, in my opinion, with the enemy from within. >> is that message from donald trump resonating with voters? or might this reach a broader audience, and are you concerned by his threats to his political enemies? >> first of all, it's hard even figure out what donald trump is saying. he is incoherent in his speech both at his rallies and in these one-on-one interviews. it's a series of clauses stretched together with only this kind of manic megalomania. and it's concerning. it really reflects upon his mental fitness. number two, of course, when he is communicating is deeply concerning, and this is a pattern over the last decade. he's attacked journalist, he's attacked immigrants, he's attacked veterans and war heroes. he has attacked those with intellectual disabilities. he's attacked women, he's attacked the police. he is someone who values only one thing, and it's loyalty to him. he wants to turn the federal

government to his own fiefdom, and he wants to turn that into a attacked guard against anyone he perceives is disloyal. >> what about this one? because last time, donald trump repeated that kamala harris is going to get the u.s. into world war iii falsely claimed she will reinstate the draft. his hair is prepared to prevent the u.s. from getting further embroiled in the ongoing global conflict? you are going to know, you know what's happening in congress. what you say about that? >> it's facing an axis of authoritarianism. china, russia, north korea are bound together not by a common ideology, not even a bond of alliance, but instead a shared desire to append the rules -based international order and to see america fail. xi jinping has been very clear about this. donald trump's response to that is to give vladimir putin what he wants. he believes in peace through putin. kamala harris believes in peace through strength.

we are going to support our democratic allies in ukraine and taiwan and israel were fighting against this axis of authoritarianism. we know as democrats and americans that autocrats don't stop until they are stopped. >> what you make of the u.s. and south korea saying that 3000 north korean troops have been deployed to russia? they are expecting this total to potentially reach 12,000. ukraine says they could be fighting alongside russian forces as soon as this weekend. does this raise the risk of an escalation in this already protracted conflict? is there anything the u.s. can or should do about it? >> it underscores this axis of authoritarianism that have not had close ties are now working synergistically. i would say on putin side, it's more of an indication of weakness that he has to rely on north korean troops, despite his own conscription. the real concern is, what is russia giving north korea in return? while russia lacks manpower, it does have sophisticated weaponry that north korea wants

and maybe doing a tech chancellor that could endanger south korea. i certainly trust kamala harris to do those negotiations than i do donald trump, we got out negotiated last time he was there. >> the u.s. is calling on iran not to respond after he attacked the military sites in toronto on saturday. biden seemed satisfied that they didn't strike either nuclear or energy targets. israeli pie minister benjamin netanyahu says the attacks met its objectives. will iranian leaders let this retaliatory strike pass, or do you worry it's the beginning of an escalation? >> i'm not going to speak for them, what i will say is israel responded with precision and proportion to what was an unprecedented attack on its own civilians. 180 ballistic missiles against israeli population centers full of civilians. israel responded by taking on military targets in iran. just another example of how

israel is set to standards of conflict and conduct that no other nation around it is being held to. the message of the strike i think was profound in that it disabled iran's air defense capabilities. so it tells iran you are lying prostrate before israel's strikes right now. israel can hit you again and you are now blind, unable to stop those air to service attack vectors. i think it's really going to hold iran's hand. >> always thoughtful and insightful talking to you. see you again soon. next, white oak newspapers are doing something that hasn't been done in decades. decades.

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madison square garden. i strongly disagree. >> joining me now, mark leibowitz, staff writer at the atlantic. hey there, my friend. what's your take on the fascist label on donald trump and why might we be hearing counter arguments like this one from adams? >> well, i think it is almost always responsible for public officials to try to dial down rhetoric. i mean, the question is, first of all, it's kind of ironic that donald trump is theoretically the subject of this, given that he -- there's probably not a single person more responsible for dialing into an irresponsible line of rhetoric than anyone over the last century then donald trump. but also, fascism is a thing. it is a form of government. he has shown a whole bunch of -- between his rhetoric, but also his kind of blatant intolerance of opposing views

and the threats he's made about what he would do to his political opponents or the enemy within, whatever he wants to call it. definitely that goes through a lot of fascist regimes in history. it is definitely a loaded term. it is one that is going to get people's attention. it also is grounded in a lot of, you know, things that donald trump has said and done. there it is. i mean, i think it would be nice to have an election obviously that is sort of played within the bounds of what normal politics used to feel like a few years ago, but it doesn't feel like the world we are living in. >> looking at what is to the left of the screen there, speaking of normal politics or lack thereof, we are seeing rudy giuliani take to the podium there at madison square garden. this talk about what happened on friday. washington post says it's going to stop endorsing presidential candidates. the publisher is saying it's a return to the newspapers roots of non-endorsement. any staffers outraged over that. then you go to california. several resignations from the l.a. times editorial board after that newspaper's owner blocked

that boards plan to endorse vice presidential nominee kamala harris for president of course. what is going on here, mark? >> deftly very concerning. after a former employee of the washington post, i was appalled by that. but i will also say, i think, in the real world, most people don't really look to newspaper editorial boards to sort of help them make their editorial decisions or their voting decisions. but at the same time, clearly the timing of this is weird. the announcement itself is weird. you know, the explanations of it are kind of all over the place. and you just are sort of wondering, i mean, the suspicion of a newspaper, you know, owned by one of, you know, the most prominent and certainly wealthiest people in the world with a lot of business interest before the government, you do have to wonder if they are trying to placate in advance someone who could be elected president. that is the elephant in the room here. obviously, very, very

concerning and you just sort of wonder what the motivations are. >> kamala harris making her closing argument speech tuesday at the site of trump's january 6th remarks before that mob stormed the capital. what do you expect to hear, and is the goal to show americans the stark difference between what trump incited there, and the inspiration that she intends to create in that very same place? >> it wasn't interesting move, and i think given what the history is that i think everyone will know as the immediate echo to that space is , clearly she is going to be closing on a pretty heavy theme of democracy of january 6th, of abuse of power, of all the things that made donald trump, you know, so obviously polarizing, especially on the way out the door. that is really kind of taking it right up to the edge. it is sort of refreshing everyone's memory of what is literally the last thing he did as president that people remember.

and i will be very curious to know what she is going to say. it's going to be kinda strange to go to that place and bring a unifying message there, but i also think it is doable. i think it is important that you do it and really do it anyway that reclaims the public space both physically, but also rhetorically at a moment when obviously, you know, the rhetoric has been so ramped up. i think people would love a healing close here. >> one more quick question. looking at the recent atlantic article, your colleague tom nichols says trump supporters want him to be terrifying and stomach turning. has this become less about the issues and more about some sort of social revenge or something for them? >> said feels like it's been that for the last few cycles. culturally, a lot of these elections are sort of being waged on cultural grounds. there is this maxim that you hear a lot these days which is, if you want to understand an election, inc. about who the two sides really hate. one of the things i think jb vance himself has said was, that

donald trump really angers and triggers all -- he hates all the right people. i think i am paraphrasing, but that itself is, i think, a marker or where things are in america, where the two sides are. it is about -- it is tribalism more than anything else at this point. >> always a pleasure. thank you so much. that's going to do it for today. prime weekend is next. next. ur. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max!