vice president kamala harris crossing state lines and party lines hitting a trifecta of swing states today after making the closing argument that she will be a president for everyone. where she's going and the musicians she's bringing with to help her as beyonce put it, sing in a new song. and cleanup, republicans and democrats responding to president joe biden's garbage comment to the racist rhetoric, his response to the racist rhetoric to a comedian at donald trump's rally. plus, trash talk, donald trump fundraising off biden's comments and what trump said just moments ago. plus, bottom line, at key economic reports as consumers are spending big. what it tells us about the strength of the u.s. economy right now. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments but we start in pennsylvania. kamala harris's second stop of the day, as she tries to close the deal in critical battleground states.

nbc's kelly o'donnell is in harrisburg forest, kelly, what's going on there. >> you might be able to hear the marching band playing. we have a crowd in a city that is the capital of the commonwealth. it happens to also bear the candidate's name. harrisburg. and as you were mentioning triple play, that's exactly the thought i had on any mind about these three critical battleground states that the vice president is visiting today, trying to close the deal in the upper northwest, and to use this important day coming off of her closing argument speech that had tens of thousands on the ellipse and extending into the national mall in washington, talking about how she wants to close the deal. part of her message today to voters in north carolina, and i expect she'll do it when she arrives here in pennsylvania and harrisburg as well is to talk about some action steps for those voters who have either voted themselves already or can assist to try to galvanize

community level support, talking to friends and neighbors to get it done. here's how the vice president described it a short time ago. >> so right now, it's time to go out from here and knock on some doors. time to text, call some voters. time to reach out to family and friends and classmates and coworkers and neighbors. and as we do, let us please be intentional about building community. let us please be intentional about building coalitions. because through all of that, we strengthen our nation. >> reporter: and that theme gives you an idea of some of the worst she's trying to do today, emphasizing working together, building coalitions.

that certainly plays into the larger narrative that she's amplifying out of her closing argument, she says she will be a president for all americans, even though who have not voted for her or won't vote for her. of course that also includes the discussion that's happening in the national conversation about president biden's comments, about criticism of a speaker at a trump rally, and talking about how these candidates and their supporters are talking about other americans. that's part of what is in this final week. i also checked with top harris aides today about the status of the vice president's own vote. she has not cast her ballot yet. they say she does intend to do that in vote by mail. she has a few days to do that. the theme of this day is building on what she's done tonight, amplifying the message of her closing argument, which is about some of her plans and about speaking to all americans to try to say that she would represent all of them.

that's certainly timely given some of the messages coming from the trump campaign now, and how they are seizing on some of the comments made by president biden last night. chris. president biden accused of insulting trump supporters. nbc's yamiche alcindor is tracking this. yamiche, what are we hearing in response to president biden's garbage comment? >> within short order of president biden making this comment, the white house and white house aides say that he would say the rhetoric of some trump supporters as garbage. some seized on this saying he was calling trump supporters garbage. within short order of that, you had harris campaign aides telling me privately this was not helpful to her. this was just a distraction from what was a big night yesterday. i was out there in the national mall when thousands and thousands, something like 75 to 60,000 people were out there cheering for her. the vice president herself has weighed in, sort of putting

distance between herself and what the president has said. take a listen to what she said. >> first of all, he clarified his comments, but let me be clear. i strongly disagree with any criticism of people based on who they vote for. you heard my speech last night, and continuously throughout my career. i believe that the work that i do is about representing all people, whether they support me or not. >> now, it's really interesting that she's talking about sort of listen to my speech last night. last night she was really saying in very broad terms that she wanted to be a president for all people, that she wanted, even if you were a trump supporter, she wanted to bring you in to her tent. she has made it a point of campaigning with a number of republicans, so this is really, i think, a moment for her to say this is not what i want to be part of the headlines in these last closing days here. i will, though, tell you that we

have had reporting for several weeks now that said that president biden is not welcome on the campaign trail. when i talked to campaign aides myself, who say there's a reason why he's not on the ticket and that putting him on the campaign trail would remind of what democrats had to go through, going back and forth, whether he would get pushed off the ticket, the campaign isn't welcoming president biden. i will say, though, that the vice president has been very respectful of him. she's still very much been praising what her and he did through his administration, the biden/harris administration. they often say. so she's trying to walk a fine line. the comments not helping, especially on a day when she wants to talk about the speech last night. >> yamiche alcindor, thank you. donald trump, you can see him speaking at a rally in north carolina. it's in the only competitive congressional district, and he has addressed joe biden's comments. nbc's garrett haake is in wisconsin where trump is holding an event later today. but what is trump saying right

now, garrett? >> reporter: chris, good afternoon from an unseasonably warm green bay where the line has already started to form for the next trump event of the day. the first event in north carolina, donald trump wasted no time retopping, rejiggering his stump speech to attack joe biden and kamala harris for those remarks from the president last night. he clearly wants to make this part of his closing message. listen to what he just told supporters in north carolina. >> joe biden finally said what he and kamala really think of our supporters. he called them garbage. [ crowd booing ] >> and they mean it. even though without question, my supporters are far higher quality than crooked joe or lying kamala. my response to joe and kamala is very simple, you can't lead america if you don't love

america. joe biden's comments were the direct result of kamala and tim walz, you know who that is? his decision to portray everyone who isn't voting for them as evil or subhuman, you're not subhuman. >> reporter: so, chris, the trump campaign has made it clear that they're going to try to use these remarks and blot out the sun with them. that's a quote from a trump adviser to nbc news in the next couple of days. they found great success motivating trump supporters when hillary clinton made the remark about deplorables back in 2016. obviously different circumstance with that being the nominee, that happening in september, not the race's closing days. the trump campaign thinks this is galvanize their base, if not necessarily persuade people who might be on the fence. obviously is risks drawing trump's own divisive comments back into the spotlight he gives

every rally attacking democrats. but the trump campaign views these comments from joe biden essentially as a political gift in the race's final hours, and it won't be the last that you hear from donald trump about those comments today and, again, in the next several days here on the campaign trail, chris. >> looks like it's a great day to be in green bay, wisconsin. garrett haake, i'm glad the sun is shining. thank you so much for that. the encouraging economic data, coming days before the election. nbc's brian cheung is here in studio with me. we've got three days in a row of big economic numbers. the first one, positive. >> consumer confidence came in a 108.7. what does that mean? it tells you that consumer confidence is up. that's a tick up from the month prior. it tells you that people are a little bit more optimistic about their odds in the jobs markets, of finding a job. they feel more positive about their income growing and lastly, about their ability to buy homes and cars. that's encouraging after peak inflation the summer of 2022.

that was yesterday. this morning we got a data point on the growth of the american economy, it's called gdp. it grew by 2.8%. you can see that figure ahead of you. all of those numbers are positive, chris. in a recession, if we were in a recession, those numbers would be negative. this economy is growing by more than economists expected. one economist describing these numbers as quote, putting the american economy in a very good spot. that's a key point ahead of this election as people go to the polls. we still have one more data point to watch. what is that? that's a jobs report on friday. that's going to be a really interesting one. that could have the negative impacts of two hurricanes, in addition to the strike at boeing. we have to see whether or not that thumbs the scales on the election. could be a bad print, days before people go to the polls. that's going to be an open question. the hurricane and strike weighing heavily on that romplt report. we'll have to see. >> from a political perspective,

do people vote because of numbers or do they vote because of the way they feel? there is some indication in those numbers that they feel better. >> when you talk think about gdp that's not a thing that people are talking about at the dinner table. but when it comes to confidence, the numbers when it comes to the jobs figures, inflation figures, that may not match up how people feel but the consumer confidence reading is an economist's way the best and closest read we have to how people are viewing from an optimistic or pessimistic standpoint in the economy. do they carry that with them to the polls? is it going to be different in some areas than others? that's an open question. up next on "chris jansing reports," the democratic senator in ohio is hoping the obama coalition can help him keep his seat. so who's missing from this picture? and later this hour, when will we have a winner? two election experts standing by

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in ohio, senator sherrod brown is leaning into his blue collar union routes, trying to win over moderates who have gone for trump in previous races. yesterday, our ali vitali spoke to brown about running his own

race as a democrat in a republican state. >> i'm not sitting up at night thinking, well, kamala does this or if joe biden does this -- >> reporter: you know this state well. >> i do. i know what i need to do to win. i need to do what i have done my whole career, stand up for workers. >> nbc's ali vitali joins me now on the ground in strongsville, ohio. miked hardaway is a spokesperson and communications director for leader jeffries. good to have both of you. i think that whole area where you are is where you're going to find those voters that sherrod brown is looking for. tell me a little more about your conversation with him. >> reporter: that's exactly right. those so-called ticket splitters are the ones we came here to find. they are central to the formula that sherrod brown is trying to use to win reelection here. it's one that he has been able to do before, twice, in fact, but now watching the ways that this state has only become more

red and only driven more into the trump column, my question to brown and my question to voters yesterday were there are ticket splitters left, but will there be enough of them. listen to how the senator answered? >> you need trump supporters who say, i know you! sure. sure. >> and how do they reconcile that? >> i ask him. >> reporter: i have been trying top find them. >> there are a lot of them around. >> reporter: one of the people i spoke to, they're around but in less numbers lately. why? >> there will be enough. i say this, and it's not a cliche that people don't see politics. i don't see politics as left or right. >> reporter: and so, look, the way that he is trying to run is putting party aside, and talking to people as people. whether it's about the economy or pro union and being there for workers in ohio, specifically in the area that we caught up with him last night, where it was previously blue but trump was able to turn it red.

those are areas brown is going to have to keep purple if we want to keep with the color metaphor to win reelection. the other striking thing he's trying to do here is tune out the national noise and only focus on what's happening in ohio. when i asked him about the way that trump talks about tariffs or the way that biden and harris are talking about trump as a fascist, he was not engaging with the central premise of those questions from a political standpoint. he made the point on tariffs, for example, that he's trying to look at the way that it impacts ohioans and that it's something that he was able to push and push back on trump with in the past. he could do that again, if it's trump that's elected in office. on the other side of it, he's not engaging in the premise of whether trump is a threat to democracy or a fascist, he's trying to engage with voters. less on the personality of national figures and more on who he will be as someone who has served this area for many years, and wants to continue doing it for another term. >> you sense the frustration.

he's trying to sell himself in a place he's been elected and reelected. presumably people know who he is and what he brings to the table. >> reporter: presumably people do. it's a question of if we are so tribalized right now that people will vote in a way that doesn't make them solidly republican or solidly democratic. that is an open question that voters are grappling with nationally. the one thing i said to the senator who, and yes, you can feel a little bit of the tension in there, as he tries to divorce his race from the national landscape is that nothing actually happens in a vacuum. trump voters are listening to the things that democrats are saying. democrats are listening to the things that trump is saying. so all of this is really in the same pot, and it's whether or not voters ultimately decide, yeah, i like the guy i know, and i can also like former president trump. that's going to be the key here: and if you listen to senator brown. he says he was able to do it in 2018 after this state went red,

and he thinks he'll be able to do it again now. >> thank you very much, ali vitali. michael, is there any other way to run in a state that is as red as ohio is now if you're a democrat than the way he's running, which is i am staying out of this fray on the national level. i'm just going to talk to people as ohioans? >> listen, as democrats, he's our last best vote in terms of holding that seat in that state. if you're a working american from any background, really, he is a last of a dying breed as an add advocate for working people, really the person in washington fighting for them. >> do you think it's about a shiny new thing? people sometimes do get tired of the same person in office. just that. >> it's a tough environment for him in that state in this current national environment, and so i'd say this to you, he's up against a guy who's a millionaire who seems to have some sort of ethical issues, and

i think he pulls out. at the end of the day, he focuses on what matters, what most voters care about, their pocketbook and job and prices. >> michael hardaway, you're going to stick with us. we have exclusive new reporting coming up that reveals one of the options that donald trump could use to deliver on his promise of the largest mass deportation in history if he gets elected. withholding money from any local law enforcement that refuses to help him. nbc's julie roginsky julia ains team who broke this story. >> in short, what they are trying to do is come up with legal strategies that would allow them to get more local law enforcement to help them round up immigrants and deport them. in order to deport the 2 million migrants or more, they would need the help of local law enforcement unless they would be

able to get the funding to make isis's annual budget ten times what it is. what do they do when it comes to sanctuary cities and blue states, they're looking to take away federal funding through a doj grant program that goes to state and local law enforcement, and basically say, look, if you're not going to help us deport immigrants, you will no longer have access to this pool of $250 million for federal funding for police. it doesn't go for arrests, it goes for things like rehab centers and court programs, things that a lot of these places in underserved areas find really necessary. they very well could end up back in court because of this, chris. they were challenged when they tried this in the last administration, and they were not successful. they did, however, appeal to the supreme court. it's not clear where the supreme court will land on this.

ultimately biden administration pulled the appeal. we know this is something under consideration because frankly, without the support of state and local law enforcement, they wouldn't be able to get to trump's goal of the biggest deportation in u.s. history. >> julia ainsley, thank you. and coming up on "chris jansing reports," the harris campaign on the hunt for voters who have never cast a ballot before. will they help carry her to the white house? house?

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kamala harris is out super charging her coalition with her closing argument in the rear view mirror, she's casting the widest possible net to bring this that sliver of low propensity voters, using every tool in the box, including the many celebrities and surrogates on her roster, some of them joining her in three battleground states she'll visit today alone. nbc's shaquille brewster is reporting from madison, wisconsin. michael hardaway is back with me. shaq, we just heard kamala harris give a very specific message to young voters in north carolina, and i wonder if you think that's going to set the stage for where you are later told. >> reporter: i think that's definitely the case, chris, and it highlights a little bit of the strategy right now, which is about turnout. the campaign is saying that they're looking to mobilize young voters and nontraditional voters, and here in wisconsin where the vice president will be later today, they're not hiding what's going ton tonight, they're calling it a concert and rally for vice president harris, and they're using some big

names, big bands to draw out young people, mumford and sons, gracie abrams, and when they get here, the hope is they will hear this message and really plea from the vice president that we just heard in raleigh. listen to what we just heard from her. >> you young leader, you have only known the climate crisis and are leading the charge to protect our planet and our future. you young leaders who grew up with active shooter drills, who are trying to keep our schools safe. you, who have known fewer rights than your mothers and grandmothers and are standing up to fight for freedom to make your own decisions about your own bodies. none of this for you young leaders is theoretical. this is not theoretical for you. it is not political for you. for our young leaders, this is your lived experience.

and i see you. and i see your power. and i am so proud of you. >> reporter: and that's the message that she'll likely be making here in madison later today. this is a part of this battleground state that democrats do whatever they can to juice up the turnouts because not only is it the fastest growing part of the state but it's a part of the state where you see some really outsized margins for democrats. if you look, just back at 2020, for example, president biden winning in this county with about 76% of the vote, it's not just about people showing up, but it's making sure as many people show up as possible especially when you have a college campus, big college campus in this town, in the city, chris. >> thank you for that, shaq. and madison always gets the good concerts somehow. every campaign cycle. look, the young voters, we talk about them every single cycle, what impact they could have.

they are the kind of voters where maybe they slept in or they've got an exam and they decide not to go. they are pushing heavy from the harris campaign, including michelle obama last night, mobilizing first time voters. take a listen. >> our priorities have gotten a little off whack. we got a lot of folks thirsty for likes from their followers. but uninterested in the needs of their communities. we got folks excited to vote on reality shows, but not willing to vote for their actual reality. >> she also has daughters who are in, i think, their early 20s. she knows how to speak to that generation, but in a world, to her point, where politics can be so dark, how do you get young voters to be excited about going to the polls? they have been through covid.

they are facing, many of them, an uncertain future. will this stuff work? >> it will. you have to speak to what matters to them. what matters to them? housing prices that remain high, and really as they come out of college, they don't know where to go. i think this administration really has to chart a path for those people to help them understand what's possible, and help them understand she knows what they're dealing with and she cares. >> i also want to bring in michael steele, the former rnc chairman, host of "the weekend" on msnbc. kamala harris is leaning into this contrast, right, in the final stretch. by the way, nice t-shirt. and, yeah, yesterday, did it yesterday. it's one we watch play out in realtime last night because i first watched kamala harris in washington, d.c. and then donald trump in allentown, pennsylvania.

i want to play to you their very different messages for women. >> i believe in the fundamental freedom of americans to make decisions about their own bodies and not have their government tell them what to do. i will fight to restore what donald trump and his hand selected supreme court justices took away from the women of america. >> i'm going to protect our women from criminals coming into our country. are there any women in this giant massive arena that do not want protection, please raise your hand. >> one is about abortion, the other is about immigration. do they speak, michael, to the same thing? how candidates view women. >> precisely. precisely. this is all about how they see women individually, right, as kamala and trump, but more

importantly, how they see women as part of the country. one is where your individualism, your opportunities are respected and lifted up and pushed out in front of the country. the other is where daddy is going to protect you. you need me to protect you because you're otherwise weak. you can't make those decisions without my help. you need men to inform you on how to behave, on what to do, on what to say. that's the next part of this. how do you -- how do you say -- make the statement, who needs me to protect you. how many women don't want to be protected? now, we have this notion of male protection of women when they are threatened, when they are threatened. not when they are the ones who are the threat. and so when men become the threat to the interest of women, it becomes a very different conversation for women when you

start asking them about protection because then it's like protection from whom, you? yeah, i'm with her. you know, and that's the shift, i think, kamala harris has been very successful as making with particularly white suburban women, and within that cohort, republican women. we've seen it now, chris, in kansas and ohio. we're going to see it this november on ballot initiatives across the country. the seven states or so that have abortion on their ballots. we're going to see that shift play itself out. the question is do they say -- and i find this very hard to believe, that a woman says, i want the independence of choice, and therefore vote for ballot initiative, but then said i still need daddy to protect me and i'm voting for trump: i just don't see how those two things align. >> all right. michael hardaway, one of the

interesting things, to watch a kamala harris speech like that, and then to watch donald trump was that you've heard all of these contrasts, and there was another one in just the way they told their supporters to vote. >> you'll have the chance to make a decision that directly impacts your life, the life of your family, and the future of this country we love. >> by the way, you got to get out and vote, otherwise i would be very embarrassed. this is all subject to you voting. you vote, we don't have a problem in the world. >> so both are speaking to crowds of supporters, right? speaking to the converts, but what will undecided voters make of that? >> the first candidate had a plan that was self-empowerment. you make your own decisions for your life, and the other guy had concepts of a plan that seemed to be absolutely nothing. i'll decide for you. i think undecided voters go with

the former. at the end of the day, every single adult wants to make their own decision, and that's what the harris campaign is saying to all americans of all stripes and all backgrounds. >> i got to ask you something we just learned, michael steele, in this case, i have two michaels here. hillary clinton is going on the campaign trail three days before the election. she's going to host a get out the vote rally in tampa. i was in touch with a democratic official in the state yesterday. she was saying to me that she felt movement, that she felt was going to help the down ballot races. she wasn't suggesting that suddenly this was a horse race there. maybe the senate race is closer than some people thought it might be. anyway, what do you make of hillary clinton going to florida of all places, not a battleground state? >> well, bully for her. it's good to see her out on the campaign trail. hillary takes a lot of knocks from inside and outside of her

party, and i think it's important for her as the first woman to be the nominee of a political party for the presidency, and to run the race that she ran in '16, yeah, i think that's important for her to be probably as strategic as having her in tampa, versus a battleground state. there are other things that are already operationalized in those battleground states that hillary may not add to. in a place like florida, goes back to what i was saying, there are other things driving the vote in florida, besides the top of the ticket, to the extent you're looking at this as i do as a former chairman from the bottom up, to the extent she can draw up voters around abortion, around the cannabis issue, around whatever else is going on on the ground, in parts of tampa and florida, may help upstream at the top of the ticket, it's good. the other thing, if i could real quick, i want to comment on the other aspect of the video you just showed of the two

candidates asking for their vote, one candidate, kamala, said, just to michael's point, i need you to vote basically for you. this vote is for you, for your empowerment and your future. donald trump was, hey, if you don't vote, i don't win, it's about me. that contrast is also something that the harris campaign is playing up a great deal, you know, that he has a checklist of things that are not in your interest. my checklist is for you. whatever you need us to do, that's what my government will do. his argument is i just need you to give me the power of government and then i'm good. >> michael hardaway, michael steele, thank you, gentlemen, it's great to talk to both of you. i appreciate it. coming up on "chris jansing reports," another nbc exclusive o concepts of a plan to a look inside the future of health care in america. our reporter got a glimpse into the republican road map if the

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just moments ago, former south carolina governor nikki haley started speaking on the campaign trail in pennsylvania, but not for former president trump. she's campaigning with senate candidate dave mccormick. the one time trump rival turned supporter has been noticeably missing on the trail after endorsing trump, and was asked

about him just last night. >> last time i talked to him was back in june. >> so are you surprised that you haven't been deployed out to campaign or have you volunteered to campaign for him directly? >> they're very aware that we're on stand by. >> haley says there's no bad blood between them. in purely political terms, her absence from the trail is notable since she won about 20% of voters in the republican primaries and voters are what kamala harris has been courting. nikki haley voters. and the health care fight is back. republicans saying outloud they'll go after obamacare, and vice president harris making that part of her closing argument. >> you will pay even more if donald trump finally gets his way and repeals the affordable care act, which would throw millions of americans off of their health insurance and take

us back to when insurance companies have the power to deny people with preexisting conditions. well, we are not going back. >> nbc's sahil kapur has new reporting from d.c., and i know sahil, you have an nbc exclusive about what health care could look like under a trump presidency. and republican congress. so tell us about it. >> hey, chris, well, these comments were made at a pennsylvania event on monday that speaker mike johnson spoke at which wasn't advertised to the press. i obtained the footage through a source that was there. the republican speaker promised the crowd of supporters that there would be major changes to the health care system if donald trump wins the election that it would be a big part of the first hyundai agenda and that the gop would take a blow torch, his words, including on health care, and then the topic of obamacare or the affordable care act, take a listen to mike johnson.

>> no obamacare. >> the aca is deeply ingrained, we need massive reform to make this work, and we got a lot of ideas on how to do that. >> reporter: and that quote, no obamacare has sparked heavy push back from the harris campaign, which says health care is on the ballot, and trump and johnson and other republicans would make sure there's no obama care if they win. this is a politically sensitive topic. we're talking about health care coverage for more than 45 million people as a result of this law and its subsidies and government regulations, and speaker johnson's office is vociferously objecting to his characterization he's vowing to end obamacare, and said the law is ingrained. having said that that, a spokesperson declined to elaborate when i asked which parts of massive reform is he looking at, which should stay, be eliminated, he has not gotten specifics on any fronts. i reached out to the trump

campaign who said, repealing obama is not president trump's policy decision. donald trump spent four years of his presidency fight to go repeal the aca. legislatively with the help of mike johnson through executive actions and by asking the courts to eliminate it. now he says he doesn't want to repeal it, even though last month in the presidential debate he said it's lousy, and he wants to replace it. what does he want to replace it with? his press secretary said promoting choice and providing access. but didn't provide specifics. the health care alternative, concepts of a plan. >> sahil kapur, thank you. in 90 seconds, we'll answer the question you have had on your mind throughout this election season. when will we have a winner. ave r e breztri for my copd i noticed things changed. breztri gave me better breathing starting within 5 minutes. it also reduced flare-ups.

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winner could be declared quickly. two of my nbc news colleagues who understand all of the possibilities well join me. mark murray, and john lipinski, director of elections who joins us from the decision desk. good to see you both. john, pennsylvania put biden over the top four days after election day, and there were other states, though, that were called later. nevada, north carolina, georgia wasn't called until 15 days after election day. i don't know, are the days of projecting a winner on election night over? i think it sort of depends. i mean, i actually think that 2020 might have been an anomaly . when we look at the changes that happened, we were conducting an election during the pandemic. in places like pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, georgia, north carolina, i'm expecting because of more people, new machines, and just not having to do the election, you know, in a pandemic that we can get the

results quicker, so i would say, chris, that it's kind of 50/50 with those five states where we could actually call them say on wednesday or they may take days, and what's going to be important there is whether the races are essential ties, like in places like georgia, you know, sort of and also in arizona. i call those races ties, and with ties it takes days. >> mark, as john points out, some states have changed how and when they're counting since 2020. tell us what you're going to be watching as the returns start to come in. >> john has the big job of counting all the ballots from our decision desk and crunching the numbers. i'm going to be the consumer of their data. chris, what i'm going to be looking for obviously are a lot of the early counting vote states on the east coast, places like florida. and florida was a race that donald trump ended up winning by three points since 2020, but they count very very fast. while it might not give an indication of who's going to win, we'll be able to see how strong or weak donald trump is

running in a state he ended up win by 3 percentage points in 2020. north carolina also counts quickly. virginia is another state that counts very quickly, and while that should be in the democratic lean column, we're just going to be able to see harris's strength or weakness, and so i think we're going to get a lot of clues very early. john's exactly right. it is possible that we might take 24 hours or longer before we count through all of those states. particularly the ones in the great lakes region. >> john, this isn't your area of expertise, but could potentially legal challenges hold things up. and ultimately, without getting too much into the technical data, how do you folks decide what says to you, yeah, we're okay. we can call this state. and then the big enchilada, right, the election? >> well, i mean, i'll take the second question first, and you know, at nbc, you know, and for the decisions, before we put in

a check mark, we have to be absolutely certain that the winner is the winner, that the second place candidate cannot catch. and so we are, chris, looking at dozens of models. we'll probably, like, our models will run 2 million times for computations on election models. it's a crazy amount of data we're looking at. there's a dozen of us looking at the results, and we have to convince ourselves, not that we're right, but that we're not wrong. they can be absolutely sort of no payoff for the second place candidate to catch. that's when we actually put the check mark. in terms of the certification process, i think that that's going to be something that everybody's going to look at. no one knows what will happen. we obviously had a few problems sort of in the past election where some county officials, you know, potentially were, you know, thinking that maybe they wouldn't certify and a couple of instances they actually didn't. nbc is ready for whatever happens to sort of assess and analyze that in realtime.

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