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hi, everyone. 4:00 in new york. so, this is it. tonight, a singularly unique moment in american history, and perhaps one of the most important of vice president kamala harris' presidential campaign. because in a matter of hours, exactly 100 days since president joe biden bowed out of the race, propelling kamala harris to the top of the ticket, she will deliver to the nation what amounts to her closing message. one that will over the next seven days spread to every corner of every battleground state and beyond. one that we understand will be optimistic, hopeful, and future focused. one that will lay out in stark

terms two different visions of america. where harris will ask voters to turn the page on donald trump. so here is what we're hearing today, first. 20,000 people was the attendance number that they expected and planned for. then it got bumped up to 40,000 people they were expecting. by far the largest rally of harris' presidential campaign. the latest metropolitan police in washington, d.c. suggested 52,000 people could be in attendance tonight. and an exact match, the exact same number of people the capacity crowd at last night's game three of the world series. because it's not just what the vice president is saying to the country. or to whom she's saying. it's where she says it. she is going to say it near the national mall in washington, d.c., at the ellipse, to be exact. it is the very literal scene of the crime where her opponent

donald trump summoned a mob, assembled that mob, and then lit the flame of the attack on january 6th. it was something the vice president brought up in her address at the democratic national convention. >> donald trump tried to throw away your votes. when he failed, he sent an armed mob to the united states capitol where they assaulted law enforcement officers. when politicians in his own party begged him to call off the mob and send help, he did the opposite. he fanned the flames. just imagine donald trump with no guardrails. and how he would use the immense powers of the presidency of the united states.

>> now, in our very first presidential election day since that assault nearly four years ago, the nation will bear witness to kamala harris' big tent coalition. one that is built up and bursting at the seams with allies old and new, traditional and rather unconventional, united by a single purpose, the preservation of our very democracy as we know it. even at this late hour, new voices are flocking to that purpose and her campaign. they include barbara pierce bush, she's the daughter of former president george w. bush. she has endorsed kamala harris for president. bush said she spent part of her weekend campaigning on behalf of the vice president. for now, though, there's no looking away from that bright national spotlight. once again, trained on the ellipse in our nation's capital on an assembled crowd, one not looking to disrupt democracy this time, but to save it. in just the last few moments,

right before we came on the air, nbc news obtained our first excerpts of the vice president's speech. here's some of what kamala harris is expected to say later this evening. quote, donald trump has told us his priorities for a second term. he has an enemies list of people he intends to prosecute. he says one of his highest priorities is to set free the violent extremists who assaulted those law enforcement officers on january 6th. donald trump intends to use the united states military against american citizens who simply disagree with him. people he calls, quote, the enemy from within. this is not a candidate for president who is thinking about how to make your life better. this is someone who is unstable, obsessed with revenge, consumed with grievance, and out for unchecked power. donald trump has spent a decade trying to keep the american people divided and afraid of each other. that's who he is. but america, i'm here to say

tonight that is not who we are. that is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. nbc news correspondent yamiche alcindor is in washington ahead of vice president harris' speech tonight. also joining us, the former lead investigator for the january 6th select committee, tim hafey, and former capitol police officer and author of standing my ground, harry dunn is here. with me at the table for the whole hour, harris campaign surrogate, author of i have something to tell you, our friend chasten buttigieg, back from popular demand. he was in michigan late last night. yammese, i start with you and your reporting on tonight's address. >> reporter: well, from what i can hear and from what i can tell, vice president harris is both trying to do two things. she's trying to really lay out her vision, which her campaign tells me is going to be optimistic. it's going to be upbeat, but she's also trying to undercore what she sees as the danger of a second trump presidency.

that's where you see her, of course, using this location to make the symbolic point here that donald trump would put himself over the country because she will be standing at the ellipse which is really the backyard of the white house. also where donald trump stood on january 6th just a few moments before his supporters attacked the u.s. capitol and broke in, which of course is the january 6th riot that has now become infamous in u.s. history. she is really going to be talking about her to-do list, campaign officials tell me that means talking about helping the economy, lowering costs for americans. also going to mean talking about rolling back abortion bans and creating more housing for americans. but she really wants to underscore the point that donald trump is a singularly dangerous figure and that if re-elected he would be more unhinged, more unchecked than the first time around. you just talked about the speech excerpts but we have to underline some parts. she said in one part that stood out to me, she said donald trump

has in mind more chaos, more division. she also talks about the fact she believes donald trump intends to use the united states military against american citizens who simply disagree with him. she also says he is not trying to make your life better. then she says, i pledge to seek common ground and common sense solutions to make your lives better. she's really both trying to do these two things. you can see why this would be a dark speech, because she would be talking about reliving january 6th, but her campaign really wants to underscore the part that she's also going to be talking about what she wants to do if she's elected as president harris. i think it's going to be interesting how she has those two things. we're expecting about 20,000, possibly more people here. the permit application has 40,000 people they're expecting. i have been standing out here all day. the line is getting longer and longer. you can see behind me, there are security barricades that went up with people getting ready for what is going to be this big event. >> harry dunn, i want to know how you're feeling about where

the speech is going to be delivered. we'll get to the message next. it has to be both traumatic, right, that this is now a touchstone in american politics because it offers the sharpest contrast with her opponent. but it feels like maybe the only way beyond is through. what do you think? >> i think it's a great thing. i think it's a great thing for her to use the symbolism of where donald trump last gave a presidential in quotes address and sent a mob to attack men and women of law enforcement, to overthrough the will of the american people. i do have to acknowledge, though, our friend danny hodges, who is still with the metropolitan police department, will be working the event tonight, just like he was on january 6th. so my heart, my thoughts are out to the men and women of law enforcement who will be doing their job to keep the american people safe and keep all of us

safe. think about that, but i think the symbolism of the last time the president, the former president, spoke there with a message of division. us versus them, contrast it with the speech tonight that we expect vice president harris will gee giving, a speech of unity. donald trump says it's us versus them, but kamala harris will be working to be a president for everybody, even if you don't agree with her. >> harry, yamiche mentioned this part of the speech the vice president has released ahead of thime. it says donald trump intends to use the united states military against american citizens who simply disagree with him. people he calls, quote, the enemy from within. we know that is what made general john kelly finally speak out against donald trump. somebody who has a complete aversion to partisan politics. what does it say to you that donald trump wants to use the united states military against american citizens who disagree

with him, but he wasn't interested in using them to protect you? >> sure. and also, let's think about this real quick. he's bogue deto be doing that should he win with the backing of the supreme court. remember, they granted him immunity for what he considers presidential -- official acts. so i mean, that's already just a scary thought right there. but yeah, it's a slap in the face to people -- to law abiding citizens that he thinks he is above the law. he is not. it's just a total -- it's scary to think about it, nicolle. it's totally scary that he can possibly win and get away with this. but that's why i think the enthusiasm is through the roof right now. the record number of turnouts, people early voting, people getting canvassing, knocking doors. when i have been all around the country, people are telling me i have never been involved in politics but i have to do my part. i have said many times that democracy is not a spectator

sport. people are getting involved and standing up and saying we don't accept this. the institutions have failed to hold donald trump accountable, but there's the last fail safe and that is the people on november 5th. >> you know, tim, a lot of focus and again, i put myself in this category, has been on what harry just mentioned, the inability of the institutions to hold donald trump to the same legal standard any of us would be held to. sort of the failure of the rule of law and the men and women who administer it to treat donald trump as if he were any american citizen. and there's so much coverage about how that animates his base. he's a felon and he brags about it. there's zero analysis of how motivated the american people are to finally have our turn to be the jurors of what's in black and white. everything donald trump has been charged with is a public record. we all know that jack smith interviewed mike pence and has put all the bread crumbs together. i wonder how you think the

speech tonight refocuses the public on all the existing evidence that your investigation produced and jack smith's as well. >> nicolle, it seems like that's exactly the point of situating the speech at the scene of the crime. the speech that then president trump gave at the ellipse was the match that sort of lit the fuse that erupted in violence at the capitol. his words there repeating discredited allegations of election fraud, talking about you have to fight like hell or you won't have a country anymore. vowing to be with them, actually promising them he would join the throngs moving to the capitol. directly led to the violence. i think in contrast tonight, you'll hear a very, very different message from the vice president. one much more about a positive message, what we should be as a people. we won't be a litany of grievance, it will be rather a

list of asperations. that's clearly intentional. there's no more smoking gun or mystery about what happened on january 6th. those facts have been developed from our committee, from journalists probably, even an increasing detail from jack smith. it's a question of focus. how much will those facts matter to people when they vote on november 5th? >> i want to read more from -- it's great to have you here. thank you for being here. i want to read more from the vice president's speech tonight. again, these are released ahead of the address. quote, i ask for your vote and here is my pledge to you. i pledge to seek common ground and commonsense solutions to make your lives better. i'm not looking to score political points. i'm looking to make progress. i pledge to listen to experts, to those who will be impacted by the decisions i make, and to people who disagree with me, unlike donald trump, i don't believe people who disagree with me are the enemy. he wants to putthem in jail.

i will give them a seat at my table. when you go to the speech where he goes with this attack on his own vice president, forget about people who disagree with him. at that venue, he attacked mike pence. she's going to say, unlike trump, i'm not going to put people who dissent in jail. i'm going to give them a seat at the table. >> i think that's so important, as a divided country as we are, that folks see that we have a leader in kamala harris who truly wants to bring people together. and part of bringing people together is to give them a seat at the table. when i'm having conversations opthe ground in wisconsin and michigan, you have some folks who maybe have never come out to a canvas kickoff or never knocked on doors or never identified as a democrat before, but they see something in donald trump that they do not recognize. this is not the republican party that maybe they considered themselves to be part of. and they're scared. they're scared for their communities, scared for their union jobs, their kids, their

daughters, their wives. they, too, want a seat at the table. that's part of building a big tent the way kamala harris wants to do. is reaching out a hand and inviting people in. >> i was going to try to make it beyond 4:15 without dealing with this, but because you're here, i'm going to deal with it. people are scared. people who are -- who have lgbtq plus kids, they're really scared. people in homes with journalists are scared. communities of immigrants are scared. businesses that depend on workers from all over the country are scared. kids who might not have anything to do with anything but live in a town where donald trump says they're eating the labradoodles, they're scared. everybody is scared. talk about how you would like to hear vice president harris deal with our collective fear. >> you know, i try to pride

myself in, you know, i have been around you and given you a comforting hug at times before. i pride myself in comforting people, hey, it's going to be okay. i don't know if it's going to be okay, because that's dismissive of people's fears. these fears are real because he pledges, donald trump has told us what he will do. and we have to believe him. we have to take him for his word because he's done it before, and he's beyond receiving the benefit of the doubt. so it is scary. however, you have to turn that fear into action. and i think that's why the engagement, the excitement around the harris campaign has been through the roof. people are really excited, and they're turning that fear, that reasonable fear, into action. and actually doing something. so that's why we have to do it, it's so much on the line, lgbtq plus, journalists, immigrants, there's so many people right now marginalized individuals that feel scared. and it's very important that we

protect these people. these groups of people. and we have to do that, and the only way we can do that is by electing kamala harris and rejecting donald trump once and for all. >> i know it's a game of tea leaves and i'm sorry to ask you to play it, but the campaign in my contacts in communications seems to be in receipt of some data that makes them feel like they're on more solid ground today, all of what chasten is reporting, all of what harry is urging, is what they're seeing on the ground. can you just give me a window into your reporting on the state of the campaign, the state of the race and the view of the campaign? >> reporter: well, i have to level set and say this is a very close election. if you look at the polls, and i know we have some great ones at nbc news. it shows you that in these key battleground states, this is still a margin of error race. with that in mind, the harris campaign say they feel good about the early turnout rates

especially in older african americans in places like georgia, also in detroit and michigan. they're seeing good about the numbers they're seeing, whether it's mail-in ballots, whether it's people showing up early to vote. republicans are saying they're seeing good turnout numbers. i want to tell you, though, when i talk to this campaign and i talk to a lot of officials, they do say the vice president still sees herself as running as an underdog, and she sees herself running essentially against an incumbent because donald trump has been elected as president. so she's taking this on as if she's the challenger here. i want to say all that, but also, if i could, talk about what you were talking about with harry dunn, who we all see as an american hero because of january 6th. there is fear on both sides when you talk to donald trump supporters and they talk about the fear they think immigrants are taking over the country, they talk about the idea that they're fearful their kids are going to be forced into acceptic lgbtq or forced into being trans

americans which isn't true. no one is trying do do that, but there's this deep seated fear among herit supporters. i have been to springfield, ohio, talking to haitians who say their friends and family were punched in the face when they had their coworkers asking if they eat cats and dogs. i have also talked of fear from a transgender woman, a nonbinary american, rather, who told me that they feel fearful because they had two miscarriages and weren't able to get the second time the medical care they needed in texas. so that person, that nonbinary american tells me they're fearful when donald trump says the enemy within, they're talking about their lives. i have also talked to people who are very fearful that donald trump could go after them as journalists or could go after them as americans who disagree because they're working in all different kinds of fields that are public facing. this fear you talked about, this fear i have picked up in different places as i have been

reporting and talking to people, this is a close election, fear on both sides, but there's a livelihood fear when you talk to immigrants, nonbinary people, americans who really feel like they are sort of evolving and becoming the americans that this country had been really embracing as being different and being able to be themselves in new ways, and now they feel like all of that is going to be taken away with donald trump is elected. >> i think the study of the psychology of the final days of an election is that the losing side wants to weaponize fear as the suppression tool. and the side with the momentum wants to mobilize fear as a motivator. and so i guess i would say to anyone feeling scared, vote. vote, vote, vote, vote, vote. it's all in your hands. yamiche, thank you for your superb reporting. there's still so much to come for us. but we want to let you know you can watch the speech we're talking about. the vice president's closing remarks, right here live on msnbc at 7:00 p.m.

my colleagues joy reid, chris hayes, and rachel maddow will anchor that. ahead for us on the show, the fallout continues from donald trump's rally. those racist comments about puerto ricans that were part of that preapproved lineup at the trump campaign event at madison square garden. the outrage has not quieted, quite the opposite, as the ex-president makes his way tonight into a heavily populated latino community with a broom and a mop to do some clean-up. we'll have all those stories and mary trump will join us when "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. they'd get... coal? (puppy crying) (excited screaming) and with coal in the family, mom and dad used chewy to get everything delivered in time for the holidays. at prices everyone feels jolly about. (♪♪) for low prices and fast shipping. for holidays with pets, there's chewy.

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trump and i, we have had a hell of a journey. i hate it be this way. oh, my god, i hate it. from my point of view, he's been a consequential president, but today, first thing you'll see, all i can say is count me out. enough is enough. >> this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side, our democracy would enter a death spiral. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. >> those three men. count me out, said lindsey graham after january 6th. if elections were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side our democracy would enter a death spiral. that was mitch mcconnell. and the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack. tim hafey, here we are, all

three men are voting for donald trump. in a week. your thought on what that means about the republican party's commitment to the rule of law and the sanctity of our elections. >> craving opportunism and horribly disappointing when you're talking about the leaders of our country. they were right in the days thereafter, but when that became politically difficult to maintain that position, speaking truth about the former president's responsibility, they changed their tune because that was what it took for them to stay in power with speaker mccarthy obviously, even that didn't work. there's so many contrasts between that craven opportunism and the strength of someone like liz cheney or adam kinzinger or the dozen of republican officials who continued to speak even if it meant losing their jobs. the other contrast that's so evident here goes back to what harry dunn said earlier about

officer hodges. it really strikes me, nicolle, that very many of the same men and women who will be in uniform tonight protecting access to the ellipse, trying to keep that crowd safe and that event safe, were the very same people who were there at the ellipse on january 6th when it was president trump. people just doing their job. regardless of politics or ideology or what they agree with or disagree with. they treat each other with respect and there's a fidelity to duty. you contrast that fidelity to duty with the demonization of enemies, with calling out this allegation that the enemy within, the desire for retribution. the contrast between proud men and women that are going to protect this event like they protect every event regardless of the content of the speech, with the former president's rhetoric is striking. and ought to be striking to all americans. >> what i am so fascinated by is the lying. here's what those three men i just showed say about donald

trump privately. mitch mcconnell, he's a, quote, despicable human being. lindsay graham, quote, like being in north korea. kevin mccarthy, quote, the twoiskth amendment doesn't work fast enough. that's what those men think of donald trump. so they stand before the republican base and vote for him anyway. and i think harry dunn, it's worth pointing out the few profiles in courage. people telling the truth, saying the same thing publicly as they say privately. this is from the kansas city star column, david mastio. my fellow conservatives, we have to split the ticket to save the u.s. constitution. quote, the reasons i will vote against donald trump are searingly clear and undebatable. i am an army veteran sworn to uphold the constitution, and a conservative who reveres the institutions of our democratic republic. trump tried to overthrough our 250-year-old system of government on january 6th. he tried to force then vice president mike pence to ignore the constitution and our votes.

he admitted a blizzard of lies for months that drove his true believers to storm our capitol, bringing violence into our political system in the most dangerous way since the civil war. a vote for trump could be my last vote if he has his way. your thoughts, harry. >> that is scary. i know we have talked about it before or just donald trump's quest for power unchecked power. i would argue that those three men that you just showed there have a quest for power also. they're thirsting for power also. they made those statements because they thought everybody was going along with it, but they pivoted because they saw it was a political suicide, so to speak. if you look at the members in the house that voted to impeach donald trump, all of them are gone. all of them are gone. because they spoke out and they did what was right. they followed their conscience.

even mitch mcconnell in his remarks during the impeachment trial, he said donald trump bears responsibility. he's morally responsible for what happened. oh, yeah, i'll go ahead and acquit him. their quest for power is just as sick as donald trump's is. and it's scary that they are continuing to back him no matter what. how many times have they gone on record, even the vice president, jd vance, said things about donald trump, and they all just come running back. and it's scary that they don't stand up on their morals, their principles like liz cheney and adam kinzinger. it's great that kamala harris is reaching out to them to give them seats at the table because we do understand that while there are a lot of things that separate us, that we have difference of opinions about, there are so many more things that unite us than the things that divide us. >> i wonder what you hear out in the field about all these republicans who said the things they said publicly, about his

unacceptable conduct and then fell into line. >> yeah, i mean, certainly something i'm feeling on the ground, especially in michigan, are folks who never really considered themselves to be a democrat or have been lifelong republicans, turn out. especially for kamala harris. they don't recognize the type of rhetoric that they're hearing out of donald trump. and i think it insults them, insults their kids, insults their families, insults the women in their lives. they turn their nose up at it. there are some folks i presume in my life even who are going to hold their nose and vote for kamala harris because they just do not recognize the republican party of donald trump. and there are folks who turn out to our field office in traverse city, even way up in hauten, michigan, people coming out to say i have been a republican my entire life, but we can't do this. i don't recognize this. so i have never seen this little

of support for donald trump in michigan, and that gives me a lot of hope. >> that's so interesting, i heard that from another michigander who said that michigan is a battlegrant but either the trump people have gone way underground or there's less of it. >> we like to tell folks that yard signs don't vote. people do. >> and everyone in a house doesn't vote the same way. there could be a trump fancy yard sign outside. >> i have to remind folks when you see a driveway with 20 trump flags, that might be one vote. i have never seen so little support for trump in northern michigan. we're in a purple county. typical to see blue, red, blue, red. but i just don't see that type of support for him, even when he came to traverse city last week and showed up three hours late and thousands of people left the event early, says something about the lack of support for the candidate. and obviously, the commitment he doesn't have to support them in

northern michigan. so it feels great for me as a michigander. i'm very excited, but i'm going to continue doing the work and i hope folks recognize to we have to do the work together, we can't just sit on the couch and watch your incredible show. >> that's the x-factor, what everybody says. if we do the work, if we close sort of hitting all of our marks in terms of knocking on the doors and doing the turnout, they feel good. tim and harry, two people who have talked us through some of the most sort of traumatic domestic events in our country's history, thank you for joining us today to talk about the vice president's speech. >> thank you. when we come back, much more with chasten buttigieg about what some of those issues are that are driving what he's seeing, the enthusiasm on the trail for kamala harris. don't go anywhere. woah, a lost card isn't keeping this thrill seeker down. lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. hey!

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>> just a few of the hundreds of pennsylvania high school students who rallied today in philadelphia before voting for the first time ever in their lives. today marks the last day of early voting in pennsylvania, with more than 1.4 million ballots cast so far. we're back with chasten buttigieg. what do you hear from young people? >> that was really incredible to see, and their parents and teachers must be really proud for them to lean into their power like that. it's great to talk to young people on the trail. you're talking to a generation of kids who have grown up under school shooting drills. lockdown drills. you're talking to a generation who will hopefully be here, you know, over the next 100 years. running against a candidate like donald trump who doesn't believe in climate change. so it's really empowering to see young people embracing that power, marching in the streets, holding up their signs. and talking about the very real things in their life that are at stake should we get this wrong. >> she makes a lot of time kind of on and off camera for gen z

voters and she seemed to from the first days of her candidacy always meet them. there are a lot of shots or-standing in front of her bus before talking to them. she seems to have taken a lot of cues from them. one of them, i think, is the politics of addition. there's only one person running on, like, i'm going to run and win and subtract from our politics and perhaps our country the people who disagree with me. and she's running alongside people who are the most iconic, conservative names in our country's history, the cheneys. how does that play with young people? >> i think we saw the biggest contrast this week. we have kamala harris saying i will appoint a republican to my cabinet. and you have donald trump saying, democrats are the enemy from within. and if you're just tuning in to politics and you're trying to figure out who you're going to vote for in this election, i think that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. if you're a young person in this

country, with so much at stake, even if you feel like your candidate is not getting to where you want 100% of the time, we recognize that this is a big tent and it takes all of us coming together. and i think young people see that in kamala harris. someone who is offering them a seat at the table. somebody who actually takes their concerns seriously. i'm just as a dad when i see her talking to young girls, the same way i'm worried about my daughter, thinking about her growing up in a country where she has fewer rights than our generation, than her grandmother's generation. watching kamala harris embrace young people and listen to them, not only listen to them, but to take them seriously, because any politician can listen to a student. or a student activist. leadership is actually taking what they have to say to heart and doing something about it. >> you just mentioned this thing that is my pet question. girl dads. i think that men -- we don't

always talk to men or cover men the right way on the question of reproductive health care and whether pregnancy if there's a complication should lead to death. but i have this theory that girl dads are taking in all this information. have you had any conversations or can you tell me what your conversations are on the trail when you knock on a door and they open and they're willing to listen? >> yeah, you know, i was so grateful to have the first lady in traverse city yesterday at our field office, and i mentioned this in my speech as a girl dad. the thought that one day my daughter hopefully will have grandkids one day, but the thought that my daughter could be in an emergency room one day and really this was inspired by what michelle obama had to say the other day. that speech was so powerful just as a dad thinking about the thought of my daughter being in an emergency room one day and hemorrhaging or having a miscarriage and having a doctor not want to treat her or be fearful of treating her because they could be thrown in prison or lose their license.

these are real world implications on our daughters and on the women in our life that we care about. i think right now is a very important time for men to speak up. for the women in their life. because we find ourselves at these tables with other men. i was in wisconsin at a union hall the other day, and you're talking to other guys. and this is really important to them too. they have daughters and women they love, too. >> i think, like, you know, women are going to -- women are most reliable voters and usually on the right side. but i think we shouldn't sleep on what men are going to do. a person in my outside of politics life came up to me and showed me a picture of his grand baby. i said, oh, my god. that must have been so emotional. he said i was worried the whole time if something happened to my daughter, they wouldn't take care of her. i thought, oh, my god. people get it. this has sunk in. this is the first presidential election in our country post dobbs. and everybody, it's not an issue

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i'm here to tell you, that's not what real strength is. it never has been. real strength is about helping people who need it and standing up for those who can't always stand up for themselves. that is what we should want in our daughters and our sons and that is what i want to see in the next president of the united states of america. >> i have never worked on or covered a campaign where someone had to say that. the strength is not the bully. strength is not the person picking on legal immigrants living and working in ohio. strength is not focused on the enemy within. strength is not using the united states military against fellow americans. i have never seen that before.

>> yeah, i saw this post the other day that really spoke to me, that if you have to turn off a president's really because you don't want your kids to hear, that person is probably not fit to be the president of the united states. you saw what we all saw at this madison square garden rally. i would never let my kids listen to that, the type of language that was being used and the way we were talking about fellow americans. and you're a fellow parent. you know as we're trying to raise our kids and teach them about strength and empathy and community and taking care of one another, and we're holding our 3-year-olds to a higher standard than the former president of the united states, as we watch a schoolyard bully try to take the white house back by dividing us and saying things about every single person he perceives to be different and an enemy, and in ways we would never allow our kids to say and we would never want them to hear. so i'm grateful that president obama gave that speech.

but it is a reminder that leadership is also what you say. and how you make people feel. and when i listen to kamala harris and think about the work that she will do on behalf of my kids, i feel something as a dad. i see a true leader, someone who cares deeply about families, not someone who is spending their time attacking people and saying such vicious, horrible, mean spirited things about our fellow americans. and that, i think s a testament of whether someone is fit to be our president if they care about us in the way they speak about us. >> the distillation is so stunning. trump has permitted the country to see his message distilled down to puerto rico is a garbage can in the middle of our -- his conduct both online and his public speech would get him kicked out of any public school in the nation. the conduct of the republican enablers. most schools will expel not just

the bully, but the people who watched and did nothing. >> yeah. >> that is today's republican party. >> yeah. yeah. i mean, watch -- and learning, i guess i should say, those jokes were pre-approved. those jokes that were said at madison square garden. those were loaded into a teleprompter. those were approved. the republican party and donald trump's campaign approved those comments being made about fellow americans. and then i watched kamala harris. and then i listened to tim walz. as a parent, you know, i'm focussed on a couple things. strengthening education, making sure that somebody is taking gun safety seriously in this country, protecting a woman's right to choose and then enhancing things like paid family leave, things that benefit families, making sure people can afford a home. start a small business. things that everyday families care about in michigan. and then you see a party approve comments like that, say this is who we are. this is how we feel about our fellow americans. and i think a lot of people are ready to reject that once and

for all and turn the page and hopefully we have a lot to celebrate next week. >> we get to look at this together. i mean, these people are ready to do just that. this is a crowd gathering in washington, d.c. to see the vice president on the ellipse. what are you hoping to hear? >> i want her to talk to families directly like ours. you know what it's like to have a hectic night at home. you put food on the table and don't want to tune into politics all day, everyday. >> ever. >> and if you turn on a speech and want to know what kamala harris thinks about this country and who she's fighting for, i think you're going to see it in tonight's message. she'll focus on the economy and making sure you can start a small business, afford a home. making sure we strengthen our department of education, not like donald trump who wants to gut it. >> give rid of it. >> doing right by folks in our armed services, i mean, i can't wait for her to deliver that

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♪♪ one guy called puerto rico, quote, an island of garbage. here is a good rule, if somebody does not respect you, if somebody does not see you, as fellow citizens with equal claims to opportunity, to the pursuit of happiness, to the american dream, you should not vote for them. [ cheers and applause ]. hi again, everyone. it's now 5:00 in new york. simple advice from former president barack obama. do not cast your vote for a politician who thinks that you do not matter. impactful words as the political shock waves from the racist comment about puerto rico spewed

at donald trump's pre-approved message rally in new york city over the weekend continued to reverberate in an impactful way. politico has new reporting about how those heinous comments are being felt heavily in the must-win state of pennsylvania. it is home to the third largest puerto rican population in the united states. norbert dominguez said this, quote, in allentown, it's spreading like wild fire through the community. it is not the smartest thing to do, to insult people. a large group of voters here in a swing state. and then go to their home asking for votes, he said. and yet, of course, that's exactly what the disgraced ex-president is about to do. in two hours time, trump is holding a rally in allentown, pennsylvania, a city with a large latino population. politico spoke with victor

martinez, an allentown resident, owns the spanish language radio station, he said of puerto rican voters in the area, if we with respect engaged before, we are all paying attention now. he added the morning radio show he hosts was chalk full of caller os monday sounding off about the trump rally comments. including a trump supporter telling people not to vote for the former president. just one week out from election day and the reaction to this gross remark has been strong, a crush of puerto rican celebrities including j. lo, ricky martin, bad bunny and marc anthony have all put support behind vice president kamala harris. take a look at the video marc anthony put out reminding us that comments like the one we heard on sunday are not just out of the blue. >> this is marc anthony. even though some have forgotten i remember what it was like when trump was president. i remember what he did and he said about puerto rico, about

our people. >> puerto rico. >> i remember after hurricane maria devastated our island, trump blocked billions in relief while thousands died. i remember when our families lacked clean water and electricity, trump threw paper towels and called puerto rico dirty and poor. i was not surprised because i also remember that he launched his campaign by calling latinos criminals and rapists. he told us what he'll do. he'll separate children from tear families and threaten to use the army to do it. this election goes way beyond political parties. let's remember what the united states represents and stands for. united. regardless of where we're from. i am marc anthony. and i remember. that's why i support kamala harris for president. >> i'm kamala harris and i approve this message. >> wow. puerto rico's largest newspaper just endorsed harris, saying the island has an ally in the vice president. and the archbishop of san juan

puerto rico called upon trump to disavow the comments and personally apologize for them. we won't hold our breath. he's not a big apologizer. we'll see if he does it. we'll be watching tonight in allentown. it's where we start the hour with some of our experts and friends. victor martinez the allentown radio host quoted in that great piece from politico joins us. former chief republican strategist and senior adviser to the lincoln project, stuart stevens joins us. with us at the table, democratic strategist ayisha mills is back. victor, take us through the calls you got. treasured data information we can get our hands on. >> listen, the callers yesterday and today have been clear. they are upset. they are mad. they cannot believe that this was said on such a stage. that any country can be called

trash. for us puerto ricans and of course, puerto rico. they're angry. they're upset. and they cannot believe it. >> what's interesting covering the trump story for nine years is that, i mean, trump has called countries shit hole countries. donald trump has talked about separating children and when confronted with the horror of an infant squeal said that the horror is the deterrent. he never backs down. he never apologizes. are you expecting him to apologize tonight for his political purpose? and do you think people will buy it? >> well, number one, no. i don't expect him to apologize. and i'm glad you asked that question because i specifically asked my audience this morning that. i told my audience, okay, so if all of a sudden trump finds god and decides that he wants to apologize or take back or distance himself from those comments, would it be okay? would you take it? audience overwhelmingly said no,

too late. some of them even said the train has left the station. he could have done it sunday. he could have done it monday. he could have done it this morning. and yet, he didn't. i had a listener who's very interesting because she called and she said, i follow trump on truth social. and he found time yesterday at 2:00. she was very specific, at 2:00 to go to truth social and criticize fox news for having michelle obama on the air but yet he hasn't found time to go to truth social and distance himself or apologize for what happened in his rally. so, those are the type of comments that i'm getting from the audience who obviously are now very engaged. and i will give you two pieces of breaking news. major puerto rican superstar don omar who has been part of the "fast and the furious" movies and very well known artist just posted on his social media, puerto rico is my homeland and

my identity. today more than ever i raise my island's flag in pride. it's time to turn the page. we are not going back. supporting kamala harris. and another piece of breaking news. jennifer gonzalez, the puerto rico representative in washington and now also candidate for governor in puerto rico, a strong trump supporter just now in puerto rico television said that these comments will cost donald trump in the state where puerto ricans live. >> i was on the air when donald trump made his trip to the island after it was devastated. and we focus a lot on the moment, right, sort of throwing t-shirts at a baseball game, the paper towel into the audience. but the substance of what he said and did was just as lacking in empathy or understanding. that these are our fellow

americans and they're suffering mightily. do you -- and there's so much that's been made about the in roads that donald trump has made in the latino community. do you think that this crystallizes who he really is and moves someone from trump to harris? or do you think it just suppresses the trump vote? >> no, absolutely. i think that this has energized and activated the puerto rican community like never before. you spoke about hurricane maria and what happened when he went to puerto rico. they say time heals all wounds. and i think time has passed. and even though we were upset with what happened after hurricane marimaria, we kind oft let it go. what happened on sunday has brought back all those feelings. what happened on sunday reminded us, oh, wait a minute, that's right. this is the guy who threw the paper towels. this is the guy that said we were poor and dirty. this is the guy who wanted to

trade us in like a used car. this is a guy who with held funding, approved by congress, to help us in the most needed time of our lives. oh, and now he's calling us trash. and the reason why i say he's calling us trash, even though he didn't say it himself, is because the fact that -- because he hasn't denounced it. because he hasn't distanced himself from it. he'sgreeing with it. it's like he said it himself. if i don't want someone to speak on my behalf, i would put a stop to it. he hasn't done it yet and we don't think he's going to do it. so it's interesting. one more thing, i made a comment that i said this was like a gift from the gods. what are the chances that kamala harris is at a puerto rican restaurant in philadelphia the same day at the same time that this is happening in the trump rally in new york.

what are the chances then a week before kamala harris put out that marc anthony spot that you played about reminding us what happened during hurricane maria and this happens on sunday at the trump rally in new york? >> you know, because trump is running to stay out of jail, i personally am always on alert for him to say and do anything. so in case he does, let me just play some of his remarks from the wake of hurricane maria. this is back in october, 2017. >> i hate to tell you, puerto rico, but you've thrown our budget a little out of whack. every death is a horror. but if you look at a real catastrophe like katrina, and you look at the tremendous hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people that died, and you look at what happened here with really a storm that was just totally overpowering. nobody has ever seen anything like this, and what is your

death count as of this moment, 17 -- >> 16 people. >> 16 people certified. 16 people. versus in the thousands. you can be very proud of all of your people, all of our people working together. 16 versus literally thousands of people. you can be very proud. >> i don't even know what to say someone like, 16 dead? i mean. it's unbelievable. >> i'm glad you played that audio because i was talking about that this morning. there was a report that i found on npr from september of that year where george washington university published a report where they were able to corroborate that there was 2,900 people that died because of the hurricane maria, because of the lack of medical services, because of lack of power, all due because of the hurricane. but not just that, after maria, there was a second hurricane that came in months later, after

that second hurricane, there was earthquake. we all remember the earthquake, they were happening for some reason in puerto rico for like two or three weeks every single day, two or three times a day. during that entire time, during that entire process, the trump administration was with holding funding already approved by congress to help puerto rico and the people in need. >> because he was mad. he was peeved. i want to ask you one more question because i think sometimes people in my chairs make the mistake of thinking this will only affect -- let's slice up the electorate. it's only going to affect the puerto rican living there. everyone is offended. just talk about how integral puerto ricans are to the whole commonwealth. to every community, it's not just you've offended the people who are puerto rican, everyone who loves them, relies on them, drives their kids to and from school, just talk about community and how the community

has been hurt by these words. >> absolutely. the puerto rican community is integrated with the dominican community in pennsylvania, in ore states. same thing with the mexican community, the colombian community. we are very integrated. we spend time with each other. like you said, we're married to each other. you may have a puerto rican man married to a dominican woman and now they have kids and those kids are puerto rican and dominican. we're proud of that. we're proud of that mix. so this absolutely offended more people than just puerto ricans. and very important to remember, there's about a million plus latinos in pennsylvania. about 500,000 of those are puerto ricans. about 300,000 of those are voters. so if 1%, if 2% of those puerto ricans decide to change their votes or now get out and vote, that could be the difference. that could be the tipping point for kamala harris to get the 19

electoral votes from pennsylvania. and by the way -- >> go ahead, go ahead. >> 100,000 puerto ricans in north carolina. you have about 50, 60,000 puerto ricans in arizona. >> yeah. >> wisconsin. i mean, you name it. and every swing state, there's over 50 to 100,000 puerto ricans. so this is not just pennsylvania. >> okay. i need you to stick around for this block. i need you to come back tomorrow after this. stick around. i want to show you the ad stuart stevens, let me bring you in on this. this is the lincoln project ad on this very topic. >> we are puerto ricans. and we are americans. but donald trump doesn't see us that way. we remember what he did to us after hurricane maria. we were dying by the thousands, while he threw paper towels at us, like we were a joke because he thinks we are garbage. >> i don't know if you guys know this, but there's literally a

floating island of garbage the middle of the ocean right now, yeah, i think it's called puerto rico. >> we are not a punch line. we know who we are. we are proud americans. proud puerto ricans. and we see who you are. you're a racist. you're a liar. you are the one that is garbage. and we know where real garbage belongs. in the trash. >> stuart stevens, my favorite line might be this one, we are not your punch line. donald trump has so normalized writing his frothy rotted base on the backs of other americans. that this could have been the kind of story that people certainly republicans shrugged off and said it was trump being trump. that was just a trump rally. this was a pre-approved loaded speech that appeared in a teleprompter that rolled at madison square garden in a tightly scripted program. akin to a normal political convention.

except it was anything but normal. this is his message, the message is his. and the price he's paying seems to be immediate and potentially consequential. >> you know what really stunned me about this, and you're been in this situation so many times, nicole, staffers were watching this when it happened. and nobody went to donald trump and said, look, when you go out on stage, the first thing you have to do is disavow what this guy said. because you otherwise are going to own it. and they didn't do that. which i think just speaks volumes. that whole event, right, i mean, took so much staff to put this on. so much time for this vanity event that ended up possibly costing them the election. it reelected whole dysfunctional quality of the trump campaign and how they govern. it's never about what is most effective. it's never about what you should do. it's always just about his ego.

and it's -- i think just a little microcosm of why he was a failed president and why it would be so dangerous to elect him again. >> i'm going to ask all of you to stay over. i know that wasn't the deal, but i want to show you one more thing. i want to bring ayisha in and tell you what jd vance had to say just really quickly. jd vance did respond. he said, quote, we have to stop getting so offended at every little thing in the united states of america. i'm just so over it. outdoing any tween, so other it. he went on to say if we get offended at every little thing, we should have a sense of humor and a little fun. that's where the trump campaign is, ayisha. >> so, at the end of the day, we know that donald trump and his people think that making fun of others and bullying and making other people the punch line, especially denigrating folks in this country who are not the majority, quote unquote,

population, is a winning strategy. and it's so ironic. because these same people wives are probably at home teaching their children to be kind and to not be bullies and to not say things to hurt people's feeling when they go to school. so for jd vance to constantly say, i flubbed. i lied. so what i'm going to keep lying because it moves my agenda. so what, we're going to keep making fun of people because it's funny and you need to lighten up and get over it. is really, i believe, not landing well with their own wives in the party and with conservatives who are decent. so i'm not sure to the point that was just made about who the staff is, right? why do they think that it's a winning political strategy to offend people and tell them to get over themselves. i think that at this point donald trump and jd vance are in a tiny little bubble that even the people around them knows is ridiculous. we'll take it, right? let them completely implode. but i just don't understand why frankly the women around them don't curb some of this

nastiness. >> i've been a staffer. the reason the staff doesn't jump in and fix it is because it's indiscernible from donald trump's record of past public statements. tell me what you're watching for in the coming days. >> i want to see how the puerto rican community continues to react. i want to see how many public figures you mentioned the -- one of the oldest and most popular newspaper in puerto rico just endorsed kamala harris. now we see jennifer gonzalez, a candidate for governor and trump supporter, i want to see how the next few hours and days will continue to see other public major figures within the puerto rican community continue to roll out their support for harris and their discontent with trump. there's something important i wanted to make sure you knew. so 70 or 80% of the puerto rican community in pennsylvania are

transplants from new york. it's what we call new yorkans. what i'm getting from those new yorkans is how upset they are, how mad they are that donald trump would allow someone to say something like this in their house, in new york city, where a million plus puerto ricans live. i had a listenering who told me, i'm from new york. i'm from the bronx. trump grew up with us. he's a new yorker. the puerto rican parade goes right in front of his building every year. how could he allow someone to say something like that in our house? >> so powerful. keep yours available between 4 and 6. we're going to continue to hear what your calls are. victor and stuart, thank you for starting this hour off on this. when we come back, donald trump has spent months priming his base of supporters for the new big lie. falsely without any evidence

suggesting that next week's election will be stolen from him. chris krebs, the top election security official kwho refused to go along with donald trump's false claims of election fraud in 2020 will be our next guest on the safety and security of this year's vote. also ahead, with one week to go, the disgraced ex-president's rhetoric is growing increasingly darker as the maga movement gets even more racist and flagrantly misogynistic. we'll be jo ined by mary trump, the ex-president's niece, to talk about that and much more. "deadline white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. quick break. don't go anywhere. can you blame them? they've got the biggest rivalries... ...and bowl games! speaking of, frank run a slant to the bowl of chips. bobby, button-hook to the salsa. what are you gonna do coach prime? don't question your coach, man.

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i want to start by saying it's going very well. there's some bad spots in pennsylvania where some serious things have been caught or in the process of being caught. but the election itself is going very well. we're leading, i believe, in all seven swing states. >> he actually said that. i read it. i hadn't seen it. there's no evidence that that's true. trump again pushing conspiracy theories about cheating in the election. just like he did four years ago. it is part of his plan to sew chaos and confusion and maybe worse so that he can contest and try to overthrow the election results, if he loses. in 2020, the ex-president's efforts to over throw the election results failed. but they did lead to deadly

consequences. the insurrection at the u.s. capitol and that was despite the fact that it was declared the most secure election in united states history by lifelong republican. this time around, republicans have organized in advance to try to aid the ex-president's efforts to steal the election if he loses. whether it be local election officials who have won seats, potentially refusing to certify results, or trump suggesting that he has a, quote, little secret election plan with house speaker mike johnson. republicans this time around are not standing on the line. they are all in. and out in the open on helping the ex-president disrupt and sew doubt and distrust in the 2024 election. despite the gop's sinister efforts to subvert the democratic process, just yesterday the director of cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency assured that

election infrastructure has never been more secure. joining our conversation, the former director of chris krebs is here now serving as the chief intelligence and public policy officer at the cybersecurity company sentinel one. we quote you so many times. we play your "60 minutes" interview so many times. the quote that sticks with me is we did everything right. you go back to raffensperger in georgia and ducey in arizona. the election was secure. the results can be trusted and trump spent the last four years sewing doubt, not just about 2020 but 2024. what are your thoughts today? >> well, i think the 2024 election will be more secure than 2020 was. we had jen easterly, the current director that succeeded me, who has put four years of effort into working with state and local election officials. i think they're the real strength of the system is the

tens of thousands of election officials that are out there day in, day out ensuring that i get to vote that you get to vote, that your viewers get to vote in a free, fair, safe, secure manner. i'm confident this election will be as secure as if not more than the last. >> when you see an $800 million check have to be written to dominion for lying about voting machines. when you see rudy giuliani had to turn over the keys to his apartment to shaye moss and rudy freeman. not nearly adequate compensation. when you see that law enforcement officers lost their lives by suicide and another means on january 6th and you see that the republican party's response was to amplify all those things. what do you think? >> well, what i'm seeing right now as i look out and all those things happened in the past. but what we're seeing right now is ballots in drop boxes getting set on fire. we're seeing officials in

indiana stealing ballots to mess up pre-election testing. so we're seeing these claims that are, you know, have no bases in fact, that the prior election was rigged or stolen, they carrying forward into today's election and we're seeing folks trying to disrupt this election despite the effort of those tens of thousands election officials. again, i have the utmost confidence in this election. i think everybody out there watching, whether you watch this network or some other network, you should have confidence that your vote is going to get counted and it's going to get certified. we're going to run forward to january 6th. and whoever wins, wins. >> what is your sort of way to help people understand how dangerous it is to lie about our elections? >> it's been a really rough four years, right? i've been out of government frankly longer than i was in government. and i still get out there and

talk to election officials. i get out there and talk to voters. i get out there and talk to voters that thought that the election was, in fact, stolen and i ask them why do you think that? and they bring up claims that, again, have no bases in fact. that were tossed out of court. not just because they didn't have standing because there were a number of case thats were determined on the merits. in 2020 was the most scrutinized election. it was the most litigated election. it was the most secure election. i think again, '24 is going to be as litigated, as scrutinized, as secure and we have to keep re-enforcing the facts with the american public. we have to point them to those voices of authority and credibility, like brad raffensperger and gabe sterling down in georgia. again, you talk about me being a lifelong republican. those guys are lifelong republicans but they are true public servants and they have that public servant's heart and they get out there everyday to ensure that regardless of who you are, what your political background is, that you get to

cast your vote in the furtherance of american democracy. >> i have to ask you for you as a voter, what is the most important quality? are you voting who respects the peaceful transfer of power and trusts the integrity of our elections. >> look, i've -- you say it all the time about me, my ears burn cob substantiately in the 4 to 6:00 p.m. hours, but it's about country other party. who is committed to american democracy, who's committed to the constitution, and look, i talk to a lot of folks i used to work with that have pointed out some of the concerns they have over the current rhetoric. and you know, we're of the same mind set. we have to get through this moment. we have to commit to our public institutions. we have to commit to electoral process and support it. and reinstate and reinstill confidence in this process.

>> are you supporting kamala harris to do that? >> look, i don't think it's any real secret of my prior job history with the former president. i'm going to get out there and vote next tuesday. i'm excited to vote. i think this is a critically important election. and i've said it before, but i'm voting for the one that supports the constitution and that's going to be vice president harris. >> your ears only bush because you're such an important person in this moment. so i thank you for fielding all those questions and for taking the time to talk to us. chris krebs, thank you. >> thanks. >> took a minute, but it is important, i think, for someone who was inside in 2020 and was the tip of the spear and should have been able to assure everyone that worked for trump or voted for trump or went into courtrooms and defended the lies

trump was telling about the election that it was the, quote, most secure election in american history. >> absolutely. and i want to just take a step back. i was thinking about this as you two were talking. why are we here? why is there a certain party that's trying to claim the game is rigged, that wants to throw out votes that wants to cut people off of the voter rolls. this harkens back to the fact that the modern day republican party is built on this idea that the less people in the process that are voting, the better their chances are. >> uh-huh. >> i think back to the '60s, right? keeping black people from being able to access the polls. coming up with all kind of tricks so that people have to count marbles or whatever it is in order to -- or pay a poll tax to even be able to cast their ballot. the guy who founded the heritage foundation, that gave us project 2025, was known to get out there and give these big speeches about how fewer people should vote. we win when less people vote,

right? we don't want everybody to vote. so, there is -- everyone should understand that there is absolutely a faction that believes not in inclusive democracy, full participation, but they win when other people are forced to stay home or aren't counted. and if that's any motivation for you to go to the polls, that should be it because there's a group of people who do not want you to have a say. and that's exactly why we should. and that's why this whole idea that the game is rigged and we need to throw out some votes because they don't count and people -- it's all just foolishness. at the end of the day, democrats believe that everybody should participate and that that's good for america. and that there are certain republicans who don't believe that. and that's what the problem is here. it's much bigger than, you know, donald trump and this moment. it's a historical issue that we're still wading through. >> always an echo, right, and a rhyme. a-isha, thank you. thank you for being here and having these conversations with us. when we come back, mary

trump, niece of the disgraced ex-president will be our guest as she witnessed her uncle's further dissent into all sorts of things. extremism, authoritarianism, incoherence. she has a warning to the country with one week left to go. mary trump joins us next. ft to o mary trump joins us next

i say that all due respect to women, and i love women -- >> they put her in and she somehow a woman, somehow she's

doing better than he did. they will take the life of a child in the 8th month, 9th month and even after birth. i am the least racist person in this room. in springfield, their eating the dogs, the people that came in. they're eating the cats. he's hitler. and then they say he's a nazi. i'm not a nazi. i'm the opposite of nazi. they're poisoning the blood of our country. our country is being poisoned. our country is going down. how can you say -- they've done very bad things to this country. they are indeed the enemy from within. >> we know who donald trump is. he shows us everyday. his angry, and rambling attempts at convincing americans otherwise are no match for his very off the cuff and very public misogynistic, racist, yes, fascist rhetoric. his dissent into what "the new york times" describes as new

levels of vulgarity, his anti-immigrant messaging that politico says is getting darker and his clear intention and public statement that he will rule like a dictator as his longest serving chief of staff publicly warned, i'll make it clear. we know who donald trump is. his own niece warns us of this, quote, none of this is new, of course, but donald's fascist rhetoric is worsening in terms of both its intensity and extremism. this i would argue is in large part because donald keeps getting away with it. when donald talks about using the military against his domestic opponents, when he praises dictators, when he explicitly states his plans to be a dictator on day one, he's telling us exactly what he intends to do with his power. if we are reckless enough to bestow it upon him. joining us is mary trump, donald trump's niece, founder of mary trump media. thank you very much. it's great to talk to you today.

we think of you all the time. let me ask you about how he seems to you. you've seen him around. does he -- how does he seem? >> he definitely seems worse in a couple of different way. i want to start by reminding people that this is a conversation that we could have had and indeed have four years ago when we were trying to alert people to the fact that donald was going to keep getting worse, if he was allowed to. and here we are. so, what we could not have predicted necessarily was how much worse he would be in terms of his health, other than normal ageing, his cognitive declines seems quite obvious to me. i'm not diagnosing him, but my grandfather, donald's father, had alzheimer's. so i know what that looks like.

so, we see the kinds of inhibition you referred to earlier. the tangential thinking, all of those are signs, potential signs, of cognitive issues. and on the other hand, i think the increasingly violent rhetoric, the terroristic tactics that he's using more and more frequently and that are becoming more and more extreme are part and parcel of his feeling like he is losing control over everything. and the only way donald has been able to survive, other than, of course, having ridiculous amounts of backup, is to contain himself and his world as much as possible. that's getting harder. >> i love your thoughts about trump doing this because he gets away with it. so that i don't ever call him a

name, i write down the insults that mitch mcconnell and lindsey graham saved for donald trump. lindsey graham likened him in mar-a-lago to visiting north korea. jd vance called donald trump, quote, america's hitler. and mitch mcconnell describes donald trump as, quote, a despicable human being. talk about the role of republicans saying what you and i might say. maybe not. i actually never said those things about him on tv. and then lying to trump's base of voters. >> that unfortunately is the extension of an extremely long pattern that goes back to my grandfather. my grandfather was a sociopath, somebody who is incapable of love. donald was willing to be of use

in the way that my grandfather needed. he was willing to be the killer. that put donald in the mold of somebody who could be of use to other powerful men. we have seen that happen time and time again. men or institutions. the media in some instances. banks in some instances and now the republican party. i think the most troubling think, you alluded to it in an earlier segment, is that the people who are now allowing this to happen either by staying silent or actively enabling him are doing its with their eyes wide open. and it's those people who really need to be pointed out and we need to make sure not only that donald trump never gets near the levers of power again, but none of those people does either. >> i want to press on this. i think your insights are

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trying to have americans point their finger at each other. fans the fuel of hate and division. and that's why people are exhausted with him. >> we're back with mary trump. i want to ask you why kamala harris triggers him so. i mean, he's really descended into an unbelievably sort of rabid, frothy visitee yoel toward her. he speaking longingly about joe biden. what is it about her that bothers him so much? >> she's better than him by every single metric. and she's beating him. i mean, it's really that simple. he's nostalgic nostalgic for th joe biden because in fairness, he was getting a huge assist by a lot of media outlets which focused almost exclusively on the question of age-related

cognitive decline, allegedly, of joe biden and donald was continuing to get a pass, but because vice president harris is so skilled and so brilliant and, quite frankly, understands him in a very deep way, the focus is shifting to his response to her which, as you said and as we saw in the clips at the beginning of the last segment, suggests that his misogyny and his racism and all of the isms are out of control. he cannot help himself because she embodies for him the people he believes he's entitled to -- to oversee, to beat to control, to rule over and it's just completely short circuiting what's left of his brain, honestly. >> we know about his obsession

with the size of things and arnold palmer and what not. let me show you the size of kamala harris' crowd. it's massive. >> it's one of my favorite things. >> what is that do to him? this is his favorite thing, the size of stuff, the size of crowds. hers are so much bigger. >> yeah. listen, he has always needed to make himself seem better, smarter, grander, richer, smarter, every single adjective that you think that's a positive attribute than he is because the worst thing you could be in my family was a loser, and donald knows he's a loser, and he has to -- so that's why these metrics matter so much to him because you can pretend you're smart. you can pretend you know more than the generals, et cetera, et cetera especially when you don't have people pushing back and

asking you for proof, but when there's visual evidence of the one thing that he has used more than anything else to prove how superior he is and he's losing that battle, that is going to get under his skin in a way very, very few things have, and honestly, that was probably the coup de grace during the debate, when she mocked his rallies. >> and tried to amp the crowds to go to them. go to his rallies. mary trump, it is always a privilege to get to talk to you. thank you so much for talking to us today. >> thank you. >> another break for us, we'll be right back. sh. even a term pn a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the

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