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garden. a lot of rhetoric about migrants at his rally as he normally does. for our viewers who have been watching this, perhaps some questions as to why we will be airing donald trump at this moment in the race. it is not something we do very often or frequently on this network. we did want to play for our viewer trump's remarks, not to platform his policies, but rather the opposite, so you, the viewers, and the voters in this country can hear for yourself the vision they have outlined if he is given a second term as president in this country. there is a lot of dangerous language. and a lot of ugly rhetoric that we are going to unpack over the course of our conversation this hour. i do want to go back to msnbc correspondent, vaughn hilliard,

giving us the context of what we have been hearing and seeing, vaughn? >> reporter: ayman, under donald trump and the republican national convention, it was a couple months ago. and those he believes are the celebrities. instead you had the likes of tucker carlson, elon musk, robert f. kennedy jr. when we talk about elon musk, who we were just hearing him talk extensively about, elon musk is somebody who donald trump first learned back in the white house. trump repeatedly mocked. and was coming to him, begging him for federal contracts.

and in 2022, he called elon musk while he was trying to purchase twitter, called him a b.s. artist. ultimately they found out how to have a relationship where effectively the country's largest online town hall, now known as x, that elon musk has helped maneuver this to be a pro trump, progop conspiracy theory platform that millions of americans are getting their information from on a daily basis. and the other headline coming out of the remarks, this is talk inside madison square garden, ayman, and which is a part of the act. to be very clear what he's saying come 2025 would allow him, as president of the united states, to unilaterally call for the deportation of undocumented individuals. if he determines those coming

from certain countries to pose a threat to the quite. and you heard this arena of 20,000 americans chanting, send them back. and he has been on the front lines throughout his presidential bid. and this is not a message that you'll hear from those candidates in history past. usually with the unifying message, trying to build the coalition. but for donald trump, what we have heard from him and the speakers, one who called hillary clinton the devil. another who called her a god forsaken b word. this is something that is represented in the words of dr. phil mcgraw, making the case that he's not a bully, but the

most effective communicator. and they are just not good at it. for nine and a half years, we have covered those rallies. and i think this is where the maga movement has gone and what is on the cusp of trying to enact. >> and i know that if they say anything, we will come back to you to get your thoughts on it and to hear it for ourselves. i want to bring back to mischa cross, and christina greer. again, you know, i wanted to take a minute. it is almost impossible to fact check donald trump in real time. but there were a series of lies that donald trump spewed throughout the course of that

speech that we were listening to. lies about immigrants in this country. lies about immigrants in springfield, ohio, saying there are 30,000 of them. that's not true. those in springfield, ohio, as repeatedly set by officials in that city and in that state is that they have been there legally with the right permit to be there. and he has said lie after lie about millions of criminals that are coming into this country again. people have come into this country, and not by the millions have criminal records. that was a lie. donald trump again, showing, you know, saying he did not start any words and had more drone strikes and that brought us to the brink of washington. and that we are listening to it is one part that we wanted to show to our viewers and the

hate, and that has been hallmarks of the republican party were on display throughout the course of today and who spoke in this blood lust language about what he would do if he came back as president one more time. and we felt it was important for them to hear it as he has built this. rick, i want to give you a chance to react to what we have scene before he would begin to ramble and go off script. >> yeah, we got the castro effect about 40 minutes in and it is just crazy. i absolute the network for actually showing what he is saying and doing. showing what the people at this event have been saying and doing. it's important for americans not to look away from fascism. it is important for americans to know what this is. this is the spiritual successor

of the 1939 german american rally in the same building. this is the spiritual successor of the impulses and the combination of hay threat on the one hand, you know, you think you have processed it, but folks really don't. they will forget about it and where they pretend it did not happen. and that the force of the entire government will be in this man's hand, saying they are going to deport civil servants now. and you know, again, the lies that they tell, you know that he's lying, including that you know he's lying when that is moving when they need to

understand that they are not a truthful person or an honest person or a person of integrity of any kind. and so it is good to watch this as a reminder. it is good to see this sort of thing as a nightmare. i have a bunch of staff members who would watch every single trump speech, and i feel terrible for these folks. because they really have the worst job in america. this is watching, like the inner workings of the toxic waste dump all the time as they will continue to spew this poison out. >> it is also a painful thing to see, right? you're seeing the cognitive disconnect that's taking place. with some americans, they believe they are true and honest, and righteous values that we would try to hold, then see donald trump come and speak about them the way that he did. a part of that, he attacks all the other speakers, trying to tap into a gender grievance, and the grievance to try to

animate this country into a dark path. in fact one of the speakers who spoke earlier today talked about it is important to return america to a time when america was great. and he specifically narrowed that window down to the turn of the century when america did not have equal rights for its black citizens for its women citizens. no equal rights for a lot of immigrants that were in this country. he specifically singled that period out because it was the time america was the wealthiest that there was no income tax that there were tariffs that were being applied. that's the time he wants to go back to in order to make america great as he and donald trump have consistently said. we haven't even gotten to some of the other members of the speakers that spoke earlier today. and we will discuss that as well and the comments made that was joked around.

but your thoughts on what we have seen? >> and well, we have seen the engine that keeps the maga train going and that fueled the train. it's the engine trump is hoping will take him to the white house. with that being said, you know, we know what the census data has told us that this nation is becoming more brown every day. and that whites will no longer be the majority population in this country in a few short years. that scares the heck out of donald trump and white supremacists. we know that because with every term, he chooses to attack migrants. and not all migrants. there are a lot in america from european countries who look as white as donald trump. he's not attacking them. he's talking about migrants from congo, northern triangle countries, people from mexico. he's talking about puerto rico and puerto rico is a part of the united states. he is talking about black and brown people. wherever he can attack them, he'll do it. we need to recognize who he is and understand who he is, it is

something that will resonate with far too many people. this is not a shock wave moment and just like the zebras changing stripes. and what i do expect is an america that is suppose to be inclusive that they fought for the right to vote. and what will make it factual that we have representation. and he's fighting the total opposites to the time when women didn't have any rights, and to take us back to a time when latinos didn't even exist in america. he is trying to put all power, all monetary value, all consequence in the decision of white men, specifically privileged white men. and it is important that we take note of that and also the fab education that will come out in with a this man says.

i don't care if it is him talking, but it sounded like a ground wizard kkk rally. that's where we are. if that is a place where america wants to be, that will term who we are. at the end of the day, we are suppose to be a nation of progress. we're suppose to be a beacon of light for the rest of the world. the strongest democracy in the world. we're watching a man rip it apart to shred. >> christina, if you take a step back and you look at the different representatives that have been platformed on that stage today in new york city, whether it was tucker carlson as a representative in this country, whether it was leaders of the business community as i mentioned those who want to take them back to a time when people did not have equal rights in this country. whether it is like those who will dismantle the state of this country. or people like steven miller

who simply said america is for americans and americans only. i think a lot of people noted the similarity to the time when people said germany is for germany. the cast of people chosen today, hand selected today by this campaign to be platformed in a city like new york is not lost on anyone who has watched this hateful day? >> no, not at all, ayman. and obviously the location of madison square garden. this is donald trump who is coming back home and how many of these people were actually new yorkers. we must believe donald trump, who said they're a rainist and when he goes through that migration, and we have people

like vivek who think they are not affected. and those others, they will leave. well, we have to understand that you don't need to be white to be a white supremacist. if he gets what he wants, it is as we said before, black and brown and latino, both will essentially be under a scenario of america from 100 to 150 years ago that for a lot of people seems unimaginable, but the dismantling of american democracy, project 2025 and the bottom of the barrel republicans that donald trump has surrounded himself with will try to make that a possibility. so it is imperative that our viewers this evening, even if they're on the right side of history, they would vote for kamala harris. to make sure there is not a single person in their family or community that is still on the fence, as we do not have

that luxury. and he has made it very clear about how he feels and it is about who flatters him the most and now they decided to become the strangest of strange. but it is so clear. and we are -- every election is the most important election. and when black women in the mines who say this is the most important election because the entire democratic freedoms are on the line, and donald trump has been very clear about his agenda. >> this is a dangerous moment and not sure given all the hate that we have been seeing throughout the course of the day that there is a dangerous moment when they began to soften the ground by saying the way they win if she cheats. and for me, they went off again when you put it in that context

that is being said that it might not have registered on their minds. and that is the strategy of the trump campaign and the megaphones are planning on doing if they lose the election on november 5. they are saying there is no way for them to win. they're using these evidence of talking about being in the room of 30,000 people in new york city saying they are lined with the trump supporters. and that is evidence. the only way they win is by cheating. that's very dangerous because we know what that is code for. >> the 76 days between the election this year and certification will be the most dangerous 76 days in american history. this is why i'm working towards, and our organization is working towards, and i hope every other american is working towards a devastating wipeout of trump next week. i think if we have a wipeout, that is the only thing that will save us from the violence and the corruption and the

insanity that donald trump will gladly put this country through. it doesn't matter how much he loses by unless it is a real knockout. and unless it is an obama, knockout. he's going to claim he won this election. his people will deploy violence on his behalf around the country. we will have a rough 76 days. i believe in my heart that the people on the stage are making that case as well who say the only way to win is if they cheat and if they're all rigged. and that is a message that they will try to do what they did unsuccessfully praise god in 2021. they will try to do it all over again, where he must be defeated soundly the next week,

where he must be crushed or they will try this. where we are leading in all the swing states and we are ahead, ahead, ahead. he's saying this because his followers, they need to have that message wired into their brains. and my fear is that they will not believe it. >> and if one day, american democracy unravels because donald trump is elected. there will be no excuse for them to say we did not know who he was or this is what he was going to do as we showed you some of the words of others who spoke tonight, so that every american and every american who has a stake in this election knows what could happen on november 5 if donald trump is reelected into the white house. please stick around. our coverage is going to continue after a quick break. we're going to keep an eye on that trump rally at madison

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so earlier today, donald trump's madison square garden in new york city, his allies echoed the same warning that the democrats will cheat or even steal the election. >> what does it mean to be american? it means single-day voting on

election day as a national holiday with paper ballots and government issued i.d. to match the voter file is how we save the country after win win it this time by voting early. >> we are making sure we have free, fair, transparent election and nobody is cheating in 2024. >> of course, none of this dangerous rhetoric is new. but this time around, his allies have developed more ways to address this so-called threat that they believe undermine election integrity. a judge ruled glenn youngkin's recent purge of close to 2,000 voters from within 90 days was illegal. in august, youngkin issued an executive order that revoked thousands of virginias on the

suspicion that they were not u.s. citizens. and many were, in fact, u.s. citizens. now according to voting rights, the list included both naturalized citizens and people who have been lifelong virginia voters. and they supported youngkin and it is clear why he's a fan of it. and they might have cost many citizens their chance to vote in this election. we are not only seeing the legal challenges against voters in virginia, but the mississippi court led by trump appointed judges there, that elections won't be counted. in south carolina, judge ruled that 1,900 18-year-olds won't be added to the state's voter rolls despite the dmv glitch that deemed them below voting age. republican officials in florida, ohio, texas have all

sued the biden administration, accusing the department of homeland security needed to maintain voter roles. and who could undermine this election. another danger, voter intimidation masquerading. and pushing flat claims. this group has branded themselves as the christian version of the nra. poll workers have been training for possible election threats, but there is an irony here. there are now growing concerns that given their intimidating black voters, they might actually make people feel unsafe. since the largest police unit in this country has endorsed donald trump and the issue of

timing. how long we, as a country, will sit in anxiety over who will take the white house? they needed days to count all the votes to determine he's the winner of the 2020 election, taking advantage of that delay every day, spreading theories that the election was stolen. and after they went to biden. of course, now he has been tracking this closely where we have spoken before about how the republicans are softening the ground ahead of the election and believing that is the only way she could win if she cheats. they may not be aware of the specific legal challenges that i just outlined them recently in the efforts of south

carolina and mississippi. but how is this lack of attention dangerous, especially as we are nine had days out? >> the rhetoric now, it's about non-citizen voting as you have mentioned. and the reason for it, it's because the last time around, and that they could vote safely in the middle of the pandemic. this time around, he doesn't have much to hang his hat on, so he's hammering the non- citizen voting point that they have been losing most of those cases. and because federal law is very clear that you cannot have the wholesale just before the election because for the very reason that you mentioned, the legitimate voters got caught up in all of this. and they found very low rates of non-citizen voting. but i think that's what the rhetoric is likely to be. they are telegraphing it already. if it is a narrow trump loss, i

expect that they will rail about this. the good news is just saying the non-citizen voting, it's not the same as proving it. the court stood out last time that they did not let them put out, you know, fake claims and fraud and use that as a basis for overturning the election, that we're in much better shape than we were in 2020 in part because they went through the 2020 experience, and we know what's coming down the pike. >> it is really great hearing you say that as i suspect that the other side as well is also better poled where they learned how to gain the system and around the poll watchers, for example. do you think this fear is valid? and if they feel they are going to be doing more had things than simply allowing people to cast their ballots? >> and that is a smart question

with two things that are going on right now and poll watchers that will intimidate voters, where they often don't end up materializing or fizzles out because they don't have a chance in either way. but just having that conversation, talking about it, it might convince them that they don't want to go to the polling place and maybe there will be law enforcement there and maybe there are going to be people out there and even if there is not, you know, an army of poll watchers as we have been reading these stories about trying to put it together. and just talking about this, it could be demobilizing. where there needs to be a good balance that that everyone was eligible to vote should find a way to vote. the best thing to do is either go in person or mail that ballot and get it done before

election day, so you won't be dealing with the potential chaos. that's somebody that's watching it very closely. and what is keeping you up at might? what are you worried about? and i heard them say the concern is not necessarily about what happens under the national pot light, but what will happen away from it. when you have those states by almost 12,000 votes, and infamously in georgia. what happens when they might swing and when you have officials like what we saw just the other day saying hey, because of the hurricane, we should give them to donald trump. what is keeping you up at night? >> and there is good news on that front too, which will make it much harder to try to have them step in and come up with a part of that trump plan back in

2020 and a plan that failed. if you look at those polls, we could have odd 2,000 style elections that could come down to one state and a few thousand ballots in that state. and not just the kind of litigation that we saw culminating in the supreme court decision, but in our much more polarizing environment that there could be violence of poll workers, of election workers, i should say and the officials who have those various rolls to play. and the pressure that they would have that election is something that will give me some concern. >> and what we saw that they were around donald trump, they are not going to be there this time around and that it could be extremely dangerous this time around. it's why our friends and colleague pointed out the only way to defeat this is to have

an overwhelming win for kamala harris and to ensure this is not not going to be a close race. and the election analyst. thank you so much. we appreciate you joining us this evening. >> what could save democracy from donald trump yet again.

in nine days, it could be gen z voters that save democracy from donald trump. tim walz gaining with aoc in a clear appeal to young voters. and if you were wondering, they were playing madden. it is sunday, after all. propelled by the election of donald trump in 2016 and young people helped democrats win the house in 2018, and they helped

block that red wave. the key democratic that was thought to be unreachable is still answering the call. a new cnbc lap poll shows kamala harris with a 20-point advantage. and block parties, tailgates, along with a seven figure ad bye targeting young voters on social media platforms. and joining me now at teen vogue, and voters, great to have you both with us. and whether or not young people are going to turn up. and leading at least 20 points with the young voters, and it will fit within the same margin

in 2020 between 18 to 39-year- olds. >> absolutely. they are going to show up, and nay will continue this trend that we've seen not just in presidential elections, but midterms, increasingly local and state elections as well, where they do turn out. and there are millions of new young voters who were not eligible to vote and this will be the first time voting and they are engaged in this race, where we've got seven correspondents in seven swing states. talking to the peers on college campuses, reporting from organizing, watch parties, all the time. and we are really hearing a lot of engagement around everything in this race. >> and i have been hearing the speech, talking to young people where she will turn around and ask the crowd, do we have any had gen zers in here? and she knows you're waiting because you're born into these climate change and all the other issues that they care about.

this is outreach with those holding rallies, is that going to do the trick? >> oh, absolutely. i think that they are doing what they need to be doing in so many swing states. they are bringing themselves, and they have that and that will prove it, right? and when you kind of zoom out and you look at the overall space, the enthusiasm, the energy is incredible, literally as we were speaking, they will

have 175 volunteers, practicing in the events. we have made 60 million contacts to the young voters. the one thing we're hearing, they're excited, ready to turn out and vote for vice president harris. >> and i have to ask you about the gaza war and how that resonates with young people. we've been seeing a lot of discontent among young voters in this country, college campuses, certainly because of social media, young voters who were on social media more, and they are seeing a very different reality to the war on gaza and what people are watching in this country, which is a generational divide. how is that situation going to factor with how young people vote in this country? >> and it is really worrying, honestly. i think a lot of young people have taken issue with the biden administration's approach to supporting israel and what is happening in the war on gaza. i think for a lot of people or for a key group of people, it could be the motivating factor.

i'm not overly concerned that this group is going to vote for trump because they think they might handle that better, but they might vote third party. they might not necessarily know their kind of problematic record. >> yeah. >> of coming in at the last minute, grifting, all of that, but we are doing our best to educate the voters with that respect too. but i will say what we could consistently hear while the war on gaza and our response to it is incredibly important. what they are prioritizing as their top concerns are issues of personal financial security, student debt, of course, and the harris campaign has been communicating a lot. >> i want to give you that chance as well and how is that situation lending with them, what are you hearing from the point of context that you're having with these voters and their concern about the gaza war and how close the harris campaign is to the biden, harris administration on this issue? >> for sure. i think that is obviously a concern as we mentioned that we

have had those conversations, that they will continue to come out and it is an issue, right? but that they are right and the fact that while it san important issue, it's not the issue that's costing them to decide what to vote on as they are prioritizing the issues that are guiding them or the economy and that valid measure, for example, and florida and we are seeing a lot of energy to turn out for those issues and freedom and obviously vice president harris has communicated on the economy, on abortion, as they will continue to deliver that message every single time, and that is invaluable. >> it certainly is. thank you so much. greatly appreciate it as always. all right, still ahead, the role that they will play in the next nine days. (luke) so, we're gonna lock the doors and stay late until we find that name that's synonymous with shopping for homes.

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christian nationalists rein as one of the strongest voting blocks within maga politics. this weekend, the let us

worship group led by preacher and trump surrogate, sean foyt, gathered at the national mall to save america. watch. >> in unprecedented ways, we declare america will be saved. ♪ [ music ] ♪♪ >> every time they confess that jesus is lord. >> the senate is going to flip in this election. they going to stand for life, they are going to stand for liberty. >> and how this once fringed movement transformed dates back decades. this weekend, they dropped a report on christian nationalism, when they feared. and just outlied school

sponsored prayers and bible readings, and legalized abortions. and reality with the self- assigned mission to bring christianity back, led us to where we are today. roe v. wade has been overturned. there are now abortion bans in nearly half of the country. several states have limited lgbtq rights, and they have done it under that they will ca joining us now is amanda tyler, the executive director of the baptist joint committee. she's the author of the new book and how to end christian nationalism. it is good to have you on the show and walk us through this where it has become a dangerous force in this country? >> i think we can really look back through all the trump years. it is not a new ideology.

it's been around really since before the founding of the united states. looking through history, you can see higher tides in the 20th century and the 1950s. but we have seen this growing movement that is moving us closer and a way to move towards the theocracy, where we could look back to january 6, 2021, as a place where christian nationalism was used as a permission structure and we have just seen that movement gain more and more force, with people like taylor green saying it should be the party of not having to push back to that

idea. now today, we see openly calls like jesus' kings at rallies, jesus used as a mascot, the bible used as a prop, and all in service of trying to gain power at all costs and hold onto that power in this push towards authoritarianism. >> when you look at somebody like donald trump and how he has cloaked himself in christianity, and how he has gotten very influential and certainly recognizable christian pastors to basically treat him as a god like figure. and almost god send to save them and to save this country. just talk to us about how dangerous that is when you fuse it with violence. i mean he refers himself as a savior? >> and even the figure that donald trump has used. >> and that he was saved when he was not assassinated, and then he comes out and said he

was chosen by god or this is what god wanted for him? >> we heard that god had chosen and saved trump for this time and this movement in ways that undercut the whole idea of the free and fair election. i think donald trump made a very deliberate choice to try to leverage this christian sentiment and the language of christianity, in order to solidify this voting block who would vote for him under any circumstances because they had come to see him as someone who was standing up for him. and they used these false claims of christian persecution, that at the same time, the privileged majority and under threat from the society. and so they have put everything behind, pushing him into the

white house again. >> and what is christian nationalism? you see both candidates evoke religion, right? they were at a church rally where there is a historical role that they have played in this, organizing the voters. but how have we gotten to the point where there are two very different interpretations of them on both sides of the political divide and that it has now become so dangerous? >> it is an important point that they are a political ideology that will try to emerge christian ideas and identities. basically saying that to be a real american, one will need to be a christian that will hold beliefs. and that is a very big difference from saying christians, they will have a place in their public square whatever that might be on our

public advocacy and non- partisan roles in making sure that they are able to vote to encourage civic engagement. and that is very different from insisting that they will be reflected in ways that will violate the ideas of religious freedom for all that are protected by the separation of church and state in this country. >> trump has been a unique figure over the last several years, if he is defeated. does that signal those that will come in to fill that vote in another dangerous way? >> and no matter what happens, that we would have a big problem with them in the united states today and that we could see that and not just on the national level, but also on the state level. i live in texas where we have

had a concerted push towards the last several years. and they will remain a problem no matter what happens on november 5. >> of course, the new book on how to end is the title of it that they will need to continue as the election, amanda tyler, thank you so much. it's great to see you in person. >> thank you for making time for us at home. you can catch ayman here every saturday and sunday night at 7:00 p.m. eastern. follow us on x and instagram at ayman, msnbc. until we meet again, i'm ayman mohyeldin, live in new york. have a good night. as well as providing 24/7 sensitivity protection. patients are going to love to see sensodyne on the shelf.

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