♪♪ hi, everyone. 4:00 in new york. we are keeping a close eye on a fired up crowd in harrisburg, pennsylvania, where vice president kamala harris will rally later in the hour. the vice president is barnstorming her way across three battleground states today, fresh off her electric speech last night in front of a massive crowd at the ellipse in washington, d.c. the speech we're willing to bet donald trump has very much on his mind and under his skin, because if there's one thing we can agree on, it's that to donald trump, it is always about size, the size of the crowd. last night was the massive, sprawling, energized crowd that showed up to vice president

kamala harris' speech. more than 75,000 people, all of them gathered in a spot that the disgraced twice impeached four types indicted ex-president knows very, very well. it's the same spot where donald trump rallied an angry mob to storm the u.s. capitol and try to steal an election he knew at that moment he had lost. it's a stain on america's history that kamala harris seized upon in her searing closing argument last night. >> look, we know who donald trump is. he is the person who stood at this very spot nearly four years ago and sent an armed mob to the united states capitol to overturn the will of the people in a free and fair election. an election that he knew he

lost. donald trump intends to use the united states military against american citizens who simply disagree with him. people he calls, quote, the enemy from within. and the fact that someone disagrees with us does not make them the enemy within. they are family, neighbors, classmates, co-workers. they are fellow americans. and as americans, we rise and fall together. i will work with everyone, democrats, republicans, and independents, unlike donald trump. i don't believe people who disagree with me are the enemy. he wants to put them in jail. i will give them a seat at the table.

nearly 250 years ago, america was born when we rested freedom from a petty tyrant. those who came before us, the patriots at normandy and selma, seneca falls and stonewall, on farmlands and factory floors, they did not struggle, sacrifice and lay down their lives only to see us cede our fundamental freedoms. they didn't do that only to see us submit to the will of another petty tyrant. >> another petty tyrant. meanwhile, donald trump is making his closing argument,

returning to the safe spaces of fox news where sean hannity teed up every opportunity for donald trump to repair his campaign, to do damage control, after he platformed racist comments by a comedian at his rally sunday night. >> i have no idea who he is. somebody said there was a comedian that joked about puerto rico or something. i have no idea who it was. never saw him. never heard of him. don't want to hear of him. i have no idea. they put a comedian in, which everybody does. you don't vet them and go crazy. it's nobody's fault. somebody said some bad things. what they have done is taken somebody that has nothing to do with the party, nothing do with us, said something and they try to make a big deal. i don't know who it is. i don't know who put him in. i can't imagine it's a big deal. i've done more for puerto rico

than any president that's been president. >> i have done more for puerto rico than anyone who has ever been president, including throwing paper towels for each and every one of the people at my event. we're not sure what that is at this point, break from reality, garden variety gaslighting for his base. the kind of nonsense makes it difficult for his most ardent and determined enablers to bail him out. just ask nikki haley. >> why have a comedian that separates people? this isn't about people being sensitive. puerto ricans, that's personal for them. they take that personally. they were right to denounce the comedian. they need to go and tell puerto rican s how much they do value them. they need to tell latinos that. they need to look at how they are talking about women. this bromance and masculinity stuff, it borders on edgy to the point it's going to make women

uncomfortable. you have affiliated pacs doing commercials about calling kamala the c word. speakers at madison square garden referring to her and her primps. that's not the way to win women. >> it is not. usually, those comments come out wednesday, after your side loses. that's not the way to win women or puerto ricans or latinos or anyone craving decency in our leaders. it's where we start today with some of our favorite experts and friends. publisher of the bulwark, sara longwell is with us. also, msnbc senior political analyst matt dowd is here. what will resonate of this closing message? >> it's really a question right now of contrasts in closing messages. at this point, what you need is you need those undecided voters,

those late-breaking independents that are decisive at the end of these close races to break for kamala harris. i think that the contrast in their closing messages could not be clearer. one of the things that i loved about that speech last night is she's always been good at explaining why donald trump is dangerous. but she's not always as strong at saying, here is why i'm the right person to be the alternative. sometimes she's strong on that. she was strong at the dnc speech on that. it's not always in there with the kind of strength she delivered it with last night. we saw in these two closing performances exactly who these people are. american voters, they can't go into this election saying that they didn't know exactly what they were getting. donald trump has told them. it's funny watching them distance themselves from this comedian as though that comedian weren't a direct reflection on

all of the other things we heard on that stage, on all the ways that donald trump talks about america and its people. that comedian -- there's no daylight between him and the way that donald trump, his campaign and his surrogates talk all the time. the only reason that they are freaked out about did is because they realize they have gone after a particular constituency of which there are 450,000 in pennsylvania, which is a must-win state. and a bunch of latino and puerto rican influencers, people that frankly i didn't know who bad bunny was until tim miller made me learn about him, but he has an enormous following. they have huge followings. they are out there telling their audiences not to vote for donald trump, endorsing kamala harris. she gave a contrast message that says, here is who i'm going to be. i'm going to be a president for everyone. i'm going to listen to everyone. doesn't matter if you vote for me or not, i'm going to put behind us this chaos and this

division. that contrast couldn't be clearer. i have been thrilled at this last week of their closing messages. i think she's going right at the heart of swing voters and undecided voters and turning out her base. she was able to do it all in that speech. the contrast couldn't be clearer. >> i think the idea that i know any more than you do about bad bunny and the celebrities can be answered by the fact that i got fired from "the view" because i was so illiterate. but what i know in this fractured media environment, is they are massively important. they are deeply trusted. people see themselves in a lot of these figures. i want to show you someone who saw something in donald trump and has revoked his endorsement. this is donald trump introducing who he thought nicky jam was. >> latin music superstar nicky

jam. where is nicky? thank you. great to be having you here. you have to get -- look. i'm glad he came up. >> i mean, other than playing that every day to show people who he is, i'm not sure i have much to say. importantly, nicky jam who is important has retracted his endorsement of donald trump in "variety." it gets at how bad is it? it's so bad that people who thought trump was a good idea

are now making clear, not just privately but publicly, that they, quote, renounce donald trump. >> it's a lot like the people of color version of mark cuban. i don't want him near the white house. that's what's happening i think with a lot of the folk who -- he is funny. he says crazy stuff. isn't that interesting? he is a celebrity. now that they have gotten to know him and his pr -- we have to remind people why things have impact. even though we think about it four years ago, joe biden barely won. joe biden barely beat donald trump. joe biden won pennsylvania by 1

percentage point. joe biden won wisconsin by 20,000 votes. joe biden won nevada by a few thousand votes. joe biden won arizona by a few thousand votes. joe biden won georgia by a few thousand votes. a few thousand votes, either change by the fact that now they see donald trump for who he is, which is latinos, puerto ricans or anybody else that no longer thinks, yeah, he is a racist is who he is, those folks -- then the people that as sara was saying, people that hear bits and pieces of the vice president's talk yesterday, i don't think people are undecided at this point. i think what they are is unmotivated. if you think about -- at best, we will get 165,000, 170 million people to vote. there's 80 million potential americans that aren't going to

vote, that are registered that are there, that live in these states. her argument to me and all of the things she's saying that i think she's going to be consistent in the next week and mistakes donald trump makes is motivating somebody that doesn't like either political party, that is fed up, that thinks nothing is going to change, and they hear bits and pieces of information in the end, may motivate this large pool of voters that right now is not going to turn out. >> let me ask you about -- we don't have a model for that. a polling model is predicated on a guess about turnout. can you explain that? >> sure. this is my huge problem with the polls and everything done. the analysts take a poll and accept the poll and say, let's talk about the overall number or the number of -- how women are doing and all that. if the model is off, the model is off, none of those numbers matter. if you don't have the right percentage of people that are going to vote that are college

educated, that are white, that are people of color that are women, all of the numbers you need and partisanship in this, if you model it based on an election that happened before 2016, 2020, 2022, whatever the election you have, you may miss the movements of people today. almost every single model, every single model is premised on voting behavior. it's not premised on the large pool of americans that are potentially there, who aren't likely to vote but could vote if they are motivated properly. that's why i say, give a huge truckload of salt to these people that are giving odds and all of that, because their models, like it was wrong in 2022, it was wrong in 2016, their models are not premised on the current views of the american public as they exist today, whether they have voted before or not. >> sara, i think this gets to

the work you have done. this is the first post-partisan election in my lifetime, in our history. anything that anyone wants to -- i don't think you can have two parties that ignore data. i trust the data. i think we don't know what we don't know about who turns out on tuesday. in terms of what you are seeing in your groups, there's an entire umbrella under which people who have always voted as republicans, who are still registered as republicans, are turning away from the republican. tell me what you are seeing. >> yeah. look, we are undergoing a moment of profound political realignment. college-educated voters in the suburbs, people who voted for romney and mccain, a lot of them have been to some degree slowly but increasingly quickly politically realigning themselves out of the republican party. they find themselves -- they have now voted for democrats in enough political cycles that

they are starting to identify more -- they are still independent or maybe feel they are right or republican, but because of who republicans have been nominated, they are voting for democrats. that trade means that there are non-college while working class voters who are politically realigning and more into the republican party. that creates this massive moving target that is very difficult for pollsters to catch accurate numbers. normally, that realignment happens at a glacial pace. it has been accelerated by donald trump and the way the parties have just been shifting. then on top of that, you have to deal with the fact that donald trump brings out low propensity voters at a rate that we don't typically see. those low propensity voters come from both sides of the political system. he has rocket fuel under him for the people who are passionate about him. but he also puts rocket fuel

behind low propensity voters who hate him, who in other situations might not turn out to vote but will come out specifically to vote against him, which is how joe biden won in 2022. i'm sorry, in 2020. this is just a complicated time. that's why it's not that we should ignore the polling. i think directionally, there's a lot to learn. when i listen to the swing voter groups and when i listen to two-time trump voters who don't want to vote for him again, i could really use the focus groups to explain the election going either way because in the swing voting groups, most of them are sticking -- they voted for trump in '16, bide then '20 and most are sticking with harris. however, you often lose maybe one person in the group, sometimes two people, who for whatever reason are backsliding to trump. usually, it's over the economy. then you have got two-time trump voters who held their nose twice, hoping the party moves on. but suddenly find themselves saying, i will not do this again. i am out after january 6.

where that nets out and then you add on top of it what we don't know about turnout in a non-pandemic year. last time, we were in the middle of a pandemic. everybody was mailing in votes. it's too hard to gauge, which is why the only thing people should do is stop thinking about the race and focus on the stakes. focus on the stakes and get out and do everything you can. the stakes are very high. >> it's the first election in most voters' lifetimes in a post-roe america. anyone that thinks they know anything about how any woman will vote regardless of what lawn sign is in her front yard, doesn't know what they don't know. i have a million more things to do with both of you. i want to play your new ad. i want to tell you about arnold schwarzenegger's endorsement. barbara bush is campaigning for harris. so much more. i want to let our viewers know we are waiting for the vice president to take the stage in harrisburg, pennsylvania, before

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he constantly engaged in reckless conduct. >> he wants retribution. he will try to use the justice department. >> president trump asked me to put him over the constitution. anyone who puts themself over the constitution should never be president of the united states. >> he is a very petty individual who will always put his interests ahead of the country. >> shoot americans. >> a person's character is imperceptible. >> nearly half of trump's cabinet refused to endorse him because they know he is a danger to all of us.

republican accountability pac is responsible for the content of this advertising. >> that was a new ad. joining our conversation, senior advisor, a spokesperson for the harris-walz campaign, ian sams. it's nice to see you. tell me how you see the state of the race. >> there's a lot of good ians out there. i think you saw last night the vice president framing up the choice in this election very clearly. it's a choice between going forward as a country or going backward as a country. it's a choice between a president who is going to go into the white house with a to-do list of priorities for the american people and a president who would go in stewing over an enemy list of people who he perceived slighted him. it's a real choice. i think the vice president is out there talking about the issues that really matter to the american people. her plans to bring down costs,

lower prices for people, housing, health care, groceries. her plan to protect reproductive freedom, issues that are animating voters in the election, things they care about. she's talking about them. donald trump really isn't. he is too consumed with himself and his own anger. i think you are seeing his former aides -- you showed the ad showing the former aides, people who know him best, warning about what a return to office by donald trump would look like. i think that's starting to resonate with people. you see voters across the country, including republican voters, gravitating toward vice president harris and her vision for a new way forward. i think because a lot ofhausted chaos and ready to move on. >> how -- i want to play a little bit of her speech about -- she lays out this contrast between herself being willing to have at the table people she disagrees with while her opponent wants to throw them in jail. let me play that for you.

>> and look, i will be honest with you, i'm not perfect. i make mistakes. here is what i promise you. i will always listen to you, even if you don't vote for me. i will always tell you the truth, even if it is difficult to hear. i will work every day to build consensus and reach compromise to get things done. i am not looking to score political points. i am looking to make progress. i pledge to listen to experts, to those who will be impacted by the decisions i make, and to people who disagree with me. >> it's almost a shock to the system to hear that sort of humility and reaching across the aisle. i wonder how you are picking up on the campaign trail, how that

resonates with voters. >> i think it's why you are seeing so many republicans come out and endorse her campaign, whether it's liz cheney, obviously, who has been campaigning with her in the battleground states. we have had hundreds of national security officials, former officials from the bush and reagan administrations, who have come out and endorsed her candidacy, former senators, members of congress. i don't think we have seen a time where so many former or current republicans have come out to endorse a democratic candidate for president. i think it's because they see she's extending a hand. you have president trump spending the entire final month of his campaign over and over and over again demonizing democrats, demonizing his fellow americans as the enemy from within. that's not how we should talk about our neighbors. you heard the vice president say that last night. i think that people are attracted to her candidacy because she's showing she's going to be a consensus building press.

she's going to pursue the common ground that voters really want to see in their president. they don't want to see someone who is constantly attacking and dividing america. they want to see somebody trying to bring america together to solve problems that matter for them. that's been central to her messaging. i think as we see this sort of faux outrage from donald trump and their campaign, it's important to remember he spent almost this entire campaign demonizing half the country, demonizing democrats, demonizing people who don't support him and don't vote for him, threatening to use his own justice department against people who don't support him and don't vote for him. that's been the anchor and central focus of his campaign, whereas, the vice president is bringing people in and say, i want to govern and be a president for all americans. people want to see that in the president. that's the kind of country people will vote for when they elect her. >> she broke with president biden on his criticism of trump supporters. let me play that for you.

>> first of all, he clarified his comments. let me be clear. i strongly disagree with any criticism of people based on who they vote for. you heard my speech last night and continuously throughout my career. i believe that the work that i do is about representing all the people, whether they support me or not. as president of the united states, i will be a president for all americans, whether you vote for me or not. that is my responsibility. that's the kind of work that i have done my entire career. i take it very seriously. >> that has been her consistent message about anyone who thinks that trump is the right candidate for them, how important was that for her? >> look, i think you heard this from her throughout the campaign. she's committed to putting a republican in her cabinet. i think she's extending a hand to people who may have supported president trump in 2020 or in

2016 but who is tired of what they are seeing from him and who don't think that he has delivered for them. she's opening up a hand to say, this campaign is for you. she's always trying to kind of have that big tent party and make sure people know she would be a president for all of them. now as the spokesperson i am, i will stop talking and let the vice president talk. >> as if on cue. she's in harrisburg, pennsylvania. let's listen in. >> all right. all right. we got the band in the house. okay. we got some work to do.

all right. all right. okay. okay. okay. all right. okay. settle down. we got some work to do. we got some work to do. can we give it up for chris. thank you so very much. [ cheers and applause ] your leadership. mikaela, i don't know where you are. i'm saying hello to you, too. you are part of the reason i do what i do. thank you. all right, harrisburg. are we ready to do this? are we ready to vote? are we ready to win? yes, you are right. it is good to be back in pennsylvania. with so many incredible leaders.

including your extraordinary lieutenant governor davis. state representative kim. and mayor williams. and let's send bob casey back to the united states senate! all right. okay. this election is underway. i want to thank everyone for taking the time out of your busy lives to be here this afternoon for us to all be under one roof together sharing this moment of commitment to our country and each other. i thank you all for the time that you are taking for us to all be here together. all right. so now is the time to remind our

neighbors and our friends to make a plan to vote in person on election day. or to return your mail ballot. pennsylvania, if you still have a mail ballot, you can take it to a ballot drop box or an election office in your county by 8:00 p.m. on election day. let's spread the word and ask folks to go to iwillvote.com if they need more information. i'm visiting with you this afternoon because we need you to vote, pennsylvania. we need you to vote. because we have just six days left in one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime. we have work to do. we still have a lot of work to do. but we like hard work. hard work is good work.

hard work is joyful work. and make no mistake, we will win. we will win. we will win. and part of the reason -- and part of the reason we will win is because i believe whether you know what you stand for, you know what to fight for. and we know we have an opportunity in this election to turn the page on a decade of donald trump trying to keep us divided and afraid of each other. that is who he is. but pennsylvania, that is not who we are. and i know plenty of folks who are exhausted with it all and know it is time to stop pointing

fingers and to start locking arms. it is time. it is time for a new generation of leadership in america. and together with you, we will do this. and i am ready to offer that leadership as the next president of the united states of america. [ cheers and applause ] [ chanting kamala" ] let me just say, pennsylvania, you know my background. i am not afraid of tough fights. for decades, as a prosecutor and the top law enforcement officer

of our biggest state, i won fights against the big banks that were ripping off homeowners. against for-profit colleges that scammed veterans and students. against predators who abused women and children, and cartels that trafficked in guns, drugs and human beings. and if you give me the chance to fight on your behalf as president, there is nothing that will stand in my way of working for you. [ cheers and applause ] and look, we know who donald trump is. right? this is someone who is not thinking about how to make your life better. this is someone who is unstable, obsessed with revenge, consumed

with grievance and out for unchecked power. and look, in less than 90 days, either or i will be in the oval office. because here is the thing we know. if he is elected on day one, donald trump would walk into that office with an enemies list. when i am elected, i will walk in with a to-do list. and at the top of my list is bringing down your cost of living. that will be my focus every single day as president.

i will give a middle class tax cut to 100 million americans. enact the first ever federal ban on price gouging on groceries. and fight to make sure that hardworking americans can actually afford a place to live. if you are caring for an elderly parent, my plan will cover the cost of home care under medicare. so seniors can get the help they need and the care they need to stay in their own homes. it's about dignity. it's about dignity. which is why my plan will also lower the cost of childcare.

cut taxes for small businesses and lower health care costs, because i believe health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it. on the other hand, donald trump's answer to financial pressures is for you to face the same deal -- here is the thing. let me say something. let me say something.

we are six days out of an election. we are six days away from an election. ours is about a fight for democracy and your right to be heard. that is what is on the line in this election. that is what is on the line in this election. look, everybody has a right to be heard. but right now, i am speaking. one of the biggest issues that folks around the country want to talk about and hear is about how we are going to bring down the price of living for working

people. and people know that donald trump's answer to the financial pressures that you face is the same as the last time, another trillion dollar tax cut for billionaires and big corporations. and this time, he will pay for it with a 20% national sales tax on everything you buy that is imported. clothes, food, toys, cellphones. and a trump sales tax would cost the average family nearly $4,000 more a year. these are some of the issues that are on the line in the next six days, and that's why we are here saying, we will not stand for it. we stand for working people. we stand for middle class growth and strength.

we are here together because we know what is on the line. we know that donald trump will try like he has so many times to get rid of the affordable care act. which would throw millions of americans off of their health care and take us back to when insurance companies could deny people with pre-existing conditions. do you remember what that was? well, we are not going back. we are not going back. [ crowd chanting not going back ] >> we're not going back. we are not going back because ours is a fight for the future and it is a fight for freedom

like the fundamental freedom of a woman to be able to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. we remember how we got here. donald trump, when he was president, hand selected three members of the united states supreme court. with the intention that they would do just as they did and overturn the protections of roe v. wade. now in america, one in three women in america lives in a state with a trump abortion ban. many with no exceptions for rape and incest, which is immoral. donald trump is not done. he would ban abortion nationwide. yes, even here in pennsylvania if he was successful. he would restrict access to birth control, put ivf treatments at risk and force

states to monitor women's pregnancies. just google project 2025. read the plans for yourself. let us agree, one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree the government shouldn't be telling people what to do. not the government. not the government. if she chooses, she will talk with her priest, her pastor, her rabbi, her iman, but not the government or donald trump telling people what to do. i pledge to you, when congress passes a bill to restore reproductive freedom, as president of the united states, i will proudly sign it into law. proudly sign it into law.

[ cheers and applause ] so, pennsylvania, i am asking for your vote. and here is my pledge to you. here is my pledge to you. as your president, i pledge to seek common ground and common sense solutions to the challenges you face. thank you. let me say, look, i will repeat it, we are fighting for a

democracy. we love our democracy. it could be complicated at times, but it's the best system in the world. it's okay. it's okay. it's okay. it's okay. all right. so look, i will continue with my point. i pledge to you that as president of the united states, i will not be looking to score political points. i will be looking to make progress. and i pledge to listen to experts, to those who will be impacted by the decisions i make, and to the people who disagree with me.

and at this particular moment, it should be emphasized that unlike donald trump, i don't believe people who disagree with me are the enemy from within. [ cheers and applause ] he wants to put them in jail. i will give them a seat at the table. and i pledge to be a president for all americans and to always put country above party and self.

so, pennsylvania, look it all comes down to this. we are all here together and you have taken so much time out of your life to be here because we love our country. we love our country. and when you love something, you fight for it. and i do believe it is one of the highest forms of patriotism and expression of our love of our country to then fight for its ideals, to fight for the ideals of our country and to fight for the promise of america. that's what this is about. i have always believed in our nation's promise, because i have

lived it. i grew up a child of the civil rights movement. my parents would take me to marches when i was in a stroller, where people from all walks of life, all kinds of backgrounds, came together to fight for the ideals of our country, the ideals of freedom and opportunity. i have lived the promise of america. i saw how hard my mother worked to give her daughters the same chances our country gave her. growing up -- growing , growing blessed to have family by blood and family by love. who instilled in me, like all of us, who instilled in me the

values that have always defined our nation at its best, like the value of community. of compassion and faith. i have lived the promise of america. i have spent my life fighting for people who have been hurt and counted out, but who never stopped believing that in our country anything is possible. i've lived the promise of america, and i see the promise of america in this beautiful assembly of people, of you who understand what is at stake, and also what we have yet to do. that's what this is about. this is about our joy and our optimism, about what has yet to be done that we can do together

as one community of people who love their country. and i see them, the promise of america in, for example, the women who refuse to accept a future without reproductive freedom. i see it. i see it in the men who support them. i see it in republicans who never voted for a democrat before, but put the constitution of the united states before party. i see the promise of america in all of the young leaders who i know are here right now voting for the first time. let me see your hands. right?

and i love this generation of leaders because, listen, you are rightly impatient for change. you, who are determined to live free from gun violence, to tackle the climate crisis and shape the world you inherit. for these young leaders, let me tell you, none of this is theoretical for them. it's not political for them. for the young leaders, this is their lived experience, and i see you and i see your power and i am so proud of you. let's hear if for our first-time voters! [ cheers and applause ] i see you.

so, pennsylvania, we have six days to get this done. no one could sit on the sidelines. let's spend the next six days when we look back we know we have done everything we could. it's time to knock on doors, time to text and call voters, time to reach out to family and friends and neighbors and classmates and co-workers, and please, in these next six days, let us be intentional about building community. in these next six days, let us please be intentional about building coalition. and let us remember we all have so much more in common than what separates us.

so, remember, your vote is your voice, and your voice is your power. and i will end by asking you, pennsylvania, are you ready to make your voices heard? do we believe in freedom? do we believe in opportunity? do we believe in the promise of america? and are we ready to fight for it? and when we fight, we win! god bless you, and god bless the united states of america. god bless you. >> vice president kamala harris' closing message. what do you think? >> i mean, i think i thought last night was pitch perfect.

i think she will say it over and over, exceedingly important, you know, it's basically an appeal to everybody that hates politics and thinks it's too partisan to basically say awant to get past all that and move on and get the job done for you. bravo to her. i think it's perfect. the question becomes, who can be moved in the final six days? and -- >> what's the answer to that question? you know. what's the answer? >> well, i think i know. i mean, i think there is two or three percent that still is sitting there in especially in these seven states that can easily be adjusted for election day. so i think she is on message. i think he is off message. i would rather be her than him at this point in time. i would look at the data. i want to say before we go, one thing people have to realize is that when you look at a close election and analyze it, you are going to get lets to of pieces of data.

some will be bad. some will be neutral. some will be good. what you are looking for is a majority of the data points to be good. and yesterday a majority of the data points have been good for her. some were bad, a few, some neutral, but the majority were good. today the majority of data points are good for her. that's all you can count on, is all the data points, look for a majority and the majority are good. what she is doing i think is effective. >> vote, vote, it hasn't happened yet. it's next tuesday. >> 100 million people still have to vote. >> exactly. matthew, thank you so much for spending the hour with us. we want to thank ian and sarah who had to go. next, donald trump is selling to the american people prices that are higher and an economy that is worse. always a projection and lie. we'll explain next. of us have left blood thinners behind... ...for life.

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>> hi again. it's 5:00 in new york. we watched that together. that's vice president kamala harris a few moments ago. for voters who say the economy is the most important how for them in the election, there is a trove of new information, new data points out today that just might bolster kamala harris' message and sound a whole lot of alarm bells about donald trump's. brand-new reporting in "the washington post" reveals how companies are preparing should trump win for trump's sweeping publicly announced, bragged about and planned tariff plan. and it ain't pretty. timothy boyle of columbia sports world told the post, we are set to raise prices. we are buying stuff for delivery next fall, so we are just going to deal with it and raise the prices. it is going to be very, very difficult to keep products affordable for americans. he is talking to you fleece vest

wearers. the ceo of auto zone said on a recent earnings call, quote, if we get tariffs, we will pass those tariff costs back to the consumer. and the co-founder of a small business which makes baby and toddler products of which i buy many these days says, oftives, quote, it hurts the consumer straight up. ten times out of ten, exporting countries do not pay the tariffs. it's that simple. all the while elon musk, the man who trump wants to lead a, quote, government efficiency commission who has multiple companies with massive contracts and deals with the u.s. government just recently said that in order to cut back on government spending, there will be some temporary hardships. this is what donald trump is selling to the american people. stuff gets more expensive, and publicly stated hardships are warned. meanwhile, an economic report

released today shows gdp rose at a 2.8% rate in the most recent quarter. "new york times" puts it like this, quote, consumers are spending, inflation is cooling and the u.s. economy looks strong as ever. that's where we start with two of our experts and friends, people who know more on my pinky finger than i do, "squawk box" and "new york times" columnist, andrew, and my wing woman, anchor of the 11th hour on msnbc, steph ruhle. so i know the political landscape and how things get distorted. i was a republican, used to campaign on a message for economy. but the data is now so enduringly obvious that it is not true. so what is this about? >> well, i think it's been about politics for the last several years, and if a group of people are told and misinformed over and over again that the economy

is terrible t they think that the economy is terrible. we live in a world of gray. this is black and white. historically, under empirical measure, this economy is flying. it's hot. you have wages up this morning 4.6% year over year. i mean, that's -- there is no number in these reports whether it be -- it's about economic growth, whether it's about jobs, whether it's about wage growth, they say what will the economy be like if the next four years were anything like the last four years? what would it be like? quite extraordinary. think about the trend line of what's happening. if it continues this way, i think people would think we are living in alice and wonderland. >> andrew is right. the reason we are susceptible to this idea with people feeling it's bad because life is expensive. while wages have gone up, when i get a raise, i think that's because i am great.

but when everything costs more money i blame the government. people don't ekt can the two. people have more money, more purchasing power, when things cost more they are angry and that anger, those are the things you talk about. you talk about it when you go to a restaurant and it costs more and the drinks cost more and the groceries. that feeds into it. we know it's expensive to buy a house, rent an apartment for kamala harris what she is to go and it's important to articulate, inflation is problem. what donald trump is offering the american people is only going to worsen inflation, worsen the deficit and when you are the president you don't have a magic wand to fix things. you mentioned it just a moment ago. we have a housing shortage. no president can wave a magic wand and solve that. she is tying to address it. k, we have a house be shortage, and b, at a federal level it's difficult to put affordable housing in the country. go to cities and towns and what you do you hear? people don't want affordable houses built in their town. it's a dominated problem that

the current administration is tagged with but what they are leaning into now is it's not just the data. we are doing well as a country. we just are. >> and i guess what i want to understand is trump used to do his things that would hurt him politically in private and we would learn about them through investigative journalism or business leaders he was on the phone with. he says it now on podiums. this tariff thing would hurt everyone? >> it would. for trump, what is missed, his perfect way to pick winners and losers. it's why you see more and more business leaders saddle up to him or go quiet because it's not like he is going to instill tariffs across the board. he remembers and he was humiliated in lordstown when he said don't sell your house, nobody is shutting down a plant. he learned he doesn't get to control ford and gm. what he gets to control is you get a tariff, you get a waiver, this guy getsd -- we could be in the same business. if andrew is his homeboy, he

could give andrew a waiver and that gives him a monopoly. >> it's a power grab. that's why you hear these stories about some of the major fortune 500 ceos now not just going silent, but in some ways making private phone calls to him, cozying unto him public or private because they me if he wins, they need to make that phone call and they need him u his help. apple makes most products in china. tim cook needs donald trump to be nice to him. why do you think you haven't heard much from apple? >> wait, wait, wait. this is now not a conversation about the economy. this is a conversation about the richest and most powerful people in the world leaning into autocracy. why is that where they are? >> they don't think of it that way. >> have them call the companies in hungry. a capricious autocrat doesn't

care if you call and say nice things or didn't go to a kamala harris rally. >> the economy won't work. but in their minds, they are thinking they are beholden to their customers, employees and shareholders and they are rationalizing it. i am not defending it. they are rationalizing by saying i have to do my job and for my company i need to make sure i am on the right side of whomever the next president is. the truth is if they end up on the wrong side of kamala harris she will do the right thing, treat every business the same way and they know they are dealing with something truly different in trump. i am not excusing it, but that's their mindset. >> the wealthiest people in america can't stand up to something that they think is a threat and some of them do -- >> who? >> you can -- >> name one. who? >> reed hoffman. former ceo of linkedin. >> he is out there. >> mark cuban. >> why is jamie dimon telling people he is voting for kamala

harris? >> and won't say it outloud. >> he used to donate to political figures under his own name, right? now he doesn't. his wife does. he doesn't. why? because -- >> he literally is hiding behind the women. this is everything happening in this moment. >> warren buffett used to literally throw rallies for hillary clinton. public about how he didn't give away his right to vote or support candidates. this year he said, i am not going to get involved in the -- the country is too tribal. >> it's also because in jeff bezos' case, he wrote the op-ed monday and said there is a loss of trust in the country, doesn't matter who either -- there is no loss of trust on both sides. the reason there is a loss of trust in media is because for the last 30 years far-right wing media, roger ailes is laughing from hell, they created this loss and trust. as donald trump is telling you i am going to -- pennsylvania and

this election is rigged, those lies have been told over and over day in and day out for the last 30 years that caused this distrust. for jeff bezos to hide behind that, there is no trust, if he makes the decision because he is given a free pass to all sorts of other business leaders to hide. for jeff bezos to say on the eve of the election we are not endorsing, that doesn't fly. >> he lost 250,000 subscription also from "the washington post" -- >> it doesn't hurt him. it hurt hurts the judge journalists. >> nothing hurts them. they are sailing on their yachts. >> maybe trump will get a fat contract for blue origin, space exploration company, which doesn't make money and needs government contracts. >> they have nothing compared to jamie dimon and jeff bezos except principles. >> there is a fascinating article in fortune that's an

interview with jeff bezos' former pr guy who basically tries to explain rationalize why jeff may have made that decision. he says he would probably go through a decision tree of sorts where he says, blue origin and the future of humanity is at stake. maybe not democracy, but humanity -- >> the egos, this is -- keep going. >> this is the explanation. and therefore, if you are making that decision tree and you cared deeply about blue origin moving forward because you thought it would help humanity and trump could potentially stand in the way of that if he became the president, you would make that decisions. >> and yet -- >> let me -- >> but let me say, does he not realize that a pregnant woman in georgia, two of them died -- i mean, i don't buy humanity. take -- tell them to shove it up you know what because humanity is caring about your fellow americans, not that you think your space capsule is going to save the world. >> i am not defending the

decision. i think what happens with a lot of people know who make decisions like this is they genuinely think that they are making a principled decision. we of course -- >> what principle? >> we can disagree with them. >> they think -- >> i am not agreeing. for the greater, bigger good. where you bring up shaye moss and ruby freeman, neither jamie dimon or jeff bezos have been discriminated against for sex, age, their race, their -- for anything. right? they have never been at risk. if you are someone who has never been at risk you have a different perspective. this argument that blue origin is the wave of the future, we might not have a present. that's absurd. >> i don't accept that. if you are a white woman you understand the pain of being a mother to a black son and being terrified every time they get in a car. i don't accept because they are rich white men they don't understand the pain of others. what keeps them from saying autocracies all over the world are bad for capitalism?

>> i think that they look at which way -- i think they look which way the wind is blowing and say they are going to get blown over. if you read the op-ed, one of the things he says -- which i don't think is untrue and i think he believes, is very much that the op-ed was not going to change the voters' view of the world. so i think in that context, he says to himself, we can do that. we can either step out and say, and it's not going to make any kind of difference, though, obviously, a huge difference to the people reading it and now we are having this conversation. i am not -- i am not -- >> i know you are not. i'm desperately trying to understand it. i worked for republicans. i never demonized corporate american in my entire political life. i am dissed as an american people with everything do nothing for people with nothing. people who don't have the money to hire fancy lawyers work the polls next tuesday. who so protecting them?

they don't have drivers and security. they have more courage than 98% of the business leaders in america gallons me. explains it to me. >> here is what is especially stupid. the fact that they are going with the wind, oh, things look good for trump, this whole things look good for trump is smoke and mirrors. this election is a dead heat. i know that donald trump is a king of projection. he is perfecting smoke and mirrors and has elon musk more than in his pocket. and elon musk's misinformation machine which is twitter has a huge impact on the psyche and fact that tons of people who andrew and i cover are now talking day in and day out if about ply market and betting markets. let me tell you. the only thing easier than manipulating a boy is manipulating a stock. it's happening in the betk markets, djt stock. real investors are saying, are you looking at the markets?

bologna. oly market, peter thiel built j.d. vance in a lab and presented him to us. >> they look at this asymmetric risk. that's the explanation. by the way, probably starts with some of someone like governor de stand tis. true retribution to the disney corporation in the state of florida as it relights to taxes. i don't think we saw anything like that before and said, you know what? a politician with power can actually do demonstrable damage potentially to our business and they are looking at that and saying to themselves, we don't want that. >> but i -- >> and they are too scared to stand up. if they do and be on the losing end of it which given how close things are -- this is not my rationale. trying to rationalize why this may be happening. people i would love to see stand up and i had private conversations with them about that. it's not something that you are seeing publicly.

>> i understand all of that. and as the only person who worked in a republican campaign, i promise you appeasement won't work. appeasing the tyrant? means they think they are free? donald trump tried to stop the merger with at&t. i understand everything you're saying. they have shareholders. they are too rich to notice. they are white men. they don't care. that might be true. they don't care if they live in a democracy. they are so rich, they will be fine. >> i don't think they don't care. i think they care, but they don't care enough. >> they are not willing to do anything to protect the democracy with all the money in the world. here's what i don't understand. can any of them point to an example in human history where appeasement protected anyone? >> no. jeff bezos' case, right, he remembers when donald trump was president. jeff bezos ran amazon. what did trump do because he didn't like jeff? he raised postage prices. >> and what happened to the

"washington post"? it soared. >> correct. the absurdity. jeff bezos has blue origin. elon musk has spacex. if jeff bezos thinks not endorsing kamala harris is going to get him closer to trump, elon musk is always going to be donald trump's numero uno. it's not going serve jeff bezos and trump likes punishing people. >> what is elon musk all about? >> oh, that's a whole separate show. >> go ahead. we have two hours. >> what do i think elon musk's about? i think elon musk, look, i am going to go back in history. i always thought -- i know it's a counter fact. many years ago president biden made a mistake -- shl i agree. >> pivotal mistake in his presidency, he held this conference around electric vehicles at the white house to herald electric vehicles. >> he drove a truck, right? >> invited mary barr, runs general motors, the ceo of ford, all the auto makers except for

tesla. he didn't invite elon musk to the event even though they were the only ones who made electric cars and deserved to be heralded. >> 100%. >> at minimum. and i think that elon musk in that moment -- you could say his feelings were hurt. i think the one thing that's funny about people, and now that i covered a lot of people with a lot of money, it doesn't matter. the money is not -- the money is not armor. the money is not arm early. people think the money is armor. it's not. >> i think it's the opposite. i think those of us without the money have all the armor and people with the armor have the softest skin on earth. elon musk is the softest skinned human i see. >> i think it's something -- yes, i think the -- >> that was related to unions, interestingly. >> i think, however, i think the biggest thing that will happen in next five to ten years is artificial intelligence. what it's going to look like, how it's going to be regulated. it is absolutely the number one thing on elon musk's minds.

if donald trump were to be the next president, i guarantee he doesn't know anything about a.i. he doesn't care anything about a.i. and i don't believe that elon musk is going to be in charge of some commission or wants a cabinet position. no way, no how, no chance. what elon musk is a shadow president and get to call that white house and tell donald trump exactly what he wants and how he wants it with regard to a.i. and a.i. is going to impact every element of our lives and that's why i think elon musk sees that donald trump -- i am not going to say -- donald trump is a useful powerful tool in the white house, and there is people like musk who see it and want to use him for that just that. >> proximity to power is power. >> yes. >> and if you can't get it on your own, this is the closest you can buy it, effectively. that is what is happening here. >> let me say this about power. i think what business leaders have is power. power not just to make more

money or hire more people which is incredibly important. i am here because i work for a great company that lets me have these conversations. companies also have the power to endorse the democratic system which they thrive. and why don't they do that? >> if we were really having a sort of on the couch moment, i think almost everybody, no matter how much money they have, they are a little uncertain about their station in life. >> they are scared? >> even the ones with the money. >> scared? >> scared. >> okay. >> i think that's the answer. maybe an unsatisfying answer -- >> it's an answer. >> if we are trying to get at what it is -- >> they use as a execution so many things came up in the last five years, they stood up -- >> that's true. >> so they argue we stood up for this, that -- >> isn't democracy a good one? >> yes, i agree, but this is the shell that they are hiding behind. we put ourselves out there. we need to go back to basics.

the problem is this is the most important thing to stand up for and they are not there. >> i just hope when one of these big scared leaders, daughters tweets that picture of donald trump golfing and trump punishes their company in an arbitrary and capricious way that they realize that autocracy isn't the way, the autocratic leader who doesn't care about anything except his thin skin. it's one of the great tragedies of this moment. liz cheney gave up a senate seat. adam kinzinger is on the road. these are people giving so much for nothing other than those companies are free to make all -- we have no limit how rich you can be. you could have a dozen yachts in the country. that's the american way. they won't put a single piece of skin in the game, is to me the greatest tragedy of this election cycle so for. >> we don't argue with you. >> you are the best. i feel like this you put me on the couch.

andrew, stephanie -- >> you feel better? >> i feel like i understand. i mean, they are scared explains a lot. but that they are scared makes me even more disappointed it in them. >> fair. >> how is that for a start? when we come back, running against the big lie. arizona senate election pits democrat ruben gallego against one of the most vocal election deniers in maga world, kari lake. also ahead, the united states supreme court siding with republicans, surprise, surprise, in allowing virginia to purge the voter rolls days ahead of the presidential election. mark elias will be back with us. what else? he is worried with steve bannon obsessed with him today. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere.

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she is still in denial about the 2022 election. now i will give you a minute. you have one minute. will you finally tell the people of arizona did you win or lose that election? >> can i talk about water really quickly? [ laughter ] >> one of my favorite moments in the trump era. if you aren't laughing, you are crying. moments like that have defined what is happening in arizona and the senate race on one side. earth one, if you will. congressman ruben gallego, a former combat veteran turned congressman has built a broad coalition of enthusiastic bipartisan support including from republicans like mesa mayor, john giles and law enforcement and from border control -- border patrol groups

rarely endorsing democrats. then kari lake is that former t anchor turned election denier turned wannabe trump wing woman whose refusal to admit she lost the election for governor in the state, even though someone has been governor two years, mocked by everyone up to and including donald trump. joining us now is her opponent, congressman ruben gallego. democratic nominee for senate in arizona. nice to see you. tell me how the race is going. >> buenos noches. it's a tight race. it's going well. arizona is a tight race. we have a lot more registered republicans than democrats. but i have been going at this now 22 months reaching out to my friends across the aisle are, both independents, republicans. going to the red parts of the state, some places ignored. some you have our native american communities. we are putting a coalition together to win. we are doing it by talking to people, treating it them with

respect and reminding them this is our country and we could all work together to keep it moving forward. >> i felt that this presidential election -- i described it as a first nonpartisan presidential election in my lifetime. and your candidacy feels like the perfect parallel happening in a battleground state. you are not running a partisan election. you are assembling a broad coalition. tell me what that conversation is like for undecided voters in arizona. how are you winning them it to your side? >> well, look, some of it is working across the aisle and showing the history of doing it. and also just having the attitude. i am very lucky. i got to serve in the united states marine corps, combat for my country. most of the guys i served with are trump supporters or republicans in general. some of them are conservative republicans. so i know how to talk to them and how to listen and that's the most important part is also just listening to them. and so some of them are telling me and this is happening across

the state, especially veterans, they are worried about election denialism, the direction and tone and rhetoric of the country and want to see elected officials to work together to move this country forward beyond the bitterness they see now. kari lake is not having those conversations. and i am sitting down having these conversations with elected officials, republican leaders, and having civil conversations. sometimes agreeing not to support me, but understanding that they are always going to have someone to talk to. sometimes we have had success. we have mayors and city council members, elected officials, republicans that are coming onboard and saying, you know what? it is time to put partisanship aside, work for the betterment of the country, the election denialism and angst in the environment now is not healthy for the economy, for this democracy. we are willing to work with you to move beyond this period. >> you weighed in on one of the big stories roiling the presidential campaign. your tweet, quote, puerto ricans have died in defense tv this

country, including my fellow marine brothers and sisters. we all took the same oath to defend this country. these disgusting and disrespectful statements are not what the united and united states stands for. we are better than this. has your opponent condemned those comments? >> no, and she never will. but look, there is not one latino in this country that hasn't been called a -- by a racist term. it happened to me growing up, when i got back from the war. and there is nothing more hurtful than your fellow american, you know, calling you something by a racist term or treating you in a racist manner. people in puerto rico, americans should not be called that. and it really is a stain on this country when we treat any part of america in that way. but this is what you get from people like kari lake. instead of trying to rise above it, she actually only engages it. this is the same person, by the

way, that tried to kick out the mccain republicans from the party from her own party. you know, it has really -- a lot of people, continuing in election denialism to the point where my neighbor, a republican, had to go get private security because of the death threats that he got because of her. le to the point he sued her for defamation and she actually agreed that she defamed him. so this is who i'm running against, someone who doesn't want to unite. she wants to diy arizonans. she will do anything to gain power. in the end we lose adds americans and arizonans. >> last night vice president kamala harris delivered her closing remarks on the ellipse. i want to show our viewers, i think we have a picture of your conduct, your action, your bravery on january 6th. and i wonder if you could talk about that as a fault line in american politics and whether that comes up for you on the campaign trail as one these

fissures with the mccain republicans over january 6th. >> well, from my experience, even that day, i can't see what you are showing, but one of the things i was intent on doing is showing my fellow colleagues how to wear these gas masks. i didn't care if you were democrat or republican. i knew we were all in danger and i was one of the few trained to actually, well, in testimony one, lead people in very serious situations, and how to put gas masks on. i talked to the democratic elected officials, republican congress many trying to get their gas masks on because i knew we had to potentially stand there and fight and save democracy that way. and as i have traveled this state and meeting with democrats, republicans independents, mccain republicans, veterans, conservatives, people are saying, you know, i can't stand to see what happened on january 6th. i appreciate what you did, but i also appreciate the seriousness

of what happened that day and i can't take a chance in voting for people that either encouraged it or conduct it and, therefore, i am voting for you, ruben, and/or for other democrats. you're right. in some way this election is bringing a to lot of post-partisan people together to defend democracy and the constitution of the united states, something i took very dear to my heart when i first swore and joined the marines at the age of 20 and still do now at the age of 44. >> the picture we showed was exactly that, you helping folks to their gas masks. congressman ruben gallego, i know these are busy last days. we are really grateful for you taking the time to talk to us. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> when we come back six days to go ahead of election day in america. and today the united states supreme court allowed republicans in virginia to purge the commonwealth's voter rolls. it happens as the disgraced

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less than one week to go before election day, and you can leave it to the conservative members of the united states supreme court to make an 11th hour decision with voting already underway to allow republican officials in virginia to remove registered voters from the system. the decision overturns a federal

judge's ruling banning the purging of voter registrations so close to election day which the united states department of justice says violates federal law and uses inaccurate data to determine a voter's eligibility. meanwhile, in pennsylvania, the disgraced ex-president is laying the groundwork to contest the election before any state is allowed to count a single ballot accusing pennsylvania without any evidence or specifics, of course, of, quote, cheating and getting caught and while county investigators work to ensure the security of the election and the validity of ballot applications, trump is stoking fear about thousands of, quote, fake ballots. we have been here before and we know what this is and we know what it a leads to. fear-mongering, lying, undermining the american people's faith in the election system and process and, yes, in a post-january 6th world the threat of violence. and pull bomb calls it the other

half of the trump campaign psychologically preparing americans for an assault on the electoral system. a second january 6th if trump does not win or else an assault on the political system and rule of law if he does. joining our conversation voting rights attorney founder of the site democracy docket marc elias is here. his firm has also been retained by the harris campaign ahead of the election and his entire being is living deep inside the recesses of steve bannon's head. welcome today. what do we want to do first today? steve bannon or the lawsuits? >> let's knock out the supreme court real quick. you know, what you need to understand about this case in virginia is that glenn youngkin ran as the governor as a moderate and got caught up on the wrong side of maga. he thought maga was on the way out and he would be a rising star, playing in a moderate

lane. donald trump won the nomination. now he is scrambling to get in donald trump's good graces. in the middle of august he decides he is going to issue an executive order to purge voters in clear, sorry, last month executive order to clearly in clear violation of federal law he gets sued by the department of justice. this is all about a small number of ballots, small number of voters, rather, who are registered that he claims shouldn't be, that there is a dispute over. there is to no dispute it violates federal law. he brings it to the u.s. supreme court because he wants the publicity of claiming and demagoguing on this issue that he is doing something even though republicans will lose in virginia. this isn't going to affect the outcome. it sets him up to be try to be in the good graces request donald trump. it's shameful on his part. it's the wrong decision by the u.s. supreme court. it will not affect the outcome of the election. >> it has a parallel to what happened in texas.

well, traditionally reliably red state, they went to pass a voter suppression law predicated on something they bragged about having none of, fraud, and here we are. i want to ask you to take me through all of the steps and all of the facts in pennsylvania, which is likely to be where all eyes are trained on election night. >> yeah, the big fact to know in pennsylvania is that you are not sure who is winning and losing based on the conflicting polls, just listen to donald trump. he is losing. he thinks he is losing pennsylvania and the way we know is that every time donald trump is going to lose an election, he immediately starts making outlandish claims of fraud. that's what he is doing. this is all a bunch of nonsense. he is manufacturing in advance a grievance mentality by filing lawsuits that he loses, by now claiming that he is the victim much fraud. you know, donald trump for some guy who thinks he is super powerful sure plays the victim a

lot. and it is usually the predicate to him losing. don't pay any attention to him. he will lie about it and, you know, just keep everyone, keep their eye on the ball, register to vote and vote. >> i have so much more to get to with you. i have to sneak in a quick break. will you stick around? >> of course. >> we'll be right back. over 400,000 people with afib have left blood thinners behind with watchman. a safe, one—time implant that reduces stroke risk and bleeding worry, for life.

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from anne applebaum. the instinct is it to done play threats. you are meant to accept this language and behavior, consider this kind of rhetoric baked into any trump campaign. you are supposed to just get used to the idea that trump wishes he had, quote, hitler's generals, or that he uses the stalinist phrase, quote, enemies of the people to describe his opponents. because once you think that's normal, then you'll accept the next step. even when the next step is an assault on democracy and the rule of law. i read that to you because today your name checked by one of the animating intellectual forces of trumpism. if that's even a thing. steve bannon. your thoughts on the attacks on you? >> yeah, so they have gotten, you know, quite pervasive. used to be once in a while steve bannon would pay me a backhanded

compliment by saying, you know, i was such a better lawyer than the lawyers that republicans had in 2020. it feels like in recent days the attacks from him and from others on the right have gotten much more frequent. they are also, you know, a little bit more unhinged in some quarters. but i take it as a sign that the other side knows they are losing. and the other side does want to normalize, you know, attacking, for example, a lawyer who is doing nothing other than trying to ensure that everyone can vote and we have free and fair elections. the bigger point though, i think, that you are making is important, and it's something that frustrates me a lot with a lot of the media coverage, which is that oftentimes i am asked, well, you know, donald trump will claim that he won the election when he didn't, and i'm thinking, well, like, but shouldn't that be an extraordinary thing? the fact that you say that as a normal fact is part of the problem. people will say, well, he is filing a bunch of lawsuits he

knows he had lose to sow chaos. i want to turn back to the reporters and say, that's not normal. that into be front page news. that should be the news. and this is why i so appreciate the work that you do because you do point out how abnormal this is. but i do worry that there has become, as we head towards election day quickly, there is this, like, two-tiered system? which democrats we're expected to file lawsuits that are meritorious and win and the republicans are permitted to file frivolous lawsuits and sow chaos and disinformation. >> and i guess the distinction between 2024 and 2020. we have their taped depositions. pollster goms in. then the data went in and showed him he lost. then the campaign manager went in. then the flak went in. then some family was sent in. they knew on election night. and they told him that he had

lost. so we live in post-election night liar donald trump. and i wonder how you would advise us to cover election night this time. >> yeah, so if i had one piece of advice, just don't cover what donald trump says. i know that's hard for a news organization. but donald trump lies constantly. and it is one thing when he is lying about windmills and sharks and electric boats and whether he would rather be eaten by a shark or electrocuted. it's one thing when he is lying about plans on taxes or another thing. but on election night he is going to lie about the outcome. the next day he is going to continue to lie about the outcome. and the problem with giving tha giving that coverage is it creates this reality for part of the country that is just a tinderbox waiting for him to light a match. we need to all be clear that donald trump is a liar. donald trump will lie. the republican party will

amplify his lies, and i think it's incumbent on everyone who cares about the fate of democracy to be clear and not give him that platform. i have to admit in 2020 some of it was kind of hump rouse watching rudy giuliani sweat through his hair dye and four season landscaping when he thought it was the four season hotel. we saw how that turned out and we need to be very careful about what platforms he and his agents are given this go around. >> i had chris krebs on yesterday who was fired for saying 2020 was the most secure election in america's history. he said yesterday this one will be even more secure. what do you say to voters who are feeling antsy about all of this noise in the system? >> yeah. it's basically to tune it out. i mean, the fact is the pollsters know who's going to win. tune it out. the fact that donald trump knows who's going to win pennsylvania,

that tells you more than anything else. in terms of the hate, rhetoric and vile, they have a plan. he'll file a bunch of litigation to make it seem like voting is dangerous. they want you to react by not voting. here is my message to you. make sure you're registered. make sure you have a plan to vote. if you want to vote early, vote early. if you want to vote on election day, vote on election day. if you want to vote by mail by all means get your mail in ballot in today. use a drop box. they're safe and reliable. most of all, don't let him win by intimidating or by discouraging you from believing that your vote won't matter. you vote. don't worry about it. the lawyers will make sure the

votes are counted. >> mark elias, someone with a lot of demands on his time. thank you for making the time to talk to us. >> any time, nicole. i hope we get to do it at least one more time before election day. >> no shortage of headlines. keep yourself free between 4 and 6. another break. we'll be right back.

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