good to be with you. eight days until election day, and you want to know what a second trump term will look like and sound like, maga world gave the country an honest preview of it during an all day event at madison square garden this weekend. and it is worth listening to

because this is what the gop is standing behind. >> it's wild. and these latinos, they love making babies, too, just know that. they do. they do. there's no pulling out. they don't do that. they go inside, just like they did to our country. i don't know if you know this, there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. i think it's called puerto rico. okay. all right. okay. we're getting there. cool, black guy with a thing on his head, what the hell is that, a lamp shade? look at this guy. oh, my goodness. wow. i'm just kidding, that's one of my buddies, he had a halloween party last night. he had fun, we carved water melons. >> she's some sick. [ bleep ] what a sick son of a

[ bleep ] haters and low lives, every one of them. you've got homeless and veterans, americans sleeping in their own feces on a bench in central park, but the [ bleep ] illegals get whatever they want, don't they? five star hotels, cash, probably get yankee dodger tickets tomorrow night. >> she is the devil, whoever screamed that out. she is the anti-christ. >> she's a fake, a fraud, she's a pretender. her and her pimp handlers will destroy our country. >> iran is not there for us. they want to kill us, and the palestinians are taught to kill us at 2 years old. they won't let a palestinian in jordan. they won't let a palestinian in egypt and harris wants to bring them to you. >> who's going to stand up and

say the cartels are gone, the criminal markers are gone, the gangs are gone, america is for americans and americans only. >> it's going to be pretty hard to look at us and say, you know what, kamala harris, she got 85 million votes because she's just so impressive, as the first samoan, malaysian, low iq, california prosecutor ever to be elected president. it was a ground swell of popular sport. >> governor tim walz has the hardest job in american politics, he's got to convince the -- >> [ chanting ] you all can say that. i probably shouldn't say that! it's just this amorphous group

of people. but they're smart and they're vicious and we have to defeat them, and when i say the enemy from within, the other side goes crazy. oh, how can he say, you know, they've done very bad things to this country. they are indeed the enemy from within. >> the roughly six-hour gathering amplified what has always been donald trump's central message, to him and maga world more broadly, there is an us and there is a them. a them that can include migrants, transgender americans, palestinians, the jews who don't fall in line. women who don't have children. men who are not manly enough, celebrities journalists, protesters, democrats and anyone who pushes back. those that, quote, poison the blood, who are ruining this country. it is a language of other-ism and rage, telling americans all you need to do is point to them,

they are the problem. elect me and i alone will fix it, he said that, fix them. he won with it, as you know in 2016. in 2020, he used that rage to convince thousands of people to storm the capitol. and millions since to stop believing in our elections. so what's he going to do with all of that rage this time around? joining us now in atlanta, covering the trump campaign. nbc news correspondent, garrett haake. nbc news washington correspondent, yamiche alcindor, covering the harris campaign, and "new york times" chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst, a man who's been around the block a few times now, peter baker. garrett, i'm going to begin with you, the first guy, the comedian with the joke about puerto rico, getting a lot of blow back. what's going on with that? >> reporter: katy, that's the only person and the only joke out of that entire clip you just played that the trump campaign has tried to create distance from. the campaign put out a statement, shortly after the

comedian spoke saying his view does not reflect the view of donald trump or his campaign, and there's been condemnation from everywhere. the governor of puerto rico to rick scott, the republican senator from florida, to marco rubio, but everything else you just heard, they have used the backlash against the event to argue they are being unfairly attacked or unfairly compared to nazis or unfairly compared to racists and somehow that shows desperation on the part of democrats and they seem to be making a strategic decision that this is better off not responded to in any meaningful way. to that, i think history has shown that this is something that happens with donald trump where one controversial moment tends to push the other out of the news. it was a week ago we were talking about the arnold palmer comments which now seem like another lifetime from now. trump is on his way to georgia. we'll see him twice today, and see whether he can resist

jumping back into this controversy or whether he tries to just push forward as though nothing happened, katy. >> you missed a good point there. i was going to ask if there was anything else that the trump team was trying to distance themselves. that speaker after speaker, calling out jews, calling out palestinians, call out democrats. just the ground swell of rage that came out and hate that came out of the mouths of the speakers there. but i want to dwell on the puerto ricans just for a moment. there was a ton of reaction from some very notable puerto ricans, like bad bunny, and there are a lot of puerto ricans in florida, there are a lot of puerto ricans in pennsylvania. it's a voting bloc that can change elections. and so i wonder how concerned trump world, those surrounding trump world maybe, might be that, oh, no, we might have just done ourselves some real damage with that one thing? >> reporter: yeah, look, katy,

if they're not concerned, they probably should be. and i think rick scott who's running for reelection in florida, the state with the largest population of puerto ricans, jumping out with a statement sort of first last night, indicates the sensitivity around this issue. this moment could not have been worse timed. yesterday, before this happened, kamala harris put out her plan for puerto rico. she was touring a puerto rican business in philadelphia, and as all of this was happening, you had bad bunny, jennifer lopez, ricky martin. people with tens of millions of dollars on social media, amplifying what kamala harris was talking about, at a time when someone who was functioning as a trump campaign surrogate was trashing their island. pennsylvania is the third highest population of puerto rican voters. about 300,000 voting age puerto ricans in pennsylvania, that could be hugely determinative in a state that everyone i talked to in both campaigns agreed is the key state for the election.

all of it matters. how much the trump campaign decides they want to engage with this, versus pushing out of the headlines, is a strategic decision i have not seen an answer to but i'm watching closely. >> from the harris campaign perspective, they are focused on the state of pennsylvania, how are they using this? >> by really amplifying and calling attention to this, and also calling attention to the puerto ricans that are supporting them. we said some of their names, bad bunny, jennifer lopez, ricky martin. they are putting up not only people that are supportive from the community, but you have other democrats, aoc and others saying this is exactly who the trump campaign is, and in their minds, this is evidence of them being racist. of them being derogatory to puerto ricans, and anybody who doesn't look like the vision of america that they believe the vision of america is what trump wants, which white is the argument they're making. they are making the case that they have not just reaction to

this, they have plans specifically for the puerto rican population. if we could put up for folks, we talk about harris's policy for puerto ricans, talking about strengthening puerto ricans energy, and launch an puerto rican opportunity, talking about expanding access to clean energy, bringing the child tax credit to puerto rican families, and supporting the expansion of 1,000 high school partnerships nationwide. what you see is the harris campaign trying to do the duel thing now that they have this closing argument. they are trying to point out they see donald trump as unhinged and unfit to be president, and what her specific version of the country looks likes. they are hearing, you can't just be talking about trump and his negativity, she has to put forth her ideas. tomorrow, of course, she goes to the ellipse and delivers the closing argument speech.

>> let's go back to something that garrett mentioned, the campaign and trump world are not distancing themselves other than the comedian and puerto rican comments, they're not distancing themselves about the joke about the black guy. they're not distancing themselves from tucker carlson, tampon tim, not that one. they're not talking about the fing illegals, or david rem called her the devil and the antichrist or rudy giuliani was denigrating palestinians. there is all this stuff that was said in the six-hour event. there's a whole lot more if you actually went and watched. the crowd loved it. they loved it inside that room. they wanted to hear more. they were cheering at all of those moments, even the ones that the campaign is trying to distance themselves from. the puerto rican island one. what is the evidence from the campaign that that love for this

sort of anger and this ugliness extends beyond those rooms? >> i was there at madison square garden yesterday. i did sit through all of the speeches. the crowd loved it, ate it up. this is what they wanted. part of the message is not an aberration. this goes to the heart of trump's message, which is they're trying to silence you. the phrase, some variation of that used last night. they're trying to silence you, trying to impose their values on you, and so this idea of saying things that are in politics, saying things that are crude. you never would have heard at a george bush rally. it's part of the testosterone driven message. we are real men. we say what we think. that's why you're not hearing them apologize. they're okay with that. that's part of the appeal. it is an appeal to the minority

of the country. they're not worried about the people they are alienating. they're assuming they can galvanize people who do support them in greater numbers than the other side can. that's the calculation. you go to madison square garden and you hear, i think, the raw message that donald trump and his allies are projecting right now. >> the question i had at the end, what is he going to do with that range rage now. that rage has led us down some ugly roads, into some ugly places. my producer nora foley went to madison square garden yesterday to talk to folks and asked a number of folks what i think is a really key question about whether they will accept the results of this next election. they believe 2020 was stolen. what are they going to do this time around? do they still believe her? >> if trump loses, will you accept the results? >> if trump loses will i accept the results?

>> i don't think trump's going to lose. >> what if he does? >> i'll let the people speak. >> reporter: will you accept the results? >> look, if donald trump accepts the results, i accept the results. >> reporter: what if he doesn't accept the results? >> then i don't accept the results. >> if it's a legal election, and i see with my own eyes, i would accept the results. >> i will accept it's a fair election, no fraud, if. >> we'll have to see. i think it's going to be rigged if trump doesn't win. i've been in every state in the u.s. and all i see is trump signs everywhere. >> reporter: you think the only way he could lose is if the election is rigged? >> 100%. >> garrett, all of those answers are qualified. do you hear differently when you're talking to folks at rallies? >> reporter: i hear the same. and i hear the same from donald trump. this is a core part of his stump speech that he believes the only

way he could lose is if this election is stolen from him. he's been saying that for more than a year at his events. when he's pressed about whether he'll accept the election results. if i win i will or only if it's a fair election. that's why it's important that vaughn hillyard asked trump recently if he's seen any indication in fraud or cheating in the results in north carolina, where vaughn was able to ask that question. it's the kind of thing we're going to have to sign post every possible chance we get between now and election day. on so many americans, including folks at these rallies are going to take their cue on how to respond to the results from what donald trump says on election night or the days that follow. >> and also, peter, they have what happened last time around. donald trump said these things in 2020, and what happened last time around was january 6th, and now january 6th is four years ago, and people are trying to whitewash it, saying it wasn't that bad.

it was antifa. it wasn't trump protesters. they have that to go for now that this election is coming around. it makes me wonder how much farther things can be taken potentially. hannah rosen, has don reporting about january 6th prisoners, including one who's been released. he kind of found himself in the capitol, put his feet on the desk of a senator, and smoked a joint. says he's going to stay in d.c. until jan 7th and rule out the idea that he could do something much worse than last time arn. i guess my question, peter, is why are so many republican officials standing behind this, even though they were put in a dangerous and threatening position four years ago, themselves. >> i think they're standing behind it because of the

interviews you just showed. they have learned crossing donald trump means paying a political price. jeff flake, adam corker, mitt romney, all out of office or headed out of office, and have no political future in the republican party. as long as donald trump is saying any election he's losing is rigged, you're going to hear republicans saying that. donald trump has never lost anything that wasn't rigged. every single time he has lost anything in his life, he has said it was rigged, a an election, the emmy awards on the apprentice. all of those were rigged. he refuses to believe it's possible for him to lose. he has shown he has dominant command of the republican pace. and they will believe him.

2/3 of republicans think the election was unfair. >> my question out of that is if there's violence on this version of january 6th and the republicans are standing by trump, what do they do on that day? do they open the doors so these people can go after their colleagues who do vote to certify the election for kamala harris if she wins? what do they do in the moment if it comes to that is this that's a question i shutter to think about it, and i shutter to bring to its logical extension. >> reporter: one thing i think we shouldn't lose sight of in that joe rogan interview, didn't get a ton of attention rogan pushed back on trump that is going to get in the way of election supporters. are you ever going to present

evidence of this trump had no answer to that question. it's worth noting that there is still some effort to make him defend these statements, and i think that effort is only going to get increased the closer to this election and the day that follows counting the votes. >> he can not present the evidence because the evidence doesn't exist. garrett haake. peter baker, thank you as well. still ahead, is the danger to democracy convincing undecided voters to choose paris. one of our top supervisors warns it is not. what message they say she should emphasize instead. the fbi vetting process made it hard to get security clearances the first time around. what happens if he decides to bypass the check points all together. "the new york times" reports some in donald trump's world are advocating just that. vp harris is all over michigan today as state starts to process

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closing message. joining us now, political strategist and former biden for president 2020 senior adviser, alencia johnson. it's good to have you. is this the best way to tell americans not to vote for donald trump but instead to vote for her? >> listen, i think she's going to do what a prosecutor would do. she had her opening argument. she has been on the trail prosecuting the case, right, showing the evidence and the contrast between her and donald trump, but this closing argument will really be about her vision for america. the new way forwards, right? yes, we are talking about the exponential threat that donald trump will be, but she has to pint that vision for folks, the first 100 days, the rights or freedoms that we have to rebuild or push forward, and so i do believe you'll hear a lot of that tomorrow, and it's a bit of reclaiming our country back because of what happened on january 6th was so egregious. this is the united states for

everybody. to bring actual joy andunity to washington, d.c. is central as well. >> what do you make for the future is, the messaging is not the most effective messaging to convince independent voters, and i'm going to play one voter and caveat in heavily because this is a man who was at the trump rally yesterday. he says he voted for biden and hillary clinton and when we asked him about the messaging about trump being a danger. here's what he told us. >> kamala harris has been campaigning on the idea that donald trump is a threat to democracy. how does that message resonate with you? >> it doesn't. >> reporter: why not? >> it feels political to me. it feels like a line that's being used as they should be used. >> obviously i cannot make a

poll out of one person, and obviously he was at the trump rally, but we have heard that from others. we have heard it from people in pennsylvania, who say they want to hear more of an economic message. they want to know more about her. they feel that after trump being a danger does feel like a partisan attack. there has been polling that says the more effective way is whether it's john kelly or mattis or milley, somebody who worked closely with donald trump, not kamala harris. >> here's the reality with media and what folks are paying attention to, the sensationalism, the negative conversation breaks through because the reality is vice president harris has been out on the trail talking about her message of freedom, whether it's reproductive free. where it's rights for lbgtiq. she announced amazing progressive policies. it is challenging that, yes,

some of those messages haven't, you know, broken completely through as much as some of the sound bites addressing how, yes, i expect a donald trump administration is dangerous. she is campaigning on that. and i think tomorrow you will see her talking about her vision forward, these policies to rebuild the economy that works for every americans, including the people who may not vote for her, she wants to rebuild reproductive freedom. she launched her campaign on the notion of freedom. that is her theme song. that message is out there, and hopefully the speech tomorrow penetrates there. >> alencia johnson, really good to have you. thank you so much. >> good to see you. vice president harris is in michigan today. who she's talking to and what she's tell them in this final week. what happens if donald trump decides to bypass the fbi when choosing advisers who will get

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some in donald trump's orbit are suggesting to get rid of the fbi's vetting process for security clearances if he's elected again. "the new york times" reports there's a memo circulating outlining how it would work according to three people briefed on the matter who spoke with a paper. it's unknown if donald trump has seen it or would agree. if he did, it could allow it to install more loyalists and people close to him who might not pass a traditional government background check done by the fbi. joining us now, brennan center for justice, senior adviser, brighton gelman, and "new york times" opinion columnist, david prench. -- french. i'm going to start with you because you're not in studio.

who would donald trump pick, this was a bill problem with jared kushner. >> it's any number of people. take your pick. what we're dealing with is a crank coalition that is surrounding around donald trump right now. and cranks tend to not do as well on background checks, and so you've also got a lot of people around him who participated to some degree in the january 6th plot, people who have served prison time who are trump loyalists as well. i don't think we could pinpoint one person. we know and we can see from the people who surround him he is building a crank coalition, especially in the core, if he's going to have the people around him who he wants to do his will, then some of these guys are going to have to find a way around the typical fbi background process. none of this surprises me at all. >> crank coalition, bart. what is the fbi background

check, traditionally done. what are the things that get flagged. what are they trying to avoid or prevent against when getting someone a security clearance? >> just to start off with. if you're applying for a security clearance, you have to fill out a 136-page form. sf-86. which asks you everywhere you have lived, everywhere you've worked, every foreign entanglement you've had, you know, all the way down a long list, and the important thing is there are criminal penalties for filling that out incorrectly. you swear, before an officer of the united states, that you're telling the truth, fully and completely. and so what they want to find is do you have potentially corrupt motives for something that might relate to your job. could you be blackmailed for something? do you have out of bounds spending patterns. are you beholden to some foreign

company or a foreign country. take jared kushner, he's had nearly $3 billion of investment money put in his hands by the governments of saudi arabia and a couple of its neighbors, and that gives them enormous leverage overhead. that would make it even harder for him to get a clearance, and he didn't get a clearance last time until donald trump just over rode the objections of the career officers who were in charge of that. >> and the president has the authority to do that. it makes me think of an interview that j.d. vance did with jake tapper yesterday, and tapper was trying to get j.d. vance, david, to explain why all of these very senior people around donald trump have come out and said the guy's a fascist, or fascist tendencies, he's dangerous. he's not the person you want in the oval office, he's not responsible, and j.d. vance says one of the ways he pushed back on this, and there were many ways, but one of the ways was to

say that john kelly, and mattis, and milley, all of these people have this world view that's not in line with donald trump's. they want to go to war while donald trump wants to be at peace. and i wonder if that was much more revealing. donald trump wants people around him who will say yes to whatever he says, it's not maybe that john kelly or mattis or milley, you know, didn't agree with his world view. they just didn't follow through with the things that donald trump was asking them to do when they broke the law. >> when kelly and mattis and others were selected to join the administration, maga pointed to them and said, look, see, donald trump isn't erratic. donald trump, he's completely -- he's within the norms of american politics. what are you see so afraid of, these respectable people want to work for him, and that was the line right until these very respected people actually saw him operate up close, and said this guys is erratic.

this guy is dangerous, and then they became the problem, and this is the pattern constantly with trump. he will phrase and surround himself with people, and as long as they are loyal to him. and then the instant they see him up close, the instant they see him operate and recoil from it, well, they were bad all along. that's the same kind of tired line. j.d. vance adds the extra kind of malicious twist, which is basically to say if i agree with donald trump, i'm a warmonger. i want there to be more conflict in the world, and that's just slander. that's just completely wrong but it's a way to inoculate the maga public against these critiques. it's a way to say you don't have to listen to these people because these people want war. it's slander, it's horrible. but unfortunately, it works with an awful lot of people. >> bart, last time you and i had

a long conversation was surrounding a piece you did for the atlantic ahead of the last election, and a lot of that, a lot of what you were warning against came to be. i mean, a lot of the timing of when donald trump would need to push back, the january 6th stuff. didn't get as apocalyptic as you were warning it could have gotten. you have a new piece about the next election, and some of the reporting that wasn't quite right. some of the assumptions you made about what could happen were not quite right. explain. >> look, 40 -- four years ago, i said donald trump is not going to concede defeat, not for any reason, he'll fight to overturn the election as hard as he can. i predicted a number of things he might try to do, and the crucial point that i was wrong about is that i thought the system might not hold, that we had never had that kind of challenge before, and we might not know what to do with it. democracy might not know how to

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vice president kamala harris has a packed day in michigan. she toured a semiconductor plant in saginaw early this afternoon

touting the administration's chips and science act. now she's headed to macomb county where she's touring a labor union facility, and later she'll be in ann arbor for a big rally tonight on stage with governor tim walz, the opening act, by the way, is maggie rogers. voting is open in the crucial swing state of michigan. nearly 1.8 million ballots have already been cast, and starting today, election workers can begin to process some of them. joining us now, nbc news correspondent shaq brewster who's in detroit for us. shaq, who has a need to process the ballots in the state of michigan? >> reporter: will help avoid the scenes we saw in 2020 where you had protesters banging on the glass outside some of these counting facilities, causing poll workers to stop the count. this allows poll workers to

start early. this is in detroit, at these tables, you see under the watchful eye of some election observers, you have clerking going through and actually opening up those individual ballot envelopes that have already been verified for signature. they open them up and check the number on the ballot and cross check with the number on the envelope and make sure it's consistent. if everything is consistent, and everything is squared away, then it goes into the actual tabulator. we won't know the results of those ballots or we won't know where or how people voted until election night. the idea is it will speed up the process so there's not a crunch. the impact, it's clear when you talk to the clerks, listen to my conversation with detroit's clerk. >> we'll have our resulted posted by 11:00 news. 90 to 95% will be posted by then. >> why is that?

>> now we're able to preprocess. we're able to do the work that we would do on election day, nine days prior to election day. >> what's the biggest impact that this law will have on this cycle? >> i think it will show voters that the process is clean, that the process is open, and that it works. >> reporter: now, not every jurisdiction across the state is going ahead and starting this preprocessing. there are some places that say that essentially too much staff required, too many resources, to keep everything secured the entire period of time, they prefer to wait until election day. you hear the excitement in the clerk's voice. they like they are not rushed on election day and can start the process now. . >> shaquille brewster, thank you very much. "politico" investigative correspondent, our favorite michigander. tell us what you're seeing and hearing out of michigan when it comes to harris versus trump?

how are both of them resonating in that state? >> hi, katy, it is just a razor thin, but i would say that michigan is even more of a baseline than pennsylvania is at this point. if we're looking at really the great lakes states of wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, where the harris campaign in these final moments is going to be bearing down, and the question is going to be whether she can gin up the turnout in those counties, more educated counties like oakland county, right there in wayne county as well, and detroit, as well as washington, which is where ann arbor is. and shaq is standing outside where i was in 2020, and it's really important what he's doing there, katy because we know what was done before with creating this false narrative that there was fraud taking place, and we know what's likely to happen again, which is someone outside one of these vote counting

centers thinks they see something that didn't happen, and then it blows up on social media and donald trump operationalizes that. keep in mind, this is only going to happen if donald trump thinks he's losing. we know because he's already called cities like detroit, like philadelphia corrupt that this is where they're going to try to focus. the more that reporters and county officials and elections officials can do to try and show people, hey, this is the same process that has sustained our democracy for generations and it is solid. it is transparent. and there is no ballots being carried in here in the middle of the night, as was the allegation in 2020 or who knows what the narrative is this time. if we know that donald trump is losing, absolutely that will happen. >> the conspiracy now is so deeply felt and believed by so many people that i wonder if there's anything that can be done to convince them that the

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you know, we talk a lot about a small sliver of voters who remain undecided. talk about them all the time. where are they going? only so few of them. turns out there could be quite a few more according to a new survey. so who are these folks and what exactly are they wait forget? joining us now, cnbc senior economics reporter the one and only steve liesman. thanks for being with us. who are these folks? >> well, it's a really interesting group. we actually call them the persuadables, which is a little bit larger than undecided. why? because 6% are undecided. those are the classic sliver that you're talking about. but then we pressed people. we said you tell us you're voting for trump, you tell us you're voting for harris. might you change your mind? and actually, that percentage is a little bit bigger. it's actually 16% total made up of 6% undecided and 10% -- now, look, when we asked the voters for trump, 87% of trump voters

said take a hike, we're sticking with our guy. but another 12% said i could change my mind. and when it came to harris, fewer -- a smaller percentage said they would change their mind. but still, that's 7% for harris, and it's a little bit smaller in the battleground states. now, i don't know if you want to talk about who they are. and it's an interesting thing that really could turn the election either way. we're kind of on the edge of our seats. 45% of them are men. but 53% are women. women, they tend to break more for harris. then take a look at republicans. 24% of the republican. so if they come home for trump, then he's going to do okay. if they go over to harris's side, that could be a margin of victory for her. high school or less, those are trump voters. well, 30% say they are in that persuadable camp. but the college graduates just 22%. so there could be a bit of shifting, and this ends up being, katy, the achilles heel of every single poll. we don't know how these undecided and persuadables will

break. you just can't know that now. and we don't know who's going to turn out. >> so maddening to try to figure out what's going to happen. i think we're going to have a clear narrative for what has happened and the story for why harris won or why trump won after the election. but to try to figure out which path we're on right now is so hard to predict the future. steve, do we have a sense of what these voters are still waiting to hear? is there something that they want out of these candidates or -- you tell me. >> they tend to be what we call low-intensity voters. when we ask them on a scale of 1 to 10 how interested are you in this election, they tend to be below average. so i don't know if they haven't made up their mind because they have not been very engaged or maybe they're not very engaged because they haven't made up their mind. but when we look at these voters, these are in part, a big chunk of them, trump has a big lead with these lower intensity voters. for example, blue-collar voters. the poor working class. high school or less.

those, by the way, ten years ago, maybe more, they were democratic voters and the democrats had a problem with that. harris's big problem, voters of color tend to be a little bit more low intensity voters. and by the way, katy, if you want to know why each candidate is where they have been the last couple days and last couple weeks, it's because of this particular chart. why did trump go to mcdonald's? why is he on the joe rogan show? why is harris in detroit? she has to get voters of color to the polls. those are a big gain for her. trump has to get these blue collar voters to the polls. >> tells you a lot. what they say, where they go, what they do. steve liesman, thank you very much, sir. >> pleasure. >> and that's going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts after a very short break. don't go anywhere. reak don't go anywhere. ♪ ♪ have you always had trouble losing weight

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