good to be with you, i'm katy tur. six days now until election day.

more than 54 million people have cast their ballot. that's more than a third of all the ballots cast in 2020 which, by the way, was the largest american election ever. one that broke records with asian voters, female voters and the percentage of eligible voters period. as 66.8%, nearly 70% of citizens 18 and older went to the polls. will this election exceed that one? after a slow start to 2024, enthusiasm for next week's deadline is peaking. donald trump sold out that all-day affair at madison square garden on sunday. the campaign says 30,000 people showed up, if you count the folks they had to turn away. then vice president harris gathered 75,000 on the ellipse in washington, d.c. last night according to their campaign estimate. a crowd that stretched all the way to the lincoln memorial. crowd size certainly mattered in

2016 when donald trump dominated enthusiasm. is going to matter next week? if it does, do the messages given by each candidate at those final heavily viewed rallies help or hurt that enthusiasm? when we're talking about trump's closing argument, republican nikki haley isn't so sure it helps. here she is on fox. >> they also need to look at how they're talking about women. i mean, this bromance and this masculinity stuff, i mean, it borders on edgy to the point that it's going to make women uncomfortable. you know, you've got affiliated pacs that are doing commercials about calling kamala the c word or speakers at madison square garden referring to her and her pimps. that is not the way to win women. that is not the way to win people concerned about trump's style. this is the time to talk about the economy. this is the time to talk about immigration. this is the time to talk about national security. >> it is not just the puerto

rico joke, it's much more, she warns. the vibes are bad. that's what she's saying. what about harris? the campaign says they are hammering trump as a fascist, and promoting herself, and her agenda, her to do list, instead of his revenge list. some pundits and old campaign hacks worry that too much attention is being paid to trump as a fascist. in fact, you've heard some of that worry on this very show. but reporters who were out there in swing states say the messaging voters are hearing locally is a lot more tailored than what we see nationally. from dave weigel of semafor, don't get too obsessed with the news cycle, i see lots of advice from the candidates to pivot away from discussions they see on tv like democracy and fascism that are tied to the outrage of the moment for trump. but what swing state voters are seeing is very consistent, and often closer to what the campaign's critics say is the stronger message.

joining us now, political reporter with the philadelphia inquirer, julia taruso, author of "in trump's shadow," david drucker, politics reporter, the man we just name checked, dave weigel, and "new york times" reporter and msnbc contributor, david peters. i gave you the last word in the opening soliloquy into the show. tell me what you're seeing in swing states. >> which ads are they running, the harris campaign actually has economy focused ads, boiling down her basic promises, the promises on housing, the promises to crack down on price gouging, more health care access, medicare covering home care. you're hearing that all the time, if you're watching tv or just looking on you tube in these swing states. the democracy message has been a response, remember, not to what

democrats are saying, but reporting about what mark milley thought of donald trump in bob woodward's book. what the campaign is trying to do is blend together that argument, trump can't serve as president again. we can't let him back in that role, given what his former employees have said. the economic benefits, the trump campaign has some of that, you watch their ads, they're often 50/50, the first 15 seconds is attacking harris over gender policies, blaming her for the biden economy. sometimes misleading about what she's done. she's going to keep biden's border in the full quote. going to keep the border restrictions and he's going to cut your taxes and make life more affordable. the daily discussion, the insult contest, et cetera, those don't make it on to the air. >> here's the thing about campaign ads, once you put them

on tv, you don't really have to be truthful, unless you're inciting violence. there is no federal rule that you have to tell the truth, and broadcast networks can't say no to the ads, they have to air them. it's really interesting, so you can get away with quite a lot. julia, tell me what you're seeing. i mean, you live there in philadelphia. you're in pennsylvania. what are you seeing out there? what are you hearing from voters? >> yeah, i mean, voters on the ground are, i think, anxious, they feel that the stakes are high, they have been inundated for months and months and months. i think there's some fatigue creeping in from seeing ad after ad after ad. i think harris's campaign is hoping that that closing argument about democracy works, but she is running a lot of ads about the economy which remains the biggest issue for voters here. and i do hear voters struggling with those two things. they'll say, i don't like donald trump. i didn't like what january 6th represented, but i like his

policies and i'm worried about my grocery bills. so, you know, that's the kind of balance they're trying to strike, and that is what i hear from voters too. >> there has been this hand wringing about kamala harris going too hard on trump's danger to democracy. there is polling that says that's not the most effective thing to voters generally as well. it only really works when it's coming from people who worked with donald trump, the john kellys, jim mattis, and mark milleys of the world. is this hand wringing something that you're seeing extend to the worry maybe within the kamala harris campaign or no? >> so, i think you can follow polls and message testing out the window, right? there's only so much that that can really tell you. i do think that dave is right, as usual, with the fascist messaging. most americans have no idea what the word fascist means.

they know it's bad. but that's not going to be effective more somebody, the very few who are left who are trying to decide between trump and harris. those voters are people who are last time held their nose and voted for biden and this time are likely to hold their nose and vote for trump again. and you reach those by ads like one that i saw recently which was extremely effective, i thought. it was of a man talking about his daughter, and what kind of world he wanted his daughter to grow up in and how that wasn't a world with trump as president, given his history with women and how he treats them and the issues with choice we know are so on voters' minds, all americans' minds, really. so there has to be a certain nuance to the messaging that i don't think people who are following the race at the most macro level, like you and i probably are can see because we're not sitting in, you know,

watching tiktok or streaming television in, you know, macomb county, michigan. >> all my friends and loved ones, i have no idea. i'm not on the road. i'm not talking to voters. i'm not in environments where i see a lot of signs. i'm not getting in a cab, talking to my cab driver. they have a good feel of what might happen in the country. david, you are traveling the country. you're getting a much better sense of things than i am. weigh into this discussion. >> well, what's so funny about this is i am on the road, and i still can't get quite a good sense of it. i get conflicting reports and conflicting vibes from democrats and republicans who both feel good, but for different reasons, and you know, i kind of boil this down to in the closing days of voters knowing what they're going to get from donald trump and they're worried they're not going to like it, and voters not sure what they're going to get from kamala harris and worried they're not going to like it. and so, you know, what i found so fascinating about harris's

speech was when she said, i know some of you still may not know me that well, and then she tried to introduce herself yet again. this is the peril of launching a late campaign, which at first you get a burst of enthusiasm, and yet she's had to make all of the mistakes late, and all of the errors late, and do all of the good stuff late. the policies, the introductions. donald trump, everybody has decided they know who he is, and it's just a matter of if they want to go down that road again, and voters i talked to are very conflicted and in a race this tight, it's really hard to get a gut feel. >> julia, tell me about the turnout so far, the early voting turnout in pennsylvania. how is it looking for both parties? >> yeah, you know, i think as expected, the republican party here and in other states made a big push to try to encourage their party to use mail-in ballots, and we're seeing more

of those now. democrats still outnumbering republicans. we're also seeing fewer all around mail ballots than we did in 2020, which i think was also expected, because we're not in the pandemic right now. and we're seeing a lot of kind of adjustments being made to deal with a lot of people trying to get those ballots kind of at the last minute so there's definitely interest. less than 2020. >> you have been reporting on the bro culture. i'm going to give this to dave first. you heard nikki haley warning against too much bro culture coming from donald trump saying that it's going to turn off voters, calling kamala harris nasty names, using pimps to describe her handlers, all of this stuff is just ugly and

unnecessary. nikki haley is usually somebody who, i mean, she was very against donald trump until she wasn't after he won. she was very against donald trump in the primary, and then she stopped being against him after it became clear to stay within the republican party after she dropped out she might need to have a better relationship with him. i'm not trying to say she's transactional, does she go where the wind blows? could she be seeing something? >> imagine, i think part of the story would be, this is a campaign unlike 2016, unlike 2020, which was more cloistered in conservative media and bro, that's a good word, bro podcast media. trump has spent hours and hours talking to very friendly interviewers who say the sorts of things that maybe you wouldn't say if you were talking to a bunch of women in bucks county, pennsylvania. you heard that at madison square garden at the rally.

things in the sphere are not offensive because the premise is comedy should be legal, saying whatever you want. but they might be offensive to people who are not online or don't like the idea of this sort of mindset taking over the country for four years. that is a risk, and you have seen some denial in the last couple of days. canvassers hear they don't want their husbands to know they're voting for harris. that can't be happening. i've seen it. i've heard this from focus groups. if there is a harris win that surprises people, part of that would be the shy vote that she's done a very diligent job courting, and trump did not do as much of a job courting, despite the faint in that direction. >> david, you on that? >> yeah, i think that's what's so interesting about this campaign, and why it's hard to gauge is because harris and trump are running two different campaigns. the bromance as nikki haley put it is the point for donald trump. he is courting young men, both

white and non-white, and that's his whole plan to bring out low propensity voters, and people who don't vote that often to the polls and enlarge his base. what is kamala harris doing? she is going after your traditional group of voters that are reliable. women who vote in larger numbers than men, and look, i'm here in suburban phoenix at an early voting site, and there has been in this state and others a robust harris effort to court disaffected republicans. in other words, she has been moving to the center at least stylistically. this is what normally happens in a general election campaign, but harris is doing her thing, and trump is doing his thing, and so we can't say that, well, harris is doing better at the same thing as trump or vice versa, they are doing two different things, which means somebody's theory of the case is going to turn out to be correction. we don't know who that is. >> trump said they're good at the low propensity voters, the

bro voter, not necessarily the highest turnout voter. >> in 2020, trump and his campaign found an extra 7 million people who didn't vote in 2020, and i didn't think that that was possible. so who knows, really. and in a game of inches like this, this is why you're seeing so many different messages. it's not that these campaigns are disorganized or don't know what message to settle on. it's that close that you have to reach all sort of people because any demographic could really make the difference. >> the lesson here is nobody knows what's going to happen in a week. we're all going to have to tune in to find out together. julia, david, dave and jeremy, thank you so much for starting us off. still ahead, the white house is arguing over an apostrophe, truly an apostrophe as the trump campaign tries to claim victim. we're going to explain. the garbage joke that could change potentially the outcome of the election, what puerto rican voters in pennsylvania, that all important state, are

still saying about it. plus, donald trump is claiming fraud in that state. pennsylvania already. what he's talking about, and what official there are actually investigating. we're back in 90 seconds. needs to be for more than just work. like when it needs to be a big, soft shoulder to cry on. which is why downy does more to make clothes softer, fresher, and better. downy. breathe life into your laundry.

the white house is arguing about an apostrophe today, claiming president biden was talking about one supporter in particular when he said this in a zoom call with voto latino

last night. >> just the other day, a speaker at his rally called puerto rico a floating island of garbage. let me tell you something, i don't know the puerto rican that i know or puerto rico in my home state of delaware, they're good, decent, honorable people. the only garbage i see out there is his supporters, his demonization of things that are unconscionable, and it's un-american, totally contrary to everything we've done, everything we've been. >> supporters with an s, in the white house transcript there's an apostrophe between the r and the s, but in the ears of the trump campaign and gop allies, it was an s plural, something more akin to hillary clinton's inflames deplorables comment. joining us now, nbc news correspondent garrett haake in green bay, wisconsin, covering the trump campaign, and nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell in harrisburg, pennsylvania, with the harris

campaign. kelly, first to you. tell us about this apostrophe. >> reporter: well, i've had one my whole life, and it has never been more powerful than in a moment like this where what they are trying to say is that the president was referring to the demonization being garbage from one prominent supporter, the comedian who appeared at the madison square garden event for donald trump. if you look at about a minute's worth of the remarks from president biden when he was speaking to latino groups last night, that context appears more clear. also, it's important to know that the president always has that battle against stuttering and that seemed to be apparent in this as well, and clearly, this is a verbal gaffe that is problematic politically. the question for voters to decide is the president's intent here to somehow say something critical about supporters of president trump or was it about

the supporters that we know exist, this comedian and others, who were demonizing puerto ricans. we're left in a position, as anyone who looks at this, to make their own assessment. one other context clue is the president came out quickly and used a social media post to say what he was intending to say and that any other inference is not what he intended, that he was trying to be critical of the demonization of puerto ricans and not some sort of a broadside against trump supporters. it all matters because it plays into a concern that certainly supporters of president trump and the maga movement believe is liberals thinking poorly of them broadly. that's why it matters politically. not to mention the distraction it caused for kamala harris who today came out quickly to address the issue for the news cycle, not for the kinds of supporters that i have behind me in harrisburg.

she was in raleigh earlier today. it didn't come up there, but it did when she talked to reporters, and here's how the vice president addressed the issue. >> let me be clear, i strongly disagree with any criticism of people based on who they vote for. the president of the united states, i will be a president for all americans, whether you vote for me or not. that is my responsibility, and that's the kind of work that i have done my entire career, and i take it very seriously. >> reporter: so a big part of the message today from the harris campaign is that she is the candidate, not president biden, and that he did, in fact, trying to make it clear that he was inartful is a kind way to say it about how he had this verbal misstep that people are interpreting in a variety of ways. it's a political issue. the question for voters is how much of a political issue. >> it's one of those things that is not getting quite the same attention that the island of garbage comment got, the way

that it was clipped and seeing millions upon millions, tens of millions of times, probably a lot more than that, and the strong reaction from those very very prominent puerto ricans to that joke. garrett, what is the campaign trying to do with this, and what's the context? >> reporter: they're going to blow through all the nuance that our chief punctuation correspondent kelly o'donnell described and hang this around kamala harris's neck for the last week of the campaign. they want to block out the sun with the comments. as kelly correctly described, they think it confirms the belief among supporters that the left and the leadership on the left looks down on them. here's how donald trump began his event earlier today in north carolina. listen. >> joe biden finally said what he and kamala really think of our supporters. he called them garbage. and they mean it.

even though without question, my supporters are far higher quality than crooked joe or lying kamala. my response to joe and kamala is very simple, you can't lead america if you don't love americans. you just can't. and you can't be president if you hate the american people. and there's a lot of hatred there. joe biden's comments were the direct result of kamala's and tim walz, you know. you know who that is? his decision to portray everyone who isn't voting for them as evil or subhuman. you're not subhuman. i'm looking at you. you are not subhuman. >> reporter: i expect to hear much more of that in green bay

when the former president arrives here. i don't think this is the kind of thing that's going to sway high information voters. they might have already made up their minds. the trump campaign is going to push to his supporters as a way to keep and get people motivated to continue to knock on doors and do work that's necessary in the last six days of the campaign. >> garrett haake and kelly o'donnell, thank you very much, and coming up, without evidence, donald trump is sowing seeds of doubt on the election outcome in pennsylvania. what's he trying to do there? first, though, the radio host of a spanish language station and majority latino allentown on the fallout from trump's madison square garden rally. what his listeners are calling in to tell him they think about the island of garbage comment, and how it affects their vote. h. ♪ febreze man: i don't about y'all, but when it comes to working from home, i gotta have every part of my house clean. that means tidying up, then spraying my febreze air mist, to leave every room smelling fresh and clean.

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voters that have told us at nbc news that they want donald trump to apologize in a heartfelt way and disavow the island of garbage joke a comedian made at his rally on sunday. but when given the opportunity to do that, in front of a crowd in allentown, pennsylvania, yesterday, donald trump, instead, said this. >> we love it. i know it very well, and we helped you through a lot of bad storms. i'll tell you, we had some really bad ones. you remember, you were there when i brought the hospital ship against everyone's advice. we got it in there and took care of a lot of people. i think no president has done more for puerto rico than i have. >> allentown is home to a large and diverse latino population, including many puerto ricans. in the state of pennsylvania alone, the 2023 census recorded more than 472,000 people of puerto rican descent. owner of the la mega, victor

martinez, who lives in and broadcasts from allentown, pennsylvania. thank you very much for joining us. i heard you had a lot of call-ins yesterday from listeners who were really upset about the comments from madison square garden. get anymore today, and if so, what are they telling you? >> we have. i mean, we have five radio stations in pennsylvania, not just allentown, and our morning show is broadcast through all five. so we have about 250,000 latinos who listens to us every morning. and just to give you a sense of how upset and mad puerto ricans are, you remember niki jam, i'm going to give you a little bit of breaking news. puerto rican artist who came to pennsylvania and endorsed donald trump, even though donald trump confused him with a young lady because he wasn't sure that he was a male artist. he just posted a video withdrawing his support and his endorsement from donald trump because of the pressure he has

received from his own fans on social media. >> you know, we have had video, we're playing it right now alongside you. let's play a little bit. it's in spanish, so let me read it in english for everybody who doesn't speak spanish fluently. the reason i supported donald trump is because i believed it was best for the economy in the united states where a lot of latinos live, a lot of immigrants. with trump being a businessman, i felt it was the right move. he said never in his life he thought a month later a comedian would appear to criticize and talk badly about my puerto rico, he said. that's why i'm renouncing my support from donald trump and stepping away from my political conversation. puerto rico deserves respect. i mean, you're hearing this not just from nicky jam. donald trump said nicky jam, do you know nicky jam, she's so hot. he misgendered nicky jam, and

when she showed up on stage and wasn't a hot woman or a woman period. what about just regular folks. i just wonder, i wonder how important -- how significant the switch or the sway this might be for november 5th? >> well, i'll give you an example, yesterday we took a call from a listener, and he's a republican. he already voted and he was calling us upset because he already voted for trump by mail, and i asked him, i said, okay, you already voted for trump, and now what. he said, that in order to compensate for his vote, he's now calling his friends and family to try to convince them and make sure that they vote for kamala harris. so that's just an example of someone. a puerto rican who's hurt, who's upset, and now, even though he already voted for trump is trying to now do whatever he can to take back his vote by getting other people to vote for kamala

harris. and we have received a ton of calls from audience members, puerto ricans that are just upset and they are getting madder by the day because now they're upset that three days that has gone by and trump hasn't distanced himself, hasn't apologized, hasn't even acknowledged that the event happened. >> trump has said a lot of insulting stuff over the years about a lot of people, a lot of different groups. he had that, you know, when he was president, he didn't want to send aid to puerto rico, there was that very vivid experience of what happened to that island after hurricane maria, and how much help the island needed and how long it took to get help. why is this comment, this joke from a comedian residence -- resonating so much. why does this feel like a difference maker. >> listen, because of what was said, he called us trash.

he said puerto rico was garbage. if there's two things you don't mess with a puerto rican, it's the island and the flag. i mean, that's where we draw the line. and, yes, we were very upset at donald trump when maria happened, and the fact that he threw paper towels at us and the fact that he called us poor and dirty. you know what, time heals all wounds, right? let it go. we forgot, even though we didn't forgive, and we kind of put it aside. guess what, what happened on sunday brought all of those feelings right back. it reminded us, oh, that's right. that's the guy who didn't send money, who withheld funds, that's the guy who called us dirty and poor, and it's like a wound, it was healing. it was getting better, and now that wound has been opened, and it's bleeding again. so now you have the reminder of what happened with maria, with what's happening now, and, listen, we have 300,000 puerto

rican voters in the state of pennsylvania. so if one, two percent of those 300,000 puerto rican voters decide to switch or now come out and vote, that could mean that trump could lose pennsylvania. >> yeah, it could change. emphasis on could change the outcome of the election. don't forget the reporting from susan glasser and peter baker, he wanted to trade puerto rico for greenland. thank you very much for joining us. i appreciate your time. >> thank you any time. coming up, what speaker mike johnson said in a newly obtained video about what donald trump would do to obamacare if he wins the election. and what is behind donald trump's latest claims of voter fraud? fraud? with kardiamobile, the personal ekg device, you can check it from home using your smartphone. i use kardiamobile every day. sometimes twice a day. every morning i check, make sure i'm in good shape. and it makes me feel pretty good about my heart condition.

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you have to ask yourself, you have to wonder, what internal numbers donald trump might be seeing. now, a week out before the election, former president trump is claiming fraud in pennsylvania already. here he was in allentown last night. >> because they've already started cheating in lancaster, they cheated. we caught them with 2,600 votes. now we caught them cold, 2,600 votes. think of this, think of this. and every vote was written by the same person. i wonder how that happened.

must be a coincidence. it must be a coincidence. . >> here's the real problem with this. there's a grain of i don't want to say truth but there's something that he is talking about. the former president seems to be referring to pennsylvania officials who said they're investigating as many as 2,500 fraudulent voter registration applications in lancaster county that election workers flagged during routine reviews of the forms. keyword, forms, not ballots. joining us now brandy, what you can do is push your own false narrative about it. have officials told us anything more about this investigation? >> nope, they are looking into it, and a similar thing was happening in york county. we are also looking into some ballots, and that's where they stopped. as you know, disinformation loves a vacuum, and in to swoop and fill the vacuum with lots of

falsehoods, we caught it. who's we? it's not the trump campaign. it's not republican officials. it was the election workers, right, reviewing the things as they should. the process, the boring process of democracy working as it should, but he's able to take that and spin it into this narrative. >> can you give us insight into the formal process or normal routine process that the election workers are going through to make sure that these ballots go out to the right people? >> there's tons of processes, right? for example, there's another issue in pennsylvania which he also has sort of suggested is fraudulent or part of the cheating aspect that claimed that people that had shown up in line yesterday to request mail-in ballots in pennsylvania and bucs county, they were told to leave before 5:00, the cutoff time, but that cutoff time wasn't actually the cutoff. it's not like it was voting day. and there is no pre-voting in pennsylvania, so basically they said go away, we're not obligated to take that long. then it became this huge thing,

and they said we're filing a huge lawsuit. it's not a huge lawsuit. it's these particularities of voting are boring and specific, and by the time what we have gone through them and said, oh, here's what's happening in lancaster county, he's on to the next thing. >> republicans for decades said they want voter i.d. to make sure polling is safe and honest and only the people who should be voting are voting. democrats and voting rights activists have argued that, hey, listen, you can do that but what you're going to do is disenfranchise a whole number of people who aren't able to go to the dmv or get an i.d. it's going to make it difficult to exercise what is a constitutional right. >> right. there have been sort of meta studies that show somewhere between one in every ten voters will be disenfranchised because of that, and it's no big surprise, it's usually younger voters, voters of color, and maybe voters who aren't as rich as -- >> don't have the same means. >> yes.

>> brandy, thank you very much for joining us. joining us, election analyst, nate purcily, thank you so much for joining us. this is what donald trump is saying as of last night. i would expect him to say more things like this as we get closer to election day, and potentially on election day as well, if it looks like he's losing. >> let me echo something that brandy said. the system is working. this is exactly what should happen. if there are problems with applications they will be rejected, that's not just happening in these counties in pennsylvania, it's happening in many places around the country, and this is what the professional election officials do. and also just to reiterate, if there are errors on the voter list, that doesn't mean that there's ballot fraud. if there are imaginary people on the list, it's not as if they're going to show up in the polling places. there's a big difference between errors on say the voter registration rolls and whether

there's ballots that are cast that are going to have an effect on the election. what we're seeing in this preelection period is a lot of dust being kicked up to preserve the possibility for contesting the election after the fact. >> for anybody wondering, say you're filling out an application and the aelgs allegation is one person filled out the allegation, could you in theory fill out an application and get a ballot sent to one person at one address or maybe a handful of addresses the person might have claimed on these forms? >> well, there are all kinds of checks that are in place at the election offices in order to prevent that from happening. what ends up happening is you can't have, say, the voter getting two ballots, and so -- and you can have voter registration forms that are filled out, one for each voter and that person will get a

ballot and have to vote it. there's all kinds of checks that the election officials are putting in place to make sure it's actually the person who has submitted the application who's the one who's going to get the ballot. most significantly, they look at the signature, they look at other kinds of validating data, to make sure it's the person who submitted the application. >> virginia, can we go to that state, there's in-person registration, you can walk in on election day and register to vote and then vote. the supreme court is allowing virginia the states, and the governor to purge a number of voters from the rolls who might, might, might be non-citizens. how is that going to affect things? >> this was a quite surprising decision today from the supreme court because as a general rule, we don't allow states within 90 days of the election to purge voter lists, to sort of do a systemic taking off of people's names on the rolls. what ends up happening is that when people get driver's

licenses, there's a question that asks where you're a citizen or not. some people don't check that box, so what happened in virginia is that they were going to take some of those folks off the rolls. it's not going to prevent these folks from voting. as you said, they can register on the same day and vote in the polling place, but it shows that the supreme court is willing to get involved in the week right before the election. >> can i ask a question, i voted the other day, the signature i did on the key bad didn't match the signature they had on file, so i re-did it. how much is a problem of matching signatures, and how do you figure out what signature you have on file before you go to vote and to make sure they're lined up? >> that's a great question. and people need to understand that when they go to the dmv to get their driver's license, that signature is not just important for driving, it's important for voting because usually that's the signature that is matched against the signatures that you do for whether it's absentee ballots or in the polling place.

most states, what they do is they have a history of your signature. it's not just that one signature at the time at the dmv, it's also anytime you have signed in previously when you voted or requested an absentee ballot. >> the signatures are going to change, too. those are signatures you generally do with a pen, and these are signatures you're putting on a key pad. it's a different stroke with your pen or your finger. nate persily, thank you so much. appreciate it. and still ahead, what speaker mike johnson told conservative reporters behind closed doors about the gop agenda if they win both control of congress and the white house. upset stomach iberogast indigestion iberogast bloating iberogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the power of nature. iberogast.

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about tremfya®. ♪♪ the affordable care act appears to be back on the ballot. mike johnson told a crowd in a closed-door pennsylvania campaign event that the gop under donald trump will try to change it. here is the video obtained by sahil kapur. >> health care reform is part of the agenda. we have a lot of things on the table. we want to take a blowtorch to the regulatory state. these agencies have been weaponized against the people. it's crushing the free market. it's a boot on the neck of job creators. health care is one of the sectors. he would need this across the board. trump is going big. he will have one more term. he will be thinking about legacy.

we will fix things. >> no obamacare? >> no obamacare. the aca is so deeply engrained. we need massive reform. >> joining us now, jake sherman. translate that for us. >> it's interesting. i have been -- i travelled with johnson over this recess, i traveled with steve scalise and the other congressional leaders. the interesting observation that they have is that they wasted a huge amount of time in 2017 and didn't get anything done in the first 100 days because they tried to repeal obamacare and have vowed to not make that mistake again. repealing obamacare is not something that's going to work. i think from my experience, my conversations with mike johnson and steve scalise, they are aware of that. can you nibble around the edges and make tweaks to it and do

various things in their view to enhance it or to roll it back, probably? yes, they can try to do that. if mike johnson is now vowing to repeal obamacare, that is a maze he is never going to get out of. he will waste -- if donald trump were to win, he will waste his first 100 days if he is the speaker of the house. >> what is the secret that donald trump was alluding to with mike johnson? >> i think it was that i was going to fish in albany last weekend. no, i think -- here is what my read of the situation is. i talked to a bunch of people around mike johnson. they seem to say it's a lot less than meets the eye. one close advisor to mike johnson said that donald trump and him have worked to boost certain candidates in primaries and in the general that have helped them -- put them in a good position to take the house of representatives. i will say this, this has raised very serious alarm bells in the

democratic leadership in the house that if donald trump loses the election and contests the election, that it means republicans will also, if they lose the house, will contest their election. i don't know -- or the elections around the country. only time will tell how the clock ticks on that. i think that is something that is really gripping the house democratic leadership. it's in part reason why they have not scheduled their leadership elections yet in the house democratic caucus. this is having reverberations across the capitol. >> jake sherman, i hope you enjoyed fish in albany on october 26, my birthday. >> happy birthday. >> you did not say happy birthday. i'm checking my texts. i did not get one. >> yes, you did. >> i just double-checked. >> i will take a screen shot and send it to you. >> i will take a screen shot, too. we will leave it there and bring this conversation offline. jake sherman. i didn't get a text. thank you very much.

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