♪♪ tonight on "the reidout" -- >> we are six days away from an election. and ours is about a fight for democracy and your right to be

heard! [ cheers and applause ]. >> that is what is on the line in this election. look, everybody has a right to be heard, but right now i am speaking. >> a passionate kamala harris responding to a demonstrator in the battleground state of pennsylvania. on the heels of her block buster rally on the ellipse last night. as donald trump lays the groundwork for a challenge to a harris victory. plus, no apology from trump for the racism directed at the puerto rican people at his weekend rally, as more prominent puerto ricans denounce trump and announce support for harris. and trump's dangerous second act. he would put vaccine conspiracyist rfk jr. in charge of health agencies and billionaire troll elon musk in charge of government spending. with musk promising temporary hardship for the american

people. but we begin just six days out from election day in this final stretch, both vice president kamala harris and donald trump are hammering home their closing arguments to voters, hoping it resonates as americans fill out their ballots. if last night's crowd in the backyard of the white house is any indication, the vice president's message has stuck the landing. according to the harris campaign, at least 75,000 people filled the ellipse and spilled out on to the national mall. it well exceeded the maga crowd who showed up in that very spot nearly four years ago on trump's behalf before the capitol insurrection. yes, sorry, donald, her crowd size was bigger. you know, and not criminally violent. and today, we're getting the biggest indication that trump is getting nervous about his chances next week. he's already laying the groundwork to not only claim that there is cheating in the election, but that the whole

state is involved in it. posting on social media, pennsylvania is dheeting and getting caught at large scale levels rarely seen before. that sounds very familiar because trump did the exact same thing four years ago in the very same state. and i get it. when you compare the closing messages of the two campaigns that their presenting, what else could trump possibly rely on. here is the vice president last night. >> i pledge to seek common ground and common sense solutions to make your life better. i am not looking to score political points. i am looking to make progress. i pledge to listen to experts, to those who will be impacted by the decisions i make. and to people who disagree with me. unlike donald trump, i don't believe people who disagree with me are the enemy. he wants to put them in jail.

i'll give them a seat at the table. >> the difference could not be clearer, from the tone presented at trump's dark and divisive rally at madison square garden. that he claimed yesterday was, quote, an absolute love fest. well, you know, you be the judge. >> i don't think anybody has ever seen anything like what happened the other night at madison square garden. >> she's a fake, a fraud, she's a pretender. her and her pimp handlers will destroy our country. >> in fact, she is the devil who ever screamed that out. she is the anti-christ. >> the love, the love, the love in that room. it was breathtaking. >> the whole [ bleep ] party a buchbl of degenerates, low lives, tool haters and low lives. every one of them. >> it was like a love fest. an absolute love fest and it was

my honor to be involved. >> there's a lot going on. i don't know if you guys know this, there's literally a floating island of garbage the middle of the ocean right now. yeah. i think it's called puerto rico. >> nobody ever had a crowd like that. and i tell you what, right now nobody's ever had love like that. that was love in the room. and it was love for our country. >> wow. joining me now is eugene robinson, "washington post" columnist and msnbc political analyst. tony schwartz, coauthor of "trump, the art of the deal." thank you both for being here. tony, you reminded me we sat across from each other, i was where you guys were sitting and bill maar was here talking just before the 2016 election. good to see you again. hopefully under different circumstances. but you know -- you really wrote the book that made trump famous. so you know him. what he's doing when he calls that hate fest a love fest, is

he just lying? does he not remember what happened? or is he simply declining cog anytively. >> yeah you take a guy who lies as easily as he breathes, is sociopathic and is also losing his mental faculties and it's a pretty toxic brew. and i would have said over the last eight years that he did know the difference between the truth and a lie. i don't really believe he is much aware of it anymore. and so what you see him do is say, this is what psychopaths do, sociopaths do, is say whatever he thinks will have the effect he wants with a total disregard for the truth but also with a lack of conscience about it. so he doesn't have guilt or shame. he just says it. and it is terrifying when watching that sort of two-sided

video, you just -- it's breathtaking to imagine that we're talking about a race between these two people because one of them is so clearly not qualified and the other one is so clearly qualified. >> well, and i mean, that is the challenge in america, right? she's a woman of color who is getting -- is getting essentially called a whore in madison square garden. explicitly. she has all of these great qualifications and career that she's achieved in her career, yet trump's followers just think she just slept to the top. they don't believe she's actually qualified to be even any job in the world. so the reality is, donald trump is leading a group of people who want to believe what he's saying. they want to believe that hate fest is love. >> they want to believe what he says. and they don't want to hear anything that contradicts what he says. they don't have to because they can live in their own media

bubble where what he says either is kind of true or it's made kind of true, right? >> this is jd vance. i want to play this for you. once called trump's maybe america's hitler. he was the first one to call him hitler, it was him. and here he is trying to say, no, no, no, trump never said that he was going to sick the military on the american people. and then let's hear trump completely rebuke that not long after. here you go. >> i'm telling you that donald trump has said, and i agree with him, that we should use the u.s. military to go after americans. >> people who riot. who burn down our cities. >> this is what john kelly was alarmed by the idea of using the u.s. military to go after americans. >> he's not donald trump never said americans writ large. you keep on putting words in his mouth -- >> are they or are they not americans. >> far less people who commit acts of violent who riot -- >> now you're doing a very

narrow definition of what he said which is not what he said. >> when i say the enemy within, the other side goes crazy. becomes, oh, how can he say. no, no. they've done very bad things to this country. they are indeed the enemy from within. >> in other interviews he explicitly named adam schiff and nancy pelosi. even people just saying rioting americans -- >> they're americans, right. talking about using the military. >> exactly. >> jd vance is another interesting person. i was thinking about him today because he lies so fluently. >> yeah. >> and remorselessly. either he has learned from the master or he's got these tendencies, too. i think he's a very dangerous person. >> let me read what was written in the atlantic. trump wants you to accept all of this as normal. the natural human instinct is to dismiss, ignore or down play these kinds of threats. but that's the point. you're meant to accept this language and behavior, to consider this kind of rhetoric baked into any trump campaign.

you're supposed to get used to the idea that trump wishes he had hitler's generals or uses the stalinist phrase enemies of the people to describe his opponents. because once you think that's normal, then you'll accept the next step. even when that next step is an assault on democracy and the rule of law. >> yeah. well, we're watching it. and trump is -- he's sort of the front man for what i see as a clash of civilization, famous book clash of civilizations, where the group whose power is being challenged has a desperate last cry. and that cry is the cry of petri archiand seeing it embodied in trump and elon musk and all of the billionaires who are supporting him right now. and i really do think that this election comes down to how many women show up to vote and how many men who recognize and

respect women show up on their behalf. and if you think about it, the message from trump is about dominance and power and violence. and the message for women more commonly is relationship and interdependence. which one do we want to aim toward in the years ahead? it's like a no brainer. >> yeah. and the thing is that donald trump's strategy snot a way to win an election because it doesn't add anyone. >> no. >> it's only the people who are already a-holes that want it. >> right, right. it's all base, base, base. he fires up the base. he has made absolutely no attempt, for example, to go after nikki haley's voters. right? >> doesn't want her campaigning with him. >> doesn't want her campaigning with him. she was getting 15, 20% of the vote even after she dropped out of the race. and so clearly there are

republicans out there who are reluctant to vote for donald trump. who don't want to. she said she would campaign for him. she said she would help him. >> can i ask you about this. why does she say she'll campaign for him. humiliaing their own people as part of the schtick. she's willing to be humiliated by trump, byron donlds ask willing to walk on stage after dixie's plane. they have no self regard. no self respect and that's the kind of people he attracts. >> right. they're all making a mistake. he has no loyalty, right? so he will screw them left and right if he decides to. but they all want to have a future in the republican party. and they think that, you know, some day trump will be gone, but the party has been magafied. so they're trying -- now, that's how they -- that's what they tell themselves. >> sure. >> that they have to do this. >> sleep at night. >> to have a future. >> one questions whether they

actually have a future. >> no. >> i kind of doubt it. >> what happens to him if he loses, psychologically. >> let's first say what actually happens is he will -- this election will go on, this dispute will go on throughout the fall and he will fight in every way imaginable, because for him to lose, joy, is to be obliterated. it's no different. win, lose, it's binary. if you lose, you are nothing. and that comes from his father and that's the message that gets -- that's the generational trauma that's been passed down. so he will do that. what happens to him psychologically, he will spend ere last bit of his energy trying to change the facts because it's intolerable for him to feel the truth. >> it's hard for me to believe that people don't look at these two people and say this is the most accomplished woman, the most accomplished person to run for president in a really long time. all the jobs she's had, all the accomplishments she's had and

look at him and his first job in politics was president of the united states because he was on tv. >> plus she's sane and he's not sane. >> well, there's that too. and she has a broad coalition including liz cheney and aoc. thank you very much. coming up, the continued fallout the impact the racist comments at trump's rally and the impact to latino vote. stay with us. impact to latino vote stay with us your best defense against erosion and cavities is strong enamel. nothing beats it. i recommend pronamel active shield

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idea who he is. somebody said there was a comedian that joked about puerto rico or something. and i have no idea who he is. never saw him. er in heard of him. and don't want to hear of him. but i have no idea. they put a comedian in, which everybody does. you throw comedians in. you don't vet them and go crazy. i don't know who put him in. and i can't imagine it's a big deal. i've done more for puerto rico than any president that's ever -- that's ever been president. >> i don't know whose campaign it. who could have put him in? who is in charge of this campaign any way? no apologies for the msg insults during what was supposed to be a hip hop and sports super show and closing argument, burnishing trump's gains among black and latino voters but ultimately served as a c-list filled reminder of just how trump treated puerto ricans while in office. a long list of which includes, calling the island dirty and the

people poor and wondering whether it could be swapped for greenland. expressing doubts about hurricane maria's death toll and resisting sending aid to the territory. then tossing paper towels to a crowd once he finally got around to touring the hurricane's aftermath. surely that's trump doing far mar than any president. meanwhile the backlash from the so-called comedian's remarks continue to grow with the island's most popular newspaper, now urging the roughly 5 million puerto ricans living in the mainland to vote for kamala harris. the the chairman of puerto rico's republican party now says he will with hold his support from trump and the archbishop of san juan says trump needs to personally apologize. the swift and forceful response is really not that surprising. puerto ricans are an incredibly proud people. a message underscored by the islands and one of the world's biggest talents, bad bunny, who yesterday released an

eight-minute video, captioned, garbage. which shows the beauty of the island and its people. and highlights the pride he feels for puerto rico, notably ending with the message, we are fighting since day one for our existence. we're the definition of heart and resistance. here we continue. here we are. and for those that forget who we are, stay at ease with pride. we will remind you. joining me now is victor martinez, owner of the allentown, pennsylvania, based radio station. thank you so much for being here, mr. martinez. just give me the download on the reaction because people don't realize allentown is to puerto ricans as miami is to cubans. it's a very, very heavily puerto rican town. what's been the reaction to this joke? >> thank you for having me. and one more person you missed in your intro, jennifer

gonzalez, the puerto rico representative in washington, in congress, who is and has been a real, strong trump supporter yesterday in puerto rico television said that this could cost trump in the states where puerto ricans live. and again, she's a very strong, strong trump supporter. even she is running away from him. yes, allentown is 55% latino. and about 45% of that population is puerto rican. reading, pennsylvania, 69% latino and 60% is puerto rican. we have about 600,000, 500,000 puerto ricans that live in the state of pennsylvania. 300,000 of those can vote. >> and here's the thing, i think people really don't understand -- i think americans don't necessarily think about the geography of our latino cohort. west of the mississippi, the majority of latinos are mexican-american. largely.

you go to certain place a lot of guatemalan, people from other places, peru, other places. east of the mississippi, let's put up a map. places like kentucky n places like north carolina, in obviously florida has over 1 million puerto ricans. new york has over a million. we're talking about eastern sea board, the puerto ricans are largely puerto rican. with some dominicans but mainly puerto ricans. >> there's more puerto ricans outside of puerto rico than there is in puerto rico. there's about 3.4 million puerto ricans on the island. about 6 million of us outside of the island. yes, we have about 100,000 in north carolina. swing state. we have about 50 to 60,000 in arizona. we have about 30 to 50,000 in wisconsin. we have 600, 500,000 in pennsylvania. yes, there's a lot of puerto ricans in a lot of swing states. again, we're talking about 300,000 puerto rican voters. let's say that in pennsylvania

one, two, 3% of those 300,000 decide that, you know what, they don't want to vote for trump. they now want to vote for kamala harris. that could decide pennsylvania. and that could decide the presidency. with my callers, we have five radio stations in pennsylvania. our morning shows simulcast through all five. we have an audience of 250,000 latinos in pennsylvania. for the last three days, we have been taking non-stop calls and comments from people upset, pissed off to the fact that, number one, this was said and, number two, with every hour that goes by, people are getting more and more upset because they just can't stand or understand why trump hasn't said anything about it. why he hasn't distanced himself. why he hasn't denied it or apologized. this could have been fixed real quick. he could have said, listen, i'm sorry. i don't know this guy. i don't appreciate what he said. i don't agree with what he said

and done. now three, four almost days later, silence. nothing. as a matter of fact -- well, i wouldn't say silence. he said it was a love fest. he said he was honored to participate in this event. so, yeah. everyday that goes by, every hour that goes by, he pissed people off even more. >> the other piece is he doesn't seem to have a lot of respect for puerto ricans or the culture. he called nikki jam, a guy who actually endorsed him, a woman, and said, oh, she's hot. didn't know who this guy was. that man, nicky jam now rescinded his endorsement and taken it away. >> yes. >> and i think people forget, puerto ricans there used to be a law flying the puerto rican flag, used to be an actual law against it. they fly that flag because folk are proud. their not going to take it lying down. >> there's two things where we draw the line. the island and the flag. >> there you go. >> you can make fun of us.

you can have fun with us. but the minute you mess with our island, the minute you mess with our flag, that's it. we're done. and again, i can give you another example. i had a caller yesterday who called in to the show and said he was a trump supporter. he already voted. mail-in ballots. now he's regretting it. and what is he doing? he's trying to make up by telling his friends not to vote for trump. >> there you go. victor martinez, thank you so much for your time. much appreciated. and coming up, be ware, trump messed up on this. coming up, trump already made it very clear that his second-term will have horrifying consequences with people like rfk jr. and elon musk in power to wreak havoc. stay with us.

♪♪ we are less than a week out from election day. and if you or anyone you know is still questioning what's at stake in a potential second trump administration, just take a look at what some of his most loyal sycophants, people who would be helping him run the country if he wins are saying outloud. robert f. kennedy jr., the bear killing, anti-vaccine told supporters monday trump promised to give him, quote, control of several public health agent sis including the department of public health and human services, the cdc and the fda. house speaker mike johnson, the one trump has a little secret with, told a crowd in pennsylvania this week that

overhauling obamacare would be a trop priority in a trump administration. >> healthcare will be a big part of the agenda. we'll have a very aggressive, we have a lot of things on the table. no obamacare. >> no obamacare. yeah, the aca is so deeply engrained, we need massive reform to make this work. we have a lot of ideas on how to do that. then there's elon musk, trump wants to put in charge of overseeing government efficiency after promising to slash at least $2 trillion from the federal budget. musk is now admitting that those cuts would lead to economic hardship for the american people. >> we have to reduce spending to live within our means. and that necessarily involves some temporary hardship, but it will ensure long-term prosperity. >> and musk isn't the only one predicting economic turmoil. "the washington post" is reporting today that across the u.s., companies that rely on foreign suppliers are preparing

to raise prices in response to the massive import tariffs that trump promises if he wins the election on tuesday. joining me now is colorado governor jared polls. thank you for being here. before you were a governor, you were a businessman. why don't you explain to us h. what happens when tariffs are put on john deere tractors or foreign or imported beer. >> two things happen, joy. the first is right on the face of it, list prices for american consumers increases 20%. inflation has been coming down. it's down to 2.5%. it's going to skyrocket. costs are going to go up for clothing, for everything people buy. in addition it will destroy american manufacturing jobs because companies that assemble things here in america, many of the parts the raw materials are from different countries. all those factories are going to moveover seas to avoid those tariffs. and continue their work. so it destroys jobs, raise prices for american consumers,

be a huge skmik disaster. >> "washington post" reports companies are ready to raise prices to offset the global tariffs trump plans. quote, we're set to raise prices. chief executive of columbia sportswear said in an interview. we're buying stuff today for delivery next fall. we'll deal with it and raise the prices. it's going to be very, very difficult to keep products affordable for americans. one other thing the associated press reports, 16 nobel prize winning economists signed a letter in june expressing fear that trump's proposals would reignite inflation, to pre-pandemic levels. the other piece is that elon musk, whose business relies on heavy government subsidies. he gets lots of government money, has government contracts is saying that everyone else can just deal with the terp rare hardship. no big deal. he's a billionaire. won't hurt him. >> look, companies have to plan for the future. you can't blame them. they know that there's a chance donald trump will be elected. let's avoid that from happening. let's vote for kamala harris and

get it done. but they have to be ready. yeah, prices are going up if donald trump is elected. it's in his policies and getting ready to raise those prices if it happen. and that's doing their job and it's one of the many reasons we need to make sure we elect kamala harris as the next president of the united states. >> what would be the implications of elon musk having bank rolled the presidential campaign of donald trump, and then getting a job overseeing government agencies when he is a prolific government contractor? >> look, i don't know if any of us know what's going on there. but all these folks, whether it's rfk, whether it's elon musk, you know, trump can't keep employees for any period of time. the people who are closest to him, who work for him, said he's a threat to the country. he shouldn't be re-elected. these guys will probably be out the door in a few months. the guy left standing will be donald trump. who is the one who talks about the enemy within, who goes after different groups of americans, we have the better path forward that we can take rather than returning to the chaos of the

past and that's to move past this all and move forward there unity with kamala harris. >> you know, i used to live in colorado. i know colorado is a state that loves health, they love healthy outdoorsyness and that sort of thing. talk about the implications of having rfk jr. in charge of the cdc and essentially in charge of the national healthcare administration. >> i don't know what secret deals donald trump has cut with who. there's a lot of speculation. i don't know how long any of these folks will last. look, i'm somebody who likes rfk and elon musk more than i like donald trump. i don't think they're going to last very long in his administration. if you're out there and like rfk and you think he's going to somehow dictate what donald trump does, look, donald trump is not going to pursue the agenda that you want. he's going to pursue his own agenda of divisiveness, of attacking different americans and dividing us. it's his stock in trade. it's who he is. it's what he does. when you say something, believe it. that's what he says time and time again. and this is no exception. >> governor jared polis, thank you very, very much.

coming up my friend and colleague jacob soboroff joins me to discuss his devastating new documentary, "separated" on the famiies separated at the border by the trump administration and what to expect if trump gets a second term. that's next. expect if trump get term that's next.

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that says it would cost $88 billion to deport 1 million people a year. >> i don't know if that's accurate or not. >> is that what american taxpayers should expect? >> what price do you put on our national security, is it worth it? >> is there a way to carry out mass deportation without separating families? >> of course there is. families can be deported together. >> oh. he seems nice. that man, tom homan was the acting director of immigration and customs enforcement or i.c.e. during the first trump administration. and could be just a few months away from implementing the most dramatically violent deportation policies in modern american history. trump's policies modelled on dwight d. eisenhower's racist operation wetback, just without the offensive name. but the same if not worse results. it will come as no surprise to you that homan is a project 2025

contributor. helping craft a more efficiently cruel and bloody immigration policy for donald trump's next administration. and it's not just project 2025. the trump campaign made mass deportation a rallying cry at their convention. their plans include nationwide raids, massive tent detention facilities, family detention, deportation of american citizens, militarizing the border, eliminating popular relief programs and visa categories, eventual throttling of legal immigration and killing any legal office that would assess the legality of these programs. like i said, homan and trump know how to be cruel. homan was the architect of the most repulsive child abuse program implemented by the american government on trump's behalf m. the zero tolerance child separation policy. which film director errol morris detailed in heart wrenching detail provided by a former

federal official working in refugee resettlement. in his knew documentary "separated" based on nbc correspondent jacob soboroff's book of the same name. >> once you've exhausted all the ordinary things the law permits, then all that's left for those people for whom anything is possible is to do something extraordinary in its cruelty. and that's what happened here. >> homan, who said he didn't give an s word about the nearly 5,000 children separated from their parents by the trump administration. warned that if trump comes back in january, quote, they ain't seen s.h.i.t. yet. wait until 2025. more than 1,000 of those children he separated remain orphans to this day. and here's what's different, there would be nobody to stop

trump and homan next time because they will have replaced the entire federal goth with people willing to break or bend the law for trump. nbc's jacob soboroff is the author of the book "separated" and executive producer oeft documentary. jacob, my friend, it's so good to see you. >> thanks, joy. when i watched this documentary is what struck me is the -- it give me nazi vibes. i'll be honest. the sort of rolling over of ordinary bureaucrats who put up a resistance to it and who questioned it but who were eventually either rolled over or replaced. you know, it felt, i don't know, it felt -- for you talk about this policy and how you see it unfolding if he gets to do it again. >> well, to your exact point, joy, you know, i think errol morris does what i think very few film makers do, through his signature device, like when he

put donald rems feld in front of it or the people who perpetrated the horrors at abu grave. you see into their souls. you see one of many people he interviews in the way that only errol morris can, scott lloyd, the political appointee thatover saw the department of orr, the office of refugee resettlement. jonathan white, who you saw a clip of right there who is really a hero and along with the people, the career folks in orr tried everything they could to stop this policy from happening at every turn. he says, scott lloyd, who basically says i was a back bencher, i was just here sort of to help out the administration but who was the film reveals in constant contact with stephen miller directly the from the white house which is very, very unusual. he said he was one of the most prolific child abusers in the history of our country for what they did. don't take it from me, the george w. bush appointed judge said it was one of the most

shameful chapters in the history of our country. a government sanctioned child abuse. physicians for human rights said it met the united nations definition for torture. >> steven miller on a sunday in madison square garden. >> america is for americans and americans only. >> if child separation happened again or if the administration, trump administration, comes back. that man and tom homan who we heard on "60 minutes" that cold, ice cold person that we saw there, they would be in charge. and talk about what that would look like. you and i both saw in south texas in el paso what the camps looked like at the time. and these were for children unaccompanied. unaccompanied minors. you, i believe also saw the caged children in other camps. talk about what those camps would look like and what the actual rounding up, from your just reporting on this would look like. >> i'll never forget it.

june 13th, 2018 i went into the 250,000 square foot former walmart they turned into a shelter where they held over 1,000 boys, 10 to 17 only there because they were separated from their moms and their dads because the trump administration wanted to harm them or to hurt them to scare other people from coming. on father's day, june 18th, 2018, i went into ursala, the central processing center in texas, kids locked up in cages, under those blankets, supervised by security contractors in a watchtower while they were caged for the same exact weekend. and i remember june 24th, we reported together as you stood there with the wind blowing as those children were moved to that facility because they were out of space at other facilities and other locations around the country. the trump administration has said exactly what they want to do. you brought it up in your introduction. they want to institute the largest mass deportation in the history of our country, which is family separation by another name is why i wanted to be on with you, joy, to talk about this right now. the film is out in because we

want this to be a topic that the candidates can not afford to avoid. both republican and democratic because democratic immigration policy has moved to the right. it's not family separation policy but certainly it has. we want this a topic that candidates can't afford to avoid and what might happen in both administrations as far as immigration policy and certainly the trump administration has made it very, very clear. >> and by the way, you -- i will never forget you being at on the floor of the rnc as people smiled and waved mass deportation signs. this has become something that i think is -- people anesthetized to it. it sounds like going to camp. the soccer field i saw they just freshly laid it down to try to make it look like the kids were getting playing soccer and these kids were terrified kicking indoors and dragging people to a camp and our government knows how to build them because we've seen them. >> jonathan white says in the film, this can happen again.

nothing has been done to prevent it from happening again. the biden administration said, president biden said that this was criminal and that final presidential debate with our colleague kristen welker back in 2020. merrick garland said he can't imagine anything more shameful than the separation policy. nobody has been held accountable and the steps to stop this from happening again have not been taken. that's why i wanted to make this film. >> everyone should see this film before election day if you have not voted yet, you need to understand what mass deportation would look like and mean and what it meant before when little kids were taken from their moms and dads. screaming. and some of them, at least 1,000 are still orphans to this day. jacob soboroff, congratulations on the film. everyone needs to see it. thank you very when we come back, our election special that is on later tonight, stay right there. on lr tonight, stay right there.

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. you know who is nasty to me michelle obama. oohhh. i always tried to be so nice and respectful. oh, she opened up a little bit of a, a little bit of a box. she opened up a little bit of

something. she was nasty. oh. shouldn't be that way. that was a big mistake she made. >> no, no, it is you donald making a mistake. attacking one of the popular figures, former first lady michelle obama. we know that is his style. my friend and colleague alex wagner and i are going to talk about that and other issues that effect women the most in our special "your power your vote" tonight at 9:00 p.m. i am bum rushing your time slot to hang out with you. >> i am so thrilled we will be able to talk about this and play clips of michelle obama not opening up a box but making one of the most convincing, grounded, just emotionally sophisticated arguments against trumpism and for harris that i have seen in american politics. i feel, i often feel the

opposite of trump but on that point in particular i think she might be harris most effective surrogate. >> she uses her voice in a very limited way. you don't see her out there doing stuff. when she does use it, in a lot of ways i don't know, the husband is pretty amazing but she has a special power to her voice. for him to attack her seems politically stupid. she is revered by women even who do not agree with her politically. these kind of attacks don't help him grow his base or win elections. he is just a sociopath. >> how much do you think it will impact the election? we are seeing a lot of women voting, there is a huge gender gap >> there is a massive gender gap. how can there not be. patriarch on steroids and democracy on the other. you know, it is, it is still, i think, galls me this election is this close. having no idea what will happen given what accept brats the two

parties. trump's -- separates the two parties. trump's end, garbage truck earlier, i mean, a lot of things you can say about him driving a garbage truck we will save that for the 9:00 hour. >> yes. >> it also awakens me to phenomenal in american culture. the amount of male wage that has been unattended to, i guess, people of color trying to gain basic civil rights and trying to create more representative democracy. man, are there some men that are pitszed about that and he harnessed that. >> men, angry they are losing place, power, they are losing the model that they once were. but also women who said wait a minute, how is it that i have to claw my way to the c suites

have 8 degrees, phd and then i have to compete with this smuck. his first job in politics was president of the united states. what are he and j.d. vance qualifications to be in the offices? none, just white dudes. she is like i am a prosecutor, i am a san francisco -- whatever, all of these jobs and vice president and people still going i am not sure. i need more. >> michelle obama talked about that. we ask so much of harris. setting politics aside. she has such a record. so thorough in her argument and trump offered nothing. grievance, rage and lose command of information. the scrutiny is on her. i think in sort of establishing that dichotomy michelle ob ama

-- michelle obama can see the differences. even if she is not a democrat. that is why it is a winning message. you look at that and put the gender gap back up again. 43% between non-college men versus college women. they are the ones that experience that in the workplace. they are the maddest, angriest, undercover story how angry particularly college educated women are, loss of roe and just having this woman who they see as a role model questioned in this way. i don't know, people are undercounting it. >> i talked to a senior harris strategist if we make a headway it is women. >> and puerto ricans. >> be sure to join us an hour from now, your power, your vote. focusing on issues that matter the most. that