big victory in pennsylvania. it doesn't happen, imagine the reaction to that. little scary. >> seems they're laying groundwork for exactly that. as the vice president will surely note tonight from the ellipse, last time this happened, there was violence. >> i remember that. not good. >> not good another all. it's that analysis we turn to you for. >> anytime, man. come back to d.c. >> managing editor at the bulwark, sam stein, we appreciate it. thank you so much. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this tuesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. close to world war ii because we have people in the white house that -- world war iii. thank you. [ laughter ] thank you, thank you. i had world war ii. i had world war ii veterans. the word veteran, but thank you

very much. >> all right. a little bit confused there, donald trump, needing help from his own audience in atlanta yesterday. once again forgetting the u.s. has already fought world war ii. good morning and welcome to -- >> hold on. >> yes? >> in his defense, nobody really wrote about that war. it's kind of like when meacham starts talking about the french-indian war. willie, it's not as if that historical event is the most written about and read about event of the 20th century. it's not -- you know, it's easy for him to forget it. it just happens two, three times. just like he's accidentally called joe biden barack. you know, barack obama is in the white house. it happens, i guess. >> we know he's not a reader, and that's okay. >> grandpa simpson. >> there's been movies about world war ii, about that day.

>> really? >> yeah, june the 6th, 1944. >> what are they? i want to see some of these. >> spielberg did one. what year, mike, '98 or '99? >> yeah. >> "band of brothers," you'll love that show. very enlightening. >> and the beatles. >> as we said, this is not the first time he has made this mistake, having to be reminded, as mika said, by his own audience that it is not world war ii. these are small problems in the context of what we've been seeing recently from donald trump. >> right. >> but something is not quite there. synapse is not firing. >> lost a couple, well, maybe 20 miles off his fastball, mika. we'll see what happens. i've got to say, i'm struck by the fact the october surprise this year thus far has been donald trump and the mistakes that the campaign has made.

the madison square garden mistake with a guy that trashes puerto rico, and nobody can act shocked about it. donald trump, willie, stayed on stage and talked for a couple of hours, i guess. never once said, oh, we don't like that joke. how dare we bring that up tonight. the reason why, there were three nbc producers that saw him the night before, his routine, knowing he was going to be on that night. he did the same puerto rican joke. i mean, that's part of his act. he told people, i'm going to say this tomorrow night. and the trump people knew it. >> yeah. >> they had him on. it took them three hours. the crazy thing is, there were fights inside the trump campaign on whether they should correct it or not. jd vance yesterday doing what only jd vance can do, making a really bad situation a whole lot worse for your campaign.

goes, i don't know what the big deal is. americans, puerto rican americans, jd vance doesn't know what the big deal is with the joke. there was a fight on the campaign about them actually apologizing for a joke that donald trump refused to apologize for while he was on the stage. >> jd vance said, mika, he's sick and tired of people being offended by everything. told people to get over it. initially said, i haven't heard the joke. >> right. >> he's heard the joke. >> yeah, whatever. >> the way of dealing with things. >> this was a joke early in the rally at madison square garden that has taken hold among democrats and the campaign. we've heard it amplified by the harris campaign. because there are so many puerto rican americans across the country, but especially in states like pennsylvania that she needs to win. >> if i could finish the sentence, so many puerto rican americans who were deeply, deeply hurt by it. they are still talking about it. we are still talking about it because people were so hurt, so

denigrated. yet, this is how jd vance responded to it. >> i haven't seen the joke. i -- you know, maybe it's a stupid, racist joke, as you said, maybe it's not. i'm not going to comment on the specifics of the joke, but i think we have to stop getting so offended at every little thing in the united states of america. i'm just so over it. >> okay. that's jd vance's way of dealing with what was, i think, very damaging to the campaign perhaps, joe. >> he's seen the joke. he's not telling the truth. >> we know that. >> everybody was sending the joke around. this is what they do. they go, oh, i don't know. like when he was spreading a lie about his own constituents in springfield. it was like, wait, i don't know. people are just saying. this is, again, how they spread lies, how they spread insults,

how they spread hate. then they deny it. mike, again, i understand they don't care about puerto ricans and how puerto ricans feel, how americans feel of puerto rican descent. how people in springfield feel, even when republican governors are saying, please stop. you're making things worse here. a republican mayor in aurora, colorado, please stop lying about venezuelan gangs. it's just not the case. here, though, let's just -- again, it's hard for us to put ourselves in the position of a parent with children who are americans, who are puerto ricans, and having to explain to the children when they go to school why some people may be making fun of them and calling them garbage. and then understanding it was

because donald trump's rally. because nobody spoke out strongly against it at the rally. so that's what they're going to school with. maybe that doesn't matter to jd vance, but i bet it'd matter to jd vance if it were his children that were being abused at school. >> right. >> you know, it's just another indictment of the way the campaign is being run. not by the people who run the campaign, but the people who symbolize the campaign. donald trump and jd vance. on this one, the idea that they have taken something that was on a prompter, that was vetted prior to delivery, that one really scurrilous, obscene slur to describe the vice president of the united states, also running for president, was extracted from the content of the supposed comedian's act, it's incredible to disbelieve

how bad this thing was. >> yeah. >> mika, you just had, and i indicated you should take a look at it, the front page of "the new york times" today, "back to springfield, ohio." the parents of aiden clark, an 11-year-old child who died in the school bus accident when his school bus was hit by a haitian immigrant who was here legally. both donald trump and jd vance decided to call it a murder. they call this young boy's life and death a murder. and the torture that his parents have endured and been put through since the incident occurred several months ago is horrendous. it has changed and altered and damaged the lives of the living. >> sitting with their little boy's blanket, joe. >> hold that up, mika. >> mm-hmm. >> i can't imagine the pain

those parents are going through. and then to watch their son, their child used as a political prop, to be lied about. making the pain worse. keep that up. this is not personal to me. but this is personal to people i know. when donald trump decided to attack me because he didn't like my covid coverage, and he lied about a woman who worked in my office and claimed that we were involved, that i had her killed. and her husband, the widowed husband begged him to stop lying because of the excruciating pain that it put her parents through and put him through. the fact that he had not been able to move on for 20 years, 25

years, because of the lies. they could not find rest or peace. donald trump didn't care. he just kept doing it. he didn't care. >> right. >> what the family thought, didn't care what the husband thought. he didn't care what the people whose grief he was only making worse. and here we have in ohio, mika, we have a family enduring that pain because of their son being lied about for political purposes. they have been put on notice. the father spoke before the city council, i believe a month or two ago, saying, please stop lying about my son. you know nothing about him. if you did, you would know this is the opposite of what he would be saying right now based on the wonderful, short life that he

lived. but they don't care. i cannot -- i cannot imagine these men. >> no. >> i cannot imagine people that when parents are begging them, please stop lying about our dead children, please stop. let us bury them in peace and move on. they won't do it, mika. they are without shame. >> i know. >> they know better. >> the pain they are inflicting. >> to exploit the death of a young child in springfield and others and lie about it because they want to gain power. this is stark. if you think this is normal, well, you haven't been around politics long enough. i can tell you, if it happened while i was in congress, if it happened while claire was in the senate and somebody did this,

they would be excommunicated. nobody would talk to them. they would be scorned. their leadership would say, "you apologize to the parents. you take back the lie, or you will be stripped of your committees tomorrow. you straighten up." but there are no guardrails, mika. no guardrails on the truth. no guardrails on decency. no guardrails on the very things that keep us bound together, even in the most difficult of political times. let me say, that happens. tip o'neill and ronald reagan could not stand each other's political philosophy, but they worked together. bill clinton and newt gingrich could not stand each other's political philosophies, and it got ugly. they still worked together for the betterment of america. balancing the budget for four years in a row in the betterment of a century.

here, no ties that bind. decency is on the ballot as much as democracy. >> inflicting pain on people purposefully. willie, you saw jd vance and the very slippery, dishonest, callous response to the way puerto rican americans are feeling about that joke that hurt them so deeply. the harris campaign had a bit of a different take on it. >> yeah, i mean, that very day, vice president harris announced a plan to help puerto rico. talked about how the federal government was going to invest in puerto rico. she won the endorsement of bad bunny, arguably the most famous person from puerto rico right now. j.lo, a bunch of other ones. but to your point about this, the father of aiden clark did make a plea, a teary plea in front of the city council last month, saying, please, please, keep my son's name out of your mouth. republican politicians who are

using this. he said, my son was stolen from me. i could not protect him that day when he died in an automobile accident. now, i can't even protect his memory. that is a father pleading with his senator, jd vance is his senator, asking at least for an apology and not even getting that. i guess it's what we've come to expect from this group, which flirted with the kind of people and conspiracy theorists who have done this to the sandy hook families and on and on and on. inflicting pain on people already experiencing unthinkable pain. so vice president harris condemned the racist jokes about puerto rico and criticized the former president for his rally's message to americans, the one at madison square garden. while former president barack obama responded to the comments about puerto rico last night while campaigning for harris in philadelphia. >> i think last night, donald trump's event at madison square garden highlighted a point i've been making throughout this campaign. he is focused and fixated on his

grievances, on himself, and on dividing our country. this is not new about him, by the way. what he did last night is not a discovery. it is just more of the same. maybe more vivid than usual. donald trump spent full time trying to have americans point their finger at each other. it fans the fuel of hate and division, and that's why people are exhausted with him. that's why people who formerly have supported donald trump, have voted for him, are supporting me, voting for me. >> these are fellow citizens he is talking about. here in philadelphia, they are your neighbors. they are your friends. they are your coworkers. their kids go to school with your kids. plausz [ applause ]

>> these are americans. they're people. and that is the reason why this election should not be close. it should be clear. here's a good rule, if somebody does not respect you, if somebody does not see you, as fellow citizens with equal claim to opportunity, to the pursuit of happiness, to the american dream, you should not vote for them. >> claire mccaskill, we can talk about the electoral implications of the comment that was at the madison square garden rally in terms of how many puerto rican americans there are in a state like pennsylvania, where president obama was speaking there. also setting up in this last week, one week from election day, this decency and cruelty. do you want an insult comic atop

the government, who cares nothing about who he hurts on his way trying to get back into the white house? the harris campaign clearly happy to set up that contrast. >> yeah. willie, one thing that's really interesting to me, it wasn't just the comic. it was the entire six hours. she was called the antichrist. another speaker talked about her pimp. there was stephen miller. in july, on the exact date of friday, excuse me, june 14th of 1940, page three of the "post dispatch," adolf hitler was interviewed. quoting from his article where he was interviewed, he said, "therefore, i say, america is for americans." stephen miller took the stage on sunday evening, and he said, "america is for americans and only americans." ironically, as president obama pointed out, puerto ricans, even those living in puerto rico, are americans. they're american citizens.

but here's the hypocrisy of stephen miller. he is the genius behind the mass deportations. his great grandfather escaped jewish persecution in europe, came to ellis island and couldn't speak english. came into this country as a foreigner with no english skills whatsoever. of course, his family worked hard through the generations and through the decades and became very successful. stephen was raised in a wealthy family. now, he is parroting the exact words of adolf hitler. at a rally for somebody who is running for president of the united states. somebody ought to think about the level of hypocrisy and hate that this campaign is focused on. >> i mean, my god. look at donald trump and his own family. i don't say this negatively.

i mean, he's married to an immigrant. his first wife was an immigrant. his children, i think four of his five children are children of immigrants. his mother was an immigrant. with, i believe, many, many siblings. i mean, this is the american dream. as ronald reagan said, and i know ronald reagan, i guess, is out of vogue. the very people that worked for him, a lot of them are endorsing donald trump. but others just tried to turn a blind eye to the fact that ronald reagan chose, just as ike chose to warn america against the growing military industrial complex, ronald reagan used his farewell speech to warn about what would happen if we close the doors of this great country to immigrants.

he said, we would grow old. we would grow weary. we would lose our competitive advantage. immigrants keep us forever young. ronald reagan's words, not mine. donald trump's words, not mine. you know, gene, to tell you how callous things have become, we talk about the firehose of falsehoods. let's talk about the firehose of bigotry. we have been talking about the trump rally calling puerto ricans garbage. how insulting that's been. but there were so many insults we haven't even gotten to the part where the speaker saw a black man in the audience and made a watermelon joke. >> yeah. >> that usually, in normal

times, would stop the rally. people would say, you need to get off the stage. they would apologize a hundred times over. just don't. then they pretend they didn't hear the joke when you know they did. >> they get deaf, don't they? they get selectively deaf. they didn't hear what was said for six hours at that rally. it was -- what an amazing and frightening and awful spectacle that was. of course, the comic was terrible. as claire said, the whole thing, the vice president of the united states was called the antichrist. another speaker said that democrats needed to be slaughtered. it was absolutely beyond the pale, yet, that's where we are now.

it is not only justified, but necessary and inevitable to compare that rally to the nazi rally that was held there before world war ii. that should never be appropriate or necessary in american politics, and yet it is. this is where donald trump and the maga movement from brought us. they've brought us to this terrible place where -- and now, they're seeking license to take us even further into the dark realm for four more years. it's frightening. it should be frightening to anyone who loves this country and the essence and idea of this country. >> the rally comes a week or so out from the election, and there are implications right now. democrats trying to take advantage of what was said at msg.

we heard from vice president harris. we heard from former president obama. democrats telling me the remarks electrified puerto ricans across the country, many who live in battleground states, namely pennsylvania. groups by democrats' own admission had been less engaged perhaps with the harris campaign and now are there. they're motivated to turn out and vote. again, of course, we know the trump team tried to court the latino vote. didn't help. there's the tactical politics of the next week, who we are and the statement of what donald trump's presidency would look like, were he to win. that was a hate rally. it was to underscore his divisive message where it is all about creating the other. people who don't look like him are the other. people who don't think like him are the other. people perhaps who immigrated from other countries are the

other. certainly, democrats are the other. taken in tandem with his threat to use the military to go after his -- and the department of justice to go after his political opponents, paints a very scary vision for the next four years. >> by the way, if you're sitting at home going, oh, this is much to do about nothing, it's democrats taking victory laps, let me tell you, it is not. it is not by judging. again, i said, you should listen to what donald trump says the final weeks of the campaign. you should. in this case, if you want to know whether this is a big deal or not, do not listen to democrats. listen to republicans in the state of florida. listen to them panicking. the same republicans that stayed quiet and supported donald trump when he tried to undermine knock on january 6th. the same republicans that tried to undermine the rule of law after he was convicted and they chose to attack jury systems. to attack the jury.

these same people are panicking and have been panicking the past two days in the state of florida, talking about how horrible that joke was and how racist it was. how bad it was. yeah, this is bad. it's bad. it's a very bad look. donald trump knew about it, sat there, and said nothing while speaking for hours and hours. speaking of that, video that is surprising, mika, we'll show on the other side of the break. kamala harris' crowds versus what happened to donald trump in georgia. >> right. trump himself talks about crowd size as being an indicator, so it's worth looking at that. still ahead on "morning joe," vice president kamala harris is set to deliver her campaign's closing arguments today in a speech at the ellipse in washington, d.c. harris campaign chair, jen o'malley dillon, will join us with the preview of that. plus, the fallout for "the washington post" after billionaire owner jeff bezos

blocks an endorsement for vice president harris. we'll talk to "the post's" former executive editor, marty baron, about that decision and the fallout. as we go to break, the response from the harris campaign to trump's racist rally in new york city. we're back in 90 seconds. a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean. i think it's called puerto rico. >> puerto rico. >> i will never forget what donald trump did. he abandoned the island and offered nothing more than paper towels and insults. puerto ricans deserve better. as president, i will always fight for you and your family. and, together, we can chart a new way forward. i'm kamala harris, and i approve this message. s symptoms... ...with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn't ok. and i was done settling.

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it was a tale of two crowds last night at the campaign trail. donald trump, of course, always brags about the size of his crowds as a metric of his support nationally. it's not, of course. take a look at the rally last night for vice president kamala harris in ann arbor, michigan. her campaign says as many as 21,000 people were there. this comes a day after she drew 30,000 people, actually friday night in houston. now, here's a look at video from the "atlanta journal constitution" excellent political reporter, greg bluestein. he said this was an hour into trump's speech last night.

many empty seats. some people who may have been there began to stream out at some point. jonathan lemire, another big speech dialed up for vice president harris at the ellipse. they got a permit for 20,000 more people. >> certainly, we know for a decade now how much donald trump prizes the size of his crowds. perhaps no moment in his one debate with vice president harris got under his skin more than when the vice president noted exactly what we just saw there. during donald trump's rallies, people eventually get up, walk out, and they leave. we have seen this time and time again. look, he is a lighter campaign schedule this time around than in previous election cycles. the crowds are not as big. many people have seen him before. you know, he uses crowd size as a measure of enthusiasm. well, if so, that's a worry. vice president harris, when she took over the ticket in july, had a bunch of mega rallies. backed off those for a while, but they are back.

certainly tonight at the ellipse, she's trying to use that setting as the backdrop for her closing argument. i saw it yesterday. the stage is being built there. you know, it's the same spot where trump held his stop the steal rally on january 6th. moments before the capitol insurrection. it is going to look very different tonight. there's a huge blue banner up that says "freedom," which is harris' campaign slogan. they're expecting 20,000 people. it'll be chilly in washington evening, but expect two things, i'm hold by harris aides. one, the contrast, the different visions about donald trump taking us back to the world of january 6th, and vice president harris looking to move forward. warning about trump and the dangers he'd present if he has another four years. talking about his political enemies list. vice president harris, what has become her go-to closing argument, talking about her to-do list. painting trump for himself. her for the american people. >> gene, jonathan's assessment

of the rally this evening in washington, you've been around a while. i've been around a while. we've seen a lot of campaigns and a lot of different candidates. but i can't even come close to imagining another candidacy or another campaign in the past that's so focused on cruelty and division hitting into the election day. i'm wondering if, like me, you think the ultimate question that might be answered a week from today, next tuesday, is not really who won and who lost, but who are we as a nation? >> who are we, right. this is a test. this is a giant litmus test for the american people. seems to me, you cannot imagine two starker visions of america's past, present, and future. you can't imagine two more

starkly different visions of who we are. and donald trump believes we are -- that we are america first and only. that we hate immigrants, that we are racist. that we are misogynistic. this is the tenor of his campaign. he hopes that win with that, thinks that's who we are. vice president harris has a different, more optimistic, and i hope more accurate vision of who we are. of this great nation of immigrants, this nation of optimism, this nation of the future rather than the past. i dearly hope she's right.

but you're right, mike, this is a test. >> yeah. >> it really is, claire. i guess something that i still -- i just can't really figure out, and maybe you can help me out here, i can't figure out why a candidate who traditionally has a 47 ceiling, 48 ceiling, i just don't understand why they don't play to bring more people in. why, for them, it's a game of subtraction instead of a game of addition. kari lake was supposed to win two years ago, would be arizona's next governor. started insulting mccain republicans, saying we don't want you here. insulting other people. we see it with donald trump all the time, constantly talking about the others, constantly attacking the others. that's what we saw last night.

again, i don't know how he gets from here to there. maybe he does. maybe he wins. but it is constantly attacking other people instead of bringing them in to grow your campaign. >> yeah. and there is a problem with his theory. he's always been this way. it worked in '16. i watched it work in my state. he assumed there were a bunch of voters that wanted to give the middle finger to america. that were so angry about where they found themselves in the world. they thought others, whether mexicans or muslims or black people or gay people, that they were the problem. nothing in their life was the problem. the others were the problem. this is what donald trump has always marketed to. this has been his message, and we has always done this. a political scientist will tell you you have to animate your

base and get them enthusiastic about who you are and your vision, but you also have to bring out other people to your side. reach out and include others. addition, not subtraction. that's not what donald trump does. donald trump wants to go deep. deep into the hate and grievance. he wants to go further and further down this ugly slope, to the least common denominator of humanity, which is, unfortunately, hate. >> yeah, and -- >> that's where he is hanging out, and that's where he is going to stay. now, will it work this time? i don't know. we've got an awful lot of republicans, more so than -- never in history have this many cabinet members, the vice president, people who were close to him, very close to him in the first term, never in history have this many people said, no, he can't be the guy. you can't vote for him. we'll see if his subtraction works. i think you have to have addition, but it is very sad to

me that this is the way he thinks you want to be president of the united states. >> we been looking at the destruction he will do if he wins and the hate. now to the destruction that has been done by donald trump. coming up, an emotional and extremely difficult conversation about trump abortion bans and the dire consequences they are having on women's health. yesterday, i sat down with a group of women who have had traumatic experiences caused by those bans. one of them was deborah, who shared her harrowing and painful story about being forced to carry her baby who had potter's syndrome to term, knowing that he would die, which he did 94 minutes after she gave birth to him. >> tell me specifically what it was like for your body and mind to go through this. >> i fell into deep depression.

was starting to have suicidal thoughts. i entered pain that was worse than labor itself, and i fell into a deep, dark place, both physically and mentally. trying to understand, like, prepare myself for delivery. because i metlife and death all in the same day. >> your husband and little caden, can you describe what they went through? >> for caden, i mean, now i'm trying to get comfortable with the uncomfortable. it's allowing that space for him to share his grief. he is asking questions, what is an angel? where did his brother go? what is heaven? does he have toys? and questions i'm telling him, i don't know. what do you think? because he lost his brother, and that's all he knows.

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third home run in a three-game series. just on fire, including the walk-off grand slam in game one. gives dodgers an early lead on the way to a 4-2 victory over the yankees last night. freeman making his case for series mvp. walker buehler of vanderbilt university and six relievers combined in a five-hitter for los angeles. put the dodgers on the cusp of their second championship in five years, eighth in franchise history. just dominating the yankees. dodgers could complete the sweep of the yanks with another road win tonight in game four. no team has ever overcome a 3-0 series deficit to win the world series, though i heard one team should win a series 20 years ago, against the yankees after down 3-0. joining us now, 16 year mlb veteran and analyst mark derosa. good to see you, man. >> how you doing? >> i'm a yankee fan, so not great. >> i am, too. i'm bias in the industry but -- >> are you surprised by how good the pitching has been for the

dodgers combined with how terrible the hitting has been for the yankees? >> i don't want to say surprised. at the end of the day, i do think the dodgers had starting pitching injuries. but the three guys they've run out there are really darn good. i am surprised that the yankees' bats have gotten so cold. it's been a couple games. it's almost like freddie freeman's grand slam in game one completely shut this offense down and took their soul. >> you look at aaron judge, who had one of the greatest single regular seasons in major league history. he'll be the mvp in a runaway. as a former major league baseball player who has been hot, who has in the slump, how do you explain what is going on right now? >> this is a classic mental slump. this isn't a physical move, nothing different at the plate. he used to get to 1-0, 2-0 counts, get the pitch to drive and not miss it. he looks rushed at the plate. he is trying to do too much. he has the city on his back.

he understands that. >> lost his swing. >> yeah, but i think for me, he's covered up a lot of flaws on this roster for a while. >> yeah. >> when he doesn't go, they don't really have a chance. juan soto at the end of the day has played well. giancarlo stanton hit well. in the 99's team. >> it feels that way. three guys hitting. nine guys in the lineup. you can't win that way. walker buehler was great last night. yamamoto was beyond great in game two. this is a combination of two things. the dodgers just look like a vastly superior team. >> well, i mean, that's the crazy thing about baseball. we say it all the time. it's who is hitting. it's who's pitching. it's the timing of october. i go back to the cardinals team, won 83 games, got hot in october and won the world series.

mark, let's talk about specifically the dodgers. we've been making fun of the dodgers for years here, saying, yeah, win 110 games, then your pitchers, you know, are terrible in the playoffs. you get swept. nobody saw yamamoto -- everybody knows yamamoto is great. nobody saw, though, his performance the other night. again, timing is everything. walker buehler, great pitcher who has had a rough, rough string of injuries. nobody saw last night's game coming. this is what baseball in october is all about. it's timing and when you get hot. who in the world would have seen yamamoto and walker buehler's performances, like even two weeks ago, looking anything like this? >> joe, you're right. i am surprised by the depth. the fact they've been able to go deep into the games. starting with jack flaherty game one, that's the biggest thing for me. that i been able to spin the ball in the strike zone, get

ahead. last night, yankees' hitters swung at 24 fastballs in the zone. it's not who they are. hopefully tonight, it's a bullpen game, yanks find a way to push this to game five. i want gerrit cole back on mound, see if they can make a series of it. right now, you have to tip your cap to the dodgers. >> mike, i think at alabama, they have a saying that says, you know, this is where legends are made. as you go to the weight room. then you lose to vandy, but that's another story. >> i didn't say it. >> the world series. by the way, how in the world do you drop vandy out of the top 25 when they lose to texas by three points? >> thank you, joe. >> we'll talk about that later. >> yeah. >> that is insanity. vandy is a really good, solid team. they could beat about ten teams in the top 25, including alabama. they already have. but, mike, this is where legends are made. it's the world series. it's the fall classic.

we remember 50, 40 years, almost 50 years later. reggie jackson, game six, 1977. he lifts the yankees with three home runs to beat the dodgers. freddie freeman now. kids 30 years from now will remember, if they go on and win, what freddie freeman has meant, you know, in october when it mattered the most. he's lifted this team on his shoulders. >> joe, tales are epic. 1975. i mean, every october is a surprise. the big surprise, i think, for the baseball fans this year is the length o the dodgers' lineup. begins with jack flaherty. you expect a good game. tough game coming into it, but he'll have a good game because he is jack flaherty. gave them a good game. the surprise, as willie noted and mark mentioned, is yamamoto, gives them 6 1/3 innings coming out of the box. >> yeah. >> followed up by walker

buehler, a potential cy young award winner who has had two tommy john surgeries and had a tough summer coming back. he gives an epic game last night. the length of the dodgers' lineup compared to the yankee lineup, mark, is staggering. given the payrolls of both teams. >> it's funny. tommy edmund hit fifth. hit ninth in game one. won the nlcs mvp. freddie freeman is an unbelievable story. i've known him since 18 years old, farm hand with the atlanta braves. the process is right. slow heart beat. got going, is healthy, ankle feels good. gone deep in five straight world series games. >> talk about the magic and the gift freddie freeman gave baseball, gave americans, when he hit the -- what did he do? >> i went back to my hotel room in the seventh inning because i wanted to lock in and watch it, manage along with it. when he went deep, for him to run over to his father, it brought tears the to your eyes.

i hate to be sappy, but it's what -- it's why i played. i wanted to honor my father. played catch with him in the backyard. i swear, i got every hit in my career for my dad. to watch freddie, his story, he lost his mom to skin cancer at a very young age. that's why he wears sleeves. i've watched this guy grow up, like i said, in the atlanta braves organization. truth be told, i think he wanted to stay there. he was jaded when he went over to the dodgers. game one, that swing, he became a dodger. it was unbelievable. >> yeah. he let the atlanta fans know later, he wanted to stay in atlanta. but, yeah, going over to his dad and hugging him, later saying, this is my dad. this is all about my dad pitching to me. throwing to me. batting practice every day. my gosh, what an incredible story. now, jonathan lemire, that is a happy, uplifting story.

and we're going to try something. we're going to throw you in the pool, okay? the yankees are down, 3-0. we're going to see if you can paddle and be polite to two yankee fans and not do what you did when you ran into a barroom and screamed, "jeter sucked" at an inappropriate time in your youth. i want you to show class right now and act like you've been there before. ask a polite question of our two yankee fans. >> well, that moment with jeter, that could have been any day. not just from my youth. but i will. i'll say this, this has been a showcase series for major league baseball. the stars involved, the cities involved, the teams involved. >> stars are good. >> shohei ohtani hasn't done much for the dodgers, but we're playing he is playing. mookie betts had a nice night. the past, invoked 20 years ago,

we know what happened in the 3-0 comeback. i'm being classy, not talking about the teams involved. if you were to do the same for the yankees, it starts the bullpen game. it's cold tomorrow. i'll get the rest of the way there. >> they have to start hitting. judge has to have a moment for the stadium and the fans. it can't be the expectation at the bottom of the lineup will get this done. they don't play fundamentally sound baseball. for me, they don't run the bases as good as the dodgers. they don't do anything as good as the dodgers, except the ability to drive the ball out of the park. i just want 99 to not go into the offseason carrying this burden. >> by the way, the dodgers' defense has been great, too. >> really good. >> the throw last night, the catch, couple catches by mookie. it's a great game. >> one game at a time, willie. ridgewood high school. >> well, we had some tough ones against you at bergen catholic, my friend. mark derosa, career postseason batting average, .358 in the

postseason. >> whoa! >> a guy who delivered. >> mr. october. >> far from it. >> game four of the world series tonight in the bronx. let's see if we can get one. mlb coverage from the yankee stadium starts at noon with mark co-hosting mlb central. great to have you here. >> thanks for having me. good to see you. >> you too. ahead, we'll hear from congressman ruben gallego about his closely watched senate race in arizona against republican kari lake. plus, harris campaign chair jen o'malley dillon joins the conversation with the state of the race one week from election day. "morning joe" is coming right back. take a live look at yankee stadium. ♪ everyday people ♪

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trump's attorney, alina habba, who made quite the entrance. ♪ i win win win no matter what ♪ ♪ money on my mind i can never get enough ♪ ♪ every time i step up in the building everybody's hands go up ♪ ♪ and they stay there and they stay there ♪ ♪ and they stay there up up up ♪ ♪ all i do is win win win ♪ >> melania, this is my lawyer. [ applause ] the choice of song, all i do is win, win, win. she represented him in court. he lost. had to pay $83 million. welcome back to "morning joe." it is thursday -- tuesday, only tuesday, guys. one week until election day. october 29th. claire mccaskill, jonathan

lemire, eugene robinson, and mike barnicle are still with us. joining the conversation, we have special correspondent at "vanity fair" and host of the "fast politics" podcast, molly jong-fast. she's an msnbc contributor. and white house correspondent for "the new york times," peter baker is with us. joe, wow, there's a lot to get to this morning. both campaigns are a week away now. >> yeah, yeah. talk about donald trump's lawyer, it's interesting, the entrance. you know, not only did they lose for donald trump, but if i'm not mistaken, in the business fraud trial, they didn't ask for a jury trial. so they let one judge determine the issue of liability. that was such a colossal mistake. >> a lot of money. >> if donald trump didn't know about that and there was a

suggestion that he was surprised by it, man, that's a mammoth mistake that ended up costing him hundreds of millions of dollars. i don't know i'd be dancing. i'd be reading lawbooks. again, i'm a simple country lawyer. most lawyers i know didn't walk into the courthouse like that. that would have been -- >> all right. >> -- a tough few minutes in front of the bench. willie -- >> it was part of the event. >> we're talking about lawyers. willie, i wanted to ask you quickly, just following up, and i'm serious about this. the barnicle boys did a great comeback thing in 2004 about the red sox coming back from being down 3-0. you know, you always question, can it happen? can it not happen? i remember talking to mike in real time. you know, millar in the documentary saying, you don't want us to win tonight.

>> right. >> you let us win tonight, there's going to be trouble. they believed that. i guess the question is, with aaron judge struggling the way he is, do you think the yankees are the type of team that believe that and can do that? you know baseball, it's weird. you start hitting one night -- i remember the braves ahead of the yankees two games to nothing. beat them in 1996. the great atlanta sports writer started comparing the braves to the '27 yankees. we then lost four in a row. so anything can happen in baseball. you get hot, if your team believes, like the red sox did in '04, anything can happen. what about the character of this yankees team? do you think they've got it in them? >> they believe that aaron judge cannot continue to play like this. he's going to have to break out of it at some point, though it's been a long postseason of this. the pattern is there. but i always -- i'm been eternal

optimist, so i think, all right, you win tonight against the bullpen. now it's 3-1. you have gerrit cole going. >> cole tomorrow night. >> yeah, game five. now it's 3-2 maybe if you get a great gerrit cole game and judge wakes up in the next two games at home. then anything can happen when you have it in l.a. it's a long road. i think 3-1 is a little more manageable mentally. then you go, already, steal game six, anything happens in a game seven. there's a reason no one has done it before. only one team in the history of the sport has ever done it in any series, the 2004 boston red sox. it is an uphill climb. it is unlikely. you wouldn't bet on it. i do think if judge wakes up and the other guys continue to hit the way they've hit, they have a fighting chance tonight and tomorrow night. we'll see what happens in l.a. >> because the thing is, let's say they steal one tonight, a bullpen win. tomorrow night, they've got gerrit cole, who is going to go as long into the game as he can go. at that point, anything really

can happen. for the dodgers, you really did get a performance out of yamamoto and walker buehler that nobody expected. are they going to do that again three nights from now, four nights from now? kind of questionable. we'll see, though. anything is possible. hope springs eternal. on that happy news, mika, let's turn it over to cheerful -- >> appreciate the optimism. >> -- news of politics. we'll get to the news. we have a lot to get to. marty baron, the former executive editor of "the washington post" is going to be joining us, as well as the head of the harris campaign, jen o'malley dillon. that in just the next few minutes. we start right now with new reporting that sunday's rally at madison square garden was not the first time comedian tony hinchcliffe made a racist joke about puerto rico. that wasn't something off the cuff. it was planned. according to an nbc news producer and three other people who happened to be in the

audience, hinchcliffe workshopped the material saturday night at a new york city comedy club. they say the joke about puerto rico being a floating pile of garbage did not draw laughs, just a handful of awkward chuckles. hinchcliffe told the audience multiple times during his routine that he would get a better reaction, quote, tomorrow at the rally. jd vance, who spoke at sunday's rally, was asked about it last night while campaigning in wisconsin. >> i haven't seen the joke. you know, maybe, maybe it's a stupid racist joke, as you said. maybe it's not. i haven't seen it. i'm not going to comment on the specifics of the joke. but i think that we have to stop getting so offended at every little thing in the united states of america. i'm just so over it. >> claire mccaskill, just on jd vance's reaction there, first of all, it is palpable that members of the puerto rican american

community are extremely upset about this joke. i have not met one person, puerto rican american or from any other area in the country who thought that joke was funny and did not find it to be painful and disturbing. what to you make of jd vance's "i didn't see it and, chill out, guys, take a joke"? >> well, he's learned to lie as easily as trump does. clearly, he's seen it. i mean, you couldn't be in america and even halfway paying attention to the election, and i figure he is, right, he's on the ballot. he lied about that. you know, the thing that's interesting, we talk about the failure of republican leadership to address how trump is and how he's behaved. think about this a moment. the joke is made, and hour

afterwards, the trump campaign says that they distanced themselves. trump never said a word about it. they distanced themselves from the joke. finally, republicans speak out. guess which republicans speak out? those that have a connection to puerto rico. the elected officials in florida that have family in puerto rico or are from puerto rico. remember, a lot of trump supporters don't know this, everyone in puerto rico is american, guys. they are americans. these are not -- these are the ones that stephen miller is referring to, americans. but what about the rest of the republican party? they think it's okay to denigrate puerto ricans like this? you know, where are the leaders? where is mike johnson, the guy that supposedly reads the bible, about the least among us and taking care of your fellow man, loving others like you want to love yourself, and treating others like you want to be treated? where are the leaders of the republican party on this issue

of this awful way that puerto rico was denigrated by the trump campaign on sunday? it's interesting, the only ones who have spoken out have some connection to puerto rico. >> willie, following up on the question about where these so-called evangelical leaders who say they are guided by the bible, you look at the story, the good samaritan. the story of the good samaritan follows jesus being asked, when he says, love your neighbor as yourself. who is my neighbor? jesus talks to an audience, somebody who is considered an enemy, the samaritan. shows how the samaritan helps one who is not -- you know, who is another, who is a despised other. jesus says, that is who your neighbor is. your neighbor is a person you even don't like, who you consider to be your enemy.

that is who you are to help. unfortunately, when mike johnson and other people who claim to be guided by the bible lie for donald trump, brush aside things for donald trump, when jd vance who said no christian should vote for donald trump in 2016, the same year he said he thought he was america's hitler, something like that. you know, i don't know exactly how they deal with the cognitive dissonance of that, saying one thing, and the next day, forgiving racist jokes about puerto ricans, about black people, about all the, quote, others. >> we see it time and again. as you've said many times over the last several years, many evangelicals have been detached from the word of the bible and are seeking power, proximity to it in donald trump. whatever he does, they look the ore way because they view him as the anointed one or the one who

will get them what they want in terms of politics and power. peter baker, as we look at the comments from madison square garden, they knew who they were booking in this comedian. you can go back and see what kind of comic he is, insulting people and everything else. this is the culture. we heard it in jd vance's response, what they're running on in a way. you don't have to apologize for stuff. political correctness is out the door. you can say the things you've been told you're not allowed to say anymore. this is what it'll be like under donald trump. of course, there's the electoral aspect of this. there are nearly half a million puerto rican americans in the state of pennsylvania alone. think about that. in the state that each candidate desperately needs to win, nearly half a million puerto rican americans live there now and have votes. >> yeah, i think you're right. absolutely, willie. the point, i was at madison square garden on sunday. what struck me was this comic obviously was the more extreme

version of what was happening. he was the only one whose comments were disavowed by the trump campaign. there were plenty of other people speaking that day, that evening, who said things that would normally be out of bounds in politics. using all kinds of profanity, insulting palestinians, insulting people transgender, insulting democrats, insulting, you know, chanting "tampon tim" about tim walz. so on and so forth. this is the message. the message is, we are liberated from the shackles of wokedom, of political correctness. tucker carlson basically said that from the stage. he said, donald trump has liberated us from having to tell the lies. by the lies, i think what he means is, you know, we are basically nice to other people. we don't, in fact -- you know, that we are not allowed to denigrate other people on the basis of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, all those

things. you heard it time and time again from speaker after speaker. it was striking. one thing that is really important to remember about puerto rico specifically, there's a history hee. donald trump was president for four years, which we often seem to forget. while he was president, he was the one who actually went to war in some ways with puerto rico after two hurricanes. he was so mad at the mayor of san juan for not showing proper deference, he wanted to pull aid from hurricane victim. he talked about selling puerto rico. he didn't know it was part of the united states. mika, to your point, they are americans. he talked about trading puerto rico for greenland. let's get some of those people from greenland who are not, well, let's say, puerto ricans. all of that is history here when we talk about the trump campaign's point of view when it comes to puerto rico. >> if i could add to your list, the infamous moment when he was throwing paper towels at victims

of a natural disaster, throwing them, chucking them. molly jong-fast, your piece is "this country can break your heart." >> yeah. >> my heart is broken already. let's go. tell us about it. >> i mean, so, you know, this is a country based on a premise, right? america is a country based on the idea that we can come here. my great grandparents came here in the 1800s, and they were offered a shining city on the hill. this is not partisan rhetoric, right? this is the -- these are words of ronald reagan, republicans' favorite president, right? george w. bush. these guys talked about america as a place where you could come if you were in darkness. my relatives were being murdered in odesa, and they came to this country. this is the idea of america. what we see in trumpism is that they no longer want to offer

that america. >> yeah. i wonder what ronald reagan would say today, what george w. bush is thinking today. love to know. >> i think the country would love to know what george w. bush is thinking today. joe, that's an interesting aspect that mika raised. the number of republicans who have spoken out against donald trump's presidency, it is minimal when you look at the parade of characters. but george w. bush, i mean, his voice would really, really mean something in this. i can't believe that he and his family are sitting there, tolerating the idea of voting for donald j. trump. >> you know, i think over the past eight or nine years, they could say in many circumstances, hey, if i came out against donald trump, i'd only make him stronger with the base. that would be true in many

respects. but not today. not when there are so many republicans that do not want to vote for donald trump. if you have somebody they voted for twice coming out and saying, hey, i'm with all of the people in my administration that have come out, all of the people in donald trump's administration and in my father's administration, you know, and in donald trump's administration, i'm for all those people. it really would -- i just don't think endorsements make a big difference. i think this is one endorsement that would make a very big difference in the closing days of the campaign. because the republicans who undervote, the republicans who don't show up, the republicans who decide to switch their vote for kamala or write somebody else in, those undervotes are what beat donald trump in wisconsin and other states in

2020. if george w. bush -- we talk about permission structures all the time -- george w. bush, a guy who was kicked around by the mainstream media a good bit. a guy who, many of these people could relate to, would make a difference in wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. north carolina, georgia, we'll see. i wanted, gene, to ask you, to follow up on what molly was saying about ronald reagan. we talk about reagan's farewell speech all the time. i'm reminded of something peggy noonan wrote in a biography about ronald reagan. it is something i remember general haden saying several years ago. saying after charlottesville, he said, this is not about blood. this is not about blood. we are not bound by blood. we americans are bound by a creed. i remember peggy noonan writing in "when character was king," explaining why reagan believed

what he believed about immigrants. she said, whether you've been here for ten generations or whether you just got here last week, you are part of a story. you are a part of a history. that blood that has been shed on the battlefields across the world for americans' freedom, it has been shed for you. it has been shed for people who have been here for ten generations. we are all part of the same family with the same history. here's the punch line. we are bound by the same creed. that is a creed that donald trump does not understand. that is a creed that stephen miller does not understand. that is a creed that people who talk about exclusion don't understand. that is a creed that silicon

valley certainly understands because america dominates the world in tech because of immigrants and because of people whose parents immigrated here. it changed america. it changed silicon valley. it changed the world. once again, immigration comes in and makes america stronger. >> well, joe, apparently, according to today's republican party, creed over blood was then, and this is now, right? that's not today's republican party. it's not donald trump's republican party. you know, molly said a few minutes ago that ronald reagan was republicans' favorite president. for once, i'm going to disagree with molly. i think he is not right now. i don't think ronald reagan would be considered a republican today. i think he'd be considered a rhino, a squish, or something.

you know, a socialist, who knows? he certainly wouldn't fit into donald trump's republican party. it's just emblematic of how one of our two major political parties has completely been transformed into a kind of mutant version of itself. heaven knows how it gets back to being a center right conservative party that also believes in the america you and i believe in. i don't know how we get back to that, but that's not where the republican party is now. it's certainly not with ronald reagan. >> all right. still ahead on "morning joe," "the washington post"'s decision not to endorse a 2024 presidential candidate. it sparked thousands of cancellations and resignations, as well, at the paper.

"the post's" former executive editor marty baron joins us next with his thoughts. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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"the washington post" this morning being hit with a wave of cancellations to their subscriptions after the paper's own owner, jeff bezos, blocked an endorsement of kamala harris for president. npr is reporting more than 200,000 people have canceled their digital subscriptions as of yesterday afternoon. that's according to two people at the paper with knowledge of internal affairs. the decision not to endorse also has sparked resignations. one editorial board member who stepped down put out a statement writing, our silence is exactly what donald trump wants. bezos, meanwhile, is explaining his decision to block the endorsement. in a piece in the paper titled "the hard truth, americans don't trust the news media." bezos writes, quote, "presidential endorsements do nothing to tip the scales of an election. no undecided voters in pennsylvania are going to say, i'm going with the newspaper's endorsement. none. ending them as a principal decision, and it is the right one." he continues, "i wish we'd made the change earlier than we did.

it was inadequate planning and not a strategy. no quid pro quo of any kind is at work here. one of my companies, blue origin, met with donald trump on the day of our announcement. i sighed when i found out because i knew it'd provide ammunition for those who frame this as anything other than a principled decision. there is no connection between it and our decision on presidential endorsements, and anything otherwise is false." "the los angeles times" also not endorsing a president in the 2024 race. joining us now, former editor of "the washington post," marty baron. you've been outspoken on this. what is your reaction to jeff bezos' piece this morning? >> well, i'm glad he spoke out. i'm glad he said what he felt he needed to say, provide some explanation for his reasoning. it is clear he was involved in the decision despite the company's statement suggesting

that he wasn't. that aside. i mean, look, "the washington post" has been issuing endorsements for almost a half century, since 1976. what caused them to start doing endorsements? in 1976, it was watergate. there was a president who was abusing power, who was weaponizing government. that's an issue that exists today. it is certainly relevant during this presidential election. they only had one exception. in 1988. under jeff bezos' leadership, they provided endorsements in 2016 and 2020. highly critical of donald trump during both of those presidential endorsements. this is not a way to inspire trust, to cancel an endorsement a couple of weeks before one of the most consequential elections in the u.s. history. it erodes trust. it is evident, it destroys trust. >> marty, you have been a great stewart for this newspaper, "the

washington post," and for others during your career. i'm curious what you make of bezos' thesis here, though, which is that newspapers and the immedi media lost the trust of people. ranks below congress in terms of trust. and being nonpartisan is an important way to get back the trust, which is to say, not to take sides and alienate half the country. what do you make of that argument? >> well, trust in the media is a complicated subject. it deserves a lot of serious discussion and research. there has been a lot of research. there's nothing that really suggests that not running a presidential endorsement actually increases trust. there are a lot of complicated factors here. it's something that clearly every news organization should be working on. it's a totally reasonable decision at some point if you say, we don't want to run presidential endorsements. we don't want to run political endorsements of any type. but you don't do that two weeks before the election. what they could have done here

is simply issue an endorsement in this election, and they had a draft endorsing kamala harris. then they could have waited until after the election and said, we just don't intend to do this anymore. we don't think it is the right thing. you also, you know, "the post" is also issuing other endorsements. at the same time, it is writing editorials on highly charged political subjects. it's not said that it intends to stop doing that. why single out a presidential endorsement in the final weeks of an election? >> marty, great to have you on. i think it's -- to put aside one fact, eroding trust is part of a decent into fascism. that's part of the playbook. i'm just saying that. and you pointed out that this move by bezos and "the washington post" is definitely not a way to inspire trust.

the editorial was written. they'd made a decision. this is unbelievably terrible timing if you're going to give jeff bezos the benefit of the doubt, which i am personally not. wouldn't this be the election where you want to know what the editorial said? secondly, can you talk about how bezos' statement conflicts with that of "the washington post"? that would then be another thing that erodes trust, leads me to believe that trump is getting exactly what he wants. because part of his playbook is to put out a firehose of falsehoods and to erode trust in our core values and in the media. >> yeah, well, the last few days, they put out a couple statements trying to leave the impression that jeff bezos was not involved in this decision. they put out a statement saying that he was not sent, did not read, and did not opine on a

draft editorial. that was so narrowly written and carefully written, suggesting he wasn't involved. clearly, he was involved. they also put out a statement saying it was a "washington post" decision, which is also another carefully written statement. by the way, he is 100% owner of "the washington post." so using the term "washington post" decision is not very meaningful. well, it's clear he was involved in that decision. they should not have put out statements that were misleading in nature. it is very unfortunate they did that. so that does not help inspire confidence and trust, certainly not in the leadership of "the post." >> gene, you were one of the leading voices at "the washington post." you worked under marty for some time. what is your take on all of this, and what is the mood inside that newsroom? >> well, willie, i never actually worked under marty. i worked alongside marty. i'm on the opinion side. marty was on the news side. that's church and state. marty and i are good friends.

what a great editor he has been. look, i was one of a number of "washington post" columnists who, on friday, wrote and posted on our website, a statement, strongly disagreeing with the decision not to endorse and explaining why, a grief statement. to our credit at "the washington post," we air all our fights and dirty laundry in public, and so it was posted right there on our opinions rail on our home page. i think something like 20 or 21 "post" columnists have signed onto that statement. we've had columnists write individual columns, saying this was wrong. i think what has really -- what gets us, again, is the timing.

it is an argument you could make, why should newspapers endorse presidential candidates? that was an argument, a discussion to have a year ago, six months ago even. but to have just a final decision 11 days before what we have written is one of the most crucial elections in american history is just simply -- we don't understand that. i have a question for you, marty. which is, you worked with jeff. jeff has owned the paper for, i think, 11 years now. he has invested tons and tons of money in "the post." in many ways, has been a supportive owner and supportive of the role of the press and the role of journalism, at least from my point of view.

this just seems -- one reason we're so in shock is that this is a surprise to us. is it a surprise to you? >> well, i'm not surprised by much these days, unfortunately. but it's out of character with what i saw when i was executive editor for "the post." thanks for clarifying that we have a separation between the news departments and the opinion department. so, you know, in all of my experience there, he's supported us. he allowed us to do our work as we saw fit. he allowed investigative reporting on donald trump, never interfered, despite pressure by donald trump against him and his companies. i really respected that. i was incredibly grateful for that. i remain incredibly grateful for that. and, you know, something has changed here. i'm not sure that he's adequately explained that. clearly, there's a real prospect

that donald trump could end up in the white house again. he has threatened to exact vengeance on his perceived political enemies. he's always perceived bezos to be a political enemy, entirely because of the coverage of "the washington post," which trump detests. so, you know, you have to be feeling some pressure there. he talked in his note to readers about "the post" being a complex complexifier for him. he has other commercial interests. i can't say for sure that was a factor in this decision. but had this been a decision, you know, as you said, if this had been made a year ago, two years ago, maybe six months ago, this would have been perceived differently. why not? why in this way? why after a draft was written? this doesn't make sense. it does not inspire confidence. it always erodes it. as we can see from the

cancellations, which are unfortunate and i do not think people should do, i think that it doesn't just erode it, it destroys confidence. >> marty, before you retired as executive editor, and i might add, editorially speaking, you were far too young and too effective to retire, but if you were still the executive editor of "the post," which has taken a huge reputational hit over this, what would you say walking into the newsroom this morning to the staff that remains there? >> yes, i would say that, notwithstanding this decision regarding the editorial, we are going to continue doing our work the way that we have done it to date. that means that we are going to vigorously hold power to account, powerful individuals, powerful institutions. the most powerful individual in the entire world is the president of the united states. people who aspire to be president of the united states should expect strict scrutiny, consistent scrutiny. we intend to continue doing

that. there will be no interference in our work. >> former executive editor of "washington post," marty baron, thank you very much for being on this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," harris campaign chair jen o'malley dillon is standing by with a preview of the vice president's speech tonight at the capitol ellipse. "morning joe" will be right back. know about love? how to translate that leap inside the human heart into something we can see and hold. the fingerprints we leave behind show how determined we are to give the world a piece of ourselves. etsy. ♪♪ innovation in health care means nothing

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vice president kamala harris will give her closing argument later today during a high-profile speech at the ellipse in washington, d.c. as many as 20,000 people are expected to attend. the speech will take place in the same spot former president donald trump rallied supporters on january 6th, 2021, before inciting a violent mob that attacked the capitol. the insurrection. joining us now, chair of the harris campaign, jen o'malley dillon. jen, great to have you on. if you could share with us the central arguments the vice president plans to make, and speak more on the symbolism of the location of this speech. >> thanks, mika. great to be here with you. you're going to hear from the vice president the choice before the american people. she's going to lay out a hopeful, optimistic vision for the future in a way we can all

turn the page from, the chaos and division of donald trump. she's really focused on her to-do list, how she's going to deliver for the american people. on the issues they really care about. as she's traveled the country, she knows costs are too high. people want to afford a home. they want to start a small business. she obviously understands the importance of fighting for everyone's freedom, especially reproductive freedom. i think you're going to hear from her a very strong, new way forward which she's been laying out across the country. how she represents a new generation of leadership. also, how the american people deserve a leader who is focused on them. this isn't even about kamala harris versus donald trump. it's about the american people. i think the backdrop of the white house, being at the ellipse today, the last time a lot of the american people saw that was on january 6th. there is so much more we can do together. so much more hopeful future we can have. one of the things that is the hallmark of the events that the

vice president has all across the country is people coming together and having fun. they're singing and dancing. it really is a joyful experience and an optimistic, hopeful gathering of people in their communities. we think that we can bring people together, talk about the future, and really turn the page on donald trump. >> stark contrast, of course, from what we saw there nearly four years ago. jen, good morning. we're one week from election day. as you know, hearing from friends and family members and maybe even inside your own campaign, democrats are gnashing their teeth. they're panicking. oh, my gosh, donald trump is going to be president again. what can you say to the extent you're able to share internally about the state of this race right now with seven days to go? there's a ton of early vote in, we know that. where should people focus? what should supporters of kamala harris be feeling right now? >> well, we feel very good about where we are. as you say, we're one week out. we're closing this election

strong. it is okay to be anxious and nervous because you understand what the stakes are. we understand that, too. but as you look at the race, we know that this is a margin of error race. it's been very stable and very close for the entire fall. we are on track to win this very close race. you know, at this time in a campaign, sometimes you're looking at the map and the pathway to 270 electoral votes, which we're obviously very focused on. maybe you say, oh, this state isn't in play, or that state isn't in play. every one of our seven battleground states are that close. they're all in play. we feel very good about what we're seeing in early vote. that is, you know, are voters turning out to vote? people that are lower propensity voters, they don't always vote, we're seeing on our side, supporters for the vice president turning out in higher numbers. exactly as we'd like to see to win a close race. i'd also add, we know there are still people undecided in this country. you know, there's about probably 3% to 5% in each battleground

state of people that are still making up their mind. from our own research, those undecided voters are more open to supporting the vice president. that's why the speech today is important. it is so important we continue to tell the story and the choice in front of the american people as we close this out. hopefully we are the last people they hear before they go vote. whether it's from the vice president's speech or our amazing organization across the country. >> jen, it's been striking how much of a focus there has been of late from the vice president. also some key surrogates like liz cheney talking to republicans. republicans who might have voted for donald trump once or twice before but looking now to cross the aisle, creating the permission structure for them to do so. tell us about those efforts. in particular, the focus on republican women who might be quietly waiting to vote on abortion rights. >> well, i think, fundamentally, the vice president is going to be a president for all

americans. you hear her talk about this in her career. she's never asking, are you a democrat or republican before she's going to do something to help you. we know in this country, the american people want a broad coalition of support. they want leaders focused on getting the job done. so we are proud of the support that we've built. it's also very important for people to hear and understand, not just the stakes of the election, but what we are all focused on. you talk about reproductive freedom, of course. you know, the vice president was in houston on this past friday, which was such an extraordinary event. what was so powerful, beyond the wonderful support and beyonce and willie nelson and the vice president, her speech, was real people. real women and men talking about the harm that has happened to them since roe v. wade. these courageous, brave women have been traveling across the country, talking about what the real world impacts are. this isn't about policy. it's about people's lives.

as the vice president has traveled, whether she's stood with liz cheney or other republicans, they have, many of them, worked for donald trump. they are the ones that have seen him up close. that's why their voice is so powerful here as we communicate in these final days. >> another part of the population that has seen up close what trump's impact on them is, is women. i have a roundtable of women suffering hideous, dreadful, medical emergencies because of trump's abortion bans. i've been showing them on the air over the past week. at one point, we had five men around the table, just so around the table, just so happened. happened, and all of them flinched, two of them cried watching these videos. i know the campaign brings in a lot of data and i'm wondering if you think this could be a defining issue not just for women, but for women and men in this election.

>> oh, absolutely. i think this is so much bigger than just a women's issue. it's for all of us. and we spend a lot of time making clear that a second term for donald trump will be worse, but we don't have to imagine that because it's already become worse. the impacts of him overturning roe v. wade with his supreme court justices has made people's lives more difficult, has taken away their choices and their ability to get the health care that they need. there is the famous quote that we often use ourselves in the campaign where donald trump says that women should be punished. well, that isn't an idea. that is actually happening and the punishment is in preventing care for women, people like amanda thurman, whose family has been so strong in communicating. you heard from andrea in texas or amanned and josh tell their stories and being so sick before

they could be taken care of because hospitals and physicians are afraid of being incriminated for that. those things are happening in so much of this country and with donald trump it's going to happen to all of us. so we feel that this race, these final seven days people are still making up their minds. women and men all across the country, we know we can turn the page on this division and chaos and pain that donald trump cause. we are focused on today and so optimistic about the final stretch here. >> we will be watching that speech tonight in washington. harris campaign chair jen o'malley dillon, one week from election day. thank you so much. >> wow. >> thank you. >> so, peter baker, it is one week out. here we are. hard to believe. it's been such a long road towards election day. this speech tonight offers a stark contrast, which is here we are with seven days until you go into that box and cast your vote, and here i am in a joyful

rally with 20,000 people talking about the future of the country in the very spot where donald trump nearly four years ago stood and provided the pretext for what happened that day at the capitol. >> yeah, i think it provides, obviously, contrast that speaks for itself. she doesn't have to dwell on that because we all know where she will be speaking and the history there. it is interesting in the final part of her campaign she has gotten back to a stronger contrast with donald trump on the issue of democracy, on the issue of the constitution, on january 6th. you know, she has sort of pushed that aside a little bit when she first came into the contest. that was prescribe's focus. it was hessler focus. she was more of the voifl warrior. they recognize this the final days if you are going to find a way to motivate those few uncommitted people who may not be ready to vote for her yet, to

come out, you have to remind them why they didn't like donald trump four years ago and why they shouldn't vote for him this time. one way is by reminding them of that horrible day nearly four years ago. >> all right. and molly, final thoughts looking ahead to today at vice president kamala harris's closing argument? >> what's interesting is you will remember that joe biden did actually do something very similar to this in philadelphia around the midterms and he got a lot of flak and people said no one cares. in fact, it was a major voting issue. voters like american democracy. they don't want to lose it. and when you remind them about what happened about all of those people, some of whom still sit in jail, who tried to deny the certification, the votes take, you know, taking votes from the american people, i think that's really meaningful and i think it's a really important contrast. >> one interesting joet jen talked about reaching every

voter. donald trump did the joe rogan interview, as of this morning, 37 million interviews. joe rogan posted a a statement, the invitation is open. he said he wanted to clarify the harris campaign has not passed on this. they are engaged, working out a schedule potentially for they are her to do one hour. i think they are negotiating a location. he wants do it at the studio in austin. they asked to do it where she is. we will see if that happens. >> interesting. all right. still ahead, the continued fallout from donald trump's rally at madison square garden. we'll play for you the responses from vice president kamala harris and former president barack obama. and ruben gallego, as his senate campaign hits the closing stretch. "morning joe's" coming right back. joe's" coming right back

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"morning joe," we will bring you my roundtable with women who have endured nothing less than physical and emotional trauma along with their families at the hands of trump's abortion bans. also in that discussion with journalists cindy levy who explained why the issue impacts men as well. >> this is not just a, quote, unquote, women's issue, which is how we have always thought of abortion. obviously, it affects women intimately. we have a new story out today involving a young couple in alabama. she was diagnosed with a partial molar pregnancy, incredibly serious and dangerous diagnosis. her fetus had a fatal chromosomal abnormality. she was not offered care and her husband in the video is so, you know, just devastated at the lack of regard given to his wife. i mean, he could have lost his

wife because she couldn't get simple health care. he didn't understand and no one should understand why is this treated like a political issue. it's really important for men to speak up about this because it will affect them. it's not just, you know, they should stand up for our rights. this affects their families. it affects their, you know, their mothers, their children, their partners. and, you know, i think that's something we have really seen as an increasing team theme. >> the entire conversation ahead in the next hour. we are back in two minutes. in ts l listing agent. (agent) i'm getting great exposure. (marci) speaking of exposure, could we get him a hat? (luke) ooo, what about a beret? (vo) homes-dot-com. we've done your home work.

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world war ii because we have people in the white house that world war iii -- thank you. thank you. thank you. i had world war ii -- i had world war ii -- i had world war

ii veterans. the veteran. thank you very much. >> all right. a little bit of confused there, donald trump needing help from his own audience in atlanta yesterday once again forgetting the u.s. already fought world war ii. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." >> hold on. hold on now. in his defense, in his defense, nobody really wrote about that war. that's kind of like when you talk about the french indian war. willie, it's not as if that historical event is the most written about and read about event of the 20th century, and it's not, you know, i mean, so ids easy for him to forget it. it happened two, three times, just like he accidentally called joe biden barack. you know, barack obama's in the white house. it happens. >> we know he is not a reader. that's okay. but there have been some movies

about world war ii, about that day on -- >> really? >> yeah, yeah. on june 6, 1944 -- >> what are they? i want to see some of these. >> i think what year was that? '98, something like that? '99. also, you watch a series called "band of brothers." >> band -- >> and we've said, this is not the first time he has made this mistake having to be reminded, as mika said, by his own audience it's not world war ii. these are small problems in the context of what we have seen recently from donald trump. something not quite there. synapses not firing. >> i mean, it's -- >> lost a couple of -- well, maybe 20 miles off his fastball, mika. but we'll see. we'll see what happens. i mean, i have got to say, i am really -- i am struck by the fact that the october surprise this year thus far has been donald trump, and the mistakes

that the campaign has made. the madison square garden mistake with a guy that trashes puerto rico and nobody can act shocked about it. donald trump, willie, stayed on stage and talked for a couple of hours, i guess. never once said, oh, we don't like that joke and how dare he bring that up tonight. the reason why is because there are three nbc producers that saw him the night before his routine, knowing he was going to be on that night -- >> workshop. >> he did the same puerto rican joke. that's part of his act. and he told people, i am going to say this tomorrow night, and the trump people knew it. >> yes. >> and they had him on, and it took them three hours. and the crazy thing is there were fights inside the trump campaign on whether they should correct it or not, and j.d. vance yesterday doing only what

j.d. vance can do, make a bad situation worse for your campaign, goes, i don't know what the big deal is. so, americans, puerto rican americans, j.d. vance doesn't know what the big deal is with the joke and there was a fight on the campaign about them apologizing for a joke that donald trump refused to apologize for while he was on stage. >> j.d. vance said said he is tired of people being offended by everything, told people to get over it. initially said, i haven't heard the joke. i heard the joke. but this -- >> yeah, whatever. >> this was a joke early in that rally at madison square garden that has taken hold among democrats in the campaign. we heard it amplified by the harris campaign because there are so many puerto rican americans across the country, but especially in states like pennsylvania that she needs to win. >> and if i could finish that sentence, so many puerto rican americans who were deeply, deeply hurt by it. and they were -- they are still talking about it.

we are still talking about it because people were so hurt. so denigrated. and yet, this is how j.d. vance responded to it. >> i haven't seen the joke. you know, maybe it's a stupid racist joke as you said. maybe it's not. i haven't seen it. i am not commenting on the specifics of the joke. we have to stop getting so offended at he every little thing in the united states of america. i am so over it. >> okay. so, that's j.d. vance's way of dealing with what was, i think, very damaging to the campaign perhaps, joe. >> well, he has seen the joke. he is not telling the truth. >> we know that. >> everybody was sending the joke -- and this is what they do. they go, oh, i don't know. it's like when he was spreading a lie about his own constituents in springfield. it was, wait, i don't know. people are just saying, this is

again how they spread lies, how they spread insults, how they spread hate, and then they deny it. but, mike, again i want to -- i understand they don't care about puerto ricans and how puerto ricans feel, how americans feel of puerto rican descent. how people in springfield feel even when republicans, governors are saying please stop, you can making things worse here. a republican mayor in aurora, colorado, please stop lying about venezuelan gangs. it's just not the case. here, though, let's just -- again, i just -- it's hoard for us to put ourselves in the position of a parent with children who are americans who are puerto ricans and having to explain to the children when they go to school why some people may be making fun of them and calling them garbage.

and then understanding it was because donald trump's rally and because nobody spoke out strongly against it at the rally. so, that's what they are going to school with, and maybe that doesn't matter to j.d. vance, but it would matter to j.d. vance if it were his children that were being abused at school. >> right. >> you know, it's another indictment of the way the campaign is being run. not by the people who run the campaign, but the people who symbolize the campaign. donald trump and j.d. vance. and on this one the idea that they have taken something that was on a prompter that was vetted prior to delivery, that one really skur laos, obscene slur to describe the vice president of the united states also running for president was extracted from the content of the supposed comedian's act

was -- it's incredible to disbelieve how bad this thing was. and, mika, you just had, and i indicated you should take a look at it, the front page of the "new york times" today back to springfield, ohio, a story about the parents of aidan clark. an 11-year-old child who died in a school bus accident when his school bus was hit by a haitian immigrant who was here legally and both donald trump and j.d. vance have decided to call it a murder, and they call this young boy's life and death a murder, and the torture that his parents have endured and been put through since the incident occurred several months ago is horrendous. it has changed and altered and damaged the lives of the living. >> this is them sitting with their little boy's blanket, joe. >> and hold that up, mika.

i can't imagine the pain those parents are going through, and then to watch their son, their child used as a political prop to be lied about, making the pain worse. and hold that -- keep that up because this is not personal to me, but this is personal to people i know. when donald trump decided to attack me because he didn't like my covid coverage, and he lied about a woman who worked in my office, claimed that we were involved and that i had her killed, and her husband, the widowed husband begged him to stop lying because of the excruciating pain that it put her parents through and put him through. the fact that he had not been able to move on for 20 years.

25 years because the lies that were -- they could not -- they could not find rest or peace. and donald trump didn't care. he just kept doing it because he didn't care. >> right. >> what the family thought, he didn't care what the husband thought. he didn't care what the people whose grief he was only making worse. and here we have in ohio, mika, we have a family enduring that pain because their son is being lied about for political purposes, and they have been put on notice. the father spoke before the city council. i believe a month or two ago, saying please stop lying about my son. you know nothing about him. and if you did, you would know this is the opposite of what he would be saying right now based

on the wonderful short life that he lived. but they don't care. i cannot -- i cannot imagine these men -- >> no. >> i cannot imagine people that, when parents are begging them, please stop lying about our dead children, please stop. let us bury them in peace and move on. they won't do it, mika. they are without shame. >> i know. >> they are -- they know better. >> i know. and the pain -- >> and they continue to exploit the death of a young child in springfield and others, and lie about it because they want to gain power. this is stark. and if you think this is normal, well, you haven't been around politics long enough because i can tell you if it happened while i was in congress, if it

happened while claire was in the senate and somebody did this, they would be excommunicated. nobody would talk to them. they would be scorned. their leadership would say, you apologize to the parents, you take back the lie, or you will be stripped of your committees tomorrow. you straighten up. but there are no guardrails, mika. no guardrails on the truth. no guardrails on decency. no guardrails on the very things that keep us bound together, even in the most difficult of political times. and let me say, that happens. tip o'neill and ronald reagan could not stand each other's political philosophies fees, but they worked together. bill clinton and newt gingrich could not stand each other's political philosophies and it got ugly. they still worked together for the betterment of america p but balancing the budget four years in a row for the first time in a

century, here, no guardrails. no tie has bind. no decency. and i think decency is on the ballot as much as democracy. >> coming up, my conversation with some of the women affected by donald trump's abortion bans. we got together here in new york city for a powerful and extremely painful roundtable discussion. we'll bring it to you straight ahead on "morning joe." rning jo. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection site pain, fatigue, muscle pain, headache and joint pain. arexvy is number one in rsv vaccine shots. rsv? make it arexvy.

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to the men who love us, let me just try to paint a picture of what it will feel like if america, the wealthiest nation on earth, keeps revoking basic care from its women and how it will affect every single woman in your life. your girlfriend so be the one in legal jeopardy if she needs a pill from out of state or overseas or if she has to travel across state lines because the local clinic closed up. your wife or mother could be the ones at higher risk of dying from undiagnosed cervical cancer because they have no access to regular gynecological care. your daughter could be the one too terrified to call the doctor if she is bleeding during an unexpected pregnancy. your niece could be the one miss carrying in her bathtub after

the hospital turned her away. so i am asking y'all from the core of my being to take our lives seriously, please. do not -- [ cheers and applause ] do not put our lives in the hands of politicians, mostly men, who have no clue or do not care about what we, as women, are going through. >> that was former first lady michelle obama speaking in kalamazoo, michigan, over the weekend spelling out what's at stake in this election, including what is happening to women right now because of donald trump. women like deborah of florida who had to carry out a hopeless, high-risk pregnancy to term all because she was living under

restrictive abortion wans as a result of donald trump. >> i found out i was pregnant. i went and had my anatomy ultrasound done. the doctor diagnosed the baby with potter syndrome. babies only live a few minutes to a few hours. i could not get pre-term induced due to the law. i am having to carry him to full term. and remember, my o.b. handing me baby boy that was blue and cold, gasping for air for 94 minutes. and i just held him. >> deb a and many others are coming forward their stories because this election is a matter of life or death. it already was a matter of life or death for caitlin and many others. caitlin was 11 weeks pregnant when she felt cramping and

started bleeding, signs of a miscarriage. she was bleeding so much her husband feared for her life, but at her darkest moment caitlin was turned away from not one, but two emergency rooms at the first e.r. she says the staff told her they would pray for her. the reason doctors used the same drug to treatment miscarriages as they do abortion leaving some to fear they could face criminal charges under the state's strict abortion laws. and let's not forget about amanda. amanda of texas who almost died after being denied an abortion at 18 weeks, even though they are pregnancy was no longer viable after her condition deteriorated, doctors eventually performed an emergency abortion. however, amanda developed sepsis and spent three days in the icu fight going for her life. she survived, but is now unable

to have children ever again. deborah, caitlin and amanda join me now at this important crossroads. just days before the election, to tell their stories and talk about what's at stake. also with us cecile richards, former president of planned parenthood and an activist. and cindy levy, ceo of the meteor, a publication chronicling all the stories of women affected by the overturning of roe, and there are many. deborah, i want you to try to speak to some of the details. i know these will be hard conversations, but we are all trying to get a message across about the dangers at stake here. can you tell me about the three months where you had to carry the baby milo to term, but you knew that about potter syndrome. can you tell me specifically what it was like for your body and mind to go through this?

>> i fell into deep depression and was starting to have suicidal indication. i endured physical pain that was worse than labor itself. and i fell into a deep, dark place both physically and mentally trying to understand, like, prepare myself for delivery, because i metlife and death all in the same day. >> and then beyond your own body and mind and the hell that you were going through, your family and your community, carrying this baby and people are asking you when you are due. your husband and little cayden. can you describe what they went through? >> i mean, for cayden, i mean, now i'm trying to get comfortable with the uncomfortable and allowing that space for him to share his grief.

he is asking questions, what is an angel? where did his brother go? what is heaven? does he have toys? and questions, i'm telling him, i don't know. what do you think? because he lost his brother, and that's all he knows. he hasn't grieved about what happened to us. >> your warning for women at this time? >> that i am speaking out to share my son's -- and hopes to bring change so no one has to go through what i went through. it is a hard journey to be on, to have met life and death in the same day all due to politicians and government interfering with my health care decision make. >> caitlin, you are a christian. one of your values, obviously, a

based on prayer and a lot of other things. but i say that because when you went to the e.r. for help, you were bleeding out. and you were offered prayers. what were you thinking in that moment when what you needed was the health care that is available to you? >> yes. and as you alluded to, i am a christian woman. i am a woman of faith. and in that moment i did not want or need prayers. i needed access to abortion care. and while i understand any woman or physician that may have been offering up prayers, women's lives are at stake in this moment. they were in 2022 when i was experiencing my miscarriage. the last thing i needed in that moment was someone offering up their thoughts and prayers. that's why committed to saying you don't have to dessert your faith, it's something that no one should have to navigate in a health care crisis as a result of someone just offering

prayers. >> these conversations are extremely difficult but i have to ask you a question. i don't know how to ask you this, but i think it's important. was the issue whether you were bleeding enough and how much were you bleeding? >> i was certainly going through quite a few pads. that's the best way to measure it or physicians ask you when you are miscarrying, they say how many pads have you gone through? i think within the first hour of being at that first physician's office i had gone through five or six. so i don't think for my situation it was a matter of how much i was breeding. i think it was a physician trying to interpret the law in louisiana understanding this abortion ban that came our down after the dobbs and no one was comfortable in treating meet. i kept coming up against the ability to access the action and instead physicians trying to

completely avert the situation in the conversation or even confirming whether or not i was miscarrying. >> so they are talking about whether they are allowed to do what they needed to be doing for you in that moment, give you the care that you needed? >> yeah. >> amanda, you have shared your story. you are trying to share it as much as you can. i can't think of the words. i mean, to be going through what you went through, to finally get the health care you needed, but because it was so far down the line up ended up having more consequences to these bans. can you tell us about that and what you are thinking hearing deborah and caitlin speak out right now? >> first, i want to say to deborah and caitlin how much i admire them and how proud of them i am for their bravery because you are right. these conversations are not

easy. they will never get easier. we have suffered enormous amounts of grief, trauma, loss. those things stay with you forever. there are folks across the country telling their stories. i am proud of every single one of them. we are doing it because we have to. we have to protect people. we have to stop this suffering that's going on in our country. you mentioned the repercussions for me and the now lifelong consequences that i face, which is the permanent compromising of my reproductive organs and inability to carry a child again. so when folks tell me that they are pro-life, i don't know how you can listen to my story, to katlyn's story, to deborah's story and say there is anything pro-life this any of that. >> to those who say this is not going to happen to my daughter, these are unique situations that they are highlighting that are not necessarily mainstream. you say what to that? >> these are people not paying

attention because these stories are everywhere. the three of us represent hundreds if not thousands of people who have had very similar experiences and all you have to do is a tiny bit of research and you are going to find so many stories because this is a real crisis in our country. and every day that we allow it to continue, more and more people are suffering. >> obviously, abortion health care is not for people with reproductive emergencies. it could be women with other types of medical emergencies now and it's not available to them in certain states because of these bans. cecile, you were head of planned parenthood for 12 years. you have been fighting for women's rights as long as you have had a voice. mom was ann richards. and yet, right now, since we are all having hard conversations, you are dealing with brain cancer. >> right. >> and yet you are still on the front lines. why? >> proud to be. it's so important because i know

we are in the middle of an election, but these problems are not going away, win, lose, or draw. and the stories that these women have told, we have dozens, if not hundreds, more. and these are not political stories. these are stories of women and families and daughters and granddaughters. the risk and the struggle to get health care in, like, almost half the states in america, and that's a long-term fight. >> the long-term fight that, just to look at the stakes, the day that you got your brain cancer diagnosis, you also had a grandchild? >> yes. >> and that's the next generation. what does it look like right now on the eve of the election,

we're days out, is the future bright or is it dark for women's health care and for our lives in situations like this? >> it's going to be a long fight. and i knew this a couple of years ago. even before, well, even before the dobbs decision, when i talked to doctors, gynecologists who told me, i can't treat my patients in texas because of these laws that have nothing to do with health care, have nothing to do with science, they were telling doctors, like, you can't treat your patients. and that's what we have to change. get the politicians out of the doctors' office. >> for our daughters. >> right. exactly. >> this is the future for our daughters, too.

cindy, thank you also for coming. and you have been fighting as well on the front lines of women's health care. and you have also been major part of compiling all of these sfooez for the media. what are you finding, because i have looked through a lot of the reports that you are bringing to the forefront, and they are gut-wrenching, and they involve women who are suffering, who are being tortured because they don't have access to health care, but also men who love them deeply traumatized. >> i think one thing that we hear, and i will say you also notice it in the incredible new oral history project that session seal and caitlin are putting together, abortion in america, this is not just a, quote, unquote, women's issue, which is how we always have thought of abortion. obviously, it affects women intimately. a new story today involves a young couple in alabama. she was diagnosed with a partial molar pregnancy, an incredibly

serious and dangerous diagnosis. her fetus also had a fatal chromosomal abnormality. and she was not offered care, and her husband in the video is so, you know, just devastated at the lack of regard given to his wife. i mean, he could have lost his wife because she couldn't get simple health care. he didn't understand and no one should understand why is this treated like a political issue. so i think it's really important for men to speak up about this because it will affect them. it's not just, you know, they should stand up for our rights. this affects their families. it affects their mothers, their children, their partners. and i think that's something that we really have seen as an increasing theme in the stories. >> can you speak to young people? i think a lot of this election is about the future and if america has one. not exaggerating, not hyperbole,

but young people might, you know, not want to wait in line or sit this election out because they are so overwhelmed by it. >> i think young people are pretty energized now. i am drawing some of my enthusiasm from what i'm seeing among young people. for someone who may not remember a presidency before trump, it's very understandable that there can be, you know, a real sense of cynicism. and i think we have to say that, you know, this is not necessarily about being inspired by politicians. this is about being inspired by our own power as voters and our own ability to remake the future so it is fair for everybody. >> i want to close on the three of you, sort of one, two, three. deb, caitlin and amanda, the three of you went through unspeakable traumas, and you could curl up, close in, run

away from reality and nobody would blame you. so, who are you fighting for today and why are you here and why are you speaking out? deborah. >> i'm speaking out to share my son's legacy. to help bring a change so no one has to go through what i went through. it is a hard journey, and that is why i am speaking out, because we deserve health care rights. >> caitlin. >> i would be remiss if i didn't mention in the states where there are abortion bans the same states have alarming health statistics. as a woman of color, i have to say that i am speaking out for all of the women of color that look like me that don't necessarily want to be on the front lines and share their stories and why should they have to and that's why i am here to amplify their voices and connect the dots, understand this could be you in all 50 states if we don't do what we need do on

november 5. >> amanda? >> i am speaking out for every person in the country. whether you agree with what i'm doing, i wouldn't wish what i went through on my worst enemy. you are not going to care when it's your mother, sister, wife, aunt. and for everyone in the country, we need to stop the suffering that's going on. >> deborah, caitlin, amanda, cecile, cindy, thank you very much for coming together at this critical time. thank you. al time. thank you. >> my name is amy doris, in 1997 i attended the u.s. open. i went into the bathroom. when i came out, trump was stand there. he was waiting for me. he kind of grabbed me and tried to kiss me. he was touching me all over my body. i pushed him away. i could not move. he shoved his tongue in my mouth, started kissing me. it was so forceful.

it was not pleasant. it was not welcomed. it was not consensual. i used my teeth to push his tongue out of my mouth. it was violating and it was traumatic. i thought it was my foul. seeing the "access hollywood" video made me traelz that donald trump is a serial sexual predator. says he is going to protect women. he harms women. he has no respect for women. it is a danger to our society to put this man back in the white house. it's like when will this stop? it's like when will this stop?

♪♪ >> we have been talking about the trump rally calling puerto ricans garbage and how insulting that has been. there were so many insults we haven't even gotten to the part where the speaker saw a black

man in the audience and made a watermelon joke. and that's -- usually that would stop the rally. people would say you need to get off the stage, they would apologize a hundred times over. just don't. they just don't. then they pretend they didn't hear the joke when you know they did. >> yeah, don't they? and, you know, they get selectively deaf. and they didn't hear what was said for six hours at that rally. it was -- what an amazing and frightening and awful spectacle that was. of course, the comic was terrible. but as claire said, the whole thing, the vice president of the united states was called the anti-christ. another speaker said that democrats needed to be slaughtered. i mean, it was absolutely beyond

the pale, yet that's where we are now. and so it is not only justified, but necessary. and inevitable to compare that rally to the nazi rally held there before world war ii, and that should never be appropriate or necessary in american politics, and yet it is. it is. this is where donald trump and the maga movement have brought us. they have brought us to this terrible place where -- and now are seeking license to take us even further into this dark realm for four more years. it's frightening. it should be frightening to anyone who loves this country and the essence and idea of this country.

>> and that rally comes a week or so out from the election and there are implications right now. democrats trying to take advantage of what was said at msg. we heard from vice president harris, we heard from former president obama. democrats temg me yesterday that remarks electrified puerto ricans across the country, including many who live in battleground states, namely, pennsylvania, groups that by the democrats' own admission had been less engaged with the harris campaign and now are there. they are motivated to turn out and vote. we know the trump teamed tried to court some of the latino vote on sunday, didn't help. there is the tactical politics of the next week, but the statement of who we are. and a statement of the next four years of donald trump's presidency look like were he to win. that was a hate rally to create

the other. he is creating the other. he is saying, people who don't look like him are the other. people who don't think like him are the other. people perhaps who immigrated from other countries are the other. certainly, democrats are the other, and taken in tandem with the threats to -- and the department of justice to go after his political opponents paint a scary vision for the next pure years. >> coming up, ruben gallego is running against kari lake for the u.s. senate in arizona. the very latest from his battleground state straight ahead on "morning joe." i hear that music and my feet just start tapping. my grandchildren, they're sixth generation of dancers. it's what my family is all about. i thought i knew a lot about our irish roots.

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coming up, how mitch mcconnell mastered the senate you, changed america and lost his party.

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president trump is still liable for everything he did while he was in office as an ordinary citizen. unless the statute of limitations is run, still liable for everything he did while he was in office. didn't get away with anything yet. yet. >> that was republican senator mitch mcconnell explaining his decision to acquit donald trump in his second impeachment trial following trump's efforts to overtime the 2020 election. those remarks from nearly four years ago are a stark departure from the tone the senate minority leader takes with trump today. he has said he is voting for him again. joining us deputy washington

bureau chief for the associated press michael tackett. great to see you. you're a former editor of mine at the a.p. it is a terrific book. you had unprecedented access to mcconnell and his family's personal papers and archives and the like. so many people view mcconnell as a cynical political operator, and we'll get to that in a minute. tell us how polio shaped his life. >> he's 2 years old living in five points. his father is in world war ii. his mother had to do manual exercises with him four times a

day, 45 minutes at a time. here's the thing, they told her don't let him walk. he's 2 years old, but they told her don't let him walk, because that will hurt his recovery. he has two years of almost total isolation in a bedroom. then he turns out of the traits of being hyper competitive. >> he, once arriving in washington, really grew so powerful and so adept in wielding power. walk us through some of that evolution and how he enforced his vision and his rule on his party once he became leader. >> first of all, he was not an overnight success. he arrives in the a senate in 1985 with a lot of big names but he does a slow steady climb. he sees every little step he has to take to get power. then finally he does get it, and he uses it in two very different

ways. one, to stop things from happening when they're in the minority and, two, to make things happen when he's in the majority. >> you feature some rather revealing quotes from mcconnell about former president trump. among them, mcconnell says trump is not very smart, a despicable human being, nasty, a sleazeball, beyond erratic. if mcconnell feels all that about trump, why did he end up supporting him all along and said he will again? >> mcconnell was wary of trump really from day one, but he also knew he had to work with him. you have one choice. either you work with the president or you don't. if you don't, you lose your job. he and paul ryan work very hard to keep trump happy. so they came up with a tax bill

and called it the trump tax cut so that way trump would support it. in their minds, they were support of manipulating him. that's a debate i'm sure president trump would see differently. they looked at it as we're going to get what we can from him. as time went on, the relationship was very strained. mcconnell was recording these comments in private oral histories that he did. he gave me access to those for the book, so you're able to see in realtime what he was really thinking and contrast that with his public statements. >> obviously so many viewers watching this show will remember him for his decision preventing merrick garland from reaching the supreme court. now, mcconnell feels like a throwback figure where many watching him will agree with his support of ukraine. as we look at the republican party and we're a week from the

election, how does mcconnell fit in with the gop? >> i think it depends. if it's a win, it's one way. if it's a loss, it's another way. ukraine is where mcconnell put his political capital at risk. the other was the immigration bill that didn't pass. he put that bill together. he talked to president biden. he named james lankford, a conservative republican, to lead the charge on the republican side. everything was set and then trump called senators and scotched it. >> this new book is on sale now. author and deputy washington bureau chief for the associated press michael tackett, thank you for being here. up next, we'll get the

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there are a number of contenders for the clown crown, including elon musk, who won the crowd over with his natural charm. >> the future is gonna be amazing! you guys are awesome. this is like -- ahh. usa! usa! usa! usa! usa! yes. ahhh! >> you know, he's just so likable. that's the thing. welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe."

it is 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. in the east. jonathan lemire is still with us. vice president kamala harris is set to deliver her closing argument tonight at the ellipse, the same location of donald trump's january 6th rally that preceded the capital riot, the insurrection. this comes as the former president continues to face backlash for that weekend rally at madison square garden, which included crude and racist insults. nbc news white house correspondent peter alexander has the latest. >> reporter: in the campaign's final week, the fight is on for the small number of battleground voters who may still be up for grabs. >> can we hear it for our first-time voters? >> we're close to winning this thing. >> reporter: former president trump's campaign still dealing with fallout from sunday's raucous rally at madison square garden, where several speakers made a variety of racist, sexist and crude comments. >> there's literally a floating

island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. yeah. i think it's called puerto rico. >> reporter: some republican lawmakers denouncing that joke. trump ally peter navarro posting it gave the other side something to hang onto. it was just stupid. the head of the republican party in puerto rico saying he would withhold support until trump apologized. the trump campaign has distanced itself from that joke, but trump has not denounced it. his running mate jd vance downplaying it. >> i think that we have to stop getting so offended at every little thing in the united states of america. i'm so over it. >> reporter: harris' team looking to capitalize in a new digital ad targeting swing states. >> puerto ricans deserve better. >> reporter: like pennsylvania, where president biden won the state by roughly 80,000 votes in 2020. it's home to more than 300,000 eligible puerto rican voters. democrats are hoping the controversy could be a difference maker.

the comments have been noticed there. >> that rally brought up a whole bunch of issues. >> reporter: some say they're unfazed. >> i didn't really get offended. >> reporter: harris responding to the rally. >> fans the fuel of hate and division. >> reporter: trump saying she stokes division after he's repeatedly called democrats the enemy from within. >> kamala is running a campaign of demonization and hate. >> reporter: and slamming her for calling him a fascist. >> she's a fascist. >> reporter: meanwhile, a gender gap has developed between the campaign supporters. videos emerged between a recent hot mic moment between harris and michigan's governor. president obama on the trail yesterday spoke directly to male voters. >> some men who seem to think trump's behavior somehow is a sign of strength, you know, the macho, fake macho thing. that's not what real strength

is. >> that was nbc's peter alexander with that report. this just into us. barbara pierce bush, one of the former president george w. bush's daughters has just announce who had she will back for president. in a statement to "people magazine" she said she was hopeful that voters will support vice president kamala harris on election day in order to move our country forward and protect women's rights. she spent the weekend in pennsylvania, adding that she was inspired to join friends and meet voters with the harris/walz campaign. joe, i'd love your insights on this. i feel like, well, this is not just one of those elections. this is the election. i think a lot of people feel that you want to know you did everything you could when america was on the line. and so it's interesting to see endorsements like this come out. >> it certainly is. we've seen quite a few, of

course, starting with liz cheney and her father dick cheney. >> right. >> and now this endorsement. we also saw the daughter of gerald ford come out. we've seen republicans that have served in the reagan administration, the bush 41 administration, the bush 43 administration and i think most tellingly, the trump administration. one national security leader after another. this can't just be narrowed down to one general, because in fact, it is the foreign policy community, the republican foreign policy community that surrounded donald trump through four years, saw him making choices inside the white house and said he is not fit to be president. that just -- i'm sorry, that just can't be explained away. >> yeah. >> and i know there are editorial boards that are supposedly conservative that try

to explain that away every day. it cannot be explained away. the very people that run -- that ran donald trump's national security team are saying that he is unfit to be president of the united states, that he's unfit to be commander in chief. and nobody can wish that away. so-called conservative writers, so-called conservative thinkers, who are trying to have it both ways, engaging in anti-anti-trumpism. you can't do it. when you have donald trump's former secretaries of state or donald trump's former national security advisors or you have donald trump's former chief of staff, you have longest-serving chief of staff, you have a couple of different national security advisors.

you can go on and on. again -- >> then other people who work for him are in jail. they're either speaking out against him or they're part of what it was that he's created, and they end up in jail. >> well -- >> i think earlier you spoke about the permission structure that a member of the bush family could give. i think condi rice is another name that could really tap into voters that are really thinking about this. you know, it's a time to step up because there could be some people who are still trying to figure out what to do, you know? >> yeah. by the way, i said secretaries of state. i will tell you right now at 9:07 in the morning i can't remember a secretary of state that was for trump. somebody can get in my ear if there is. i do know, though, again, his national security advisors, his

secretaries of defense, other leaders, one after another after another that helped shape donald trump's foreign policy. you also have speaking of bush 43, you also have alberto gonzalez coming out. >> yes. >> again, somebody who -- >> absolutely. >> -- never really, never really was strong in democratic circles, coming out saying this election is too important. so you are right. this is an election like none other in our history. you just look at the number of trump officials who have come out saying he's unfit to be president, the number of bush 43 officials who have, including the vice president, the number of reagan officials, the number of bush 41 officials. it is historic. it's never happened before. let's bring into this conversation the president of

the national action network and host of msnbc's "politics nation" reverend al sharpton. rev, we're still, of course, dealing with the after effects of that rally at madison square garden. and we have -- we actually -- especially on the puerto rico insult, calling puerto ricans garbage and, of course, as i said earlier, racist jokes about black people, racist jokes about so many others. you actually have such a telling moment right now, puerto ricans called garbage by a speaker donald trump and his team selected, reportedly for "the bulwark" i believe, read out of the teleprompter, reviewed by the staff. you have that, and then nobody on stage afterwards calls him

out. and after the rally, there is reportedly a debate inside the trump campaign, many believing they should not apologize for a rally that called puerto ricans garbage. and then to underline that, yesterday jd vance said he hadn't seen the joke, which is not true. and then he went on and said, it's much ado about nothing. why's everybody so sensitive? in effect saying that this racist joke about puerto ricans, calling puerto ricans garbage, people should not, quote, get so offended. it's like nothing i've ever seen in american politics before. the question is, does the side calling puerto ricans garbage pay a price? >> well, that will be the question that we have to answer in these days leading up to the election, because clearly we all

talk about how this reminds us of this in history or that in history, but we're seeing things now that's unprecedented. i can't remember anyone, george wallace, that would allow a comedian to get up and use a derogatory term like that. george wallace was the symbol of segregation in the '60s and '70s when i was growing up. even if he had hard feelings, he would know in proper company and out of respect to voters, you don't do that. they are coming with the most biased, racist, anti-black, anti-latino, anti-women -- they're acting like women's rights is something they'll just need to get over and you just don't understand. i've never seen such a blatant hateful campaign in american history. the question is, will the voters stand up and back it up? >> i mean, that really is -- that really is the question.

and it's -- mika, it's really hard to say. again, we're looking here. former defense secretary mark esper is another one that keeps saying he's not fit. john kelly has said it. john bolton said donald trump always would not put the country's interest first. again, you go through all of them. there's just a long, long list. so, again, repeating what we said before, it just -- there's never been an election like this. >> no. >> where you have the very people that worked for donald trump and not just in the national security field, but also the people that worked around him at the white house, who were begging him to call off the riots on january the 6th are now saying he's not fit to be president. you actually yesterday were with

one of the people that worked for donald trump and was a spokesperson for donald trump and you were with her yesterday on "the view". >> alyssa farah griffin is one of the cohosts of "the view." you know, it's interesting, she was talking about putting in a resignation letter on "the view" recently because she quit. and she's a republican, but not a trump republican. she's seen from the inside, like many others who have spoken out, just how self-interested and dangerous this man is and self-interested in a way that, you know, anybody who actually wants to clue in and take a look for themselves can see for themselves. it's good to hear from all these people that worked at the white house, but you can also look at donald trump's own words, even when he was president. yes, i would definitely take dirt on a political rival from a foreign leader.

he said that himself to george stephanopoulos. he's talking about using the military to attack the enemy from within, and he is naming names of people that he would like to attack as president because he feels he's been wronged by them because of what they have said in their free speech about him. many would argue the things they've said are quite true. >> mika, you know, a lot of people say, well, he wants to arrest nancy pelosi and adam schiff because of what happened to him. well, actually, after he got elected in 2016, he pressured his first attorney general jeff sessions to arrest hillary clinton. attorney general sessions came back and said there are no grounds to arrest hillary clinton. then he pressured bob barr to arrest hillary clinton. barr came back and said there's just no evidence to arrest

hillary clinton. and two weeks before the election in 2020 he publicly pressured and privately pressured attorney general barr to arrest joe biden and his family. so people that are saying, oh, you know, we had four years with donald trump and he never tried to arrest hillary clinton. just not true. he had a justice department -- they know, they know. they're lying to their readers. they're lying to their viewers. they know, but they prefer to lie to cover up for donald trump. >> yes. >> saying, oh, you know, nothing bad happened over four years. at least he didn't try to arrest hillary clinton. that's a lie. he most certainly did. he had guardrails his first term that he will not have in his second term. >> experts in fascism and who have studied autocracy say the

second time for these leaders -- and this has happened in other countries. the second time is the most effective because they know what to do coming in. they know who to put where. you're absolutely right, joe. then, of course, there are women across america. last hour we had women who suffered incredible traumas at the hands of what trump has already done, which are these strict abortion bans which are literally killing women. it's not just women in their reproductive years. a woman with cancer in her 50s who has a medical emergency, any woman is now potentially in danger and will not get life-saving health care if she goes to the e.r. to get it in certain states will have an issue because of trump. there's the reality right now that he follows through on his threats. let's get to the closing days of the presidential campaign. vice president kamala harris is showing voters a side of herself they may not have seen before, her faith. at a campaign stop at a church

in philadelphia on sunday, harris cited scripture when talking about next week's election. take a look. >> they will demand everything we've got, but when i think about the days ahead and the god we serve, i am confident that his power will work through us, because, church, i know we were born for a time such as this, and i have faith he is going to carry us forward and the road ahead won't be easy. it will require perseverance and hard work, but in times of uncertainty, scripture reminds us, weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning! the path may seem hard, but the work may seem heavy, but joy

cometh in the morning. and, church, morning is on its way. >> wow. joining us now, senior pastor of the 23rd avenue church of god in oakland, california, pastor dmitri edwards. that is the church kamala harris attended as a child. also with us, bishop leah daughtry. welcome. joe has the first question. >> so i saw david brody's, i thought, excellent piece on christian broadcasting network that both of you spoke in. i was moved. pastor edwards, your general statement at the end of that

piece, i think, is so important where you certainly are supporting kamala harris, but there's something bigger involved. there's something more important involved. and that is bringing people of faith, regardless of their political affiliations together to put first things first again. can you talk about that? >> yeah. first of all, thankful for the opportunity to provide clarity and also just a tone of normalcy to our conversation when it comes to the democratic process. what i basically wanted to make sure was expressed in that previous interview was that, as believers, it is our responsibility to be peacemakers. the last thing that i want to add to conversations of politics and democracy is that we have to demean, deny or denigrate people

because their beliefs may be different from ours. i believe when the lord instructs us to love our neighbor, it's not loving the person who is just like us. jesus says that's easy. but if you want the blessing of god to be on your life, it's loving those who make it difficult for you to show up, but it's that faith that allows you to realize that you have the assignment as a believer, as a person of faith, to enter into the public square, and we ought to be the ones who are modeling decency, who model that we have the holy spirit guiding our lives and not creating further division and allowing politics to lose sight that we are calling god to represent him as ambassadors for christ. >> bishop, we were taught that

we should not judge others, that we should bring our religion and values to the political arena but not judge those or not inhibit those that have not been there or may not agree or convert to our faith, but that we should fight for their freedom. as i just heard reverend saying, not bring the rancor into the arena in terms of trying to denigrate any of god's children. talk about how you grew up around base independent pen pen

that pentacostal church. >> yes. exactly. first, thank you all for having me. i'm delighted to be here. you're exactly right. i grew up in brooklyn, new york, in an activist community where not everybody believed as we believed. that was not the fight. the fight was we were neighbors. we were people that wanted our community to be the best that it could be. and we were invested in assuring that the resources of government, the resources of industry could come to bear to make our communities better. so we were willing to work across faiths with people of faith, with people of no faith across communities. what mattered is we were all americans, we were all brooklynytes, we were all new yorkers.

we wanted the best for our schools. what united us, what bound us together was stronger than any division that we could have. how can we see neighbor as a verb? how can we look into the face of a stranger and see a neighbor? that's what we're all about in this campaign. >> the rhetoric is so dark and ugly. there's talk of violence. we discussed at length today the racism that was on full display last weekend. just as an american, just as a person of faith, how disheartening is it for you that our political discourse, at least one-half of it, has been dominated by that sort of rhetoric? >> it is terrible. it is destructive. it's not what i want my nephews to see. that's the most disconcerting thing is that our children are growing up in this environment,

are watching it on television, are hearing it on the radio, are seeing it on social, this rancor that has become normalized. and it's dangerous for the america of the future. so we've really got to stop ourselves and think about what do we want our children to see? what kind of president do we want them to see as role models? i don't want a president that i have to cover my 8-year-old niece's ears because i don't know what he's going to say and i want her to take that to school and into her adulthood. it's dangerous. it is depressing. it's maddening and frustrating for us as adults. but i am most concerned about what it does to the future of our country as it affects the minds of our children. >> one of the things i learned from the david brody piece on

the christian broadcasting network was that kamala harris, she and her sister were, in effect, raised in your church when she was growing up and your church's community, because a lot of times her mother, who was working hard, she would work and church members and one woman in particular took them in and took them to church on sunday mornings, and they grew up in that church community. can you talk about that? >> most definitely. i think one of the misnomers, some of the misinformation -- let's just be honest -- is that all of a sudden kamala harris wants to ingratiate herself in the black church experience. well, i know that to be wholeheartedly untrue, because one of our more prominent stalwart members of our church, ms. regina shelton, who was a name to kamala and who would

watch them when they were younger, out of that 23rd avenue church of god. so ms. shelton, someone from louisiana, came and for herself wasn't just someone who was a member of our church, but she was an example of how you act. she had a preschool that was open for 40 years. she took what she had and worked it because of her faith. that faith allowed her to be a good neighbor, bring them to this church. she was a part of the life and vigor of what it meant to be part of the black church experience, which despite what happened in society, being informed by racism and

injustice, the black church became this umbrella, this place of safety, this refuge that no matter what was going on in the world, in the church you could find love, you could find community, you could find support. you could find not only scholarship opportunities, but this church became more than just an institution with a sign on the outside. these people loved god, loved one another and did life together, and it's reflected in kamala harris', each her ethic and the way she connects to others. she believes that faith is a verb, and you live that out by loving and serving with all of your heart, your soul and your mind. >> thank you both very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, the fallout continues over billionaire jeff

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the "washington post" announced that it will not endorse a presidential candidate in the upcoming election. [ crowd reacts ] >> i agree. explains why they changed their slogan from democracy dies in

darkness to democracy dies or it doesn't. we can't tell. it's so dark in here. the paper had an endorsement for harris already written and ready to go, but apparently it got yanked by the owner jeff bezos. turns out it's pretty unpopular among newspaper subscribers, because as of this taping, more than 200,000 people have cancelled their digital subscriptions to the "washington post." cancelled. gone. 200,000. you can't lose those kind of people. if this keeps up, it could destroy the "washington post." now, is that a good thing or a bad thing? i have no opinion. [ laughter ] >> let's bring in the coanchor of cnbc's "squawk box" andrew ross sorkin.

also john heilemann. andrew, we've heard about the 200,000 digital subscriptions that have been cancelled. they only gained 4,000 subscriptions in the entirety, i think, of this year thus far. i'm curious, though. is it kind of like twitter is or x is for elon musk? is this all just a rounding error for jeff bezos, and he's made the calculation if the post goes down, the post goes down. he'd rather have good relations with donald trump if he's the next president. >> i don't want to speak for jeff bezos. i know there's a lot of people who don't want to believe this or him. my sense is that he believes or he says he believes that a principled decision and that he will go down with the ship. you know, 200,000 subscriptions is an enormous number of

subscriptions, but in the grand total of his existence in his empire, it's probably not much. so the question is what you think is the reason he actually did this and what the true implication is. that is the question. >> it's not really, though, john heilemann, it's not really much of a question when you already have the editorial written for the "washington post" and then it gets yanked, the harris endorsement. then just like with the l.a. times there was an editorial written and the owner yanked it at the last minute. as a lot of people have said and i think marty baron said, if you endorse and then said we're out of the endorsement business, that's one thing. if you do it one week, one and a half weeks before when you don't like who they endorsed, it causes a problem. >> i'd say further than that,

joe, jeff bezos is not someone who's gotten as rich as he is with an inability to do forward planning. the businesses he's run have been run on rigorous schedules on time horizons where you have to meet certain targets and goals. he's basically saying we screwed this up because we didn't plan it. >> really, inadequately? >> they've issued other endorsements in this cycle in local races, on the congressional level in maryland and virginia. if you were deciding that the "washington post" was going to get out of the endorsement -- totally legitimate decision -- and made it a year ago or two years ago, i think people would have a different opinion than of this, which it looks pretty

nakedly political. to lecture them how they're failing at their jobs while the people at the "washington post" are killing themselves to do good coverage of ahetic to jeffd say this is an owner who thinks we are heading into potentially an oligarchic political situation where the rule of law won't matter anymore. that's the most sympathetic. someone who thinks donald trump can get elected and we're going to be living in 1990s russia here, that's the best i can sympathize with it. andrew looks like he wants to argue in favor of jeff bezos'

position. >> it's more complicated. aldon group which runs usa today stopped endorsing folks in 2022. the baltimore sun stopped endorsing folks just this past year. by the way, the "new york times" stopped just several weeks ago. the "new york times" announced they were no longer going to endorse candidates in new york. >> i'm not buying it. >> i know you're not buying it. i'm just saying there are other factors going on in this universe that have to be at least contemplated. if you read his op-ed, he acknowledges he's conflicted. he says he complexifies his life and their life. i don't think you say these things unless you think it's a brilliant defense. maybe it's not a brilliant defense, but i don't think you write all that down on paper if

you don't believe it. >> i'll let you have your opinion. i will tell you i think the consequences of this is ultimately going to be interestingly disturbing, joe. and that is that we already have 200,000 subscriptions that have been cancelled, and this is very damaging to the "washington post." i think "washington post" readers are very in tune with the state of our country right now. they care deeply about receiving fact-based information and editorials. they are deeply immersed in what's going on in the country. i think to lose those readers because they don't believe in the decisions and they don't believe in the reasons that the "washington post" and jeff bezos gave for the decisions that they made is ultimately harmful to the "washington post," which may be exactly what donald trump and jeff bezos wants.

>> well, again, i'll just say it happened at the worst time possible. if anybody wants to believe what jeff bezos' people wrote, the typing could not have been any even. after the "washington post" team had put together an editorial endorsing kamala harris just like the l.a. times and it was killed. so there's that. it's fascinating. >> i don't disagree with you. i think it was a mistake. i want to be on record. >> it's not a mistake. >> i think it was the wrong decision. this was not the election. if you were going to take the principled stand to stop doing endorsements, this is not the election where you make that decision. >> of course not. >> i'm not disagreeing with you. i'm violently agreeing with you. >> okay. we get it, andrew. we get it.

here's the deal, i mean, this happens also a week after a general, chief of staff, donald trump's longest-serving chief of staff said he was fascist, which of course, mark milley, chairman of the joint chiefs said donald trump -- he served with him, was his joint chiefs chairman. said he was fascist to the core. mark esper, his secretary of defense, said it would be dangerous for him to be president again. defense secretary mattis told bob woodward he was a threat to the united states. john bolton said he was unfit to be president of the united states. donald trump, of course, responded by attacking mattis and milley saying they weren't good generals. they happen to be two of the most highly decorated generals of their generation.

so the timing to decide you're going to go mute a week, week and a half after those stories hit -- >> kybosh the editorial? >> i want to ask about starbucks. i think we're going to start seeing this with a lot of other companies. starbucks, what are they telling their employees? >> joe, what's happening is the employees in the corporate offices we're talking about now, are being told you're either going to return to the office at a minimum of three days a week or you are not going to return to the office ever again. so that edict has now been put down to begin in january. i believe this is really a trend you're seeing across the country for what i describe as write collar workworkers. blue collar workers have had to go into work five and even seven

days a week. i think part of it is the businesses now feel they have because of the strength or weakness in certain pockets of the employment picture that they have now the power to actually call people back to work. i think there was a period of time they thought we can't even get people to come back to work because they're going to leave and go to another company. >> this is not -- >> cnbc's andrew ross sorkin, thank you, as always. arizona's republican senate candidate kari lake was on cnn last night and refused to say whether she lost the state's 2022 gubernatorial race. take a look. >> did you lose the 2022 election for governor? >> why are we looking backward? i'm looking forward. >> -- concede that race. >> i'm looking forward to ma

what is coming up. >> you're not going to say whether or not you lost the 2022 race, is that what i'm hearing? >> i've answered that a million times. >> you've actually yet to answer the question directly on whether or not you lost the election. >> i want to make sure elections are run properly. i'm still in litigation, so i don't want to speak to that. >> the democratic opponent congressman ruben gallego spent the weekend campaigning in counties that traditionally lean republican. congressman gallego joins us now. he's a marine corps combat veteran and a member of the house armed services committee. thank you for coming on the show. how does the race look? and what are the issues you're running on that you think are breaking through? >> arizona is a tight state. there are 300,000 more registered republicans than democrats, so we have to make sure we are talking to everyone.

we're talking about the choice of where arizona gets to go. do you want to have abortion rights going to the future so women can control their bodies? you need to vote for me. kari lake is for an abortion ban. if you want to deal with this election denialism, it's very serious. people have gotten death threats here in arizona. i have a neighbor that works for the county, the county recorder. he ended up having to hire personal security. we have people no longer running for office because they have so much trauma put upon them by people like kari lake that people don't want to run for office anymore. you can choose someone who upholds the constitution of the united states or another election denier like car kari l. and the future of arizona, we need a secure water future and

secure borders. someone like kari lake, all she wants to do is divide. she'll do anything and say anything just like we saw right now. >> congressman, i know a lot of people in your state, and i'm hearing a lot of enthusiasm about voting. one of the questions that has been raised -- i was going to be in arizona today. i'll be there over the weekend for a get out the vote rally. i keep hearing the question of immigration and how arizona can be one of the leaders in how to get this right in a partisan way. talk about you eve tried to be more unifying than those on the left or the right that directly impacts your state. >> i think the difference between me and kari lake is i approach this from an arizona perspective, not a democrat perspective, not a republican perspective. so working with our community leaders, our border mayors, this

is why i've been endorsed by more border mayors than kari lake has. we've been supported by the largest police union in the state, because they know we're going to work in a bipartisan manner and not just play politics at the border. remember, there was a good border security compromise bill by republicans and democrats together, and she rejected it. why? not because there was a better bill coming, but because she needed the border problem. she needed to continue to do this. we had one mayor who started to campaign with her and is now endorsing us, because they understand i'm here to get the work done. she's been to mar-a-lago more than she has to the voter. arizona voters understand that, and they want someone who's going to take the border seriously and not just use it as a political football like kari lake has. >> congressman, good morning. there are so many issues that would be decisive in this race, immigration, abortion rights, of

course. polls suggest for most voters top of mind remains the economy. what do you say when you encounter a voter there who has such fond memories of the trump economy who says things were better then. and the facts may not support that but that's the feeling the voter has. what's your argument? >> i think the worst thing we could do is deny people what they're feeling. when politicians do that, they're out of touch. i understand what they're going through. i grew up in a household that was largely supported my my mom, who was a secretary and myself. you know, i went to work after school to make sure i could help out my family. my first bed in about seven years was my college dorm room bed. i slept on the floor of my apartment to help out my family. i get what it feels like trying to put 40 hours a week together to make a living or figuring out

how far you can drive by how much is in your wallet. for example, the fact that the we are the people that have gone after pharma. we have insulin capped at $35. arizona has the lowest unemployment in the history of the state. we still have more to do. we have to bring down the cost of housing to make sure people match that. we have to make sure people understand inflation is hard, but we're working at it because we are the people that really are willing to fight with you. we're very happy with the direction the campaign is going. if you want to know more, if you want to help out the campaign, we are happy to take any support at gallego for arizona out the happy to take in support. >> democratic candidate for u.s. senate in arizona, congressman ruben gallego, thank you very much for coming on the show. we appreciate it. this just in to "morning

joe." former congresswoman liz cheney is weighing in on barbara pierce bush's support for harris tweeting, thank you barbara bush for standing for truth, decency and freedom. coming up, he's played hamlet, mcbeth and now king leer oscar winner kenneth branagh joins us. also, my conversation with two-time hall of fame inductee stevie nicks and musician and activist sheryl crow. we discuss stevie's new song entitled "the light house," which she was inspired to right after the overturning of roe v. wade. the song serves as a warning to women. we're back in two minutes. look at this craftmanship.

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[ laughter ] >> that was a clip from the 1993 classic "much ado about nothing." that was the star kenneth branagh. he's working with shakespearean material for his new off broadway play "king leer." the award winning actor joins us now. thank you. it's kind of a busy time. thank you for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> i read that the first time you read "king lear" was 45 years ago. what's it like to bring it to the stage now and perform it? >> when i first read it -- >> performing it. >> performing it, but i can quote it for you. when king lear says when we are born we cry that we have come to

this great stage of fools, now that whole idea of human beings capable of foolishness in a lay that from the beginning, in an ordinary family situation produces poor misjudgments in family dynamics and from that chaos comes, that i recognized at 17. i was still trying to work it out at 63. >> i'm recognizing it today. go ahead. >> do you think that is one of the reasons why this has lasted so long, that people see the kind of conflict and kind of way to resolve matters, like you said, you saw it at 17. you think that is what made it survive as a story so long? >> i think you're right. i think the human recognition, the russian writer renounces things.

tolstoy gave away titles and books and things later in life. he talked about his art. he said, if through art you can show mankind themselves and let them see themselves, then maybe they can change. that's what i've found with shakespeare. you have that opportunity to recognize. in this case a family dynamic where a king gives up -- basically only wants to work three days a week. decides he is going to -- >> do remote. >> exactly. finish thursday afternoon and i'll come in late tuesday morning. i would still like the job title please. i'll divide it between three people equally. it doesn't work. those three people are his daughters. they're younger and have different points of view. >> for sure. joe has a question for you, kenneth. >> it's so fascinating. we're so observed on change.

we're now in the social media age. we went from the industrial age to the information age to the tech age. we say everything changes so much. isn't it extraordinary shakespeare remains relevant? unfortunately we has human beings don't change, do we we? >> well, he seems to indicate when there's a power vacuum and someone decides i can control this handover of power and do it on my terms, what he discovers is once he's signed the documents and no longer in the job, the people who agreed to anything he said before that moment when he signed, now have a different point of view. his understanding of what he's capable of, his understanding of his mental cognition is different from their view of it. the ones who have the keys to the castle are the ones who are going to win in that equation. >> you have been doing shakespeare on stage, in film

for basically your whole career. it's timeless as you point out. do you see a difference in how from when you first started doing this to now in terms of how audiences relate to shakespeare or is it consistent, that's it's so deeply human that nothing changes? >> i think there's always been a fear factor with shakespeare. people fear ancient language, that it may between them and the experience. there's a line when edgar says, the weight of this sad time we must obey, speak what we feel, not what we ought to say. what i noticed doing shakespeare is people's capacity to feel has never been more vibrant. we've been playing in new york. the odd kwenss here are so sharp, so intelligent and so

ready to feel. our production plays with two hours without intermission because the events are so rapid, in human situations from the beginning of the, it unravels decisions made in the heat of the moment which is very much to do with people feeling, not necessarily considering, not necessarily reflecting, not necessarily taking time for pause. i would say my experience is that audiences are ready to experience and prefer to experience rather than to sort of listen to a lecture. >> i love this. >> the audiences here want succession. >> there's that, but i, as a person who participated in the williams town theater festival, i'm aware of your career in shakespeare. i said, kenneth branagh is on the show tomorrow and a young person nearby said to me he's in -- is it