so i'm talking to this guy, very important guy, big, big i guy, and i have the television screen on, and this rocket is coming down. it was pure beautiful white when i left, but it's burned from the fire and the flame, and now i see it coming down like this, and it is like 20 stories tall or something. it is massive. it's coming down. i said, do me a favor. we hold on a moment? this is one of the most important people. just hold on. i put the phone down. by the way, i never picked it up again. you know what these people are going to say? he is cognitively impaired. is cognitively impaired. oh, you don't think so? they are the worst. so i put it down, and i'm watching this rocket and i see the engines and i go, it was looking right next to the entry. i guess they caught the gantry

or whatever they call it. the launching pad. and it's coming down at a bad angle, you want. i wasn't happy and i was little worried. you might've been worried too. i said, oh, no, it's not going to be good. all of a sudden, i saw the flame on the bottom left and it was ripping. the flame was pouring out of that sucker, straightening it out like this, and it came down and it landed and then these two beautiful arms grabbed it and they held it tight. i wasn't sure if it was a movie. i thought it might be one of these crazy movies. and i said, i've got to call you on. i called him and i said, elon, was that you? this is about four minutes after. was that you? yeah, that was me. i say, elon, you are a genius. he is special.

and you know what he wants more than anything else? for our country to be really well-run, solidly run, to be run democratically. all the things that everyone in this room once. honestly, he left that pad and he went to pennsylvania to campaign. can you believe it? and i asked -- >> we have been listening to donald trump speak for about 45 minutes or so at madison square garden. a lot of violent rhetoric there about migrants, rambling at his rally as he normally does. and again, for our viewers that have been watching this, perhaps some questions as to why we would be airing donald trump at this moment in the race. it is not something we do very often or frequently on this network. we did want to play for our viewers trump's remarks , not to platform his policies, but rather the opposite.

so you, the viewers, and the voters in this country can hear for yourself the vision that donald trump and all of his speakers today have outlined if he is given a second term as president in this country. there's a lot of dangerous language, a lot of ugly rhetoric that we are going to unpack over the course of our conversation this hour. i do want to go back to nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard, who has been inside madison square garden throughout this entire afternoon to give us just the context of what we have been seeing in here. >> i think this evening here, it's been reflective and representative of today's republican party like donald trump was at the republican national convention a couple of months ago. it's reflective of the individuals that he believes

that the celebrities of today's gop, and also those of the greatest influence of the electorate. frankly, many members of congress. instead, you have the likes of tucker carlson, you have elon musk, your robert kennedy jr. we are just hearing him talk extensively about elon musk is somebody who went donald trump's first back in the white house, trump repeatedly mocked in social media post. is coming to him begging him for effectively federal contracts. when he was launching truth social, he called elon musk when elon musk was trying to purchase twitter, he called them a.b.s. artist. effectively, the country's largest online town hall, now known as x, elon musk has helped maneuver this to be a pro trump, pro-gop conspiracy theory platform that millions

of americans are getting their information from on a daily basis. and donald trump is not naove to that. the other thing coming out of donald trump's remarks, there's some talk here about the alien enemies act of 1798, which is part of the alien and sedition act. very clear, it would allow him as president of the united states to unilaterally call for the deportation of undocumented individuals in the country over the age of 14. if he determines individuals coming from certain countries to pose a threat to the united states. and you heard this arena of 20,000 americans chanting, quote, send them back. this for donald trump is been on the frontline of his rhetoric about his 2024 presidential bid, and it's his closing message here. this is not a message that we typically hear from presidential candidates either party in history's past.

usually, with a unifying message trying to build a coalition. but for donald trump, we've heard from not only him, but the speakers that he chose to bring on stage here tonight, one who called hillary clinton the devil, another who called her demented, another who called hillary clinton a -- a godforsaken b word. this is, for donald trump, a republican party that i think is represented in the words of dr. phil mcgraw, who took the stage here, is making the case that he is not a bully, and he is the most effective communicator for america and democrats and kamala harris are just not as good at it. i think for 9 1/2 years we have covered donald trump rallies. never one here at madison square garden, but i think with donald trump potentially taking the white house again, this is the embodiment of where the movement has gone, and it is on the cusp of potentially trying to enact if it is placed back into power in washington, d.c.

>> vaughn hillyard. thank you very much. continue to listen to that speech for us. if he says anything about the election, we will certainly come back to you to get your thoughts on it and also to hear for ourselves. i want to bring into the conversation on misha cross and rick wilson. also joining the conversation, christina greer. again, you know, i want to just take a minute. it is a most impossible to fact check donald trump in real time, but there were a series of lies that donald trump spewed throughout the course of that speech that we were listening to, lies about immigrants in this country. lies about immigrants in springfield, ohio, saying there are 30,000 of them. that is not true. those who are in springfield, ohio, as has repeatedly been said officials in that city and state, as they have been there legally with the right permit to be there. he has said lie after lie about millions of criminals coming into this country. again, not by the millions have

criminal records. that was a lie. donald trump again showing, saying that he did not start any wars. this is a president that through his time had more drone strikes than previous presidents. he also killed iranian generals and third world countries that brought us to the brink of war. the list of lies the donald trump spewed throughout the 45 minutes we were listening to it is one part of why we wanted to show that to our viewers, but also more importantly, the rambling, the hate, the xenophobia, the homophobia that is been hallmarks of the republican party over the last several years were on display throughout the course of today, culminating with the present today, who spoke in this bloodlust language about what he would do if he came back as president one more time. we felt it was important for people to hear it, because he has build this part of his closing message.

rick, i want to give you a chance to react to what we have seen. just from donald trump in the past 45 minutes of his remarks before he began to ramble and go off script. >> we did get the orange castro affect about 40 minutes in, and it's just on crazy. first of all, i want to say, i salute the network for actually showing what he is saying and doing and showing with the people at this event have been saying and doing. it's important for americans not to look away from incipient fascism. it's important for americans to know what this is. this is the spiritual successor of the 1939 german-american rally in the same building. this is the spiritual successor of the darkest impulses. he is stoking it, he is feeding it. the combination of racial and ethnic hatreds on the one hand, you think that you have sort of

processed it, you think you know who he is, but folks really don't. they forget about it. they put it in a file cabinet somewhere. they pretend it didn't happen. then when you see it again, you are reminded again that the force of the entire federal government will be in this man's hands. you have you back ramaswamy who said he will deport civil servants now. this is a fascist view of america. and again, the lies that trump tells are all part and parcel. you know donald trump is lying, including the articles in every sentence with a, and, and the. you know he is lying when his pie hole is moving. americans need to look at it. they have a president who is not a truthful person, not an honest person, not a person of integrity of any kind. and it is good to watch this as a reminder. it's good to see this sort of thing is a nightmare. i have a bunch of staff members who watch every single trump speech and i feel terrible for these folks, because they really have the worst job in america.

this is watching like the inner workings of a toxic waste dump all the time as this man continues to spew this poison out. >> is also a painful thing to see, right? you're seeing the cognitive dissonance that is taking place in this country, that disconnect between what some americans believe are true and honest and righteous values that we try to hold, and then see donald trump come and speak about them the way he did. part of that is that he taps all the other speakers and has been throughout the course of this day, trying to tap into a racial grievance, a gender grievance. a xenophobic grievance to try and animate this country into a dark past. in fact, one of the speakers who spoke earlier today talked about, it is important to return america to a time when america was great, and he specifically narrowed that window down to the turn-of-the- century, the 19th century when america did not have equal rights for its black citizens, for its women's denizens, no

equal rights for a lot of immigrants that were in this country. he specifically singled a period out because it was the time that america was the wealthiest, that there is no income tax, there were tariffs that were being applied. and that was the time he wants to go back to in order to make america great, as he and donald trump have consistently said. we haven't even gotten to some of the other members of the speakers that spoke earlier today, the xenophobia about puerto ricans. we will discuss that as well, the comments that were made about muslims, the anti- semitism that was joked around on that stage in front of 30,000 people, as vaughn hillyard mentioned. we want to get your thoughts on what we saw displayed, not just from trump but dropped the course of this day. >> white grievance is the engine that keeps the maga train going , that fuels the republican party. it's what trump is hoping will take him to the white house. with that being said, this nation is becoming more brown every day, and that whites will no longer be the majority population in this country just a few short years.

that scares donald trump and white supremacist. we know that, because of the return, he chooses to attack migrants. not all migrants. there are a lot of migrants from european countries look as white as donald trump. he's not attacking them. he's talking about people from the northern tribal countries. he's talking about people from mexico. he's talking about puerto rico. he is talking about black and brown people, and wherever he can attack them, he will do it. i think we have to recognize who he is and understand that who he is, unfortunately, is something that resonates with far too many people. i don't think this is a shockwave moment for most of america, and i don't expect a racist to wake up one morning and not be racist. what i do expect is an america that is reaching toward that democracy, and an america that is supposed to be inclusive. an america that my grandparents fought for the right to vote in mississippi alongside people. america that makes it factual

that we have representation. he is writing the total opposite to take us back, to take us back to a time where women didn't have rights, were black people didn't have rights, to take us back to a time when latinos didn't even exist in america. he is trying his darndest to put all power, all monetary value, all consequence in the decisions of white men. pacifically privileged white men. i think it's important that we take note of that. also, the fascism that comes out of everything this man says. pay attention, because this sounded very much throughout the day -- i don't care if it's him or one of his acolytes. this sounded like a grand wizard rally. that is where we are. that's a place where america wants to be, that totally turns who we are on its head. at the end of the day, were supposed to be a nation of progress. were supposed to be a beacon of light for the rest of the world. watching it being ripped apart to shreds. >> if you take a step back and

you look at the different representatives that have been platforms on that stage today in new york city, whether it was tucker carlson as a representative of the right wing and extreme media in this country, whether it was leaders of the business community, as i mentioned, that individual from fitzgerald who wants to take america back to a time where people did not have equal rights in this country, whether it is people like ramaswamy, who said that they are going to dismantle the state of this country, deport people proudly, boasting about it. or people like stephen miller who simply said, america is for americans, and americans only. i think a lot of people also noted the similarity to the time of nazi germany where people said germany is for germany. the cost of people chosen today, hand selected today i this campaign to be platform in a city like new york is not lost on anyone who has watched this hate will day.

>> no, not at all. and obviously, the location of madison square garden, this is donald trump trying to triumphantly come back home with all his supporters. the data will tell us later how many of these people were actual new yorkers. i mean, the important piece to remember is, we must believe donald trump. ever since he came down that gold plated escalator, you know, when he goes to inauguration, the first order of business is a muslim ban. we have people like ramaswamy who say they are co-sliming this hateful rhetoric at this racist agenda. people like the vac don't believe they will be affected. they absolutely will. all these people that think, oh, donald trump will make everything better. we have to understand that you don't have to be white to be a white supremacist. did donald trump second term america, if he gets what he wants, it is as we said before, black and brown and latino folks who will essentially be under a scenario of an america

from 100 to 150 years ago that for a lot of people seems unimaginable, but the dismantling of american democracy that project 2025 and the bottom of the barrel republicans that donald trump has surrounded himself with will try to make that a possibility. so it is imperative that our viewers this evening, even if they are on the right side of history, they voted for kamala harris, it is imperative that everyone reaches out to their networks to make sure there is not a single person in their family or community that is still on the fence. we do not have the luxury of being single issue voters. donald trump has made it very clear how he feels about foreign-policy. it's about the highest bidder, it's about flatters him the most. we see this in the business community, as you just mentioned. in his tiff with elon musk, and now they have decided to become

the strangest of strange bedfellows. but it's so clear as to what their agenda would look like. every election is the most important election. we are not being hyperbolic, when black women as the canaries in the minds say this is the most important election of our lifetime, because our entire democratic freedoms are on the line. and donald trump has been very clear about his agenda. >> there is a dangerous moment, rick, i'm not sure given all of the hate that we have been seeing on display throughout the course of the day, there was a dangerous moment when tucker carlson began to soft in the ground by saying the only way kamala harris wins is if she cheats. and for me, my alarm bells went off. again, when you put it in the context of everything else that is being said, i may not have registered on a lot of people's minds, but it does give you a sense of what the strategy of the trump campaign, of what is acolytes, what is megaphones like tucker carlson and elon musk are planning on doing if donald trump loses the election on november 5th. they are already saying there is no way for her to win. they are using this kind of anecdotal evidence, talking about being in a room with

30,000 people in new york city saying fifth avenue is light with trump supporters, that is evidence that the only way she wins is by cheating. and that is very dangerous, because we know what that is code for. >> the 76 days between the election this year and certification will be the most dangerous 76 days in american history. this is what i am working for and what our organization is working toward, and help every other american is working toward. the devastating wipeout of trump next week. i think if we have a wipeout, that is the only thing that is going to save us from the violence and the corruption and the insanity that donald trump will gladly put this country through. it doesn't matter how much he loses by, unless it's a real knockout. unless it's on obama mccain or reagan mondale knockout. he is going to claim he won this election. he's going to use every legal and illegal tactic he can. his people will deploy violence

on his behalf around this country. we are going to have a rough 76 days. i believe in my heart that the people on that stage tonight are, you know, like tucker were making that case, and others as well who are saying that the only way to win is if they cheat. the only way we are behind in the polls as if they are all crooked and rigged. that is a message -- they are co-conspirators with donald trump in this effort. they are going to try to do what they did unsuccessfully, praise god, and 2021. they are going to try to do it all over again. donald trump must be defeated soundly this next week. you must be crushed. is otherwise, they are going to try this. trump out there referred at least four times, we are leading in all the swing states, we are ahead, ahead, ahead. he is saying this because his followers need to have that message prewired into their brains. and my fear is that we have engaged in -- the polls are so close, they won't believe it. >> i want to say, if one day

american democracy unravels because donald trump is elected, there will be no excuse for american voters to say, we did not know who he was. we did not know this is what he was going to do. we showed you his words tonight, we showed you some of the words of others who spoke tonight so that every american and every american who has a stake in this election knows what could happen on november 5th if donald trump is re- elected into the white house. please stick around. our coverage is going to continue after a quick break. we are going to keep an eye on that trump rally at madison square garden. stay with us. ith us. .. better breathing, symptom improvement, and reduced flare-ups. breztri won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. it is not for asthma. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. don't take breztri more than prescribed. breztri may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain... mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating,... vision changes, or eye pain occur.

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>> earlier today at donald trump's madison square garden in new york city, his allies echoed the very same republican warning, the democrats will cheat or even steal the election.

>> what does it mean to be american? it means we have elections we can trust and believe in, and that means a single day voting on election day as a national holiday with paper ballots and government issued i.d. amassed in a voter file. that's how we save the country after we win this time. >> i will tell you something. we are making sure that we have free, fair, and transparent elections and nobody is cheating in 2024. >> of course, none of this dangerous rhetoric is new. this is all part of trump's label from even before he lost in 2020 to joe biden. but this time around, his allies have developed more sophisticated ways to address the so-called threat that they believe undermines election integrity. on friday, for example, a virginia judge ruled that governor glenn youngkin's recent purge of close to 2000 voters in state roles within 90 days of november's election was illegal. in august, he issued

an executive order that revoked thousands of virginians and their voter registrations on the suspicion that they were not u.s. citizens. when the state's department of elections was ordered to hand over the names of the people affected by their removals, many were, in fact, u.s. citizens. according to voting rights nonprofit protect democracy, the list included both naturalized citizens and people who have been lifelong virginia voters. trump, of course, called the judge radical and supported youngkin. it's clear why he is a fan of it. youngkin stunk under the guise of integrity may have caused many citizens their chance to vote in this election. we are not only seeing legal challenges against voters in virginia. in mississippi court led by trump appointed judges said that mail-in ballots ever live action election day will be counted. in south carolina, a judge ruled in 1900 18-year-olds won't be added to the voter rolls despite a dmv glitch that deemed them below voting age.

the republican officials in florida, ohio, and texas have all sued the biden administration accusing the department of homeland security of denying them access to citizenship records needed to maintain their voter rolls. essentially blocking them from tracking down the mythical noncitizen voters who can undermine this election. another danger in this year's election, voter intimidation masquerading as election security. all year, right-wing activists pushing false election fraud claims have been busy recruiting poll workers in key swing states. this group is branded themselves as a christian version of the nra, and police and poll workers have been training for possible election threats. but there is an irony here. there are no growing concerns that given law enforcement concerns of suppressing and intimidating black voters, having them at the polls might

actually make people feel unsafe and intimidated. and with other critics ringing the alarm, since the largest police unit in this country has already endorsed donald trump, then there's the issue of timing. how long we, as a country, will sit in anxiety over who will take the white house. 2020 officials needed days to count all the votes to determine the president joe biden is the winner of the 2020 election. and trump took advantage of that delay. every day spreading conspiracy theories that the election was somehow stolen after some states he was initially leading in eventually went to biden. let's bring in rick to have this conversation now. he, of course, has been tracking of this very closely. we have spoken many times before about how we learned a little bit today in the rally at madison square garden how the republicans are softening the ground were beginning to sow the seeds of chaos ahead of the 2020 election, leaving the only way kamala harris can win is if she cheats.

many americans are not following this. they may not be aware of the specific legal challenges as i just outlined in virginia with glenn youngkin's attempt to purge voters, were the efforts in south carolina and mississippi. but how is this lack of attention dangerous, especially as we are nine days out? >> well, you know, the rhetoric now is about noncitizen voting, as you mentioned. and the reason for it is because last time around, when trump was making allegations of irregularity, we were in the middle of a pandemic. we could point to all the changes that states have implemented to make sure people can vote safely in the middle of the pandemic. this time around, he doesn't really have much to hang his hat on. really hammering, they been losing most of those cases. because, in fact, federal law is very clear that you can't have a wholesale purge of voters just before an election because, for the very reason you mentioned, legitimate voters get caught up in all this. when they done investigations,

they found very low rates of noncitizen voting. i think that's what the rhetoric is likely to be. they are telegraphing it already. if there's a narrow trump loss, i expect they will rail about this. but the good news is, just saying that there's a lot of noncitizen voting is not the same as proving it. and the courts stood up last time. they didn't let trump just put out big claims of fraud and use that as a basis for overturning the election. they are actually in much better shape than they were in 2020 is we went to the 2020 experience and we know it's coming down the pipe. >> is really assuring to hear you say we are at least a little better positioned. i suspect the other side as well is also probably that are positioned, if you want to use that term, in terms of the resource they've had. they learn how to gain the system in terms of overwhelming the system. there is significant destruction around poll watchers, potentially threatening voters. do you feel this fear is valid, and could actually impact voter turnout if people feel that, you know, the poll watchers are

also going to be doing more things than simply allowing people to cast their ballots? >> that's a really smart question. there's two things going on. are they actually going to be either poll workers were going to mess with things, or poll watchers were going to intimidate voters? the track record has been actually that poll workers often don't end up materializing because they don't really have a basis to be challenging voters in any serious way. even just having this conversation and talking about it might convince that marginal voter, you know, i don't want to get hassled. i don't want to go to the polling place. there's going to be law enforcement there. i'm not going to bother voting. and so even if there is an army of poll watchers, as we've been reading the stories about attempts to try to put it together, it can have a kind of deterring effect. just talking about this community mobilizing. and so i think really there has to be a good balance and the message has to be that everyone

was eligible to vote should find a way to vote, and if you can vote early, the best thing to do is either go in person or mail that ballot and get it done before election day so you will be dealing with whatever potential chaos might be something that someone was planning. >> someone was watching this closely as an expert in the subject matter, what is keeping you up at night? i've heard various experts say the concern is not necessarily what happens under the national spotlight, but actually what happens away from it. when you have states that are run by, as you saw in 2020, almost by 2000 votes infamously in georgia, what happens in the rural areas where it could be a couple hundred votes that swing a county, or when you have officials like what we saw north carolina just the other day saying, we should elect. because of hurricane helene, we should give the states electors to donald trump. we know how they would vote. what's keeping you up at night? >> some good news on that front. congress passed a law called the electoral count reform act which makes it much harder to just try to have state

legislature stepped in and come up with alternative slates of electives, which is part of the trump plan. back in 2020. it was a plan that failed. what worries me, is if you look at the polls, they were as close as they could be. we could have another 2000 style election i could come down to one state, it could come down to a few thousand ballots in that state, and that it can be not just the type of protracted litigation we saw in 2000 aiding of the supreme court's decision in bush versus gore, but in a much more polarized environment, there could be violence and intimidation of election workers, i should say, and of the officials who have the various roles to play in certifying the process. i think the kind of political pressure that comes to bear if we had an election that actually went to the overtime is something that really gives me some concern. >> as we saw in 2020, the adults in the room that were around donald trump, they are not going to be there this time around. that pressure that could come to bear could be extremely

dangerous this time around. it is why, as a friend and colleague rick wilson point pointed out, the only way to defeat this is to have an overwhelming win for kamala harris and to assure everyone this is not going to be a close race. repressor of law and msnbc election analyst. we appreciate you joining us this evening. up next, the voting block that can save democracy from donald trump yet again. ump yet again. t high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! known for following your dreams. known for keeping with tradition. known for discovering new places. no one wants to be known for cancer,

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>> in nine days, it could be generation z voters who save democracy from donald trump. the harris team took to twitch. tim walz gaming with aoc and a clear appeal to young voters, and of course, if you were wondering, they were playing madden. it is sunday, after all. it goes without saying, young voters are vital, propelled by the surprise election of donald trump in 2016 and fueled by his disastrous first term. they were vital to president biden's victory in 2020 and they certainly helped block that anticipated red wave in the 2022 midterms. the key demographic always thought to be unreachable is still answering the call. a new lab poll shows vice president kamala harris with a 20 point advantage over donald trump among young americans on key issues like jobs, taxes, and trust in government. democrats are working to

capitalize on that advantage. harris team is pushing early voting in key swing states, targeting students and young voters through concerts, block parties, tailgates, along with a seven-figure ad by targeting young voters on social media platforms. joining me now is editor and chief at teen vogue. great to have both of you with us. first, i will start with you and whether or not young people are going to turn out. i believe the cnbc poll shows harris winning or leaving at least 20 points with young voters. it fits within the same margin in 2020 before 18 and 29-year- olds. >> i think yes, they are going to show up. they're going to continue this trend we see not just in presidential elections, and an increasingly local and state elections as well where they do turnout, and there's millions of new young voters who are eligible this year who are not

eligible to vote in 2020. this will be the first time voting, and i think they're incredibly engaged in this race. that what they are seeing in their coverage at teen vogue. seven student correspondence and seven swing states talking to their peers on college campuses and reporting from organizing and watch parties all the time. and we are really hearing a lot of engagement around pretty much everything in this race. >> i been hearing the vice president stump speech, and she's now talking to young people. she turns around and asks the crowd, she says, i know that you are impatiently waiting, because you were born into these crises of climate change and the economy and all these other issues that young people, like most of us, care about. is this outreach by the harris campaign with those kinds of comments with ads targeting swing states, college students, surrogates like aoc, beto o'rourke, rolling rallies and events, is that effective? is that going to do the trick and shoring up this voting block? >> absolutely.

first of all, thank you so much for having me. i think the harris campaign is doing exactly what it needs to be doing in this final week. they have campus tours going around campuses in so many swing states. they're bringing surrogates, celebrities, and vice president harris herself. they have that investment in the campus media. i think the most important thing here is that they are working very hard to earn the vote, and that message proves it, right? even putting aside the efforts from the campaign itself, you can assume and look at the overall space the enthusiasm, the energy is incredible. literally, voters of tomorrow has 175 volunteers texting in michigan. and we have made 60 million contacts to young voters. the one thing that we are hearing is they are excited and ready to turn out and vote for vice president harris. >> i have to ask you about the gaza war and how that resonates with young people. we beasley been seeing a lot of discontent among young voters

in this country, college campuses, certainly because of social media. young voters are on social media more. i see a very different reality to the war in gaza than what people are watching in mainstream media in this country, that's also a generational divide. how is that situation going to factor with how young people vote in this country? >> it is really worrying. understandably, a lot of young people take issue with the biden administration's approach to supporting israel and what is happening in the war in gaza. i think for a lot of people, for a key group of people, it could be the motivating factor. and i'm not overly concerned that this group is going to vote for trump, because they think he -- they might stay home, they might vote third party, they may not necessarily know -- jill stein scana problematic record of coming in at the last minute and drifting and all of that, but we are doing our best to educate voters in that respect, too. what we consistently hear about

the war in gaza and our response to it is incredibly important. what they are prioritizing is her top concerns are issues of personal financial security, student debt, of course. and the harris campaign has been communicating a lot on those issues. >> i want to give you a chance as well because i know you're also engaging with a lot of young voters. what are you hearing, what are you seeing from the kind of points of context that you are having with these voters and their concern about the gaza war and how close the harris campaign is to the biden/harris administration on this issue? >> i think this is obviously a concern. we have had conversations, and it continues to come out as an issue. but i think, while it is an important issue, it is not the issue that is causing them to decide what to vote on. they are prioritizing the issues that are really guiding them or the economy, abortion. and we are seeing a lot of

energy to turn out for those issues and turnout for freedom. obviously, vice president harris has communicated on the economy, on abortion. she continues to deliver that message every time she speaks to us, and i think that is invaluable. >> thank you so much. i really appreciate it, as always. still ahead, christian nationalism and it the role it will play in the next nine days. days.

>> christian nationalist rain as one of the strongest voting blocs within maga politics. this weekend, the lettuce worship group led by preacher and trump surrogate gathered at the national mall to save america. watch. >> in unprecedented ways, we declare america will be saved.

>> the senate is going to flip in this election. they are going to stand for life, they are going to stand for religious liberty. >> now how this once fringe movement transformed into a defining feature of far right politics dates back decades. this week, propublica dropped a report on the genesis of christian nationalism starting in the 1970s when some christians fear their influence in society was waning. the supreme court had just outlined school sponsored prayer and legalized abortion. that reality, mixed with decades of resentment and a self designed mission to bring christianity back led us to where we are today. roe versus wade has been overturned, there are no abortion bans nearly half the country.

and they have done it all under the banner of religious liberty , despite that separation of church and state thing that our constitution calls for. joining us now is amanda tyler, executive director of the baptist joint committee for religious liberty. she is the author of the new book, how to end christian nationalism. it's great to have you back on the show. so, you know, walk us through how we got to this moment where christian nationalism has become such a divisive force and a dangerous force in this country. >> i think we really can look back through all of the trump years as a place of rising tide of christian nationalism. christian nationalism is not a new ideology. it's been around, really, since before the founding of the united states. looking through history, we can see prior high tides of christian nationalism in the early 20th century and the 1950s with mccarthyism. but over the last several years, we have seen this growing movement of christian nationalism moving

us closer to authoritarianism and fascism, and away from a pluralistic democracy towards a theocracy. and i think we can really look back to january 6th, 2021, as a place where christian nationalism was used as a permission structure for violence to try to overturn free and fair elections. and over the last four years, we have just seen that movement gained more and more force. we have seen a normalization of christian nationalism with people like marjorie taylor green saying the republican party should be the party of christian nationalism, and not having pushed back to that idea. now, today, we see openly calls jesus is king at rallies. jesus used as a mascot, the bible used as a prop, and all in service of trying to gain power at all cost and hold onto that power in this push towards authoritarianism. >> when you look at somebody like donald trump and how he

has cloaked himself in christianity, and how he has gotten very influential and certainly recognizable, christian pastors to basically treat him as a godlike figure. almost a godsend to save them and to save this country. just talk to us about how dangerous that is when you fuse it with violence, as you said, on january 20th. he refers to himself as basically a savior of this country. >> a savior or even a messiah figure has been used. we have prophecies that donald trump will be president, which really -- >> he was saved when he wasn't assassinated, or when he was shot and he comes out and says he was chosen by god, for this is what god wants for him. >> we heard over and over again that god had chosen to say trump for this time and this movement in ways that really undercut the whole idea of a free and fair election. i think that donald trump made a very deliberate choice to try

to leverage this christian nationalist sentiment. the language of christianity -- in order to solidify this voting block who would vote for him under any circumstances because they have kind of come to see him as someone who is saving them and was standing up for him. they often used also these very false claims of christian persecution, this idea that they are, at the same time, the privileged majority, but also under threat from a secularizing society. and so they have put everything behind, pushing him into the white house again. >> if you can kinda boil it down for us, what is christian nationalism? you've seen both candidates evoke religion. the vice president, kamala harris, was at a church rally. is obviously a historical rule that the church is played in organizing of voters. but how have we gotten to the point where there are two very

different interpretations of christianity, both on both sides of the political divide in this christian nationalism that has become so dangerous. >> it's an important point that christian nationalism is the political ideology that tries to merge american and christian identities. and basically saying that, to be a real american, one has to be a christian and not just any christian, a christian who holds fundamentalist religious beliefs. that's a very big difference from saying that this jens and people of all faiths have a place in the public square, we can bring our faith, whatever that might be, to bear on our public advocacy, that there are roles for religious institutions to play. nonpartisan roles in making sure that people are able to vote, to encourage civic engagement. but that is very different from insisting that our religious ideas be in -- and our values be reflected in law and policy

in ways that really violate foundational ideas of religious freedom for all that are protected by the separation of church and state in this country. >> there's no doubt you can argue trump has been a unique figure in this movement over the last several years. if he is defeated at the polls, does that signal a decline in christian nationalism, or to somebody else come in and fill that void? >> no matter what happens with the presidential election, we have a very big problem with christian nationalism in the united states today, and we can see that not just on the national level, but also on the state level. i live in texas, where we have had a concerted push towards authoritarian not theocracy over the last several years. christian nationalism remains a problem in a matter what happens on november 5th. >> the new book, how to end christian nationalism, a very important conversation that needs to continue even after

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