effort. she is trying to hit the battleground state and make the final appeals and get voters to the polls. i think a lot of this is mobilization is not -- they are trying to persuade people and get them off the sidelines and getting people to the polls and getting them excited and motivated to cast their ballots i think is what they are fighting against is the apathy and to get to the polls to vote' i think we will see the next few days with the big rallies. >> choose the ballot box and vote. white house reporter at kristaps porzingis -- "the washington post," thank you. thank you for getting up "way too early."

we know who donald trump is. he stood nearly at this spot nearly four years ago and sent an armed mob to the united states capitol to overturn the will of the people in a free and fair election. >> we won in a landslide. this was a landslide. >> an election that he knew he lost. >> we will never give up. we will never concede. it doesn't happen. you don't concede with -- >> americans died as a result of that attack. 140 law enforcement officers were injured because of that attack. >> and we fight. we fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country any more. >> it is a choice about whether we have a country rooted in freedom for every american or ruled by chaos and division. >> you'll never take back our

country with weakness. you have to show strength and you have to be strong. >> this is someone who is unstable, obsessed with revenge, consumed with grievance, and out for unchecked power. >> our fight against the big donors, big media, big tech, and others is just getting started. >> on day one, if elected, donald trump would walk into that office with an enemy's list. when elected, i will walk in with a to do list. >> the weak republicans and that is it. i really believe it. i think i'm going to use it the weak republicans. >> unlike donald trump, i don't believe people who disagree with me are the enemy. he wants to put them in jail. i'll give them a seat at the table. >> our media is not free. it's not -- it suppress thought.

it suppresses speech, and it's become the enemy of the people. >> if you give me the chance to fight on your behalf, there is nothing in the world that will stand in my way. >> today is not the end. it's just the beginning. >> vice president kamala harris' address yesterday at the ellipse compared to donald trump's rally the very same spot on january 6th, 2021, before his supporters stormed the capitol. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is wednesday, october 30th. along with joe, willie, and me, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at politico, jonathan lemire. u.s. special correspondent at bbc news, katty kay is with us. and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. joe, quite a speech last night.

the visuals were incredible. the speech, itself was trying to reach out to all americans at perhaps the most divisive time in modern american history. >> what matters the most is donald trump is the crowd size. the crowd size was absolutely massive. i could believe what i was looking at. it was just absolutely -- i mean, the people just came flooding in in support of kamala harris and i will say in contrast to what donald trump has said, i thought it was compelling. i loved the message last night and she kept going back to it, willie. she kept going back to how people that disagree with her are not the enemy. she doesn't want to put them in jail. she wants to put them around the table and listen to them and she kept talking about finding common ground. she kept talking about compromise. she kept talking about being the president of all americans, even

those americans who vote against her and what a marked contrast. there are so many distractions in this campaign. other news channels will get distracted with people who were not running in this campaign. what matters is what the two people who were running in this campaign are saying and what they are saying right now is this -- that for donald trump, if you oppose him, you're an enemy of america. you're an enemy from within. you're going to get arrested. and what kamala harris is saying is i'm going to bring america together. i'm going to compromise. i'm going to forge consensus and if you disagree with me, you won't be on my enemy's list. you'll be at my table and we will be talking about how to bring america together. and just so people don't think this is just some fake general

ity she went with illegal border crossings and what did she say? i will work with republicans to pass a tough bill that would have secured the southern border immediately. donald trump, he killed that bill because it didn't make sense for him politically. let's turn the page. let's move to a new chapter. let's work with those who may not agree with us all the time. >> yeah. it was, first of all, as mika said, the visual was striking. that was -- >> usa. >> -- the message we are here at the place on one of the darkest days in american history ban, january 6th, 2021. here with a massive crowd, as you said, joe. the original permit was for 8,000 people and then they moved it to 20,000 people and they said there might have been up to 75,000 people, not just in the scanned area for security, but outside that area as well, waving american flags and talking about freedom and

setting up the contrast. as deeply as we have been covering this race for, gosh, almost two years now, many americans as you talk about all the time, joe, tune in in this last week. even in the last weekend and they say, okay. i've heard a lot of noise. let me dial in and let me lock in and listen to what i'm dealing with here and they saw it on display last night and vice president harris talked about the petty tyrant that was king george iii and how the thrust for freedom invoking stone wall and the moment that americans pushed and fought for freedom and we are at this point again. she suggested we will not, this country, go back to another petty tyrant and talking about donald trump there. the contrast could not have been clearer. >> oh, my gosh. let's hear a little bit more from vice president kamala harris' major speech last night

in washington, d.c. she spoke to a crowd of the number that we are looking at here is about 60,000 people, that is according to an nbc news estimate. for perspective, the house committee that investigated the january 6th attack estimated 55,000 people attended trump's speech there that day. the vice president's speech laid out the threats the former president poses to our democracy and the kind of president she would be. >> look. we know who donald trump is. he is the person who stood at this very spot nearly four years ago and sent an armed mob to the u.s. capitol to overturn the will of the people in a free and fair election. an election that he knew he

lost. americans died as a result of that attack. 140 law enforcement officers were injured because of that attack. and while donald trump sat in the white house watching as the violence unfolded on television, he was told by his staff that the mob wanted to kill his own vice president. and donald trump responded with two words -- so what. america, that is who donald trump is. and that is who is asking you to give him another four years in the oval office. for as long as i can remember, i have always had an instinct to protect. there is something about people being treated unfairly or overlooked that, frankly, just

gets to me. i don't like it. it's what my mother instilled in me. a drive to hold accountable those who use their wealth or power to take advantage of other people. the drive to protect hard working americans who aren't always seen or heard and deserve a voice, and i will tell you that is the kind of president i will be. and, look. i'll be honest with you, i'm not perfect. i make mistakes but here is what i promise you. i will always listen to you, even if you don't vote for me, i will always tell you the truth, even if it is difficult to hear. i will work every day to build consensus and reach compromise

to get things done, and if you give me the chance to fight on your behalf, there is nothing in the world that will stand in my way. on day one, if elected, donald trump would walk into that office with an enemyenemies'ly. list. when i walk in, i'll walk in with a to do list, full of priorities of what i will get done for the american people. and i will work with everyone -- democrats, republicans, and independents -- to help americans who are working hard and still struggling to get ahead. nearly 250 years ago, american was born when we rested freedom from a petty tyrant.

across the generations, americans have preserved that freedom, expanded it, and, in so doing, proved to the world that a government of, by, and for the people is strong and can endure. and those who came before us, the patriots at normandy and seneca falls and stonewall, on farmlands and factory floors, they did not struggle, sacrifice, and lay down their lives only to see us seed our fundamental freedoms. they didn't do that. only to see us submit to the will of another petty tyrant. >> you know, i've been told

through the years since doing this work that people come up and say, why can't politicians work together? why can't they compromise? why are they always campaigning and always taking one extreme side or the other? why can't they follow the dream that america works best when we work together, that it's a government of the people, for the people, by the people, for the people. jon meacham, some words last night, i wrote some of them down here that we have not heard from perfect. i'm not perfect, i make mistakes. that is not weakness but political strength to say that. i will listen to you and always tell you the truth, even when it's hard. i will build consensus and i

will compromise to get things done. when i go into the white house on my first day, unlike donald trump, i will have a to do list, while he will have an enemies' list. by the way, he has already told us that. i think what is so compelling is we have talked about these people, old line republicans that have been desperately trying to make excuses to vote for a guy who says he is going to be an auto crat and here is kamala harris last night saying if you disagree with me, i'm not going to put you on an enemy's list and i won't insult you. i'll before you to the table and we will work together for consensus and for the betterment of the american people. that doesn't sound like donald

trump. in fact, it doesn't sound like a lot of politicians we have heard over the past 30 years. >> no. you know, president kennedy referred to the office as the vital center of action and one of the questions we always face is what going to be the action of the person that we have put at the center of that arena. that is not a term. we are shaped by the action often by the leaders and the led. and we are only as good as we are. but we can be made a little better if you have a president who speaks the way and who has conducted herself in the way the vice president has. i thought the speech last night was fully part of an american vernacular where you can agree

or disagree with this tax rate or that tax rate, but you know what you're getting. you're getting someone who will take the oath seriously. you're getting someone who actually sees under -- as she said, she is not perfect. no one can cannonizing anybody here but we know what we are getting. >> right. >> the question is do you want a president you would recognize who is working in a tradition that at least goes back to lincoln, maybe even jackson. jackson, lincoln, fdr, kennedy, reagan presidency. or do you want to risk this on someone's own appear tights are self-evidently consuming? i know where i stand. >> yeah. katty kay, i think also for a lot of people in that audience and people watching, they are looking for someone's policies and decisions they can depend on because i think it's well

documented that donald trump will say one thing and do another, which is why it's so confusing that so many people, even these brilliant billionaires will bend to him thinking that is going to help them in some way. you don't know where he is going to land with a democrat or a republican. if he doesn't like something, he'll change his mind because he doesn't plan to rule like an american president in a democracy. but in terms of policies and decisions that they can depend on, i think what she stands for, for a lot of folks, especially the younger generation and men and woman who love them, what they see is a person who will pull back the health care bands that are killed women, injured them, sterilized them, traumatized them and their families. she represents something tangible that is happening now and that is injuring people now, women now. and she represents something that she will pull back on those restrictions that donald trump put in place. >> so you've done an amazing

job, mika, this week of highlighting women who are affected right now as we are having this conversation by those health care bands who are getting close to death and some awful cases, have died. >> not even women with pregnant but people with emergencies with reproductive organs and they need health care. they literally cannot have them. the law is against them. doctors are afraid to treat 24e78 them. >> it's so good i think in this moment we are hearing those stories and that kamala harris is remaining focused on those stories. i think what we are seeing in some of the early voting numbers with women voting at disproportionate numbers. women are turning out. they are turning out in big numbers and for this this is a critical election. at the same time, you have nikki haley going on fox news a few days before the election this

culture is i think when he described is too edgy and basically what she is saying will put women off. you're hearing a double down on alpha masculinity and kamala harris saying we are big enough in america and we can take from one and make one country and for me having lived here so long, that is america's most powerful asset. >> the masculinity they are pushing out you saw at madison square garden and the trump campaign and his accolades. i never meant and alpha man who didn't want to take care of his wife when she is in need and bleeding out. those are not real men. >> they say donald trump's campaign is making women uncomfortable and warning donald trump he is going to lose women voters and perhaps the election because of what we saw at madison square garden as a distillaion of that. donald trump is saying this is who we are and what i stand for

and the people i want in my tent, contrasted with what we saw from vice president kamala harris with the white house behind her and american flags waving and saying this is the america that i want moving forward. >> one other aspect to it that struck me. the signs, huge signs scattered around the collection of 75,000 people with just one bold word -- freedom. and, you know, i'm older than you guys and i'm rooted in a neighborhood that i still see when i shut my eyes growing up and i was thinking of janis joplin's song "freedom is another word for nothing left to lose." i was thinking about the families and friends on the street who had a lot left when they came here to ellis island and build families and built structural foundations for their

families in the future. i was thinking of the street i grew up and so many men coming back from the war and having lost a lot in the war and having lost their innocence and their friends many of them but never losing their feeling for this country, the united states of america. they came back from world war ii and they built a newspaper country. they built homes and they worked in factories and they raised families and always the word freedom was precious to them because they fought for it. the idea that we are now less than a week away really from an opponent of kamala harris' who will guarantee declare victory at 9:30 or 10:00 next tuesday night and put this whole concept of freedom. >> whether he wins or loses -- the roots of the united states of america in peril again. >> for sure. >> yeah. >> 100%. >> you know, we, of course, a lot of news coming out of pennsylvania, puerto rican

communities being upset about what was said at the trump rally. donald trump still is not back off of that. i know his campaign was fighting about whether to apologize or not. they did put out a statement and so we will see how that plays out. yesterday, joe biden said something off the cuff while he was on a phone call and then later, on corrected that in a statement. but that was driving the news on fox news all day yesterday. at the end of this campaign, what it comes down to is what the candidates say and what i've been saying here and been recommending, what kamala harris has been saying is listen to what donald trump is saying. listen to his words. when he promises you, basically, 20% sales tax increase through his tariffs, believe him.

because he says tariffs are beautiful. he says that is going to jack up the prices on america and it will be, like, if he is talking about 20% tariffs that is a 20% sales tax increase on the clothes you buy, on the groceries you buy, on everything that you buy. then you listen to kamala harris last night and she is talking about bringing people together. she is not only talking about it but saying i'm in the middle and i'm going to form consensus and i'm going to work with the people who don't agree with me and i'm going to work with the people who didn't vote for me and i will not consider them my enemies, i will consider them my partners. this is what i love to see in politicians. they will work with everyone and they understand the second they are elected, they are president

of all the united states. i wished donald trump felt that way. i wish he had felt that way in 2016 and i wish he felt that way when he lost in 2020 and i wish i felt that way in this campaign and that would make his job and it would make his life and administration easier. it would have made it so much easier. but kamala harris is getting it right. it can't be us against them. that always ends up badly in the end. jim miklaszewski jonathan lemire, speaking of ending up badly in the end. freddie freeman started it out right but the yankees are coming back. it's time to duck. here come your yankees.

>> 2003 has not been pulled off since then but it's coming. brace yourself. you brace yourself. the dodgers jumped out to an early lead last line. freddie freeman four straight home runs. yankees looked dead but volpe hit a grand slam. yankees win 11-4. they do force a game five. that will be tonight in the bronx. gerrit cole is going, their ace. they win that, they are up 3-2 and they got momentum and the pressure shifts to the dodgers when the series would go back to l.a. so we will be watching that. few other things here, joe. you mentioned the controversy over the comedian's comments about puerto rico at the donald trump madison square garden rally on sunday. trump had an event yesterday in allentown, pennsylvania. sizeable puerto rican speakers. trump did not address the

controversy but claimed he has done more for puerto rico than any other president and we know that certainly is not the case. you mentioned president biden last night kind of kicked off a firestorm himself. he was on a zoom with latino supporters, urging them to vote early and he addressed the puerto rican comments and what he said was, i'll read a little bit here from the transcript. he says that i know puerto ricans from my hometown state of delaware are good, honest people. the only garbage i see floating out there is his supporters and his demonization is not american. some say meaning his supporters meaning donald trump supporters meaning all trump supporters. saying the president is calling them garbage. white house is saying he is talking about his supporter meaning the comedian his comments are unconscienceable and un-american.

the president tried to clean it up last night and it is certainly a controversy that the white house and harris campaign is dealing with today and as the right tries to make it, we are showing the tweet here from the president. president said something immediately and tried to clarify it, joe, but certainly a story on the right who are trying to paint this to be the next basket of deplorables. >> of course. donald trump says shocking things every day on fox news and all of his people immediately go to it and brush it off and explain it away or completely ignore it. here, they are trying to make a fire storm out of something if you look at it. you see what he said immediately afterward and donald trump and

he said i was talking about the comedian and people who support that kind of talk. joe biden doesn't believe that. i forget what state it was but it was during a hurricane -- after a hurricane, i believe, and joe biden went in and he went in and talked to the crowd and talked to a big trump supporter and joked with him and put the hat on him. again, trying to bring people together. even saying, hey, i'll wear your trump cap. we are on the same team. that is the type of leadership you want. >> yeah. it could be a case and people can watch and judge for themselves of president biden not being able to put the thought together the way he wanted to which is kind of what he suggested later. he's not running and not owe at the top of the ticket but an apostrophe as jon said. people should decide for themselves if they think that is something joe biden should say given his career and his life

that all trump supporters are garbage. mika, we had one of those interviews last night that we have seen in the genre on fox news and a host interviews donald trump and tries to coach him to the right place and get him to the right thing and he tried to get him to condemn the puerto rican joke, i guess we can call it a joke and donald trump said, okay, probably the guy shouldn't have been there and talking about the comedian as far as he would would do to try to condemn that. >> as joe pointed out you have to listen to him and understand his threats and believe him. when he's on defense you need to fact check what he says when he is on the defense. when it comes to springfield, ohio, he doubles down on his lies. you need to fact check it. when you talk about insulting detroit, i don't even know why he would do that, but he never pushed back on that.

on this puerto rico issue, last night, he was saying he has done everything, he was the best president for puerto rico, he is going to be everything for puerto rico. i just remember him wanting -- am i wrong? didn't he want to sell puerto rico? >> yeah. >> a trade. straight up trade, i think. >> straight up trade and also didn't want to give them the financial support they needed after a hurricane. >> he says he did. >> i think a mayor or somebody, maybe a governor, somebody had said something he didn't like so he got angry so he wanted to punish the entire island because of it. i will say, though, again, in contrast, in contrast to donald trump, who just can't admit that he makes mistakes, listen to this. i am not perfect. i make mistakes. jon meacham, before we go to break, i remember one time listening to ronald reagan on

the campaign trail. they asked him a question and he goes, i don't know. i think it was in the '76 campaign. reagan said, i don't know. i'll have to get back to you. and this is the thing. i always found while campaigning, when you did something like that, or if you did the whole bill clinton thing, what do you say about the republicans who have come up with this idea? bill clinton would say i think that is a great idea, we should do it. the very things that politicians are trained not to do are the very things that americans love. when they go, as kamala harris said, i make mistakes. when ronald reagan admits, i'm not an all knowing being. i don't know. let me check on it and i'll get back to you. those sort of things. it's something that donald trump is, i think, temperamentally incapable of doing because he says i'm the greatest neurosurgeon ever. i am the greatest ditch digger

ever. i am the greatest oil rig operator. whatever you're talking about, he is going to i'm the greatest at australian rules football you will ever see. whatever it is, he'll say he is the greatest. sometimes americans want to hear politicians say, i don't know. i'm human. what kamala harris said, i am not perfect. i make mistakes. but i'm going to listen to you. just the opposite of donald trump last night who couldn't even say up front to sean hannity when sean was trying to get him to say, you know what? the comedians shouldn't have been there, that was a big mistake, and i'm sorry, i take it on my shoulders and we will do better next time. >> yeah. it's an article from the goss sell according to roy cone. deny, deny, deny, right? and it's, you know, if america were just simply a tabloid

world, you know, that would be interesting and trump would be an interesting character and we could follow it from day-to-day, hour-to-hour, you know, with him as this unfolding character that he was in the "new york post" and the daily news in the '80s and now with nato and the nuclear codes. that is not progress, america. churchill had a great incidentally sight. he said basically, populous will do what it takes if they are convinced of two things about a leader. one is that they are not lying to us, they are not lying to the people. and the second is that they, themselves, are not kidding themselves. not as churchill put it, dwelling in a fool's paradise. and that is the key, right? if we can check those two boxes and part of not dwelling in a fool's paradise is understanding that we are all human and we all

make mistakes, lord knows i do, and the thing that is absolutely essential is to keep learning from it, acknowledge it, learn from it. you know, can you have repentance without confession? hard to do that. >> hard to do that. i talked about ronald reagan saying, i don't know. people like it. we could also take it from the management genius of paul mccartney. he lands with the beatles at jfk in 1964. he is standing in front of a packed room, of very skeptical and very hostile reports who start by saying, people say you're no good. what do you say to that? mccartney said, we are not. why are you here? he looks around. everybody dies laughing! and from that point on, they own the room! it's okay to say you're human. it's okay to say, you make mistakes. it's okay to say, i've learned

from my mistakes or i'm still learning from my mistakes, i'm going to get better. i just go back to kamala harris saying, i'm not perfect. that is why i need to reach out, find consensus, find compromise, find a better way forward. >> yeah. i think you reach more people. now i understand the 47 signs at trump's rallies. it's 47 percent. it's the ceiling that they are celebrating because it just doesn't seem like you can add if you're not being human, like you were describing, joe. jon meacham, thank you so much. still ahead on "morning joe," we will be joined by a senior adviserharris/walz campaign following the speech last night and we will play for you that comment from former republican presidential candidate nikki haley criticizing the trump's campaign following the former president's

msg rally and what she is saying is next. >> i have no idea who he is. somebody said it was a comedian joked about puerto rico or something. i have no idea who it was. never saw him. never heard of him and don't want to hear of him, but i have no idea. they put a comedian in, which everybody does. you throw comedians in. you don't vet them and go crazy. it's nobody's fault. but somebody said some bad things. now, what they have done is taken somebody that nothing to do with the party and nothing to do with us said something and they try to make a big deal. >> you wish he wasn't there? >> yeah. i mean, i don't know if it's a big deal or not but i don't want anybody making nasty jokes, stupid jokes. probably he shouldn't have been there, yeah. ve been there, yeah. you'll definitely want to hear. depending on the plans available in your area, you may be eligible to get extra benefits with a humana medicare advantage dual-eligible special needs plan. most plans include the humana

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this is not a time to have anyone criticize puerto rico or latinos and no time to get with this bro mance thing they have going. 63% of the electorate are women. women will vote. they are care about how they are being talked to and they care about the issues. they need to remember that. this is a time of discipline and this is a time of addition. i think it's harmful. i mean, look. there is no reason to have a comedian at an election campaign event that had so much energy and so many good issues. why have a comedian that

separates people. this isn't about people being sensitive. puerto ricans that is sensitive to them and take that personally and they were right to denounce the comedian and need to tell puerto ricans how much they value them and need to tell latinos that but need to look how they are talking about women. this bro mance and masculinity stuff borders on edgy and make women uncomfortable. >> i can point to another point that nikki haley was talking about where women feel uncomfortable sometimes when trump talks about them to them, especially after the overturning of roe, but at this women's town hall that was hosted by fox, and it was the most luxurious and comfortable environment for him. he was not going to get a hard question. he was not going to get someone who greed with him and he would not be held accountable on anything. he was asked about ivf. in the course of 30 seconds, he starts out by saying, i'm the

father of ivf and as sort of a joke but everyone was like this. then he starts talking about how a very attractive senator, very, you know, hot woman called him is what his insinuation was to teach him about ivf and now he knows so much about ivf. i don't know how disconnected you could be from the very voters who are scared to death, people who depend on ivf, to be able to have a family and, of course, the health care they need. >> yeah. i think everything that nikki haley said in that clip is something be worth the trump campaign listen to. she also said earlier in the interview that they have not -- she has not spoken to donald trump since early june and, yet, she described herself as being on stand-by. this is somebody who took 20% of the voters in the primary race when she was no longer in the race. a chunk of trump voters would do

well to pursue that and they haven't lifted up the phone. she says she is waiting to try to work for the campaign. i thought what she pushed back on there because you've heard some trump people saying can't we make a joke any more about the madison square garden comedian and the way she pushed back says this isn't a joke. people feel sensitive about this and this matters to them. imagine if something called your hometown or state and denigrated the way it was. she said this went too far and all they needed to do was apologize and say women are not liking what they masculinity. donald trump is posting manhood is under attack and that is not happening. >> willie, i have not met one alpha male who doesn't want to take care of his wife and daughters every way possible and wants every bit of health care available to them.

i don't know of one. >> the republican leaders who scurry behind donald trump calling themselves alpha is a definition after beta doing whatever you're told by another guy. >> yeah. >> katty is right. nikki haley said donald trump has not called me since june. sort of like throwing up a red flag and saying, it's actually political malpractice. it's actually insane in races in states that might be decided in four digits. >> anyone surprised? >> not to court nikki haley's voters but his ego is such that he can't bring himself to do that. one last thing she and others have said. it's about this one joke from this comedian, we need to condemn that. it wasn't one joke from one comedian. that entire night and the entire thesis of donald trump's campaign is divisiveness and it was joked by the one comedian, but come on. it was the entire night. >> it was the entire night. i love how they are trying to

break it down to one after you get past the trump rally talking about puerto ricans being garbage, you then have the comedian finding a black man in the crowd talking about watermelon and watermelons. you have one of donald trump's aides that are going to be help run his administration channeling hitler who said germany for germans and now steven miller saying america for americans, which, of course, is fascinating. again, contrast with ronald reagan's farewell address and it's just really stark. i did think, though, mike, that is you listen to what kamala harris said last night. mika has been talking an awful lot about women's health care choices and women who were left to bleed out and women without medical care and women who are in crisis, who are given post-it

notes about go back to other states. instead of doctors there trying to save their lives. >> yes. >> and i thought it was wonderful last night, kamala harris saying something i really appeal to liber libertarian/conservatives when she said, listen, we all have different faiths and we are all going to look at these issues differently because of our different faiths. maybe we read the bible and look at issues from two different vantage points. but regardless of our faiths and backgrounds, no american should want their health care choices, their wife's health care choices governed by the government. it should be up to individual people and their beliefs based on their faith, based on their

life, based on their beliefs, based on their experiences. >> their doctor. >> well, that gets back to the encompassing word freedom that was posted on signs throughout the rally last night as kamala harris spoke. yeah, you're absolutely right, joe. i mean, the freedom, you know, to make your own choices is under peril and one of the interesting aspects of it certainly is going to be the weight of this issue in terms of women coming out to vote. i had a friend of mine, very good friend of mine who knows nebraska intimately and telling me the other night that the democratic district in nebraska, the famous just single district in nebraska, kamala harris is 12 points up in the polls, due largely to the flood of women voters. the whole aspect of what we just been talking about here this morning, including willie's referencing the interview with sean hannity last night, it occurred to me maybe more americans should ask themselves

a simple question about donald trump -- have you ever heard donald trump say the following words -- i'm sorry? never. >> nope. all right. coming up, a "the new york times" magazine investigation finds republicans have taken control of election boards in some key battleground states, laying the groundwork to potentially deny the results of the presidential election. the reporter behind that piece, jim rutenberg joins us straight ahead on "morning joe." i don't think anybody has ever seen like what happened the other night at madison square garden. >> she is fake! a fraud! she is a pretender! her and her pimp handlers will destroy our country! >> in fact, she is the devil whoever screamed that out! she is the anti-christ! >> the love -- the love -- the love in that room, it was

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the new york kid, bases loaded, two out. cranks a ball, deep left field! volpe with redemption. >> grew up a yankee fan, hits a grand slam in the world series. that's a go ahead grand slam against the dodgers last night, down 2-1, looking bleak, that shot waking up the yankees. freddy freeman started the game again with a two-run home run. six consecutive world series

games with a home run. first player ever to do that. after volpe's in the third, austin wells a shot into the deck. one of five runners driven in by the eighth. including a three-run home run. and the first rbi of the series for aaron judge, a single but we'll take it. the yankees complete the first step of a comeback. avoiding the sweep with an 11-4 win at home. tonight, back in the bronx in game 5. had to get one at least. >> very nice win. >> it's a nice win. >> listen, garrett cole tonight. give him a complete game if he wants it. do not walk on the mound and take the ball from him. and maybe goes back to l.a.

just don't do it at our place. if you celebrate, do it in l.a. >> you don't want them dancing on your lawn. >> yeah. how about volpe, was at the yankees parade as a kid in 2009, hits the grand slam, you can get on board with that, right? >> i can, actually. for a while. >> to a point. two yankees fans, there's volpe in 2009. ejected in the first inning should be for life at one of them prooid open mookie betts' glove. wait for the replay betts making the catch but look at this, he's prying it open. >> only in new york. >> are you kidding me? >> and the ball goes. >> batter ruled out by the

umpire. fan interference, of course. they were escorted out of the stadium. they're allowed back for game 5 tonight. i highly doubt that's true. it cannot be true. someone posted are these two snl characters doing cartoon versions of new york fans. this is our area here, take a step back. yelling at mookie betts as they pried open his glove. >> wrapping sports early today. i'm wrapping. it's good. >> that was good. even i enjoyed that. >> that's not helpful. >> i had no idea what was going on but i did like that. >> we'll take a quick break and then we'll take a look at some grim possibilities about the election with investigative reporter jim rootenberg when we come back. ootenberg when we come back. her plans cut middle class taxes and price gouging, protect medicare and social security,

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welcome back to "morning joe." it is wednesday, october 30th, jonathan lemire and katty kay are still with us. joining the conversation we have associate editor at the "washington post" joining us. he's the author of the new book entitled war, which just landed at number one on "the new york times" best-sellers list. congratulations. also with us writer for the times and the times magazine jim

rootenberg. joe, where to begin? especially sitting here with a member of "the washington post." >> yeah. i love to start with not only an employee of "the washington post," but the legend of "the washington post" along with carl burnstein we wrote the rules for political reporting which is why your concerns about "the washington post" withholding an editorial for president that had been written 11 days before the election why you're so disturbed by it. i'm moved by the back story about your reporting which, of course, we now all know about but you said time and again you guys ran up against a brick wall but you always had the support not only of the editorial page but even of the legendary cartoonist herb block. >> exactly. and katherine graham, the owner

who said look, do this. we're going to back you and what carl burnstein and i wrote about the nixon administration, was controversial, denied. we were out alone but we had that backing and, as you say, even herb block would do a cartoon about all the secrets in -- that are hidden in the nixon white house. >> "the washington post," like any institution is strong when it stands together. and this is a case where i believe great reporting that "the washington post" has done on donald trump should be backed up 100% by the editorial page. >> how disturbed are you that the editorial page wanted to endorse a candidate just like

"the new york times" editorial page was ready to endorse a candidate and their billionaire owners stepped in and nixed the idea. >> that's what they can do. i know jeff bezos. i haven't talked to him for a while. i haven't talked to him about this. but this is a super mistake. let the paper operate. let the news side and the editorial side work together. they actually should. during watergate that's exactly what happened. and to just kind of say oh -- anyway. it's disturbing. >> it doesn't feel like a mistake to me. i'll take that as my words. i know you call it a mistake. a big mistake. >> why? >> well, the -- the statement that jeff bezos put out

conflicts with the statement "the washington post" put out. it seems to me that jeff bezos is bending to trump. it may not be a deal for something tangible right now but he's bending to trump. >> i don't know that but i just think he should -- hands off. hands off. when katherine graham and don graham were publishers of "the washington post," they backed -- >> they were brave. >> -- the reporting always and many times it was controversial. >> right. hard. >> i say many times alone. and to put the newspaper -- i mean, it just makes no sense. jeff bezos' statement, this kind of idea, i want you to know i'm operating on principle here, you shouldn't have to say that. >> exactly. bob, thank you. let's get back to vice president kamala harris' speech last night in washington d.c.

according to an nbc news estimate she spoke to a ground around 60,000 people. her address weaved her own priorities with the danger of a possibly second term for donald trump. >> donald trump has told us his priorities for a second term. he has an enemies list of people he intends to prosecute. he says that one of his highest priorities is to set free the violent extremists who assaulted those law enforcement officers on january 6th. donald trump intends to use the united states military against american citizens who simply disagree with him. people he calls, quote, the enemy from within. america, this is not a candidate for president who is thinking about how to make your life

better. this is someone who is unstable, obsessed with revenge, consumed with grievance, and out for unchecked power. donald trump has spent a decade trying to keep the american people divided and afraid of each other. that is who he is. but, america, i am here tonight to say, that is not who we are. that is not who we are. i pledge to seek common ground and common sense solutions to make your life better. i am not looking to score political points. i am looking to make progress. i pledge to listen to experts. to those who will be impacted by the decisions i make.

and to people who disagree with me. unlike donald trump, i don't believe people who disagree with me are the enemy. he wants to put them in jail. i'll give them a seat at the table. i pledge to you to approach my work with the joy and optimism that comes from making a difference in people's lives. and i pledge to be a president for all americans. and to always put country above party and self. my presidency will be different because the challenges we face are different. our top priority as a nation four years ago was to end the

pandemic and rescue the economy. now our biggest challenge is to lower costs costs that were rising even before the pandemic and that are still too high. i get it. i still remember our mother sitting at that yellow formicah table, late at night, cup of tea in hand, a pile of bills in front of her trying to make it all work. and i have heard from so many of you who are facing even greater financial pressures. donald trump's answer to you is the same as it was the last time, another trillion dollars in tax cuts for billionaires and big corporations. and this time, he will pay for it with a 20% national sales tax on everything you buy that is imported. think about it. clothes, food, toys, cell phones.

a trump sales tax that would cost the average family nearly $4,000 more a year. and on top of that, you will pay even more if donald trump finally gets his way and repeals the affordable care act. which would throw millions of americans off their health insurance and take us back to when insurance companies have the power to deny people with preexisting conditions. well, we are not going back. we are not going back. >> there's so many contrasts here. and again, i'm struck by people who claim that kamala harris doesn't talk about the issues. i'm struck by all the excuses they try to make. if you talk about the contrasts on issues, you have kamala harris talking about tax cuts. not for billionaires or

multinational corporations which donald trump is promising to do. but tax cuts for working americans, tax cuts for small businesses, for entrepreneurs for family restaurants for first-time home buyers, for parents. so there's great contrast there. but also contrast of their backgrounds. you have somebody from a working class family, a middle class family, versus a billionaire who inherited hundreds of millions of dollars from his father. so there's a great contrast about somebody who really understands what working americans are going through. but then, you have -- and this is a great, great topic for bob woodward to talk about -- character. enemy's list for donald trump versus a to do list for kamala harris. and she talks about her campaign being about joy and optimism,

about compromise and consensus. about putting country over self. about putting country over party. and yet, bob, you've documented it in your books "fear and rage" and we've all seen it play out the past several months in this campaign that donald trump is the antithesis of someone who would put country over self. country over party. and instead of putting together a to do list for day one for the american people, he's talking about an enemy's list. going after nancy pelosi, going after adam schiff. going after cbs news. going after anybody who disagrees with him. >> yes, he does. and you played that speech by vice president harris, i just extracted some notes from a

meeting this summer that the vice president had with bb netanyahu. it was closed doors. i got some notes about the meeting. she was tough with netanyahu. in a way that he did not like at all. and then -- she's saying look at what's going on in gaza is unconscionable. an unconscionable humanitarian disaster. then she went out to the press and said exactly the same thing. and said, i will not be silent. netanyahu was furious, but he knew she may be the next president of the united states so he didn't say anything. so her willingness to go get in his face, the motto, i will not

be silent, is one of the things she ought to hang around her neck with pride. >> jim, you listen to that speech and obviously inflation, abortion, and the border and all the issues are central to the decision. but at the end of the day it may come down to some people, perhaps just enough people, they just don't want to go back to the politics we've endured the last ten years which is waking up every morning and wondering what the president did or said or tweeted or who he assaulted. they wanted to go back when you hear from the president a couple of times a week at a bill signing or foreign trip or something like that. it's just a feel and energy she taps into with a speech like that when she says we're not going back to that. we're going forward. >> i remember that moment, that convention speech where you saw this in a powerful way in prime time and you saw that was going

to be a powerful message but that country is so divided. the voters are so hard set that we'll know in a few days, you forget what this time of year feels like every four years it seems like a powerful message then, she's sticking with it and brought it home again last night. >> you look at how tight this is going into tuesday, i think a lot of people are starting to think what happens afterwards. mike was on the program earlier and said 9:30 p.m. on tuesday night whether he won or not, we can guarantee that donald trump is going to declare victory and the days that follow the election and how that gets sorted out and the amount of processes the republicans put in place to try to litigate this, whether fairly or unfairly after the election, people are concerned about that already. >> no question. there are some people i spoke to inside and outside of government who feel what republicans have worked up to contest this year's

election results will dwarf what they did in 2020. we're seeing it from donald trump who is once again refused to commit to conceding if he were to lose. we are seeing it, some believe, from this sort of chest thumping and boasting we're hearing from trump and his allies saying this is not just a win, but a blowout. priming supporters to say this is going to be a win and therefore if we lose, the only way we could have lost if it's stolen. >> can i interrupt you on that? >> of course. >> we've had this conversation offline. >> yes. >> you look at the numbers, you even look at the internal polls from both sides. for the people who are serious and they will tell you, it's a tight -- they have no idea whether their model has it right or not. if trump's model is right, then they think he will win. if harris' model is right, the

harris team thinks they will win. and it is so close right now, based on all polls internal and external and it just basically depends on will the trump team be able to get out younger male voters to vote against harris. will the biden team -- or the harris team -- by the way, by the way, anybody in the harris team will tell you this, the millions and millions of dollars that joe biden invested into turnout operations because he was an old line pol and at the time they're going okay, old man, let's do memes, this, that, they're saying it's a damn good thing biden invested into the ground game because these tight

races, tie doesn't go to the runner, it goes to the person with the best ground game and right now most people would say that's the harris campaign. but my question here is, if the campaigns are privately admitting this race is tied, if all of the national polls and all of the state polls are within the margins of error, why is it that the trump team is playing the media so much and their supporters are running around going we got this won, locked up, we have a landslide. maybe they win in landslide, ronald reagan did it in 1980. maybe harris wins in a landslide, maybe it's tight like last time. we don't know at this point. but they've been doing this for three months now we're going to win, it's not going to be close. this is going to be a blowout. what's behind that and if, in fact, they don't win, are they

just working the refs to set up another stop the steal violent reaction to a donald trump loss? >> yeah. that's what i was -- what i believe here, joe. there are two things in play. first the trump team is going to boast, focus on the good news because the boss, ie trump, doesn't want to hear the bad. there's not someone walking in sir we're losing. that's not how that works. maybe there's data that shows a tight race or even trailing, they're not going to share it widely because trump won't stand for it. but the second piece is what you and i were talking about and have talked about before. the idea they're projecting the victory to lay the ground work for a possible appeal. they want to get their supporters so conditioned to expect a win, there will be therefore so much anger if they lose and they can try to stoke that anger in their attempts to contest the election.

and mika, we're also seeing a projection of what appears to be confidence from the trump campaign scheduling events in blue states. he has a rally in virginia and another rally in new mexico. trump team says we see numbers there that could be in play, could help congressional candidates. others say it's the opposite, trump this is his third presidential cycle he's been in pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan so much times people have seen him so many times he's having trouble drawing the rally crowds he wants. if he goes somewhere new, people will show up. >> so they're setting ip the second big lie potentially, and it's normalization of lies that's the repeating and repeating of lies over and over again, january 6th was the day of love, he actually won 2020. experts will say it's a process

of a dissent into fascism there's no other way to say it when you are normalizing lies and behavior that is violent as beautiful. so jim you have new in depth reporting on how the days to come may play out, possibly threatening the certification of the 2024 election. you traveled to four battleground states meeting dozens of election officials sitting in on many hours of local meetings and you report, quote, although the stop the steal movement of 2020 has evolved into the considerably more sophisticated election integrity movement of 2024, its success is still premisesed on persuading election administrators of two things that are not true. that widespread election fraud is a real and present threat to democracy and they have not only the authority but also the legal duty to do something about it.

please tell us more about what you've learned. >> i think two things in the proceeding conversation was perfect for this. that is first of all january 6th really was an effort to break certification. at the end of the process, january 6th is the end of the certification process. that process begins at the hyper local level at your local election board your local commission. and what has happened since january 6th is the anger that drove the riot that had millions of americans believe in their bones that that election was stolen, it seeped into the grass roots level and into these election boards. and now now eve had this phenomenon where board members in this process, their job is to stamp the vote, the numbers. you can contest fraud, campaigns can have it out. they are now pressing this new idea that this is not an admin steer ya act as it's called. it's discretionary and we have a

duty to stop a fraudulent election. >> so the defenses have been hardened this time around our elections. there's a great piece in time magazine a few days ago, laying out how much safer even in 2024 the election is, in 2020 when it was safe as well according to cyber security experts. so as a practical question what are these people going to do if they try to cheat and flip the elections. there will be court challenges where some of it will be thwarted. >> yes. every expert you talk to, long-time lawyer says because it's a mandatory act this will fail, the courts will come in, there are new provisions in the law that make it harder. that said, there's a path that could inspire people to try this as they've been trying to. and that path is there's a new hard deadline in december by which states must get their votes in. there used to be a softer thing

called safe harbor now it's a deadline. and there are processes to fast track it through the courts but you need people to agree to do their legal duty. what if you miss the deadline, people don't do their duty, you bump into the electoral college deadline, bump towards january 6th comes to congress what do we have. >> talk about the psychology of the people you interviewed, people responsible for the count. are they doing it because they want to get donald trump into office even if they understand it's not necessarily the most legal thing to do or do they genuinely believe they have a duty to do this? if you genuinely believe there's fraud aplay any of us would fight. >> it's a great question. the people i was speaking to sincerely believe this. it didn't feel cynical to me.

it felt deeply held and as one commissioner told me this is her calling, her oath she'll be lying to certify an election she believes is fraudulent. even though in nevada law fraud can be dealt with it's not her job under the law. i didn'tan find that to be a bipartisan ploy. i certainly believe she would like trump to win, no question but that didn't see to be what was driving her as much as this doubt and that's what we as a system have to think about. that is there and it's held by millions of people. it doesn't just go away with a harris win. it won't even go away with a trump win. >> but jim, it's there because they deliberately lie about it. it's like jd vance and donald trump say yeah, people are saying that dogs and cats are being -- yeah people believe

that because they're spreading the lies. people used to say that about neil armstrong's landing on the moon. it didn't really happen it was a back lot in hollywood in burbank. i do wonder, though, so this is deeply held. okay, great. what about the 63 federal court cases that said there's no widespread fraud. what about the supreme court decision on pennsylvania where even the two most conservative members of the court said, you know, the election is done. taking this case won't change the outcome of the election. trump's people saying it was the safest ever. chris creb saying it was the cleanest election. i could go down the list but yeah, so they think this and i'm sorry let me just say, so what. so what this they're believing lies that they're reading epic

times. that they're reading chinese cult conspiracy websites. tell me how exactly are you supposed to reason with that when they're ignoring the facts and making up their own? >> this is what a lot of election administrators on the other side and there are far more of them, i assure you, say they're constantly answering these questions it takes up a lot of resources. >> when you say on the other side, you're saying people that agree with the facts. >> yeah. >> i know a lot of republican officials you can see republican officials in maricopa county republicans saying stop lying this was a fair and safe election. republican officials in michigan saying stop lying this was a fair and free election. republican officials in florida saying stop lying this was a fair and free election. all across america saying this was a fair and free america. so saying the other side, not to

draw a fine point on it but the other side is not republican or democrats. the other side are facts and conspiracy theories. >> it's a coalition that republicans and democrats and election administrators are together on this. and i said, far more of them. but for everything you say, every time they come back and say listen that's not true, let's not forget the dominion settlement, fox news had to pay dominion almost $800 million to settle a defamation claim about dominion claims. but that is still coming up in commission meetings all over america. so for everything you're saying is true, it's driving action and that action is taking place for four years in preparation for the next few weeks when we'll see if this plays out and whether the courts kick in. >> it parallels with kamala harris' description of trump last night consumed by hate,

grievance and retribution and consumed by many people with the same thing. bob, final word to you, i know you had a lot to say this morning especially at donald trump's instincts. you are someone who has covered him for a long time. >> yes. many books, much reporting. i think what's the average voter to do? look at performance. take the year 2000, the last year he was president. i did nine hours of interviews with him. this was the year of the coronavirus. and it's all on tape. it's all available and what did donald trump do? he covered up. >> he lied to the american people. >> he got a warning when there was one coronavirus case in this country. being told by experts saying 650,000 people are going to die.

he kept saying -- i was interviewing him, i was saying what are you doing? what's the plan? he said, oh, don't worry it's going to go away. just like he was -- i mean, just one phone call if i can tell you exactly what happened. this is july 20th, 2020. i called him and i said, what are you doing mr. president about the virus? 140,000 people have died already. he's still saying it's going to go away. so as for months i had been asking him, what's the plan? what are you going to do? don't worry. don't worry. it's going to go away. mr. president, what's the plan? right out of his own mouth he said, oh, don't worry i'll have a plan in 106 days. i thought, what the hell -- oh,

that's the election day. so it's like you're sitting there and the house is on fire. somebody says let's call 911 or the fire department, and what does trump do? say, let's wait 106 days. look at this. i describe it as his performance as a morale felony. unambiguously so out of his own mouth and action. >> joe, jump in. >> bob, final question for you. >> yes. >> you've written several books on donald trump, deeply reported on donald trump, inside trump tower, inside the white house when he was president. and you've reported as deeply on him as anybody. and so, if you could answer this question for voters, when he

says that he's going to use the military and the national guard to arrest his political opponents, when he says he's going to arrest nancy pelosi and adam schiff when he calls them enemies from within when he says he's going to shut down cbs and go after comcast for treason, shutdown cbs because he doesn't like the editing of interviews. does he mean that? would you say, take him at his word? >> you never can get in the mind of donald trump, to a certain extent i say thank god. because his interest is only himself he has no idea of what the responsibility to the people is. that's the job of the president. i agree with general milley, no one is as dangerous, no one so

misunderstands the responsibility -- >> fascist to the core he says. >> yes. fascist to the core. and that's a man who worked with him. i interviewed trump. hours, hours get him on the phone, what's going on. totally irresponsible, voters he does not care about you. >> author and society editor at "the washington post," bob woodward thank you very much. his number one "the new york times" best selling book "war" is on sale now. writer at large, jim rutenberg, thank you. if you want to understand what's going on here and what the perils are, his is the piece to read. still ahead, stephanie cutter joins us to weigh in on the vice president's closing argument at the ellipse last night.

also ahead, my conversation with grammy winning singer and song writer stevie knicks we talked about what inspired her new song "the lighthouse" why she says it's so important to vote in the election. >> i never voted until i was 70 and i regret that. i told everybody that on stage, i great that, and i don't have many regrets. no matter who wins, the government we have to figure out a way to bring back roe v. wade. we all had to pick causes. this was the cause i chose. so you know what in the '60s and the end of the "50s and going into the '70s, everybody was writing protest songs.

it was like lots and lots and lots. so i would say to my musical poets that write songs, so write some songs about what's happening like i did. and yes, it's scary. there was a point i'm going i'm terrified to put this song out. and then i thought to myself, you know what, at 76 years old, really? so i'm putting this song out and i'm loving putting it out because i do think people are listening to it. >> we'll play more of my sitdown with stevie nicks and nine-time grammy winning singer cheryl crow who's also been outspoken about reproductive rights. "morning joe" will be right back. oe" will be right back fedex presents tall tales of true deliveries. ♪"burning love" by elvis presly♪ there it is! ♪♪

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>> vice president harris speaking last night on the ellipse. the very site where donald trump delivered his remarks on january 6th 2021. let's bring in senior adviser to the harris/walz campaign. stephanie. >> good morning. >> it felt like a bookend to her dnc speech her introduction in many ways to the country. what is the message you hope people sorting through these last six days -- what do you hope they take away from the speech last night? >> i think what she's trying to communicate is we can turn the page here. we have seen what donald trump wants to bring to the white house. we've seen the damage he's done, the purpose of having the speech on the ellipse is to remind people you can use the oval office for good and you can use it for bad. and the last time he sat there he incited a violent mob on the

capital to overturn a free and fair election to his benefit. and the contrast is what the vice president was talking about last night that there is a new way forward. if you can have a president with a to do list rather than an enemy's list sitting in the oval office and that to do list is all about making your lives better. but if someone is consumed with revenge, retribution, putting his enemies list together he's not thinking about you. he's thinking about himself. we can turn the page on that, move forward instead of looking to the past and a dark angry leader that people are frankly exhausted from. >> it can't be overstated the size of the crowd. downtown d.c. i was at the white house, throngs of people headed to the ellipse and the mall. tens of thousands were there. a lot of the vice president's speech was aimed at the undecided, the independents.

but a lot is the turnout election get your base to the poll. there are polls in the month that showed lack of enthusiasm by hard or democrats how do you get them to show up? >> i think there's incredible enthusiasm for vice president harris and the broad coalition that she is building of democrats, republicans, independents that want change, want to deliver a new way forward. we do have an incredible investment on the ground, you know, the person running our campaign jen o'malley dylan is a field expert and there's no stone left unturned in terms of mobilizing, encouraging people to vote, encouraging people to vote early. volunteering talking to your friends and neighbors about the importance of this election. i have been doing this a long time, been on many presidential campaigns never seen anything this tight. every vote counts and the vice

president will be traveling all over the battlegrounds trying to get those votes the last week of the campaign. >> it's great to have you on the show, stephanie. i'm curious what you're seeing with with the information the campaign takes in. will women be the beacon in the election are the real stories about the effects of trump's abortion bans breaking through? these bans are killing us. women have died -- >> yes. >> -- women have been sterilized. they've been injured in unspeakable ways. >> um-hum. >> is any of this breaking through? >> absolutely. there's a new story out today of a young woman who died in texas because he was suffering a miscarriage and the hospital wouldn't treat her. yes, it's breaking through. i think that there's a reason there's a huge gender gap in this race. women want their freedom back. but they want more than that, too. there's an exhaustion of what they know life will be like

under donald trump. not only is there freedom at stake but just their way of life. they don't want to live like this. they don't want to live under the fear and the fear of further rights being rolled back frankly. the vice president spoke to this last night. look at project 2025, everything is on the table, ivf, contraception, monitoring pregnancies across states. this is all at stake. so i think that women, including republican women, are talking to their husbands, there is a strong message being sent from the campaign that, you know, obviously this impacts women's health, it's a matter of life and death, and the men that care about them should care about this also. and so we'll see the -- you know, the turnout of women. you know, we were just a week ago campaigning with liz cheney

and doing a series of town halls with women living in suburbs undecided women. and the message out of those events, even from pro-life women that this is -- this is not what anybody intended. nobody wanted to put women's lives in danger. and this is a direct result of what donald trump did. we need to remind people of that and he can't be trusted. he's trying to moderate himself now on abortion but, you know, he brags about the fact that he put justices in place to overturn roe v. wade. he, you know, has campaigned on punishing women -- >> the damage is done. >> the damage is done. and we can't take another risk on donald trump doing the right thing because he never has. >> stephanie, less than a week to go, anything in the numbers or focus group about the portion of voters who are, for whatever reason, reluctant to vote for a woman for president of the

united states? >> well, we don't see it quite that way. nobody admits that. but, you know, i think that -- i think people are looking at vice president harris as a fresh start. as someone who can, you know, turn the page on the last decade of division. and, you know, look to the future. you know, are there people out there -- and the vice president has spoken to this -- that are still undecided about choosing the first woman, the first woman of color, probably. are we focussing over the last week to persuade them that there is a better way here, there is a better way forward and she's not only qualified obviously, but she's looking out for them.

and, you know, the contrast is somebody who's only concerned about himself. so we see it a lot in the early votes that, you know, the -- just from our modelling whether, you know, you can't look at it democrat versus republican. we're getting a lot of those republican votes a lot of those independent votes. so i think women are driving this election but hopefully their husbands, their boyfriends, their son, neighbors, friends are coming along with them. >> as you know, president biden was on a call last night with latino activists he made a comment reacting to the ugly joke made at the msg rally about puerto rico being a floating island of garbage. president biden saying the only gar badge i see is his supporters. his demonization mean is unimaginable. but his team saying he meant

only the comedian not all of his supporters. how is vice president harris interpreting that comment? >> i'll say a couple of things and let the vice president speak nor herself. i'll say a couple of things. the president did clarify what he was talking about. but the vice president has been clear that her campaign, her presidency is about all americans. and, you know, when she's president she's not going to care who you voted for. she's going to fight for you regardless. and i also want to say spare me the faux outrage from donald trump, jd vance and his campaign. even as they're trying to argue that president biden is disparaging trump voters, the president is calling the entire country a trash can. you know, even at the madison square garden his supporters

disparaged not only puerto ricans but all latinos. spare me the faux outrage. i know president biden, the voters know president biden, they know how he feels about the american people. there's nobody more spirited about the strength and optimism of the american people than president biden. at the same time, vice president is running her own campaign, she's building a coalition of all americans regardless of your party affiliation, regardless of who you vote for she's going to fight for you and made that clear. >> the faux outrage is on a loop on certain networks so there's that. >> yeah. certain networks. >> senior adviser to the harris/walz campaign stephanie cutter thank you for coming on. >> thank you. up, democratic congresswoman of michigan is getting help from a former republican colleague. we will tell you who that is when congresswoman slotkin joins

us next. we'll be right back.

no voters anywhere in this country are more important than all of you here in michigan will be to ensuring that we elect honorable and faithful public

servants, people who will do what's right. it's why you see this bipartisan coalition coming together, bipartisan support for honorable servants like alyssa and vice president harris. there's an opportunity for michigan to tell the world who we are. >> former republican congresswoman, liz cheney, in wyoming on monday campaigning with elissa slotkin. cheney has endorsed the michigan congresswoman in her race to keep the state's open senate seat in democratic hands as sitting senator retires. we will start there with the bipartisan support for your campaign. do you think it will make a difference in the final hours? >> well, look, i mean, i am

somebody who is a democrat who represented a republican-leaning district, and independently minded voters often make a huge difference in our election. it was an appeal to folks that there are some things more important than a party, and that's our democracy and country. i was proud to have her and glad we were able to get back together again. >> what are you hearing from constituents, men and women and data your campaign is bringing in? will women's reproductive health care be a beacon in your election? >> first of all, michigan is close and a swing state for a reason. even though we did our job in 2022, and we codified roe v. wade in our constitution and voted on it here, and i think the issue of choice continues, one, because there has been no

stop in the other side of the aisle pushing constant anti-choice initiatives, constantly. i voted to block those things, and real fear of a national ban depending on who gets in, and there's a fundamental question of do you trust women. if you are willing to take away this right, what are other rights you are willing to take away from people? it represents something bigger than just roe v. wade, and it's a stand-in. in michigan, we live next to indiana, and if you are driving to chicago for a concert, you have one set of rights on one side of the dirt and a totally different set of rights on the other side of the date. >> every time i talk to somebody

about your race comes back to the idea of the ev plant and the controversy around that, and your opponent, mike rogers, said the grant should be rejected. can you explain why it's such an important issue in your state? >> i think the issue of the next generation of vehicles, of electric vehicles and hybrid vehicles became this political issue. in michigan, we don't care what you want to drive but we want to make the next generation of vehicles. that plant that you are talking about, the grand river plant which i represent right now, it's being converted into a electric vehicle plant and will save 650 jobs and add another 50. if you are standing in front of those guys of local 652 uaw, we are talking about their jobs. i do not understand the idea from the other side of the aisle, china is eating the

next generation of vehicles, and we should just eat that. and a big loan of $450 plus million was given to tesla years ago to help them get started, so why not gm and ford and our trait-based makers here. it's become a political issue and i don't understand an approach to the other side, and i am on team america and not team china. >> yeah, the foreign policies in another trump presidency is something we have not talked about enough. elissa slotkin, thank you for being on this morning. and up next, stevie nix and sheryl crow using their voices.

>> what do i want the country to look like as i bring up two boys. they are asking questions about roe v. wade, and about the environment, why the storms, what is happening? i feel like our dialogue has gone so negatively, and we need to look around and ask ourselves where can i be helpful, not who is my enemy because they don't believe what i believe? that's what i am taking to the polls. i hope we will all take that to the polls. >> we're back in 90 seconds with a packed third hour of "morning joe."

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included, for only $15 a month. we know who donald trump is. he is the person who stood at this very spot nearly four years ago and sent an armed mob to the united states capitol to overturn the will of the people in a free and fair election. >> we won in a landslide. this was a landslide.

>> an election he knew he lost. >> we will never give up, we will never concede. it doesn't happen. you don't concede when there is theft involved. >> americans died as a result of that attack. 140 law enforcement officers were injured because of that attack. >> and we fight. we fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. >> it's a choice about whether we have a country rooted in freedom for every american or ruled by chaos and division. >> you will never take back our country with weakness. you have to show strength and you have to be strong. >> this is somebody who is unstable, obsessed with revenge and consumed with grievance and out for unchecked power.

>> the fight against big donors and big media and big tech and others is just getting started. >> on day one if elected, donald trump would walk into that office with an enemies list. when elected, i will walk in with a to-do list. >> i think i will use the term, the weak republicans -- >> unlike donald trump, i don't believe people who disagree with me are the enemy. he wants to put them in jail. i will give them a seat at the table. >> our media is not free, and it's not fair and it suppresses thought and suppresses speech and it has become the enemy of the people. >> if you give me the chance to fight on your behalf, there's nothing in the world that will stand in my way. >> today is not the end, it's

just the beginning. >> vice president kamala harris' yesterday at the ellipse compared to donald trump's rally, the very same spot, on january 6th, 2021, before his supporters stormed the capitol. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, october 30th. along with joe, willie and me, we have the host of "way too early," jonathan lemire, and u.s. special correspondent at bbc news, katty kay is with us, and msnbc contributor, mike barnicle. joe, quite a speech last night. the visuals were incredible and the speech itself was trying to reach out to all americans at perhaps the most divisive time in american history. >> what matters to donald trump is crowd size. the crowd size was massive.

i could not believe what i was looking at. absolutely. the people just came flooding in in support of kamala harris. i would say in contrast to what donald trump has said, i thought it was compelling. i loved the message last night and she kept going back to it, willie, she kept going back to how people that disagree with her are not the enemy and she doesn't want to put them in jail and she wants to put them at the table and listen to them. she kept talking about finding common ground and she kept talking about compromise. she kept talking about being the president of all americans, even those americans who vote against her and what a marked contrast. there's so many distractions in this campaign and other news channels get distracted by people not running in the campaign. what matters is the two people

running in this campaign are saying, and what they are saying right now is this. for donald trump, if you oppose him you are an enemy of america, an enemy from within and you are going to get arrested. what kamala harris is saying is, i will bring america together and i am going to compromise. i am going to forge consensus. if you disagree with me, you won't be on my enemies list, you will be at my table and we will be talking about how to bring america together. just so people don't think this is a fake generality, she went right there with border crossings, illegal border crossings, securing the southern border. what did she say? i will work with republicans like james langford to pass his bill. a compromise bill, a tough bill that would have secured the southern border immediately. donald trump, he killed that bill because it doesn't make

sense for him politically. let's turn the page and let's move to a new chapter and let's work with those who may not agree with us all the time. >> it was, first of all, as mika said, the visual was striking. the message was that we are here at the place on one of the darkest days in american history on january 6th, 2021, here with the massive crowd. the original permit was 8,000 people, and then moved it to 20,000 people and there could have been 75,000 people not just in the scanned area for security but outside that area as well, waving american flags and talking about freedom, setting up the contrast. we have been covering the race for, gosh, two years now, and many americans tune into the last week and last weekend and say i heard a lot of noise and let me lock in and listen to

what i am listening to here. vice president harris led the crowd here on a journey talking about the pedi tyrant that was king george iii, and then the thirst for freedom overcame that invoking normandy, and all the instances where americans pushed for freedom and we will not go back to another petty tyrant, talking about donald trump. >> we will sneak in an early break so we can play more for you on the vice president's address. "morning joe" is back in a moment. ning joe" is back in a moment hearts into something we can see and hold. etsy. here you go. is there anyway to get a better price on this?

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deserve a voice. and i will tell you that is the kind of president i will be. and, look, i will be honest with you, i'm not perfect, i make mistakes, but here's what i will promise you. i will always listen to you. even -- even if you don't vote for me, i will always tell you the truth even if it's difficult to hear. i will work every day to build consensus and reach compromise to get things done, and if you give me the chance to fight on your behalf, there's nothing in the world that will stand in my way. on day one if elected donald trump would walk into that office with an enemies list.

when elected, i will walk in with a to-do list full of priorities of what i will get done for the american people. and i will work with everyone, democrats, republicans and independents, to help americans who are working hard and still struggling to get ahead. nearly 250 years ago america was born when we rested freedom from a petty tyrant. across the generations americans have preserved that freedom, expanded it and in so doing proved to the world that a government of, by and for the people is strong and can endure.

and those who came before us, the patriots at normandy and selma, sinica falls and stonewall, on farm lands and factory floors, they did not struggle, sacrifice and lay down their lives only to see us seed our fundamental freedoms. they didn't do that only to see us submit to the will of another petty tyrant. >> you know, i have been told through the years since doing this work, people come up and say why can't politicians work together? why can't they compromise? why are they always campaigning and taking one extreme side or the other? why can't they follow the dream

that america works best when we work together, that it's a government of the people and by the people. jon meacham, i wrote words down we have not heard from donald trump ever. she says, i'm not perfect. i make mistakes. that's not a weakness but a political strength to say that. i will always listen to you and always tell you the truth even when it's hard. i will build consensus and i will compromise to get things done. when i go into the white house on my first day, unlike donald trump, i will have a to-do list while he will have an enemies list. by the way, he already told us that. i think what is so compelling is that we talked about these

people, old-time republicans trying to make excuses to vote for a guy that says he will be an autocrat. some say she has not been to the middle, and here is kamala harris last night saying if you disagree with me, i will not put you on a an enemies list. i will not insult you. i will bring you in and you will have a seat at the table and we will work together for a compromise and for a consensus and for the betterment of the american people. that doesn't sound like donald trump. in fact, it doesn't sound like a lot of politicians we have heard over the last 30 years. >> you know, president kennedy referred to the office as the vital center of action, and one of the questions we always face is what is going to be the action of the person that we put

at the center of that arena? that's not an ideological term, it's the nature of power and even a democracy. we are shaped by this transaction often between the leaders and the lead. we are only as good as we are, and we could be made a little better if you have a president who speaks the way and who has conducted herself in the way the vice president has. i thought the speech last night was fully part of an american vernacular where you can agree or disagree with this tax rate or this tax rate, but you know what you're getting. you're getting somebody who will take the oath seriously. >> uh-huh. >> you are getting someone who actually sees -- well, she is not perfect and nobody is

canonizing anybody here, but we know what we are getting. the question is do you want a president you would recognize that is working in a tradition that at least goes back to lincoln and maybe jackson, jackson, lincoln, fdr, a kennedy and reagan presidency, or do you want to risk this on somebody's own appetites that are self consuming? i know where i stand. coming up, what is donald trump talking about? >> with me, we have to get the congress men elected and the senators elected because we could take the senate, and our little secret is having a big impact. he and i have a secret and we will tell you what it is when the race is over. >> we will tell you what speaker johnson had to say about that, and his plan to taking a blowtorch to obamacare.

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♪ ♪ here's a look at the white house and a song by stevie nicks and produced by sheryl crow. it's a warning to women. ♪ ♪ is it a nightmare? ♪ ♪ is it a lasting scar ♪ ♪ that's that ♪ ♪ unless you stand up and take it back ♪ ♪ take it back ♪ ♪ i have my scars ♪ ♪ you have yours ♪

♪ don't let them take your power ♪ ♪ don't leave it alone in the final hours ♪ ♪ they will take your soul and take your power ♪ ♪ unless you stand up and take it back ♪ ♪ try to see the future and get mad ♪ ♪ it's slipping through your fingers ♪ ♪ you don't have what you had ♪ ♪ you don't have much time to get it back. >> inspired by the overwhelming response to the reversal of roe v. wade, the lighthouse is a glaring beacon of warning to america across america. joining me, stevie nicks and sheryl crow. welcome to "morning joe." thank you for being here. >> thank you for inviting us.

>> stevie, i will start with you. your body talks about the grief, loss, resilience, edge of 17, heartbreak, dreams, self preservation, power, "sisters of the moon," unity, "the chain," and strength and vulnerability," leather and lace," and all human truths and your writing confronts those truths. now you have this song of warning, intense warning, "the lighthouse," and the words are not missed in the song, it's slipping through your fingers, you don't have much time to get it back and don't leave it alone in the final hours. so stark. why and what is the warning? >> well, it's like, don't look

away. i think you know my mom and dad talked about world war ii to me and germany -- >> my parents were refugees of that war. >> i know that. my mom would say never let this come to our shores, and my dad -- that's in a song i wrote called "show them the way", and my dad would say don't ever forget what your mother and i were fighting for. don't close your eyes and look away because look how many people closed their eyes and looked away and when they looked away so much was done. we went to bed and woke up the next morning and roe v. wade had been dissolved, and unbeknownst to most of us, gone. for somebody who is 76 and already lived through it -- >> 50 years ago. >> yeah, 50 years ago, right.

i graduated from high school in 1966, i was 18. from '66 to '73, there was no roe v. wade, and then all of a sudden there was. and then until not very long ago, there was roe v. wade all those years. i feel very much, and did from the beginning, like déjà vu, like i have already lived through this and seen it, and it was in the shadows, and it was a conversation when i was young and i was very aware of what was going on. >> i want to ask you -- i want to ask you and i can't believe i'm saying stevie nicks called me on a saturday night, and the fall of roe happened and you were watching the news, i guess. >> i was. >> tell me about it. >> i have been watching "morning

joe" and you, "morning mika and morning joe" since 2016, so i feel like i know you really well because i have been watching you for so long. anyway, there was a day i thought you were going to crawl out of the television set. >> women are not going to stand by idly and say you can take away our rights, our personal rights and our sister's rights and our daughter's rights. forget it. watch out. >> if i could have crawled through the television set, i would have. >> from that morning onword, people started saying, somebody has to say something besides mika, and somebody has to do something. i thought, okay, well, let's see, i have a platform. i go onstage every night and i am not going onstage in states that will hate me for it and i can go onstage every night and think my thing out to the

audience, right? what can i do? i can write a song. i didn't sit right down at the desk to write a song. a couple days later i went to bed and i woke up early and sat up in bed and started to wright a poem, and as you can see, i have a journal here that shows you -- >> your process. >> -- what i do. it's, like, a lot. in 20 minutes, the whole song, the words were written, 20 minutes. >> whoa. >> and then my best friend came in and i said you have to listen to this because we were on the road. i sang it, and i said, gee, it's too bad we didn't record it. my assistant came in and i said, do you have your phone with you, and i found a crazy instrumental that was done by people in sweden, and we have yet to meet but we love them so much because they were part of the song, and i sang it to the music and it's

the original version that you heard. i never wanted it to change because it had that feeling at 8:30 in the morning. >> take one. >> we never did the vocal over again. sheryl crow, who ended up being the main producer, she was down with that, she said that's good and we recorded it. i invited half of the band to listen up to it and we went around the table and my lead guitarist was, like, that's very powerful. my lead security guy was, like, that's superpowerful. my makeup artist was, like, it's really powerful. i went, okay, then we will finish this thing and we are going to do it. >> sheryl, can you talk about the song and the process? >> first, let me say this is only one of the reasons i love stevie and one of the reasons her fan base love her is that

she writes and she speaks from the heart. everything she does is authentic. she's only one of the people i know that is truly an authentic artist through and through, the way she lives, the way she views and experiences life is from an artist mind-set. she is constantly writing. if i could just have her journal for a year, i could write a 24 -- or produce a 24-album set for stevie because she's insane. what she brought me, this was different because stevie throughout her career, she has not weighed in in politics. this was bigger for her than the politics, and even for a moment she was, like, is this going to -- she put that aside and this is something that is heart-level for her. you see after she did it on

"saturday night live," how much it resinated with people. we are not used to seeing stevie stand up there and sing about something that is -- it's historical. it's something that will affect generations to come. you know, obviously she and i are not necessarily affected deeply by whether we can have an abortion, you know. that's not the point. the point is for all the women in the country to have the opportunity to decide what happens with their bodies. so when she brought me the song, i said let's just figure out what paints the landscape in a way you feel fortifies the basis. it has been a joy and inspiration to work on this and watch her navigate it. >> then we took two years to refine it to get it to the point where we both really said it is finished. >> it's ready. >> sheryl, i know you have to go because you are on the road so i

want to ask you another question because you have been an advocate on many levels for years, and you were on the board of rock in the '90s. what is going on? if you could simply talk about stepping up at this moment and voting? >> it has filled me with consternation because of what it says about us in the moment of humanity, and i think when we elect a government leader we elect strong aspects of ourselves. i feel a lot of fear being emitted in order to motivate us to vote. for me, i look at this election as what do i want our country to feel like as i bring up two young boys who are asking very hard questions. they are asking hard questions about roe v. wade. they are asking questions about the environment, why the storms? what is happening?

i am going to the polls with the hope that my intention of voting the way i will vote is representative of who i am as a human being, and who i am as a human is somebody empathetic and compassionate and feel like the freedoms of others rob me of happy and free life unless they are allowed to have military-grade weaponry and walk into my kids' schools. i feel like our dialogue has gone so negatively in the last six or eight years that we have to find a way back to the essence of who we want to be as individuals and we need to look around and ask ourselves where can i be helpful, not who is my enemy because they don't believe what i believe. that's what i am take to the polls. i hope we all take that to the polls and i hope we align ourselves to what feels like a

hopeful future. >> such an important message from such a powerful voice. sheryl crow, i know you are literally on tour and we appreciate your time here with us. thank you for being part of this conversation. much more to talk about with stevie nicks, including what she says is one of her few regrets. we'll be right back.

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we're back with more of my conversation with rock legend, stevie nicks. she says when it comes to voting she has one big regret. >> stevie, it's a really frightening time. be the beacon. be the lighthouse. what is your warning to all of us right now? >> well, you have to -- i wrote in here, and then i have it in

the type-written pages that i can't hardly see. >> that's okay. >> for me it was, like, read the words and listen to the song and vote. no matter what. i never voted until i was 70 and i regret that and i tell everybody on the stage for the last two years, i regret that and i don't have very many regrets. there are so many reasons. you could say, i didn't have time. in the long run, you didn't have an hour of your time you could have gone and voted? >> if you are going to vote in an election, let it be this one. >> yes. >> you know, vote something what you can do, and there are some people with a platform like you who can also bring a voice to what's at stake here. what can others, female rockers, singers, icons, are there any

can you name that can do more at this moment? isn't this the moment when we should be leaving it all on the stage? >> well, you know, really if you think about it, no matter who wins -- >> uh-huh. >> god help us. no matter who wins, it's not over, right? the government, whatever, we have to figure out a way to bring back roe v. wade. we all have to pick causes and this was the cause i chose. so you know what? in the '60s and the end of the '50s and '60s and go into the '70s, everybody was writing protests songs, bob dylan, joni mitchell, and it was like lots and lots and lots, and i would say to all of my musical poets that write songs, write songs about what is happening like i did. i was terrified to put this song out, and then i thought to myself, you know what, at 76

years old? really? i put the song out and people are listening to it. >> i want to circle back to the actual music video you put together, because at the beginning of the music video, the definition of lighthouse fades on to the screen, a guide, a beacon of safety and hope, a way out of darkness. is this the final hours, as you write, is it? or do you think in this election women will be the beacon, women will lead the way? >> we absolutely will be. when i said lighthouse, it's because think about the lighthouse. by the way, mika, you are the lighthouse. you inspired this song. you are the lighthouse. you are the wisdom. you are the person that is putting this out on a tv station that goes out to the world in many ways, so you got to me and

i went and wrote the lighthouse, right? i said the same thing to randy st. nicholas that directed that. i said she's in her 70s also, and i said, randy, you are the lighthouse because we have already been there. you, you are just in it. you know what i mean? you are in it every day. we're not in it every day, but we are trying to get into it every day more like you are, because we all have to fight it. so like we said, whoever wins, the lighthouse needs to keep shining its light. also, keep those ships from crashing into the rocks. that's where my idea of the lighthouse being a protector, you know, protecting all those boats and ships coming in. >> i want to close with a really -- i am trying not to be debby downer here but it's a

really serious time. i just interviewed three women who had three productive emergencies and went through hell. one woman, debra, she was forced to carry a baby with potter syndrome to term and he died in her arms. another woman who is now sterile because she didn't get the abortion in time that she desperately needed. another woman had to prove she was bleeding out enough to get care. this is already happening now. >> it is. >> what do you say to people who don't see how consequential this election is? >> that's a hard question for me to answer also. i think all i can do is say well, go to the polls and vote then. vote your opinion. whoever you want to vote for, go and vote and don't just sit home

on the couch, because maybe on the way they might make a better decision? who knows? you are not ever going to get to every single person, but at least that's why i think music is so great because music can get to lot of people. >> break through. >> when i said i would do this, people may not agree with this, people in my family may not agree with what i am saying but they will love this song. that's the power of music. >> you are the bridge. >> i am the bridge. this table is the bridge between and you me and we are both lighthouses and we have to not quit, not quit talking about it. >> stevie nicks, thank you so much for coming in. "the lighthouse" is available for streaming on all major platforms via warner records. thank you so much for this conversation and the crucial

message that you were sending to women across america. >> you are so very welcome. thank you for just being yourself. thank you. >> we'll be right back. at humana, we believe your healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help. with original medicare you're covered for hospital stays and doctor office visits, but you'll have to pay a deductible for each. a medicare supplement plan pays for some or all of your original medicare deductibles, but they may have higher monthly premiums and no prescription drug coverage. humana medicare

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hey, everyone, it's jennifer lopez. the general election is coming up on november 5th and most can vote earlier than that. this year we are voting for president, every seat in the house and a third of the senate and key state and local leaders who directly shape our lives, so let's do this together. text voter to 26797 to check your registration and make your plan to vote. i'm a voter. are you? >> that was superstar singer jennifer lopez who teamed up with a nonprofit organization, i am a voter, obm media and amc theaters to encourage voter tonnout in the 2024 election. the psa has been playing at amc

theaters nationwide. by the way, jennifer lopez, who is puerto rican, after the rally for trump and that comedian made the joke about the puerto ricans. they are extremely disturbed by what the trump campaign would consider a joke. our next guests know about shaping civic engagement. actress and mundanna dianni join me. thank you for the work you're doing. so the text is -- what is it that people can text. >> text "voter" to 26797 and i'm

going to go ahead and promise it's the easiest little chatbot in the world and we built it so it does not overtext you. >> so you know it works. >> exactly. >> and it doesn't overtext. >> it does not. >> that's really important right now. i'm getting a lot of texts. what do you make of j.lo's endorsement at this point and how much of an impact do you think celebrities, athletes and others could make in these final days? >> listen, i think it's really thrilling when anyone who has a flat form is willing to use it to stand up for democracy torques stand up for their fellow communities, you know, people will ask me why i think it's really important and i try to remind people i've only got health care because i'm a union worker and we're really all in this together. when someone who's star shines as brightly and enormously as j.lo's stands up and says, hey, let's be civically engaged it's meaningful to us. >> step up. you had this incredible idea with the democracy heroes awards. just as a brand expert, how do

you think the effort on getting out the vote is going on all platforms, including honoring people like the people on stage at your event, at our event, perhaps shows by example? >> yeah. i mean, look, as someone who has built brands i think you're always looking at how are you going to acquire and retain customers, how are you going to excite them and break through. there's so much noise in political cycles like this. when you have someone like beyoncé on one stage or elon musk on another stage people listen, people pay attention. celebrities influence so much of what we pay attention to. i'm a voter participated in a study with the ash center which did show the impact that these two things have on each other. i can tell you from all of the brands we've worked on and celebrities we've worked with having someone like jennifer aniston speak about democracy

the impact is unimaginable. you could run ads every day for the rest of your life on tv and it would not have the impact something like that could have. for the democracy heroes for us it was like, okay, if people are looking at these incredibly large characters who are coming here to lend their support to this mission, let's have them pay attention to the causes of our honorees instead. >> sophia, you've been at the center of culture for so long and you have made the choice to keep attention on causes that you care about, everything from reproductive rights, environment and education, i think reproductive health care is such a huge issue this election cycle. and your advocacy has at times you've said cost you jobs. what's at stake right now and why is it so important to hold the line and use your voice? >> listen, what i do i love, but it's not who i am. who i am is a proud american citizen and a woman who shockingly believes we all deserve rights.

>> and health care. >> and health care. >> and not to die or bleed out in a hospital when the care is right there for us and the doctors are too scared to treat us. >> exactly. >> because of the government. >> i mean, we've seen another death, a young mother in texas died this week because the hospital said it would be a crime to intervene in her miscarriage. this is barbaric, it is the year 2024 and women are literally begging to not be killed in hospitals. >> and this is the reason for this is trump's strict abortion bans. >> exactly. >> they are killing women right now. women are the vessel, the example, of all the different terrible things coming your way if you don't believe trump's threats, if you don't understand what's happening here, because it's already happening to women, again, a woman just died in texas because she was not treated for a miscarriage. >> exactly. and these -- these are promises he made and that he's keeping and if you don't want to believe

us you can just google project 2025, they have spelled it out in 900 pages, it's going to get worse. and for me what feels incredibly important, yes, i love my job and i understand that particularly women to have these large platforms are supposed to be polite and perhaps not talk about politics. i think everything is political and if i didn't use my platform to talk about this and to advocate for us, i wouldn't be able to sleep at night. >> it's hard to be polite when someone you love is bleeding out because of trump. >> exactly. >> mandana, i'm curious, the youth vote. through i am a voter, i know you are churning out the message, hoping to get young people engaged. will this very large voting block turn out? >> i mean, look, this is the largest and most diverse voting block america has ever had. they had such a big impact on the midterms in key swing elections. they have the power to completely shift the government,

but a third of young voters didn't vote or don't vote because they don't think they have enough information about candidates. >> this is their future. >> sure, but also half of people on tiktok use tiktok as their primary source of news. so you have this information crisis of young voters who don't have information and then don't feel like they can vote. so i think, yes, that was part of the democracy heroes and why we honored people like sophie baron and tevon blare who are activating young voters and giving them information. i hope young voters turn out because the issues they care about need to be addressed within government but they won't be until they show up. >> thank you very much, guys, for all the work you're doing. you can read all about the democracy heroes award winners at knowyourvalue.com and of course i am a voter is amazing and the text is -- >> 26797, text "voter" to 26797. >> that's how you can vote. up next, we will have much more from vice president kamala

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aren't you supposed to be running for president? aren't you supposed to be worried about important topics? and here is the thing, it's kind of funny these silly random rants of his and it would be fine if he was hosting a podcast or selling knives at the farmer's market but he's supposed to be leading us. people are listening him and the country is getting crazier because he makes it okay to be nuts. remember when all those people were in dallas waiting for jfk jr. and his dad to come back to life and then he would serve as trump's running mate in '24? okay.

let's try to imagine john f. kennedy saying the same thing trump just said. >> but if i'm sitting down and that boat is going down and i'm on top of a battery and the water starts flooding in, i'm getting concerned. then i look 10 yards to my left and there is a shark over there, but i have a choice of electrocution or shark. do you know what? i'm going to take electrocution. oh, and i hate taylor swift. >> it sounds much nuttier when you hear it from a real president, right? all right. welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it's 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. in the east. jonathan lemire is still with us, with willie and me, and we have donny and ari on deck here. vice president kamala harris delivered a speech at the ellipse to a massive crowd,

60,000. the same spot in which donald trump urged his supporters to march to the capitol on january 6th, inciting a riot. this as the former president addresses the racist insults made at his weekend rally at madison square garden. nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander has more. >> reporter: vice president harris delivering her closing argument against donald trump. >> nearly 250 years ago america was born when we rested freedom from a petty tyrant. across the generations americans have preserved that freedom. >> they didn't do that only to see us submit to the will of another petty tyrant. these united states of america, we are not a vessel for the

schemes of wannabe dictators. >> reporter: urging americans to turn the page while laying out her policy plans on the economy, health care and reproductive rights, promising to be a unifying president. >> unlike donald trump, i don't believe people who disagree with me are the enemy. >> reporter: and distancing herself from president biden. >> my presidency will be different because the challenges we face are different. >> reporter: but just before she spoke the president potentially handing her opponent fresh fodder, responding to this offensive comment made at trump's madison square garden rally on sunday. >> there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. yeah. i think it's called puerto rico. >> reporter: president biden on a zoom with latino groups. >> the only garbage i see floating out there is his supporters. his deen zags is seen as unconscionable. >> reporter: trump quick to response, responding mid-rally

comparing the comments to hillary clinton's denouncement of trump's supporters as deplorables. >> that's terrible. remember hillary, she said deplorable. that didn't work out. garbage i think is worse, right? please forgive him for he not knoweth what he said. >> reporter: the white house said biden was referring to the rally rhetoric as garbage, showing supporters as singular as if to refer to the comedian. later the president writing on social media i referred to the hateful rhetoric about puerto rico spewed by trump's supporter at his madison square garden as garbage which is the only word i can think of to describe it. his demonization of latinos is unconscionable, that's all i meant to say. it comes as trump is still battling his own political firestorm over the comments. his campaign concerned they could hurt him with latino voters no longer shrugging them off. >> i don't want anybody making

nasty jokes or stupid jokes. probably he shouldn't have been there. >> reporter: meanwhile former trump rival turned endorser nikki haley sharply criticizing the rally. >> they need to go and tell puerto ricans how much they value them but they also need to look at how they're talking about women. that is not the way to win women. that is not the way to win people who are concerned about trump's style. >> nikki haley as we pointed out earlier also said in that interview that donald trump has not spoken to her since june and made any attempt to reach out to her and her sizable voters. joining us donny deutsch. also msnbc chief legal correspondent the host of msnbc's "the beat" ari melber and the could host of "the weekend" on msnbc symone sanders-townsend. symone, the speech last night from vice president harris, the symbolism was obvious, standing at the ellipse where on january 6, 2021, donald trump delivered his remarks that preceded the

attack on the united states capitol. all as part to overturn the results of that election. what do you think she accomplished last night a week ahead of election day. >> willie, i think she accomplished two things that her advisers and friends of the campaign have said were really important. first and foremost, allowing people to visualize her as the commander in chief. in the special that melissa murray and i did in advance of the election, black women in america, road to 2024, we spoke to a woman who said she rejected the notion that men would not support or vote for a woman candidate, rather that the campaign has to do the work of showing the visualization of vice president harris as the commander in chief. that happened last night. i was there at that rally, i had an opportunity to talk to a number of different people and she looked presidential. she sounded presidential. i think the second thing is she -- her closing argument was still asking people for their vote. she didn't -- the vice president did not come out there and say,

you know, this is mine, i've got it, all we have to do is run through the tape. she -- she really spoke to some of the concerns that people still have. she literally said the words, i know there are people out there that are still getting to know me, that feel like they don't know me. they asked for their vote, said she would be a president for everyone even if you do not vote for her. that is the advisers of the vice president said she is running but to hear it from her own mouth to people out there in prime time, i think it will make a difference for voters. >> donny, vice president harris said explicitly but also it was clear with the symbolism that it is this is a time to turn the page. remember what happened on january 6, 2021, when these flags behind me were used in some cases to beat police officers. this is something different. we can leave all that stuff behind. we can leave all that sort of psychoanalysis of our president every day, how is he going to get out of bed feeling and all

these things, and we can just get to work for the country. that was really laid out last night. >> she -- it was about together versus the other and that's the most simplistic way i can put t she talked so much about we are one and we're going to reach across the aisle, we are all together and donald trump his entire being, his entire essence, his entire narrative is about the other. you may not be that other, but there will be another. you have to decide as a voter are we one or are we and other and you are not me and i'm not you? and that's it in the most raw sense. >> ari, i'm wondering, we were talking to jim rutenberg earlier and he was looking into sort of the republicans trolling the vote and also sort of the depth in which some of these beliefs are being held that are not true about voters -- problems with the voting process in these states, in these different districts. what do you predict or what do

you see happening on election day or playing out, especially in some of these hotly contested states down on the ground? >> just, first of all, if you are really winning you don't have to cheat. if you are really confident that you're going to win outright on election night you don't have to spend all this time and energy with a prebuttal set of lies about why everything is rigged. if you are playing well you are not talking about the refs. first we are six days out with the politics, the politics are questionable for any hard right maga republican types who are this obsessed with telling you in advance two things that are contradictory like so much of trump's message. they claim they're up, they talk about things like betting markets have no predictive value, try to psych everyone out like they did in the midterm red fizzle. they say even though we're up and are going to win also we're so clearly concerned about all of these alleged regulators. that's a political tell. as for how it's going to go down, we've all seen the tight polling, so there is a world in

which this is tight and takes a long time to get resolved like last cycle and there is a world where everyone exhausts their legal remedies, also a world by either side wins by three, four, five states and in that environment nothing in the law, nothing in the precedent, even this right-leaning supreme court has ever shown an interest in taking a result that's got a three or four or five state lead and hearing anything let alone reversing that. there's a lot of understandable angst out there. if it's a decisive outcome i don't think there's anything in the courts. >> during a rally for vice president harris in philadelphia on monday former president barack obama validated the issues of concern for certain voting groups, but argued donald trump isn't the answer for them. take a listen. >> if you are a christian and you care deeply about the abortion issue, i understand that, but -- but does that mean you will support somebody who seems to violate pretty much

every precept of the ten commandments. if you are a service member and you're somewhat conservative and you're used to voting republican, i can understand it, but somebody who genuinely does not believe in duty and honor and does not understand why anybody would sacrifice themselves on behalf of their country, why would you do that? if you are a muslim-american and you are upset about what's happening in the middle east, why would you put your faith in somebody who passed a muslim ban and repeatedly suggested that somehow you weren't part of our

american community? if you are an african american or latino, if you are from puerto rico and you see somebody who -- whose values seem to indicate that you are not part of their equation, how do you think it's okay? how can you tell yourself it's okay as long as our side wins? >> see, that is such a fair question, donny. i mean, this, again, with donald trump and i'm not trying to be funny, but at a women's, you know, sort of -- i put it in quotes, town hall he said he was the father of ivf and we are going to fix abortion, something that he took health caraway from women. he says i'm the protector of women. my god. ask a few women across the country, actually hundreds if not thousands who are afraid to

have babies or are going through hell right now if he is their protector. i think they will have a different answer. and, again, you know, if you look at what's happened to legal haitian migrants, to how puerto rican-americans are feeling right now after having puerto rico trashed by someone at his rally. it's really hard to understand how someone could say, well, faith is having me vote for trump. that doesn't seem honest. >> i want to go back to the women thing and i've said many, many times on this show that i think women are going to push it over the finish line. tucker carlson the other night said something in one of his intros that me is going to be the tone of what this country is like -- >> i think i know what you're getting at. >> he got up there -- i can't believe that he actually said this. he said -- he was talking about trump as daddy, which is a whole weird thing in and of itself. he got up and said daddy is

coming home and daddy is mad and the little girl has been bad and he's going to spank that little girl. >> vigorously. >> vigorously. let that set? >> and he's going to like it. >> and that the level of depravity there, was he referring to kamala harris? i don't know what that was, but if that doesn't scare you, it scares me as a man who loves women and i don't -- who is a father of daughters. >> not the way grown men behave. >> yeah, i just found that to offensive and how any woman could hear that and go, yeah, this is the kind of umbrella tone i want in this country. frightening. >> yeah. >> and that's what the harris campaign is getting at, using the msg rally as a model for that. do you want what happened in that room over three, four, five hours to be the culture of the country, to be the tone, the energy, the insults, the put-downs, the othering of anybody who is not like us? that's the contrast they're trying to draw. >> i want to just -- because you

talked about different groups, i want to talk as a jew. to me as a jew we always have to fight for the other because we were and other for so long. you may not think you are the other this time but there are others. i just can't as a jew vote for somebody whose entire being is about casting hate of others. goes against my faith. >> i want to play something that i found really scary and deeply disturbing and this is donald trump -- i think it's in atlanta and he talked about michelle obama. take a look. >> you know what's nasty to me? michelle obama. ooh. i always tried to be so nice and respectful. oh, she opened up a little bit of a -- a little bit of a box, she opened up a little bit of

something. she was nasty. ooh. shouldn't be that way. that was a big mistake that she made. >> a couple of things. i really hate -- i hate replaying that is correct i hate amplifying it, at the same time this is the moment, these are the final days before the election and if we don't talk about these things and make an attempt to break through on the risks, the threats, the dangers of a trump presidency, who knows? and it still may not be enough, but i know him and i know how he talks and i heard what i heard in that statement. symone, i'll start with you, i'd like to talk about the enemy within based on what we just played. symone sanders, if you could reply to what you heard. >> i heard the former president of the united states threatening the former first lady of the united states of america, michelle obama. to me that's unacceptable. i also heard a lie, you know, he

said i tried to be very nice and respectful. i don't know how that is possible when donald trump literally built his political career, foundation, on birtherism and questioning the authenticity of the american papers, if you will, of first black president of the united states of america. i think this is who donald trump is. it is not ever going to get better. the presidency amplifies who you are, it does not, you know, transform one. donald trump has been president once before and all it has done is shone a light on who he truly is. look, i think ms. obama knew that coming out and speaking and campaigning would put a -- would put her squarely in donald trump's, you know, ire, if you will, but she said she was there not just that night in michigan, but last night even in atlanta because she felt the need to make the case. she said she had to do something

and she wanted to take her own advice. >> i respect her for that, i do, and i'm not surprised by the reaction, but what i am surprised by is how many seemingly serious people are not taking seriously donald trump's repeated -- repeated use of the phrase enemy from within and, yes, i would use the military and the national guard. so when you repeat something again and again and you have fascist-like tendencies and you say january 6 was a day of love again, again and again, and you say abortion bans are a beautiful thing again, again and again, that is called normalization. that's -- maybe it sounds like a joke, maybe he is not serious, but by the time you realize he's serious it's too late. so, ari, on the legal aspects of this i would worse case scenario

this as a lawyer if you could for us. if donald trump is calling people an enemy from within again and again and again, that is -- and that he would use the military and the national guard, i mean, there is a way to do that. there is a way to do that even without evidence and so how do we look at this? oh, he is just joking? are people who are being named by him supposed to say, ah, he doesn't mean it and it's okay if my buddy's stupid billionaires like jeff bezos vote for him or support him. like it's not okay. and how do we get through to people what is going on here? legally can you explain how a president could actually use his power, a president who the supreme court has given immunity? >> i think we have to take it all very seriously because he is literally telling people that he wants to do and he has a track

record of trying to do many of these things, actually doing some of them and being stopped sometimes previously by a group of people who are no longer around. as you pointed out, mika, courts respond to cases and realities in the country. the trump reality put forward questions about -- about presidential powers and this court with three members appointed by trump and a very right wing ideology granted new powers above the law that we have never seen before. yes, if he is in a second term it's everything he said he would do, it's the anger and retribution as he said i will be a receipt dugs about the things he didn't get done last time, it's the first president to ever interfere with the peaceful transfer of power. it's that person -- >> he is a convicted felon and he's angry. >> awaiting sentencing on that. but it's that person super sized by a supreme court that says remember what a ruling holds. even if you were to go over the

line, even if you were to do something that would be potentially criminal, if it's within the broad powers of the president, which as you just referenced includes the military, includes the national guard and a heck of a lot more, then that can't be pursued or even evidence from that. that is a -- not just a get out of jail free card, that's a commit crime in office card so that's very serious. everyone at this table, everyone in this segment, we all deal with the political elites, people who unfairly have no influence than perhaps the random median voter, we hear more from those people than the voters themselves, these ridiculous arguments that should treat donald trump, a former president, 78-year-old who ran a business as some sort of 10-year-old child who doesn't mean what he says. >> right. >> it's a child-like standard. it's pate needsing to the person it's defending, donald trump, also incorrect and absurd for the public to pick a president that way. i get it from wall street, i

remember this thing that's like it's the bud light defense of donald trump, it's like same great taste for your tax cuts, but less filling, we promise. it's not -- it's not the real thing. and it's this ridiculous defense when, in fact, he has gotten more try dent, more direct, for dis inhibited in the direct threats and things he's saying. that argument which is quite common, i think it's untrue, which is our job as journalists to say but also in their elite circles might be a big shock wave for them if he were to win and find out that that defense isn't going to bear out. >> i see andrew ross sorkin sitting over your shoulder, i'm sure he hears this from business leaders when he says things like are you guys really for tariffs and this is there's like he is pea not actually going to put a 200% tariff on john deere. it's that patronizing he is not able to do all the things he says he will do. we will manage him once he gets in. we saw how that worked out last time.

one more thing from 2020 we learn that the distance from the polls closing to all the mail-in votes and early voting being counted provides time and space for donald trump and his allies to perpetuate conspiracy theories, to say there's something going on in pennsylvania, why don't we know why that happened. that gap has been closed in some but not all states in 2024. to the extent lessons have been learned, do you expect it to be a little quick there are time based on laws that have been passed? >> some states are going earlier, everyone has more experience with the rise of mail-in earlier voting because of it happening more and then everyone has to remember the candidates are free to speak, they have no role in overseeing the election, that includes the former president. if they give a press conference or post online, that is them as candidates, it has nothing to do with this process and as everyone remembers it can sometimes take time. that's not a bad thing under our laws, but each state will talley

its votes. if it's very close it's harder for everyone to project a winner, but each state goes through that process and we have weeks where it goes through local and ultimately federal certification. there are not many ways that this can be affected. so everyone has to take a deep breath, we have to follow the rule of law, but if a candidate -- this is the fairest way i can say it -- if a candidate is angrily lying about the results, that has no actual bearing on the results. >> so as we close this conversation, josh than lemire, what do you make of everything that's been said and what are you looking ahead to today? >> the backdrop is this race couldn't be closer and the stakes are fundamental and the vice president tried to lay those out last night in that speech on -- from the ellipse, warning americans what to come if donald trump would return to the white house, a white house that was perched just over her shoulder. that he would use the power of

the government, the department of justice, maybe even the military against americans who disagree with him. she of course taking a very different approach, suggesting that she would focus on her to-do list for the american people rather than donald trump's enemies list. i think we have learned that we should take trump at his word. the -- what his comments about going after his political opponents should be taken seriously and the vice president is making this part of her closing argument. that the threat to democracy is going to be, i am told, a big part of these last six days of the election but it's not the only thing. they are going to lean in on some kitchen table issues, americans feeling bet before the economy, we have new consumer sentiment numbers in the last day that suggest that and of course the idea of rights, mika, abortion rights in particular and we saw the word freedom, huge letters, behind the vice president last night on that stage. that is going to be that closing, they hope, joyful message. >> ari melber, thank you very much. >> can we show the ari melber --

the lighter? this is available in the nbc store. >> you are not allowed to do that. okay. i found out 18 years ago that that's apparently -- yeah, willie and i had a problem. >> may i say on a lighter note. >> oh, god. >> free mika and let mika light any script she wants. >> thank you. >> any day. >> a great stance. >> some people have no idea what we're talking about, in fact, they weren't even born. that's how old we are. >> 17 years ago, i think. >> it was 18. 18 years ago. >> it's on youtube. >> mika, willie, a lighter and a script that never saw the light of day. ari melber, thank you very much. we will be watching "the beat" weeknights at 6:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up, the ceos of some of america's largest companies are explaining why they're backing harris over trump. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin will have those details for you. as well as the trove of new economic data out this morning

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i don't know. >> it's gone. >> ahead of the important october jobs report due out this friday a new batch of economic data just released showing just how strong the economy is. moments ago the payroll company adp reported private companies added 233,000 jobs in october, that is far more than expected. this as the gross domestic product expanded at 2.8% in the third quarter driven by robust consumer spending and consumer confidence rose more than 11%. the biggest monthly gain since march of 2021 as we were trying to pull ourselves out of the pandemic. joining us now the co-anchor of c snbs "squawk box" and "new york times" columnist andrew ross sorkin. these numbers show further that our economy is the envy of the world. >> the envy of the world. another statistic for you, wages which have been the story when inflation versus wages, now wages up 4.6% for the year. i only say that because -- year over year -- i say that because

it is impossible not to say on any basis that this economy is not blowing -- blowing past all expectations. it's just what is happening. given that we're here, you know, at the 11th hour of this election, any argument from anybody to say that we're not in a robust economy is just not telling you the truth. it's just -- i can't say it in any other way. i would say life is not black and white. that part is black and white. >> the dow may have dipped a little in recent days, it's still up over 42,000. so with that the markets seem to be beginning to bet, some markets, on a trump victory. what is that based on given all the economic data under the biden/harris administration? >> well, i think what's happened is to the extent that there are investors betting that trump is going to win, that is a bet on whatever you think these polls actually show and or a look at these other sort of signals.

so the betting markets on the election show that people who are putting up money for this stuff think that he's going to win. i know there's questions about the veracity of those betting markets. >> right. >> there are people who are looking at bitcoin, crypto, as a signal of something. they are looking at -- >> truth social. >> truth social and the stock as a signal of something. i mean, it makes no economic rational sense. djt is a stock but to the extent you think this is a gamble, i think people are looking at those things right now and we will see whether they hold. >> given the fact that the numbers on the economy that you just put out there are black and white, that's your words, i'm curious there's a lot of viewers being fed disinformation on the economy on a 24/7 basis. joe biden's economy, it's terrible kamala harris' economy it's tear sniebl can't be said with a straight face. >> my bigger question is the

build neris and market movers that you talk about in your circles, on your show, in your reporting, how can they honestly say that trump is a good opportunity for their businesses and this country because ultimately this country's economic health impacts their businesses, does it not? and these are very smart men. they are alpha males, very smart. they have so much money, andrew. >> what's happened and it is to me it's a disgrace and it's sad that there are so many people at the top of the business community who, by the way, have the wealth and wherewithal -- >> but it's self-sabotage isn't it? >> they have the wherewithal to stand up and speak up if they so choose and they are choosing not to out of fear. >> what are they scared of? >> jeff sonnenfeld had a piece with a number of former ceos willing to go on the record on behalf of kamala harris but what's so telling about that is they're former fortune 400

ceos -- >> they're afraid of their company doing a target and going after them. they need to do business with the government and want their deals to go through. they're responsible for their shareholders. >> trump winning is self-sabotage if andrew's information black and white is true, which i believe, that the economy is healthy and doing -- how would you characterize how the economy is doing compared to ten years ago? >> i think you look at what happened, i think this all goes back not just to trump but to even ron desantis with disney. i think people look at these examples of politicians who truly have weaponized their profession against the business community and, therefore, you have business leaders who used to stand up and talk about politics, used to be very -- look, warren buffett used to campaign on behalf of hillary clinton. he was public. he would do rallies. jamie dimon used to donate to

politicians in his own name. he doesn't do this anymore. i mean, there's a real shift that's happening in america. we talked about jeff bezos yesterday. i'm just saying there is a whole group of people who i think live today in a different sense of fear and, by the way, i think they also look at these different signals in markets and say, well, if it's this close and there is a chance that he's going to win, where am i going to be on the other side of that? i'm not sympathizing with it, i'm just suggesting to you that i think when we try to understand how this is all happening, why this is happening, that's what it is and it's sad to me. >> so they're choosing their self-interest, their own personal needy self-interest as opposed to the country? >> look, i think if you have that kind of wealth, especially at those levels -- >> you don't care. >> you should care. >> if people who have that kind of wealth can't stand up, who can. >> i know. >> i mean, that is the question. >> thank you. >> right? you know, but what you've seen

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welcome back. nbc news has exclusive reporting on comments made by house speaker mike johnson, promising, quote, massive changes to the way health care works in this

country if donald trump wins the presidency again. the remarks came on monday night in pennsylvania at a campaign event for a republican house candidate. let's bring in nbc news senior national political reporter sahil kapur. what more do you know about this? >> mika, speaker mike johnson is reopening the politically explosive debate over the affordable care act, also known as obamacare, just one week before election day. he told attendees at a closed door campaign event in pennsylvania that if donald trump wins the election republicans will look to make massive changes to the health care system. he wasn't specific about what exactly they would do but he made clear that deregulation would be a part of t when he was asked about obamacare he also took a shot at the law. let me play you exactly what he said in in footage that nbc news obtained exclusively. take a look. >> we want to take a blow torch to the regulatory state, okay? i mean, these agencies weaponize against the people, it's crushing the free market, it's like a boot on the neck of job

creators and entrepreneurs and risk takers and so health care is one of the sectors but we need this across the board and trump is going to go big. he's only going to have one more term, right? he's going to be thinking about legacy and we're going to fix these things. >> no obamacare? >> no more obamacare. the acs is so deeply ingrained, we need massive reform to make this work and we have a lot of ideas on how to do that. >> no obamacare, that part caught the attention of the harris campaign which put out this statement saying, quote, health care son the ballot this november, speaker mike surgeons season making clear that if donald trump wins he and his project 2025 allies in congress will make sure there is, quote, no obamacare. now johnson's office issued a punchy response to the harris campaign, effectively saying he did not call for ending the aca and accusing her team of lying about him. a johnson spokesman told me harris' desperation has her lying about speaker johnson, too, and the audio transcript and even the nbc news article her campaign cites makes clear the speaker made no such

comments. effectively they're saying they didn't call for wiping out the aca, he is calling for making changes to it. what is mike johnson proposing to do? that is unclear. his office declined to say what kind of health care reforms he wants when i asked them and wouldn't say which parts of the aca should stay, which should go, what should be changed. all this have comes in context of donald trump promising to replace the aca, to finish the job he tried and failed in his first term when he attempted with mike johnson's help to roll back the bill. trump has only said that he has concept of a plan. kamala harris says that only plan is repeal. finally what's at stake, this law has extended coverage to more than 45 million people in the u.s. according to government figures because of the subsidies to buy insurance and the government regulations that prohibit insurers from turning away people with preexisting conditions or charging them higher prices. that's why some republicans want to turn the page on this battle, seeing it as a political liability but trump and their party's leaders might have other

ideas. a late twist in the final stretch this have election with six days to go. >> let me bring in symone sanders on this. with 45 million people on these health carols what are the chances -- i mean, they rip it away, that's their plan. i believe them. i believe the speaker. what's the -- what are the chances given the way trump has treat this had issue and made promises on this issue to replace that they would even have an alternative for americans who desperately need health care? >> i don't think that an alternative actually exists. i think this is an example of republicans in congress and within trump's apparatus trying to build the plane as they fly it because if there was any kind of details i think we would have heard some by now. i will say people should definitely believe that this is a possibility, famously john mccain is the person that kept the affordable care act from being repealed during donald

trump's first administration. it was his one vote, voting with the democrats in the senate, that saved the affordable care act. the senate is definitely on the line this election. i don't know if there will be others who -- if there is a current sitting republican senator that will be willing to fill that gap if donald trump is reelected president and it comes down to these votes, if you will, in the senate. i think americans should pay attention to this. the harris campaign and democrats writ large down ballot would be wise to highlight this issue in their final days to their voters. health care is something as you know, mika, and this issue of protections, if you will, of the affordable care act, this is something that people can viscerally respond to, something they can touch and feel and identifies with their every day life. having health care being taken away is something voters like seniors particularly are very sensitive and attune to and is a motivating factor for them at the ballot box this cycle.

>> over the years the affordable care act has become overwhelmingly popular in this country because 45 million people now enjoy health care thanks to it. sahil, i want to ask you about this moment from donald trump's sunday rally in madison square garden. >> you know, with me we've got to get the congressmen elected and we've got to get the senators elected because we can take the senate pretty easily and i think with our little secret we're going to do really well with the -- right? our little secret is having a big impact. he and i have a secret, we will tell you what it is when the race is over. >> house speaker johnson was asked about that. what did he say from his end? >> it's interesting, jonathan, at first speaker johnson joked that the health care plan that the health care plan was the little secret. but he addressed it a head-on separately in that rally. mike johnson effectively laughed it off saying, it's nothing scandalous. we're having a ball with this. the media, their heads are

exploding. he said it's a get out the vote effort. why he would call that a secret. the reason this has sparked concern is donald trump still hasn't conceded the 2020 election and speaker johnson was one of the people who tried to help him subvert the certification of the results on january 6th, vote to block the results and make the case against joe biden's certification. johnson laughing it off saying there's nothing nefarious going on. >> thank you so much. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." ack with much more "morning joe."

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bases loaded, two out. deep left field. redemption! >> anthony volpe, new york yankee shortstop hitting a grand

slam. things were bleak for the yankees down 2-1 in game four, trying to avoid the sweep. and the life long yankee fan who grew up in new york city and later in new jersey hits a grand slam. anthony volpe, as a kid, an 8-year-old, was at the 2009 world series parade as a fan. now hitting a grand slam. there he is at the parade staving off elimination. we've got gerrit cole going tonight. we like our odds tonight at home. maybe they finish us off at home, but at least not on our field. >> it is nice to get to sports. i notice barnacle is not here. these guys disappear. any good yankee news and they just can't accept it. they can't take it in. so, i'm going to take it in for all of us. and do not count the yankees out. do not count them out. >> i'm going to cut sports off now and close the show. is that okay? anything else you desperately need to say about sports? >> done. >> done? okay.

we're done too. that does it for us this morning. ana cabrera picks up the coverage after a quick final break. break.

right now on "ana cabrera reports," we are counting down. six days to go. vice president harris delivers her campaign's closing argument, casting herself as a uniter and donald trump as a, quote, petty tyrant. plus president biden sets off a firestorm while addressing racist remarks at trump's new york rally. the white house's big pushback this morning. also ahead, trump's new comments about puerto rico, as controversy overshadows his final stretch. and his fresh attempts to cast doubt about the vote. and later, a warning from nikki haley. her message to trump world about its strategy and the women's vote with days