smart or not. i think they're cancelling stuff. trump is looking like he is not exactly sprinting to the finish line here. they're probably managing his schedule and probably limiting his flight time a little bit. >> he was wobbly on his feet yesterday. certainly with the rallies in blue states, a chance to have a rally in front of people who haven't seen him before, draw a bigger crowd, other than places he's been over and over again. mark leibovich, thank you very much. we appreciate it. thank you for getting up "way too early" with us on this thursday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. you can't lead america if you don't love americans. it's true. the most corrupt, horrible people. these are horrible people. oops, we should get along with everybody. they're horrible people. he's the worst president in the history of the usa. obama was a great divider. he was a great, great divider.

kamala harris, a very low iq individual. so this guy, david muir, you know, pretty boy, he goes, ah -- i don't think he is that good looking anymore. time does that. time does that. she would get us into a third world war. look at that general. he's a real general, not like milley. not like milley. not like kelly. he's a low iq guy. they're incompetent people. kamala is a radical left marxist, rated worse than crazy bernie sanders or pocahontas. she doesn't have the intellect, the stamina, or the special quality that real leaders, people like brett favre have. they're grossly incompetent people, and they have destroyed our country. donald trump wants to put us in jail. donald trump is going to go after some of the scum that you see back there.

that you see back there, that's so dishonest. and you can't be president if you hate the american people. there's a lot of hatred. >> there is a lot of hatred, mika. a lot of hatred coming from him. that's donald trump. what does john heilemann say? it is either projection or confession. >> you got it. >> i had to write this down. >> yeah. >> after saying you can't run america unless you love america. people that oppose him are corrupt, horrible people. joe biden, the worst president. by the way, "the wall street journal" today says whoever is elected president inherits a fantastic economy. calls kamala harris low iq despite the fact she just completely lapped him in the debate. he couldn't even do "60 minutes." obama, great divider.

he talks about milley not being a real general. general mark milley, one of the highest decorated soldiers of this generation. >> yeah. >> chief of staff, general kelly, also says he is low iq. called his opponent a marxist. called a senator pocahontas. talked about how grossly incompetent people were. for good measure, called the press that were there in a hostile environment scum. there you go. the hypocrisy, mika, over a misstatement by joe biden, which he quickly corrected, is so laughable. because this guy does this every day. then you turn on fox news. oh, how could anybody do this? i've never seen this before. >> yeah.

>> despite one of the people saying on fox news, stood by while donald trump watched violence erupt on january 6th and kept allowing violence to erupt on january 6th. said the people that were beating the hell out of cops were patriots. yes, yes, yes, willie, the gaslighting never ends. they really do think that their voters are that stupid. it makes me sad for those voters that donald trump and people on tv on other channels really think americans are that dumb. >> yeah, and let's not forget, donald trump has spent the last couple weeks calling the entire country a garbage can, his words. >> yeah. >> he initiated the garbage talk. yeah, you're right, i mean, going through the litany of insults that he offered yesterday, the truth is, the audience he's talking to lives in a media ecosystem and a media

bubble where that all made sense to them. it is kamala harris. it is joe biden who have disdain for the country, who have ruined the country. donald trump calls us a third world country. to quote -- well, to paraphrase pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, please stop s-talking america. why does he put down america at every opportunity and every turn? he has to create a parallel fantasy universe where america lies in ruins and he can ride in and save the country. as you said, the economy is at historic highs. it is objectiveness undeniable that things are going extremely well. inflation still needs to come down more. we know that. but he has to create a fantasy world, mika, that does not exist. he's talking about a world and an america that does not exist so that he can be the savior. >> well, let me read. this is from rupert murdoch's "wall street journal," which has bent over backwards, especially the editorial page, bent over backwards to do everything they can to grant a permission

structure to voters so they can vote for a guy that is trashing america. >> mm-hmm. >> of course, tried to overthrow the last presidential election. good luck there. i hope it works for you, guys. whatever you're doing. this is the headline in the "wall street journal" today, "the next president inherits a remarkable economy." i've never seen a headline like that. i've never seen a headline. as we've been saying here every day while donald trump has been trashing america, talking about how great america's economy is, how strong america's economy is, donald trump goes around trashing it. but i've never seen a headline like that. the next president inherits, quote, a remarkable economy. the envy of the world, we've heard time and time again. so, yeah, that's what kamala harris is riding into this election with at her back.

a remarkable economy. i want to also get to, a little later on, but we have some business to do first. about the fact that it's so interesting over the past couple days, i've been hearing on the ground in pennsylvania things, who knows, sounds like they're going pretty well for the harris campaign. you won't really hear that from the harris campaign, but they keep their head down. right when you start hearing that from reporters, right when you start hearing that from people on the ground, donald trump starts talking about pennsylvania votes being stolen. is this transparent or what? if he talks about a state and there's voting problems in that state, you know things are going sideways in that state for him.

fascinating there. but, mika, today is halloween. but last night, new york city, an event that i know the whole world, even if they weren't watching, was focused on last night. that was, of course, at carnegie hall, you interviewing hillary clinton. tell us about it. >> i thought you were going to say yankees/dodgers. i'm impressed. >> i'm talking about the big event. we'll get to that. you talked to hillary clinton last night. you know, eight years after the comey letter. >> right. >> tell me. i know we'll play clips, but what were the takeaways? >> we have great clips coming up showing this event, but hillary clinton was greeted by a packed house at carnegie hall, that just exploded with support when she walked on the stage. we talked about kamala harris' campaign and how it is going, how she's doing. we're going to show you later, because she was secretary of state, her thoughts on what

happens to america's foreign policy if trump were to win this election. we also talked about this moment in time, looking back eight years ago today. the comey letter had just broke. the campaign still looked good. what happened in the final hours. a really interesting conversation on her -- the research she had done about radicalization, about how somebody becomes a white nationalist. she actually spent some time in her book telling the story of the time she spent with a woman who was a white supremacist, had hurt people, had actively taken part in these groups, and talked about the immersion process into situations like this and the immersion process out, and how slow it is. also, joe, how it really parallels with what we're seeing today. i'll end with, if you think, oh, come on, what do you mean what

we're seeing today? eight year ago, we would have never imagined the rally at madison square garden, the hate rally that took place. >> right. >> we would have never imagined something like that. yet, here we are. it was a real wake-up moment. i feel everybody left carnegie hall last night wanting to call someone and wake them up. >> yeah, i heard nothing but just incredible raves. we're going to show more clips of that. listen, for parents at home and those with children, also for those who are aspiring producers, i want to give you three bits of wisdom this morning. number one, this is not from the teleprompter. friends, i'm reading this straight from my heart. you're doing things you don't want to do. >> oh dear. >> if you have a child, don't let them play with knives. that's a bad thing. if you have a teenage boy, in the words of the great p.j. o'rourke -- write this down, willie, and write it on your

heart -- do not hand them at the same time a bottle of whiskey and car keys to the family station wagon. don't do that. number three, and i think this is the most important thing, if you ever find yourself in a position where you are a sound engineer or a producer of a morning show, do not let jonathan lemire talk after a game like last night. >> no. >> if we could cut jonathan lemire's mic and go straight to willie. >> why just jonathan? >> it is not going to be good. we'll let mike, because he is -- >> he's the elder statesman. >> it's the game of baseball. >> yeah. >> willie, even i felt your pain last night in what has to be remembered, not only in yankees' history but world series history, as a really, really bizarre fifth inning, that actually ended -- i mean, the final -- well, aaron judge drops the ball that any kid in little

legal could have caught. i'm still trying to figure out what he was doing. here it is. >> yeah. >> you just don't miss this. you don't miss this. i don't remember seeing a player miss something like that. kiké hernandez, obviously, alert to get him to second. we don't have to show it a thousand times. one time would suffice. okay, stop it. we have an executive producer that -- >> simmer. >> i have to say, willie, that was really bad. the one that made you think, man, inexplicable, was when gerrit cole, who was pitching an incredible game, a no-hitter going into the fifth inning, didn't cover first base. that's something you teach kids when they're 7, 8 years old. >> yeah, i mean, this was a slow roller. he assumed rizzo was going to field it and step on first, but had a little spin on it. rizzo stepped back. cole didn't cover. you're right, joe, yankees had

everything going. they felt good after the game one win. judge hits a home one in the first. okay, we have judge back, here we go. cole is pitching great, as you said. a no-hitter through four innings. in the fifth inning that will live in yankee infamy forever, changed it all. three errors in the inning, including the judge drop. what happened, kiké hernandez was off the bag, went halfway, not quite halfway, and i think judge thought he could double him on first. before he squeezed it, he looked to his left to see if he could throw to first base. that opened the floodgates. dodgers scored five runs. freddie freeman, gosh, doing it again. >> goes. >> two-run single. he's the world series mvp. it unravelled. dodgers won 7-6. i don't want to say they're taking it hard in new york, joe, but here's the back page of "the new york post," saying simply, "end of the world." >> oh!

geez, my gosh. >> in fact, we have an eyewitness to this tragedy last night. >> yeah. >> jon meacham is here with us. >> yeah. >> jon, it felt good for four innings, and suddenly it all left us. >> it was amazing. it was really kind of a greek drama, willie. it was comedy. it was heading toward victory. it was redemption. then tragedy struck. >> yes, it did. >> really, i was there with my son who i like to think got this from the ambient atmosphere in the meacham household, analogizes it to the "titanic." my work is done. >> there is always an analogy. >> genuinely gasps with judge. people thought we'd, like, gone into a time warp. cole didn't cover. >> yeah, bizarre. >> yeah, it really is so strange. mike, you know, going into this fifth inning, just to let people

know how paranoid red sox fans always are about the yankees, i started looking ahead. i was like, okay, wait a second, they're going to win this game. it's 3-2. suddenly, i start thinking, because your boys, the barnicle boys, put together this extraordinary documentary. i started thinking in my head, the yankees will get the final lap. they're going to come back while we're celebrating what happened 20 years ago. but the way they were playing, and the fact that aaron judge at the plate was starting to see the baseball -- >> yeah. >> i mean, if he'd caught that ball, this is actually a series where judge had actually -- you saw him correct himself over last night and the night before. you were like, okay, judge is here to play. with judge and stanton playing, these dodgers, they could have their backs pushed against the wall. i really thought that was going

to happen, looked like it was going to happen. the strangest fifth inning, the strangest inning i think i've seen in world series history. >> well, you know, joe, i only have so much space in my heart for things like this. but i have to tell you, jon, willie, welcome to the land of if only. that's in my zip code. it was my zip code for many, many years, until 2004. last night's game was a tribute to a lot of things. it was a tribute to baseball, first of all, because it was a magnificent season, magnificent fall season. but the idea of the yankees losing that way, with one inning, one inning collapse, was the epitome of baseball. i mean, i almost shut it off when it was 5-0 in the third inning. i almost turned and watched "chicago pd" at 10:00.

[ laughter ] >> right here on nbc. >> yeah, to get my mind off of it. but i didn't. while i certainly feel for you to a certain level, it brought back a memory of 2003 to me. you just mentioned your son. i then had a young 10-year-old tim barnicle sitting next to me. his brother, colin, and nick were next to him. aaron boone hit the home run that crushed a whole bunch of people, certainly ended the red sox season. colin reached over and tugged on my sleeve and looked me in the eye and said, "dad" -- we were all standing -- "dad, you better take care of tim." i looked down and saw 10-year-old tim barnicle, tears as big as hubcaps in his eyes.

first thing that raced across my mind was, what have i done? i've passed this on to my sons. >> yeah. >> so i feel for you to a certain extent. but mookie betts won the world series. >> all right. i'm putting an end to this. >> talking about the yankees failing, but let's not take anything away from the dodgers. the better team won the world series this year. >> yeah. >> incredible lineup, pitched great early in the series. they deserved to win. it hurts, but congratulations to the dodgers. >> really cut jonathan lemire's mic off? >> i'll cut your mic off. >> jonathan, what did you think of the series? >> what -- >> i'm sorry? >> you can do it. >> oh, his mic is cut. that's a shame. mika, take us to news. >> what we're going to do, because you have -- >> wow. >> -- the bed here. >> little rough. >> let's start talking, honey.

>> we'll take a 90-second break. >> what? >> we'll cover donald trump. also, donald trump says he is the protector of women and keeps saying this. sick trope. we have an update on what life is like for women in america under trump's abortion bans. we'll kind of spell out exactly what he means by protector in 90 seconds. steve: i am a former commander of a u.s. army small arms training company, and i take the responsibility

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welcome back. during his rally in wisconsin last night, donald trump admitted his advisors have told him to stop saying that he will protect women. it's probably good advice, given the reality now. it's a line he has been using frequently on the campaign trail, as polls show he's trailing vice president harris by large margins with women. last night, he went a step further with his protector comments while explaining why his advisors don't want him to make those comments. >> my people told me about four weeks ago, i would say, no, i want to protect the people, protect the women of our country. i want to protect the women. sir, please don't say that. why? they said, we think it's very inappropriate for you to say. i said, why? i'm president. i want to protect the women of our country. they said -- [ applause ]

they said, sir, it's inappropriate to say. i pay these guys a lot of money. can you believe it? i said, well, i'm going to do it, whether the women like it or not. i'm going to protect them. i'm going to protect them from migrants coming in. i'm going to protect them from foreign countries that want to hit us with missiles and lots of other things. >> whether women like it or not. that's great. trump says he'll protect women, okay. he has a long history that suggests otherwise. >> i have to use tic tacs in case i start kissing her. i'm automatically attracted to women. it's like a magnet. when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. [ laughter ] >> do anything. >> you say -- and, again, this has become famous -- in this

video, "i just kiss them. it's like a magnet. just kiss, i don't even wait. when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. grab them by the [ bleep ]. you can do anything." that's what you said, correct? >> historically, that's true with stars. >> true with stars, that they can grab women by the [ bleep ]? >> well, that's what -- if you look over the last million years, i guess that's been largely true. not always, but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. >> you consider yourself to be a star? >> i think you can say that, yeah. >> you're running for president of the united states. she's an executive of the united states. do you believe in punishment for abortion as a principle, yes or no? >> there has to be some punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah, some form. >> ten years or -- >> i don't know. >> why not? you have positions on everything else. >> i do. it is a very complicated

position. >> for 54 years, they were trying to get roe v. wade terminated, and i did it. i'm proud to have done it. [ applause ] they wanted to get it back, right? you i don't wouldn't be -- there would be no question. nobody else was getting that done by me. we did it. we did something that was a miracle. when i walked onto the stage today, a gentleman in the back, probably works for fox, nice guy, said -- >> well, the abortion bans due to donald trump are certainly punishment for women. i've been bringing the stories here throughout the past two weeks, of many women, many women who are just examples of many more women having reproductive emergencies or emergencies with their reproductive organs, whether pregnant or not, who are not getting the health care they need. the stories are gruesome. they're dreadful. they're a horror that nobody should have to endure. i have to tell them because it's happening now, it's happening

now. this is a lot of the reason why women probably will be the bee beacon of this election and turn out in record numbers. i've told the stories of women who have been sterilized, who have died, who had to prove they were dying enough. now, we have another story thanks to the reporting at pro publica. this woman here, she was so excited to be having another baby. she is now one of two texas women on record who died after doctors delayed her emergency care. it's important to say exactly how this happened. she was 17 weeks pregnant. she went to the hospital because a miscarriage was in progress. according to hospital records, the fetus was on the verge of coming out. and the moment medical care should have been administered, which was that moment, and the

reason why they would need the medical care is that they would need to speed up the delivery and empty her uterus because that would save her life at this point. the baby was completely unviable. it was a miscarriage. they needed to save her. and if you take the measures and do the health care that helps empty the uterus, that then prevents her from getting an infection and dying. she told her husband when he rushed to her bedside, "they had to wait until there was no heartbeat." her husband pro publica, they told him it would have been a crime to give her the care that she needed. it would have been a crime to save her life. donald trump is the protector of women? because his bans just killed

another woman. she suffered for 40 hours in agony while her uterus remained exposed to bacteria, and three days later, this young mother, who was so excited about bringing another life into this world, was dead. so, joe, that is just yet another story, and there will be many, many, many more, of life in america, trump's life in america for women. so when you look at him as the protector, just keep that in mind. i'm not sure what he is talking about. it's kind of some sick -- >> he's protecting himself. >> -- distorted, fascist way. >> no, he is protecting himself. the only reason why he is saying such a preposterous thing is because he is doing so poorly in the polls with women.

he's also saying early voting is showing women in key states are outvoting men. he understands this is a problem. he's understood this was going to be a problem for a very long time. that's why he's gone back and forth, back and forth on this issue. he's made the mistake of bragging about terminating roe v. wade. he's dragbragged about being th person that terminated 50 years of constitutional protections for women's health care. in this case, you have this woman dying just in a gruesome way, a woman who was having a miscarriage, dying in a gruesome way, that's what donald trump's pro-life america looks like. it really is. you look at what happened with the other story we heard the other day, about the woman who had to deliver a baby that the doctor said would die, would

suffer for 90 minutes. >> the baby had potter syndrome. >> potter syndrome. the woman had to deliver a baby, and then watch the poor baby suffocate for 90 minutes, blue in her arms. that's what donald trump's america looks like. that's what the face of pro-life in 2024 looks like. and these stories are happening everywhere. they're happening because of extreme abortion bans in texas. they're happening because of extreme abortion bans in florida. they're happening because of extreme abortion bans across america. you know, every year, we hear lies from the trump right. we, of course -- i think the biggest lie this year on an issue has to do with the transgender prison policy, where they ran 30,000 ads on nfl games, attacking kamala harris.

>> yeah. >> for actually supporting what was donald trump's policy. >> yeah. >> to have federal taxpayers pay for transgender surgery. that was preposterous. but, also, equally preposterous is the fact that donald trump is now running around, jonathan lemire, saying that he is the protector of women. it's just the opposite. he is the protector of himself. he cares about himself. he cares about his electoral viability. he does not care about a mother, a grieving family, and a health care emergency, catastrophe, that doctors can't even care for the patient. i've got to say, this does run to the politicians. i do wonder, what doctor stands by and watches a woman die on an

emergency room table? because the other lie i was going to get to is this lie we always hear, "oh, doctors can kill live babies in the ninth month." it's never happened. it's a lie that the right spreads. let me tell you what is happening, and it is happening far too often. young women, women with children, women with families have been left to die on operating tables because of the extreme, extreme abortion policies that donald trump made possible. and i want to know, jonathan, how much does the trump campaign, for all their bravado, claiming they're 80 points ahead when, actually, they're panicked and starting the lie about voting in pennsylvania, how much do they fear women going out and voting this year? >> since the dobbs decision, abortion rights has been basically undefeated at the

ballot. democrats winning even in some very red places. we know how well they did in the 2022 midterms, as well. from the first moments of this campaign, which you'll recall trump launched just days after the mid terms, november 2022, against the advice of many republicans, but he wanted to get out ahead of the criminal proceedings coming. from the first moments of the campaign, advisors were deeply worried about how abortion would play. trump tried to distance himself for a while. hicly that women don't care about the issue anymore. he talked about his justices that made the decision to overturn roe v. wade. this has worried his advisors throughout. they can see the gender gap. yes, trump is doing better than harris among men. harris is winning with women and by a bigger margin, particularly in these early voting states.

we've talked, joe, on and offline about how it's hard to really read into the early voting totals. we don't know if simply republicans are cannibalizing their day of votes by having them come early. this year, for once, the gop pushed the early voting. i'm with you, i've also heard in the last couple of days, a quiet, and i'll stress, quiet confidence coming out of the harris campaign. they feel better about where they are, joe and mika, particularly in those three blue wall states, particularly because they're not seeing low propensity voters turn out for trump, and they are seeing women turn out for harris. >> if i could add to that, the women narrative we're following to see if it plays out in the election, the one thing that has been hopeful in covering all of these stories that have been really just unbearable, unspeakable, what has happened to women in america due to donald trump. i often have a table of women

telling their stories, who are talking about why they care so much about this election. often, i've also shown these videos, these real-life stories, these real-life consequences to a table of men here with my brothers on "morning joe." with willie by my side. eddie, you were here friday. i've seen you cry. i've seen you cry. and i've seen every man at the table flinch when i tell these stories. because you love your wives. you love your daughters. and you can't believe that this is the reality, the health care reality that they are now existing in. so i do believe, willie, that this isn't just a women's issue. i think men may be the beacon on this, as well. >> yeah. a policy paper or a cross tab in a poll cannot get at the humanity of these stories. like the one you just told. >> right. >> like the ones that were so determinative and influential two years ago, of young teenage

girls being raped and delivering the baby. those stories make it real for people who haven't experienced it themselves. >> there's so many now. >> eddie, one of the other things you hear from the harris campaign is when you look at the early voting, don't look just at the registration. in other words, you might see a lot of republicans have voted. they really believe, because of what mika just gave voice to, because of the stories we're hearing, that many of those may be republican women not voting for donald trump. they may be a registered republican but they're voting for kamala harris because of issues we're hearing about here. >> i pray it is true. i pray it is true so we don't have any more of the stories. my heart goes out to the family, to the baby who won't grow up with her mother. to the husband who no longer has the woman he loves in his life. i pray it's true. two quick things. one, it is bad theology. it's really bad theologypolitic.

and the last thing, there is a connection between patriarchy and the call for protection and the denying of women autonomy. so when he says, "i'm your protector," it is actually consistent with his attack on roe v. wade. because women aren't agents themselves, determining agents, and can't make decisions by themselves. they need protection because they are denied autonomy. we need to see the relationship between his declaration that he will protect women. >> yeah. >> the dobbs decision and the horror we just saw. >> right. >> eddie, donald trump says, after we play the "access hollywood" tape, donald trump says last night, i'm going to be their protector. something along the lines of, i don't care whether they like it or not. >> yeah. >> wow, that's a threat. >> that's it, joe. coming up, hundreds of

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beautiful live picture of lower manhattan. 6:41 on this thursday morning. a group of more than 400 historians is endorsing vice president kamala harris this morning. historians for harris writes in a statement, "since 1789, the nation prospects under a constitution dedicated to securing the general welfare, under a national government bound by the rule of law in which no one interest or person holds absolute power. 1860, an elite interest dedicated to human slavery attempted to shatter the union. rather than acede to the constitutional rule of law by accepting the outcome of the election, plunging the nation

into civil war. we believe based on the study of the past, the nation stands at an unprecedented, historical as well as political crossroads. it hangs the fate of the spirit and the letter of the constitution. we appeal to our fellow citizens, conservative, independent, or liberal, regardless of party affiliation, to vote for kamala harris and tim walz." joining us now, professioner of history at princeton university, sean willen, as well as eddie glaude jr. and jon meacham. make the constitutional case for kamala harris. >> it's supra. i voted for presidential candidates of both parties. to me, this is a clear application of reason and justice, that one candidate

represents a journey toward a more perfect union under the rule of law, and the other, if you take him at his word, if you listen to what he says and see what happened after the 2020 election, that candidate is not devoted to the america that can, in fact, become that more perfect professor, for you, why the stakes so high here? >> the key is the constitution. it's makes it above partisanship. look, every election we've had so far, in my lifetime, both parties have respected the basic constitutional rule of law. that's certainly not the case now. so the constitution is deeply important. we've had moments in american history where crises have happened. the largest being in 1860 where a group of people dedicated to slavery decided, rather than to accept the outcome of a presidential election, that they were going to dissolve the

union. this is not unlike that. we are at that kind of moment right now. you know, we have one candidate who has already tried to overthrow the outcome of a constitutionally dictated election, has already tried to do that, and more or less said he'd try again. that right away should put you -- you know, should alarm you. apart from that, the contempt that he and his supporters show for the constitution and for the rule of law has been throughout his presidency and post presidency. as jon said, it's a clear choice we have here between some group of people who would rather, you know, dissolve the constitution, really, he has said so, he'd happily do so for the sake of himself and his friends. >> he expresses admiration for people like vladimir putin, kim

jong-un, dictators. we don't have to wonder about this, as your princeton colleague points out. this isn't a theoretical exercise, like 2016, "oh, he's saying these things. he's not going to do them." we watched him try to overturn the outcome of the last election, and he's gone further in the last couple years, saying exactly what he wants to do if he gets power. >> the analogy to 1860 is really important for me. the background conditions for trying to struggle to make the country live up to its promise, it's being challenged. what are the conditions under which i can struggle, that we can struggle to make america live up to these ideals, to make it a genuinely multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-cultural democracy? well, donald trump wants to undermine the background conditions for the argument to be made. it's on that basis, right, on that basis that i join with all of these historians to make the argument. we have to vote. no matter if you are progressive, conservative,

democrat or -- no, you believe in the background conditions for us to have the struggle, to have to have the argument, you have to vote for kamala harris and tim walz. >> and it is -- it has nothing to do with partisanship. i'm a conservative. you know, part of the only congress that balanced the budget four years in a row in a century. liz cheney, a conservative's conservative. both of us have 95% lifetime acu ratings. this isn't even a close call. we want to survive until the next election, and we want leaders that respect the madisonian democracy, checks and balances, respect nato leaders, and don't throw their respect behind communist tyrants like donald trump does. you know, jon, you and i have been a bit concerned throughout the election that -- they use the justification of voting for donald trump this time and are saying, well, you know, he was

president four years before and he didn't try to jail anybody. he didn't try to jail hillary clinton. i mean, we don't need to go back to 1860. we can look what happened in 2017 and '18. donald trump did try to jail hillary clinton. ordered jeff sessions to arrest her. >> we talked about that. >> said there was nothing there. ordered barr to arrest her. barr, his next attorney general, said, there's nothing there to arrest her over. two weeks before the 2020 election, he ordered barr privately and publicly to arrest joe biden and joe biden's family. again, he had pushback then. he will not have that pushback now, will he? >> no, he won't. that brings up a hugely important point here. we've discussed the rule of law. we've discussed the letter and spirit of the constitution. the spirit of the constitution, which also goes to the

centrality of character in making american democracy work. it's about individual character of the leaders but also of the led. mike pence after the election, the folks you mentioned, they may not be perfect, no one is, but in an hour of maximum danger, they had the character to say, no, we're going to follow the spirit of the constitution. >> i think, professor, a lot of people are banking on our democracy being so strong because we're america. can you speak to the fragility of any democracy, including this one? >> every democracy. look, we're in a -- what seems to be a normal election, but it is not a normal election because the guardrails are already off. they've been off for a long time. democracy depends on trust. democracy spends on honor. democracy spends on character, as jon said. that is what is at stake here. the constitution itself as the framers of the constitution said. a republic if you can keep it.

there's no guarantee in our institutions. our institutions are human institutions. human -- if men were angels, we'd need no government. well, we're not all angels. we need a government that can be a strong democracy, but it depends on who we are. >> it's very hard to get that to be comprehended by people who are busy working, tapping into these elections now. how could that -- you know, how could that really affect me? >> yes. >> actually, everybody is affected. freedom is not for free. even if you're a republican and you back trump, your guarantee of not being a target of his threats will be gone. i mean, it's a whole different ball game if he wins. >> absolutely. >> professor of american history at princeton university, sean willentz, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. presidential historian jon meacham, thank you, as well, as always. still ahead on "morning

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'72, '73? what am i, a deejay? i don't think so. >> cklw. >> windsor, canada. anyway, willie, this is the time of morning, as you know, that young kids all over the fruited plains, all over america from coast to coast, they grab their steve rattner themed cabbage patch dolls. >> i love mine. >> run down the stairs, turn on the tv set, and they sit in front of it. they want to see uncle steve, as they call him. uncle steve and his charts. what he's talking about today is on the top banner headline of the "wall street journal." the u.s. economy extends growth streak. the next president inherits, which is the headline, quote, a remarkable economy. let me read the first two paragraphs. whoever takes the white house, there will be no shortage of challenges. at least one huge asset, an economy that is putting its peers to shame.

with another solid performance in the third quarter, the u.s. has grown 2.7% over the past year. it is outrunning every other major developed economy, not to mention its own historical growth rate. willie, "the wall street journal" concludes, this is not happening by magic. it's not happening because of government intervention. it's happening because american people and american businesses are more productive today than ever before. >> absolutely. it's the front page of the "wall street journal." u.s. economy extends growth streak. growth 2.8%, pushing up against the 3% number. we'll get an inflation number today. the jobs number tomorrow, all just days ahead of the election. that doesn't even count in, joe, the mothers and the fathers fighting each other in the halls of toys "r" us, trying to get the steve rattner cabbage patch doll. ugly scene, but it is where we are as a nation.

>> it's so cute. >> fistfights in the aisles. let's get to steve rattner with charts breaking down the surging american economy. former treasury's steve rattner. >> rattner. >> let's dive into the charts. the u.s. economic growth leading the world. we heard it from economist after economist. many republicans conceding that the american economy is the envy of the world. >> i've been called a lot of things. matinee idol is a new one. i'll put it on my blackboard at home. so flattered. cabbage patch dolls, it caused the economy to go up 8%. anyway, we'll compare the u.s. to the other major econoies of the world. 1980, the growth rates weren't all that different. 2000 period, we took off. we left them in the dust. we've continued to leave them in

the dust. in fact, the imf last week came out with new projections that show our growth is going to accelerate even more relative to the other countries. since we are going to have an election next week, let me do a scorecard here on the last two presidents. donald trump thinks this economy is in the toilet. in fact, under joe biden, it grew faster than it did under donald trump. 3.1% average gdp growth under biden. 2.8% under trump. this corrects for all the covid things. these are straight down the middle of the fairway numbers. you can see that growth, in fact, has turned into a much stronger economic performance for average americans. gdp per capita is a way to think about standard of living. not perfect measure, but it is structurally right. you see we generate $74,000 of gdp per person. that has doubled over this period of time. then you can -- and no other country has come close to that. $54,000, $46,000.

from 1983 to 2023, we doubled this. we are again, as you said earlier, the envy of the world when it comes to the standard of living that americans have. >> steve, there's something for everything in your charts. including billionaires who need to take note. for some reason, they think trump's the answer, which is laughable. but there's also something here in your next chart for hard working americans looking for a break because they're dealing with inflation. inflation numbers and unemployment numbers, how are they looking? >> yeah, look, we had inflation. nobody can escape that fact. let's put that in perspective, as well. our inflation was, in fact, less than inflation that occurred in the eu and in the united kingdom. we didn't get nearly as far up as they did. we've all come back down now. our inflation is just around the fed's 2% target. also in line with the other countries. our inflation has become, well, controlled. because of our strong growth, we have a much different unemployment picture than the eu

has. we have 3.7%, had 3.7% average unemployment in 2023. not far off from the uk. look at the uk at 6.7%. if you're looking for a job, would you rather be looking for a job in the united states? would you rather be looking for a job in europe? >> then your last chart, steve, is looking at what is fueling the u.s. economy. >> yeah, a good part of what accounts for all the growth i showed you a little while ago is the enormous investment that's been coming into the u.s. the u.s. is considered the most attractive country, major country in the world, to invest in. you can see, again, that our investment pace kind of tracked the eu ahead of the uk and japan, but tracked the eu for a long time. we took off and went in our own direction. again, the projections show we're going to continue to outstrip europe and the rest of the world in terms of investment growth. let's do the scorecard here. biden, 9.4%, average annual

investment growth over his term. trump, 3.9%. when trump says he is the president that brings back investment, brings back jobs, he's wrong. it was the things that were passed in the biden administration. the bipartisan infrastructure bill, the chips act, inflation reduction bill, legislation that brought the market back. the stock market is roughly up 1% under biden. up 44% under trump. again, it's way outstripped other countries. business may say they have concerns about joe biden or kamala harris, but, in fact, under their administration, they did better as stock market investors than they did under trump. >> "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner, thank you very much for bringing us the facts. we really appreciate it. joining the conversation now at three minutes past the hour, we have msnbc political analyst elise jordan. she is former aide to the george

w. bush white house and state departments. going to be asking you about george w. bush, elise. former msnbc host and contributor to "washington monthly," chris matthews is with us this morning. also with us, msnbc contributor and former long-time aide to hillary clinton, huma abedin. she's also the vice chair of the 30/50 summit. jonathan lemire, mike barnicle, and eddie glaude jr. are still with us, as well. kamala harris held rallies in three different battleground states yesterday, speaking before crowds in north carolina, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. in madison, harris kicked off her event with performances from musicians like mumford and sons and tracey abrams in an effort to appeal to younger voters. earlier when the vice president was in raleigh, she promoted unity and working together. she even gave an example of that

when she was interrupted by a protester. >> as your president, i pledge to seek common ground and common sense solutions to the challenges you face. [ applause ] i am not looking to score political points. i am looking to make progress. i promise, i'll listen to experts, i'll listen to those affected by decisions i make, and people who disagree with me.

and, importantly -- [ chanting kamala ] all right. hey, everybody. okay. you know, see, this is the thing, because we know we're actually fighting for our democracy. [ applause ] and unlike donald trump, i don't believe people who disagree with me are the enemy. [ applause ] he wants to put them in jail. i'll give them a seat at the table. we have an opportunity in this election to turn the page on a decade of donald trump who has been trying to keep us divided and afraid of each other. we know that is who he is. but, north carolina, that is not

who we are. it is not who we are. and it is time for a new chapter where we stop with the pointing fingers at each other. instead, let us lock arms with one another, knowing we have so much more in common than what separates us. >> wow, i'll tell you what, mike barnicle, that is a message america wants to hear right now. you have kamala harris having somebody shout at a rally, a protester. think of all the times that donald trump, when that's happened to him, says, "knock 'em out, send them out on a stretcher. beat them up, and i'll pay for your defense attorney bill," doing all of these things. kamala harris just said, "i don't consider them my enemy. i'm not going to put them on an

enemies' list. i'll put them around the table. we're going to work with people with whom we disagree." i'm telling you, for all that has torn this country apart over the past 20 years, this actually is the anecdote. a president that says, "i'm coming to the center. i'm going to forge consensus. i'm going to work to compromise with those who disagree with me. and those who disagree with me are not my enemy, they're my fellow americans." >> right. >> "their voice needs to be heard, too." mike, i'm not sure when such a fundamentally decent message that could unite all americans, i'm not sure when that became radical, but i will tell you, contrasted to donald trump's language, it's pretty dramatic. it's exactly, i think, what most americans want right now.

compromise, consensus, and a leader who believes we're all in this together. >> joe, you've just outlined one of the great mysteries of this election. not just to me, i think, but to a lot of people. how is it that we are confronted with a choice between a woman, kamala harris, speaking common sense to the american public right now, talking about bringing people together, talking about bringing this country together, which seems to be so divided, running against someone whose language and behavior would be abhorrent to any parent if they thought about his impact on their children. maybe we're not thinking enough about the country and about the country of this country. our children, our grandchildren, in terms of who leads us. who do we want leading us? do we want a good example leading us? not just here in the country but to the world.

or do we want the behavior modelled by donald trump for decades now? eddie, i don't know the answer to why more people don't think about these things when they look and hear him. >> you know, i don't either. there are fears, grievances. there's a sense that folks are losing the country, losing their country. there's a divide between rural and urban. a divide between north and south, northwest and southwest. the divisions that, in ways, are historic, mike. but i'm honestly baffled, and i guess i should say it heightens my sense of anxiety and the anxiety in the country. i think a lot of people in the country don't understand how we got here and why we are still here. seems to me. >> you know, mika, we'd played off the top of the show, after donald trump and people on

another network were seeming shocked at a stray comment joe biden made and then took back, that kamala harris distanced herself from, said that in a speech. attacked that, how could anybody be president if they divide america? then we played what he said yesterday. i just want our viewers to contrast what kamala harris said about a protester, "i want people who disagree with me at the table," talking about consensus, compromise, locking arms together as one nation, e pluribus unum, out of many, one. that's her closing message. i thank god for that closing message because we as a nation need to come together. we need to come together. what did donald trump say yesterday? that the people running against him were corrupt, horrible people. that joe biden was the worst

president ever. that kamala harris was low iq stupid. she beat him in the debate badly. she beat him badly in the debate. humiliated him. he wouldn't even go on "60 minutes" after that. said barack obama was a disaster. called democrats communists. said that mark milley, the man he selected as the chairman of the joint chiefs, who was one of the most highly decorated soldiers of our generation was, quote, not a real general. >> mm-hmm. >> because he didn't support donald trump's overthrowing of the constitution. he talked other democrats marxists. he called a democratic senator pocahontas. he said democrats were grossly incompetent. the cherry on top was when he pointed to members of the press

doing their job, reporting on what he says, there a hostile environment, and called them scum. >> yup. >> that is the difference. that is the choice. it's not really a difficult choice to make. even though there are people doing back flips and trying to justify that. if you believe in madisonian democracy, if you believe in our republic, if you believe in checks and balances, if you believe that actually supporting leaders of nato is more important than supporting the communist leader of china, the communist leader of north carolina, the former communist leader of russia. that's where we are. i thank god that kamala harris is talking about bringing us together and uniting us as a country. >> to all your points, joe, we're going to be reading from the paper's editorial from the "las vegas sun." it questions donald trump's

moral compass. they say he never had one to lead the country. his fascist tendencies. it is blistering. it is honest. they ultimately say he is not fit to serve. the stakes are too high. we'll read from that in a moment, but it really encapsulates everything that donald trump would bring to the table if he were to get another term. chris matthews, i want to go back to kamala harris' message of consensus and of unity that joe was talking about. not only, as joe pointed out, is she laying it out so well compared to donald trump, who is, you know, carnage speaks, garbage can speeches, and retribution and darkness, but it is also true, chris, to her life experience, to her entire professional career and her dreams. she respects people she

disagrees with. she tells the story often on when she was serving as an attorney or prosecutor, protecting the innocent or people who had been victims of crimes. she would never ask somebody that she represents, are you a democrat or are you a republican? the question would be, are you okay? she takes pride in the simple statement she'd say in entering the courtroom or speaking to the judge, "kamala harris for the people." i would add to that, and she's making very clear in her message, all the people. chris. >> you're really talking about her professionalism. the great thing about the campaign came at the ellipse. they had a great crowd, operation, and tremendous turnout of people. look at the speech she gave. go back and read that speech. it was a really professional

statement of, if you want to know what kind of president i'm going to be, listen to me now. i always say to people, when you're an intern on capitol hill, wear a coat and tie and look like you should get paid. if you're a congressman or running for congress, act like a congressman. criticize federal agencies for not doing their job in their district. if you're going to be president, act like the president. ronald reagan knew how to do it when he said to jimmy carter, "there you go again, mr. president." you have to act like the president. i thought she really did act like president when she spoke in that expansive way about america. people who want to seek opportunity in this country can reach it. that all people in this country can get where they want to go. it was a big, expansive statement about america and her own love of it. it really established her as the kind of president we can look at and say, you know, she looks like a president. she's talking like one. she's big. i think that was a wonderful way

to end the campaign. she did it again in the comments we've been playing today, repeated basically from that speech. but the ellipse speech was a presidential speech. compared to trump, and as everything you've been saying all morning, he's not been acting like a president. not at all like any president we've ever known. she is. i think it is so powerful in her interest to admit, you're doing your job, kamala harris. you are acting like the person you want to be as our leader. >> here is that piece mika mentioned from the editorial board of the "las vegas sun." it is titled, "donald trump's cognitive decline becoming a troubling concern." it reads in part this way, "as donald trump continues his bid for a second term in the white house, there is an unsettling and undeniable shift that is leading many experts, observers, and even some trump supporters to conclude that the former president's mental acuity and sharpness are also in decline, that his physical health and

stamina are waning, and his frustration and anger are boiling over. americans from both sides of the political spectrum should be alarmed by trump's words and behavior." the piece goes on, "the nation must confront the fact that beyond his hateful character, he is crippled cog nivty and showing signs of mental illness. for those who believe in a country with checks, balances, and the rule of law, a return to trumpian leadership is dangerous in its own right. to do so with an impaired leader who can't govern competently and a fellow authoritarian waiting in the wings is perilous. donald trump never had the moral compass to lead this country, but even his supporters cannot afford to ignore the signs that he may no longer have the mental faculties to lead it either. the stakes are simply too high." elise jordan, that, of course, a newspaper in the biggest city in

a key battleground state, powerfully laying out the case against donald trump. using some of the arguments that had been used against president biden earlier this year, suggesting when the president was atop the ticket that he was too old, he was in decline. now saying it is about trump but twinning it with the argument that he is also dangerous to hold the office. >> i don't know that his mental faculties have dramatically changed. he's always been pretty unstable. i don't know if i necessarily agree with that part because he's always been unstable. but in terms of the age argument, yes. why did we apply one standard to joe biden and we don't apply it to donald trump? >> yeah. >> he is an old guy. i felt sorry for him struggling with the garbage truck yesterday. >> yeah. >> that's not the donald trump -- >> sean hannity called that iconic. we don't see the same thing. >> it seems like an old man is being pushed beyond what he is really -- >> more so, he's saying things that are extremely dangerous.

that absolutely takes the word democracy out of what it is to be the united states of america. he's called for the imprisonment of journalists. i'm reading from the "las vegas sun." pledged to purge the deep state. he is amplifying tyrannical rhetoric. if this is age or mental illness, let me tell you, this is not new. it is just more. if history taught us anything, it is that democracies are fragile. america's founders, elise, designed the presidency to be a stabilizing force, and i just wonder if your former boss is taking a look at this election. george w. bush, i mean, it'd be great to hear -- hillary clinton even said last night, it'd be great to hear from him right now. >> you know, he has had the standard that he hasn't endorsed, period. he's keeping to that. he is putting his trust in

institutions, which, so far, have worked out for us. you don't know the unintended consequences of what you do until you do it. so i'm just going to say that's his judgment. but i -- you know, i thought that his daughter, barbara bush, her speaking out said a lot about where the bush family and their values are. i think we can let her speak for the family. >> all right. as i said last night, i had the opportunity to interview former secretary of state clin hillary clinton at carnegie hall about her new book. five days out from the election, obviously, there was a lot to talk about in terms of this moment in time. here's what she said about how the world would be affected if trump were to win again. >> i cannot stress strongly enough that a second trump presidency would make the united states weaker, make us more

vulnerable, give our allies and friends around the world a sense of abandonment. that the wars that are currently going on would be very much tilted, particularly in ukraine, in favor of russia. that china would look hard again at taiwan. the national security implications of this election are so profound. when people say to me, what do i think is going to happen, for example, in ukraine, i say, it depends on who we elect as president. >> exactly. >> then think about this. it's not bad enough that putinn a brutal, horrific assault on the ukrainian people, kidnapped thousands of ukrainian children. he's now enlisted 10,000 north

korean soldiers to fight on his behalf. if that doesn't worry anybody with, you know, any understanding of the axis of chaos that russia and iran and china and north korea represent, then you will see the results if we choose wrong in this election. because these dictators are so hoping that trump gets elected. because he is manipulmanipulata is susceptible to flattery, and they know how to play up to him in a way that is good for them and bad for us. >> i thought it was so interesting, as she served as secretary of state, to really -- we haven't talked enough about our foreign policy and our national security if trump were to win.

the catastrophe that that would be for american democracy and nato allies. also, i'm going to talk to huma about the opening question, but i also asked her about reproductive rights. especially since i've been following these stories of what's been happening to women right now and women who are suffering any type of emergency with their reproductive systems. here's what she had to say. >> if trump were to be re-elected, there would be a national abortion ban. if the congress were in republican hands, that would happen with a law. if the congress is not in republican hands, then there are many ways that the federal government can stymie states, like new york, that protect a woman's reproductive rights and freedom, and undermine the care that every woman deserves to have. >> huma, i want to point out

that, last night, you were there with my friend, your son. this was a remarkable night on so many levels. i mean, she was there to talk about her book, of course, but this was carnegie hall, a completely packed house on a wednesday night at 9:00. i was like, why am i even here? i don't go out that late. but the stakes are so high. everybody you felt was in the conversation. i talked to her eight years ago. your campaign was in shock, reeling from the comey letter. election day, feeling so good, looking so good. women hugging each other outside of polling booths. then the unimaginable happening. so it was so interesting to hear, and i'd love for you to share what happened on stage and your insights, eight years ago,

five days -- eight years later, five days away from the election now, what this moment is like. she gave us some guidance, what it was like for hillary clinton. it's been a hard, hard, hard road. >> it has been a hard road, but in true hillary clinton fashion, the book is really about a life well lived in public service. also, a prescription in how you pick up the pieces and move forward when you go through trauma. yes, obviously, those of us who lived in 2016 remember those moments. i didn't believe i would live to see a woman elected president. so to be here eight years later is extraordinary. i have to say. i think one of the biggest differences i feel now is that there was a lot of feeling of complacency. oh, she's got this. in the end, as we saw in the numbers, people did not

necessarily, particularly women, didn't show up because they assumed that she was going to win. also, things we just thought were so crazy that people wouldn't believe, i think people are taking very seriously now. i really commend the harris campaign, pushing back constantly. >> she revealed a lot about trump. it took a while for them to see what she said. >> she revealed a lot about trump. all the things she said, you know, there would be supreme court justices he'll appoint that will overturn roe, those things happened. what he was going to do in ukraine and has done in ukraine, those were all things that anybody -- i mean, i was at the state department. i remembered those days. these were all things he -- >> also, enemy from within. she was able to push back against anybody who thinks he is not serious when he say he'll use the military against his political adversaries. >> absolutely. >> people say, oh, i won't happen because it didn't happen to hillary. >> exactly right. also, as you mentioned, for the

harris campaign, it's about kamala harris for the people. what has driven the last, you know, all the clinton campaigns, but in 2016, it was for our kids. everything in the end was for our kids. we wanted better economy and health care for our kids. the harris campaign has really carried that through. the end of the day, what are we all talking about? a better country, economy, climate for our kids. and reminding people what's at stake. >> yeah. joe, hillary said to the audience, right now, you can have your differences, have your issues, but this election is about democracy. save it so we can have those conversations. >> right. >> well, you know who agrees with hillary, a lot of conservatives that used to be against hillary. >> right. >> they're on her side. they're on america's side. liz cheney, dick cheney, myself, and so many other republicans. it worked.

in the bush administrations, 41 and 43, who worked in the reagan administration, and, most importantly, the people who worked closest to donald trump will be the ones who will tell you first how dangerous a threat to democracy is. you know, chris matthews, on any day, in any election season, i would ask you your read on the ground in pennsylvania. a set of polls that came out yesterday, cnn poll, battleground poll shows how important pennsylvania is fairing right now. the last cnn battleground poll of this cycle is showing harris ahead in michigan by five points. 48% to 43%. ahead in wisconsin by six points, 51% to 45%. despite some positive word on the ground, at least from what jonathan lemire and myself and others have been hearing about gains harris is making in pennsylvania, pennsylvania

deadlocked, 48%, 48%. what's this race going to turn on in the keystone state, chris? >> you know, joe, it's so amazing. as i did last week, go back to the old neighborhood of northeast philadelphia, on the border of bucks county, where the action is. 58th ward voted for trump last night. the south philly voted for trump. irish in the 66th ward voted for trump. it's right on the borderline with bucks county, which is a more of a purple area than some of the other counties. but it's amazing to see. the neighborhood is republican in one house, democrat in the other house. it is very mixed, very mixed. it's not like the polarized world that people live in in the big cities or rural areas. it is very up together with each other. what we're seeing is history, not just news, but history. a woman of color running for president, it's never happened before, never won before. they have to make that judgment. i think the longer this campaign goes on, the more that trump

loves it. it gets back to history, back at the head stuff. history and where you came from stuff. i think they're playing on that. i've been watching the series, the world series. i've been watching the transition and surgery ads during your long-term imprisonment. i've seen the whole thing. there wasn't enough comeback from her. if she wants the law changed, say so. don't say, it's the law. you're running for president. say what you want the law to be. you have to be tougher. >> it's trump's policy. >> i know all that. i know all that. i know the argument. i can make this argument in my sleep. but she has to come out and say, "i disagree with the law. i don't want the law to be that way." that's what presidents do. they say what they think the country should be. i think a lot of times, i keep saying, a little tougher on immigration. a little tougher on these issues of gender and all that. be smarter. but i can't because then i see what trump says about puerto ricans and i go, what are you

talking about? jose ferreira and my friend, gabrielle garrett? are you talking about my friends, hispanic people like that? maybe she was right to be careful about that issue. it's not one way or the other. it's very tricky. i'm telling you, in pennsylvania, it's going to be tough. election night, those rural areas are red hot red. they've gone from the 60s into the 70s, mid 70s. that's 50 some countries. that's got to be offset by philadelphia, which, in the past, when kennedy ran against nixon, carried philadelphia by 330,000 votes to 100,000 vote victory in the state. last time, you had 604,000 votes, plurality in philadelphia, to offset the 80,000 all together. you have a strong roll in philadelphia. you also have chester county. you've got delaware county. you've got bucks county. most importantly, montgomery county. they're all going to help philadelphia win the election. that's what it is going to look

like. this is going to be so close. it's going take all the volunteers from out of town, all the committee men, all the ward leaders. they'll have to do their job. this is not easy. >> right. >> the polls are right. >> all right. chris matthews, thank you very much. huma abedin, thank you, as well. great to have you at the table. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll take a look at the push by democrats to flip north carolina, a state republicans have won in the past three presidential elections. also ahead, we'll get expert legal analysis on the supreme court ruling that will impact thousands of potential voters in one state. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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38 past the hour. welcome back. north carolina is now on track to match or even beat its record high voter turnout from the 2020 election. it's also a state where democrats in one particular county are devoting more resources than ever. nbc news correspondent and co-anchor of "nbc news daily," morgan radford, visited that county and joins us now with more. morgan, north carolina has not gone for the democratic presidential candidate since

2008. so why are party officials so focused on this one area in the state overall? is there a possibility things could be different this time? >> not only a possibility, mika, but a real possibility. the electricity is similar to 2008, but so are the factors. they're calling it a perfect storm. this is a brand-new strategy and creating a new template. the idea, juice the numbers in north carolina's mecklenburg county, and you can flip the state. the question is how. they say you can reach democrats where they are, under their noses, with an unprecedented strategy and unprecedented resources. this is a plan, they say, that's already working. >> how you doing? >> reporter: 58-year-old timothy williams lived here in charlotte, north carolina, his entire life. >> this is the first time you've had volunteers knock on your door this year. >> yeah. >> have they come before in previous election years? >> no. >> reporter: his door, one of more than 280,000 the mecklenburg democratic party says it's knocked on in the last

18 months. >> calling from the kamala harris campaign. how are you today? >> reporter: it's all a push to win the state by going all in on mecklenburg. >> way more outreach to my phone. >> texts and emails. >> reporter: the reason, while mecklenburg has the highest registered voters in the state, it lags voter turnout in a state that hasn't gone blue for the presidency since barack obama in 2008. >> this is a place where we have all the votes needed to flip the state. if we flip the state, if north carolina goes blue for kamala harris, she's the next president of the united states. >> reporter: that's why 27-year-old drew coumer says all eyes on election day will be right here. >> imagine election night. it's steve kornacki. he's on his magic board. he's looking at north carolina. he says, what the hell just happened in mecklenburg county? >> why? what is new about pumping money

into a county that typically already votes democrat? >> yeah, so we vote democrat. we're a blue county, but for democrats to win statewide here in north carolina, they need mecklenburg to be not just blue but dark blue. we can run up the scoreboard. >> reporter: the county party going from zero paid staff in previous years to now 25 people. from dozens of volunteers to nearly 5,000. of course, the money. >> instead of raising $40,000, $50,000 a year, we've raised $2.7 million since i became chair. >> you're getting money out of state. >> half of what we raised is from outside of north carolina. >> what is the appeal for people nationally? >> ever heard of fulton county, georgia? >> i have. >> it was a deciding factor in georgia. it won the presidency for joe biden. got two united states senators for the democratic party. gave the democrats the majority in the senate. we have more registered voters here in mecklenburg county than in fulton county. >> are you the fulton county of

this election? >> that's what we're going to try to become. >> reporter: a plan election experts warn is easier said than done. >> if they're going to flip north carolina, key to the democrats strategy, raleigh and charlotte, it is about driving up as much support as they can. take a look. every election the democrats have been squeezing more and more out of mecklenburg county where charlotte is. go back 12 years. yeah, democrats were winning it. obama won this by about 100,000 votes. now, 2020, the last time around, look at that margin, almost 200,000 votes. democrats need that even higher if they're going to win carolina this time. >> how are you? >> reporter: an uphill climb north carolina republicans are counting on. >> yes, we need to have the turnout. but they also need to look at the red rural areas. right now, we're surrounded by union county, all red. smaller counties than we are, but the democratic vote would have to come up. we're not seeing that. >> what do you say to skeptics

who say, north carolina hasn't voted for a democratic president since obama. we hear you say every election cycle that you can. we've never seen it. >> the reason obama won in 2008, we knocked on every single door in the county. we ran out of doors to knock on. we're doing it again. >> every door? >> as many as we can. >> the goal essentially, says the mecklenburg county chair, is to make this one of the most politically relevant counties in the country. next week, we won't be talking about maricopa or fulton but mecklenburg. this is the second largest county in north carolina, which among the seven key swing states, is tied with the second most electoral votes. >> wow. >> morgan, this is an offensive move from kamala harris' campaign, going into more red territory that they might have ceded in the past. how do you compare the ground games you saw, the organization? what i've heard from a lot of republicans is that they're a little skeptical about the rnc's

outsourcing of the ground game. >> we spoke to both parties on the ground. if you look at the money, there is no comparison. the rnc is banking on the fact they have those red, more, you know, rural areas. north carolina, it's a centralized state. the issue, when you look at the finance report, and i haven't gotten the most recent one from republicans, but where it last stands, we're talking 100k, typical for a county party. if you look at the democrats, they've pulled in $2.7 million. the key is that's coming from a lot of out of state donors. that shows you, you know, from people who are coming in, pouring in, not only their money by also their time. if you're talking ground game, we've seen volunteers coming from florida, from georgia, who have been driving in in the past six months because they see the vision. the country will buy it. >> nbc news correspondent and co-anchor of nbc news daily, morgan radford. we appreciate your reporting. thank you so much. coming up, the supreme court is allowing virginia to purge about 1,600 people from its voter rolls.

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>> it's the enemy from within. all the scum we have to deal with. >> we've seen a lashing out, a stubborn sort of, you know, retribution holding individual. >> i am your retribution. aim your retribution. >> this is the kind of divisive rhetoric we need to get out of politics. >> we're up against very bad, evil people. evil force. >> practicing at words that signify hate. >> the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country. >> came across as extremely harsh, and it was meant that way. >> this group is stupid, but they're vicious. stupid people but vicious vicio. they're stupid people but they're vicious people. >> perhaps that's really how he feels about half of the american public. that was telling. >> so many sick, deranged people. >> this is what they think of middle america. >> how stupid are the people of iowa? >> this is what they think of the south. >> and they said, sir, please, don't talk about these people that way. they're republicans. i said, i don't give a [ bleep ] >> where do i begin with the faux outrage on fox news about

joe biden using the word garbage and kind of muffling his words. he meant something different, he says, but he used the word garbage, and it was a bummer, so what, because then kamala harris said, i separate myself from that, that's not what i believe, i don't believe that's what he meant either. but she addressed that it happened. so you have on one side, former president who made a misstatement, who made a statement that perhaps was not okay. and the candidate, she's the one running, not joe biden, saying, look, i don't agree with that, and that's not what he meant, but, you know, that's not the kind of thing i think of saying. so i just want to know when donald trump will ever be asked to be accountable for anything he says since kamala harris is being held accountable for what joe biden says, okay, and you all know joe biden's heart. you know who he is. you know what you're doing, but still. fair is fair. so kamala harris actually faces

the music, talks about it, doesn't pretend it doesn't exist, and all of these hosts, not serious people, pretending donald trump has never used the word garbage, carnage, these people are poison. he's never denigrated spire communities, entire cities, he's never insulted and demeaned people, fools. and ultimately, all will pay if you get your way. and for what you're working. and you yourself, republicans, and those who are mike barnicle, sucking up to trump, bending to his will, don't understand. mike johnson, are you kidding me? first of all, donald trump has no replacement for obamacare. he never has in the eight years he said i'm going to get rid of it in two weeks and replace it, he never did. so for how many million americans, we're going to yank

the health care away? explain that. that too is on the front page of the "new york times" in its own special way as it's not being covered. >> you know, one of the stories about this time in our lives politically, and one of the stories about this election particularly, this election year, is the false e equivalency of joe biden, could misstep going up the steps of a plane and be on the front page of every paper. donald trump can call this country a loser country. >> suckers and losers, end of story. >> this is arguably the greatest paper in the world, i'm referring to the "new york times." but again, on the front page of the paper, biden misstep delivers grist to harris foes. basically the story is talking about an apostrophe. an apostrophe as the president of the united states referred to

sunday night's trump rally at madison square garden and saying what the supporters did and supporters, he referenced one person, the comedian, who slurred, denigrated puerto rico and all puerto ricans. one person. and he referred to the person as he in the rest of what he said. and yet it's been blown up into just like an epic misstep that everyone has to apologize for that has driven part of the news for several days, that has driven fox tv crazy. >> on a loop. they had that thing on a loop all day long, eddie. >> i mean, it's ridiculous. freedom is more than just freedom from constraint. freedom involves responsibility. what does it mean to be responsible for democracy. what does it mean to be responsible as the editors in one of the greatest papers in the world in terms of the role of the fourth estate. i would say this, mika, and i understand the politics. i understand the politics.

but you have folk who believe that most people look down on them. it's what's driving the grievance, that these smart egghead people, these limousine latté drinking people can't stand regular folk. i get that. but these people can call folk vermin. think about what they were calling the haitians in springfield, immigrants, people working hard. they can say all of the ugliest things in the world about people like me and then when they get called to the carpet, they clutch their damn pearls. so it's a kind of rhetorical handcuff, right? you can't say, you can't respond to them viscerally, when they're attacking your very humanity because then it gives fuel to their sense that you are looking down upon them, and it just angers me in so many ways. >> we've got to keep it real in these final days, all news organizations. still ahead, we're going to talk to harris campaign senior

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you don't love americans, that's true. >> the most corrupt, horrible people. these are horrible people. oops, we should get along with everybody. they're horrible people. >> he's the worst president in the history of the usa. >> obama was a great divider, he was a great great divider. >> kamala harris, a very low iq individual. >> so this guy david muir, you know, pretty boy, he goes, i don't think he's that good looking anymore. time does that. time does that. >> she would get us into a third world war. >> look at that general, he's a

real general, not like milley. not like milley. not like kelly. low. he's a low iq guy. >> they're incompetent people. >> kamala is a radical left marxist, rated even worse that are bernie sanders or pocahontas herself. >> she doesn't have the qualities that real leaders, people like brett favre have. >> they're grossly incompetent people, and they have destroyed our country. donald trump wants to put us in jail. donald trump is going to go after some of the scum that you see back there that's so dishonest. >> and you can't be president if you hate the american people. and there's a lot of hatred. >> there is a lot of hatred, mika. a lot of hatred coming from him. that's donald trump.

what does john heilemann say, it's either projection or confession. >> you got it. >> i had to write this down. >> yeah. >> after saying you can't run america unless you love america, people that oppose him are corrupt, horrible people. joe biden, the worst president. by the way, the "wall street journal" today says whoever is elected president inherits a fantastic economy. calls kamala harris low iq despite the fact she just completely lapped him in the debate, and he couldn't even do "60 minutes." obama, great divider, he talks about milley not being a real general. general mark milley, one of the highest decorated soldiers of this generation. >> yeah. >> his chief of staff, general kelly, also says he's low iq.

called his opponent a marxist. called a senator pocahontas. talked about how grossly incompetent people were, and just for good measure, ended up calling the press that were there in a hostile environment, scum. so there you go. the hypocrisy, mika, over a misstatement by joe biden, which he quickly corrected is so laughable because this guy does this every day, and then you turn on fox news, oh, how could anybody do this. i've never seen this before, despite the fact one of the people saying that yesterday on fox news stood by while donald trump watched violence erupt on january 6th and kept allowing violence to erupt on january 6th, and said the people that were beating the hell out of cops were patriots.

so, yes, yes, yes, willie, the gaslighting never ends. they really do think that their voters are that stupid, and it makes me sad for those voters that donald trump and people on tv, on other channels, really think americans are that dumb. >> let's not forget donald trump has spent the last couple of weeks calling the entire country a garbage can, his words, he initiated the garbage talk, and, yeah, you're right. going through that litany of insults that he offered yesterday, the truth is the audience he's talking to lives in a media ecosystem and a media bubble where that all made sense to them, that it is kamala harris and joe biden who have disdain for the country, who have ruined the country. donald trump calls this a third world country. to paraphrase pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, please keep s talking america. why does he put down america at every opportunity and every turn

because he has to create a parallel fantasy universe where america lies in ruins and he can ride in and save the country. as you said, the economy is at historic highs. it's just objectively undeniable that things are going extremely well. inflation needs to come down more. we know that. he has to create a fantasy world, mika, that does not exist. he's talking about a world and america that does not exist so he can be the savior. >> this is from rupert murdoch's "wall street journal," which has bent over backwards, especially the editorial page, bent over back wards to do everything they can to grant a permission structure to voters, so they can vote for a guy that is trashing america, that, of course, tried to overthrow the last presidential election. good luck there, i hope it works for you, guys, whatever you're doing. this is the headline in the "wall street journal" today.

the next president inherits a remarkable economy. i've never seen a headline like that. i've never seen a headline. as we have been saying here every day while donald trump has been trashing america, talking about how great america's economy is, how strong america's economy is, donald trump goes around trashing it. but i've never seen a headline like that. the next president inherits, quote, a remarkable economy. the envy of the world. we have heard time and time again, and so, yeah, that's what kamala harris is riing into this election with at her back. a remarkable economy. i also want to get to -- i also want to get to a little bit later on, but we have some business to do first about the fact that it's so interesting over the past couple of days, i have been hearing on the ground

in pennsylvania things. who knows, sounds like they're going pretty well for the harris campaign. you won't really hear that from the harris campaign, but they keep their head down. right when you start hearing that from reporters, right when you start hearing that from people on the ground, donald trump starts talking about pennsylvania votes being stolen. is this transparent or what? now, listen, for parents and those with children, also for those who are aspiring producers, i want to give you three bits of wisdom this morning, number one, this is not from the teleprompter, i'm reading this straight from my heart, three things you don't want to do if you have a child, okay, don't let them play with knives. that's a bad thing. >> good. >> if you have a teenage boy and the words of the great o rourk,

write this down, willie, and write it on your heart. do not hand them at the same time a bottle of whiskey and car keys to the family station wagon. don't do that. number three, and i think this is the most important thing, if you ever find yourself in a position where you are a sound engineer or a producer of a morning show, do not let jonathan lemire talk after a game like last night. >> no. >> so if we could cut jonathan lemire's mic and go straight to willie. >> why just jonathan. >> no, it's not going to be good. we'll let mike because he's passionate about the game of baseball. willie, i've got to say, even i felt your pain last night. and what has to be remembered not only in yankee's history but world series history as just a really really bizarre fifth inning that actually ended -- i mean, the final, aaron judge

drops the ball that any kid in little league could have caught, and i'm still trying to figure out what he was doing. here he is. you just don't miss this. you just don't miss this. and i don't remember seeing a player miss something like that. tk hernandez, obviously very alert to get into second. we don't have to show that a thousand times. one time would suffice. okay. stop it. i've got to say, willie, that was really bad. >> simmer. >> i've got to say, the one that really just made you think, man, inexplicable was when derek cole who was pitching an incredible game, a no hitter going into the fifth inning didn't cover first base. that's something you teach kids when they're 7, 8 years old. >> this was a slow roller. he assumed rizzo was going to field it and step on first. had spin on it. cole didn't cover, but you're

right, escrow, yankees can everything going. they felt good after the game one win. judge hits a home run, okay, we've got judge back. here we go. cole is pitching great, a no hitter through four innings and a fifth inning that will live in yankee infamy ever changed it all. three errors until the inning. hernandez was off the bag, went halfway a little bit, not quite halfway, and i think he thought he could double him off first. before he squeezed it, he looked to his left to see if he could throw to first base, that opened the flood gates, dodgers score five runs. freddie freeman, two-run single, the world series mvp, and it all just came unravelled. the dodgers went on to win the game, 7-6. i don't want to say they're taking it hard here in new york, joe, but here's the back page of the "new york post" this morning saying simply "end of the

world." >> oh, geez. >> oh, my gosh. >> in fact, we have an eyewitness to the tragedy last night. jon meacham is here with us. it did feel good for four innings, and suddenly it all left us. >> it was amazing. it was really kind of a greek drama, will legal. it was comedy, it was heading toward victory. it was redemption and then tragedy struck. >> yes, it did. >> really, i was there with my son, who i like to think got this from the ambient atmosphere in the meacham household, begins analogizing it to the titanic. my work is done. >> there's always an analogy. >> yeah. >> but it was genuinely gasps with judge, and people thought we had gone into a time warp when cole didn't cover. >> bizarre. >> yeah, it really is so

strange, and mike, you know, going into this fifth inning, just to let people know how paranoid red sox fans always are about the yankees, i started looking ahead. wait a second, they're going to win this game. it's 3-2, and suddenly, i start thinking because your boys, the barnacle boys have put together this extraordinary extraordinar. the yankees are going to get the final laugh. we're all celebrating what happened 20 years ago. the way they were playing and the fact that aaron judge at the plate was starting to see the baseball. i mean, this is -- if he had caught that ball. this is actually a series where judge, you saw him correct himself over last night and the night before. you were like, okay, judge is here to play, and with judge and stanton playing, these dodgers, they can have their backs pushed

against the wall. i really thought that was going to happen. it looked like it was going to happen, and then just the strangest fifth inning. strangest inning i have seen in world series history. >> well, you know, joe. i only have so much space in my heart for things like this, but i'm going to tell you, jon, willie, welcome to the land of "if only." that's in my zip code. was my zip code for many many years until 2004. last night's game was a tribute to a lot of things. it was a tribute to baseball, first of all, because it was a magnificent season and a magnificent fall season, but the idea of the yankees losing that way with one inning collapse was the epitome of baseball. i mean, i almost shut it off when it was 5-0 in the third inning.

i almost turned and watched chicago pd at that time. you know. >> right here on nbc. >> to get my mind off of it. but i didn't. and while i certainly feel for you, and to a certain level, it brought back a memory of 2003 to me when you just mentioned your son. i then had a young 10-year-old tim barnacle sitting next to me and his brother colin and nick were next to him, and aaron boone hit the home run that crushed a whole bunch of people, it certainly ended the red sox season, and colin reached over and tugged on my sleeve and looked me in the eye and said, dad, we were all standing, he said, dad, you better take care of tim. and i looked down, and i saw 10-year-old timmy barnicle,

tears as big as hub caps in his eyes, and the first thing that draped across my mind is what have i done? i've passed this on to my sons. so i feel for you to a certain extent, but mookie betts won the world series. >> i'm putting an end to this. >> also we're talking about the yankees failings, but let's not take anything away from the dodgers, the better team won the world series this year. incredible lineup, they pitched great early in the series, they deserved to win. it hurts, but congratulations to the dodgers. >> that's nice. >> did we cut jonathan lemire's mic off. jonathan, what did you think of the series? >> why did you -- oh, my. >> you can do it, jon, you can do it. >> oh, his mic is cut. that's a shame. >> mika, take us to news. >> what we're going to do, because you guys have -- we've got a lot to talk about.

>> a little rough. >> well, start talking. >> we're going to take a 90 second break. we're going to cover donald trump in wisconsin also. donald trump says he's the protector of women. he keeps saying this sick trope. and we have an update on what life is like for women in america under trump's abortion bans. so we'll kind of spell out exactly what he means by protector in 90 seconds. tor in . have you ever considered getting a walk-in tub? well, look no further!

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during his rally in green bay, wisconsin, last night, donald trump admitted that his advisers have told him to stop saying that he will protect women. it's probably good advice. it's a line he has been using frequently on the campaign trail. as polls show, he's trailing vice president harris by large margins with women. last night, he went a step further with his protector comments while explaining why his advisers don't want him to make those comments. >> and my people told me about four weeks ago, no, i want to protect the people. i want to protect the women of our country. i want to protect the women. sir, please don't say that. we think it's inappropriate. i'm president, i want to protect the women of our country. [ cheers and applause ]

they said, sir, i just think it's inappropriate for you to say -- i pay these guys a lot of money. can you believe it? i said, well, i'm going to do it whether the women like it or not. i'm going to protect them. i'm going to protect them from migrants coming in. i'm going to protect them from foreign countries that want to hit us with missiles and lots of other things. >> whether women like it or not. that's great. trump says he'll protect women. okay. he's got a long history that suggests otherwise. >> just in case i start kissing her. i'm automatically attracted to beautiful women. i just start kissing them like a magnet. when you're a start, they let you do it. you can do anything. grab them by the [ bleep ] . you can do anything. >> and you say it begin, this has become very famous in this

video, i just start kissing them. it's like a magnet. just kiss, i don't even wait. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. grab them by the [ bleep ] you can do anything. >> historically that's true for stars. >> true for stars that they can grab them by the. [ bleep ] >> if you look over the last million years, that's been largely true, not always, largely true, unfortunately or fortunately. >> you consider yourself to be a star? >> i think you can say that, yeah. >> you're running for president of the united states, chief executive of the united states, do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle? >> the answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the women? >> ten years? >> i don't know. >> you take positions on everything else. >> it's a very complicated position. >> for 54 years they were trying

to get roe v. wade terminated, and i did it. and i'm proud to have done it. they wanted to get it back, right? there would be no question. >> you celebrate that, yeah. >> and we did it. and we did something that was a miracle. when i walked on to the stage today, a gentleman in the back, probably works for fox, nice guy -- >> well, the abortion bans due to donald trump are certainly punishment for women. i have been bringing the stories here throughout the past two weeks of many women, many women who are just examples of many more women who are having reproductive emergencies or emergencies with their reproductive organs whether they are pregnant or not who are not getting the health care they need, and the stories are gruesome. they're dreadful, a horror that nobody should have to endure, and i have to tell them because it's happening now. it's happening now.

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a group of 400 historians is endorsing vice president kamala harris this morning. historians for harris writes in a statement, since 1789 the nation has prospered under a

constitution dedicated to securing the general welfare under a national government bound by the rule of law in which no one interest or person holds absolute power. in 1860 an elite interest dedicated to human slavery attempted to shatter the union rather than accede to the constitutional rule of law by accepting the outcome of the election, plunging the nation into civil war. we believe based on our study of the past, the historians, that the nation stands at an unprecedented historical, as well as a political cross roadings on the outcome of this election, no less than the election of 1860, we appeal to our fellow citizens, whether conservative, independent or liberal, regardless of party affiliation, to vote for kamala harris and tim walz. joining us now, professor of history at princeton university, scene willis, and eddie glaude jr. and jon meacham, all three part of the historians for harris. jon, making the nonpartisan

case, a constitutional case for vice president harris. why do you think the stakes are so high? >> it's supra partisan. i'm not a democrat. i voted for presidential candidates of both parties, but to me, this is a clear application of reason and justice that one candidate represents a journey toward a more perfect union, under the rule of law. and the other, if you take him at his word, if you listen to what he says, and see what happened after the 2020 election, that candidate is not devoted to the america that can, in fact, become that more perfect union. >> so professor, for you, why are the stakes so high here? >> well, the key is the constitution. i mean, that's what draws me to supra partisan, above partisanship. i mean, look, every election we've had so far in my lifetime, both parties have respected the

basic constitutional rule of law. that has not been the case, and certainly not the case now. and so the constitution is deeply important. we have had moments in american history where crises have happened, the largest being in 1860, a group of people dedicated to slavery, rather than accept the presidential election, they were going to dissolve the union, this is not unlike that, we're at that kind of moment right now. you know, we have one candidate who's already tried to overthrow the outcome of a constitutionally dictated election, has already tried to do that, and has more or less said he will try to do it again. that right away should alarm you. but apart from that, the contempt, the contempt that he and his supporters show for the constitution. and for the rule of law, has been throughout his presidency, and his post presidency, and so i think as jon said, it's a really pretty clear choice we

have here between some group of people who would rather, you know, dissolve the constitution really. he has said so. he would happily abrogate it for the sake of his own power. >> he expresses admiration for vladimir putin, and kim jong un. as your princeton colleague points out, we don't have to wonder about this, this is not some theoretical exercise. this is not 2016 where we say he's just saying these things, he's not going to do them. we have watched him do it. we watched him try to overturn the outcome of the last election, and gone further saying what he wants to do if he gets power. >> the analogy to 1860 is really important for me. the very background conditions for trying to struggle to make the country live up to its promise, it's being challenged. what are the conditions under which i can struggle, that we can struggle to make america live up to its ideals, to make

it a genuinely multirational, multiethnic, multicultural democracy. donald trump wants to undermine the background conditions for the argument to be made, and it's on that basis, right, it's on that basis that i join with all of these historians to make the argument that we have to vote. no matter if you're progressive or conservative, democrat, no, you believe in the background of conditions for us to have the struggle, to have the argument, you got to vote for compares and tim walz. >> it has nothing to do with partisanship. i'm a conservative. you know, part of the only congress that balanced the budget four years in a row in a century liz cheney conservatives, both of us have 95% lifetime acu ratings. and this isn't even a close call. we want to survive until the next election, and we want leaders that respect madisonian democracy, checks and balances,

respect nato leader, and don't throw their respect behind communist tyrants like donald trump does. you know, jon, you and i have been a bit concerned throughout the election that people -- they use the justification of voting for donald trump this time they say, well, you know, he was president four years before and he didn't try to gel anybody, he didn't try to gel hillary clinton, we don't need to go back to 1860. we can look at what happened in 2017 and 2018, donald trump did try to gel hillary clinton, ordered jeff sessions to arrest her. he said there was nothing there. ordered barr to arrest her. barr's next attorney general said there's nothing there to arrest her for. two weeks before the 2020 election, he ordered bar privately and publicly to arrest joe biden and joe biden's

family. and, again, he had pushback then. he will not have that pushback now, willie. >> we've discussed the rule of law, the spirit of the constitution, which also goes to the centrality of character in making american democracy work. it's about individual character of the leaders, but also of the led. and mike pence after the election, the folks you mentioned, they may not be perfect, no one is. but in an hour of maximum danger, they had the character to say no. we're going to follow the spirit of the constitution. >> i think, professor, a lot of people are banking on our democracy being so strong. we're america. do you speak to the fragility of any democracy, even this one? >> every democracy. look, we're faced with what

seems to be a normal election. it's not a normal election. the guardrails have been off for a long time. democracy depends on trust. democracy depends on honor, on character, as john said. that is what's at stake here. the constitution itself, as the framers said, a republic if you can keep it. there's no guarantee in our institutions. our institutions are human institutions, and if men were angels, we need no government, well, we're not all angels, and we need a government that can be a strong democracy, but it depends on who we are. >> it's very hard to get that to be comprehended by people who are busy working, tapping into the election now, and how could that, you know, how could that really affect me, but actually everybody is affected. freedom is not for free, and even if you're a republican, and you back trump, your guarantee

of not being a target of his threats will be gone. i mean, it's a whole different ball game if he wins. professor of american history at princeton university, sean welentz, thank you so much for joining us this morning. we appreciate it. presidential historian, jon meacham, thank you as well. coming up, the reverend al sharpton's interview with former president obama, we'll bring you the conversation about immigration, partisan politics, and the final days to the election. reverend sharpton joins us from los angeles straight ahead on "morning joe." straight ahead on "morning joe." dad: a perfect day with the family! shingles doesn't care. but shingrix protects! only shingrix is proven over 90% effective. shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults

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time sure does fly, doesn't

it? >> it sure does. ♪ take a stranger stronger course to the corner of ♪ ♪ your life ♪ ♪ make the white wind run so fast ♪ ♪ she hasn't got time to make you last ♪ ♪ time and time news is captured ♪ ♪ >> right here is where we want to be. ♪♪ >> you know, if you like you could spend the rest of the night here.

>> i could spend the rest of my life here. >> that was a rarely for the new movie here starring tom hanks and robin wright. the film takes a look at life from one single vantage point over the course of generations and centuries. joining us now, the film's lead actress, robin wright and its director, robert zamakis, it's great to have you both. robert and robin, take me here. tell us about it. >> well, "here" is a story based on a graphic novel by richard mcguire, and the premise of the movie is that the audience, the viewer, watches centuries and generations pass from one fixed place in the world. and the core of the story is the one between tom hanks and robin,

but what we see passing through our view is time and life and things that happen as life goes on. >> robin? >> i love listening to you. we all have different synopsis. it is that. but it's -- every life experience that you could ever have in a family is what takes place in front of you. so you're watching the evolution, not only of the world coming to and fro. so it's not chronological. so you'll be in 1962 and tom and i are, you know, 18 years old with the help of visual effects. >> oh, wow. >> and then boom, you have this cool robert transition shot of a lightning bolt and then you're suddenly with the dinosaurs. so it's everything that happened in that location in that time, that's what you see as a viewer. >> yeah, robert, we were talking before we came on, this

beautifully captures all of the celebration, but of the heartbreak, the joy and the pain that comes through that room through any family, through any life. what was it about the graphic novel where you saw a movie where others may not have seen a film in one fixed place? >> yeah, i don't know why i saw a movie, but i think the reason was is because the graphic novel, to me, was instantly cinematic. and i think because the graphic novel plays with this idea of different time, that's something that movies do better than any other art form is to present transitions in time because movies themselves are time manipulation. >> now, robin, i suspect the minute you heard robin was doing a film, you said yes. you've worked together before, he's a brilliant film maker, add into the mix, tom hanks a forrest gump reunion between the three of you. what did you think about this project? >> it's an original.

the format has never been done before. i would do anything bob asked me to do. tom, really, let's get the band back together. tour bus. let's do it. >> that was 30 years ago. >> i know, and it's like no time had passed. >> does it feel familiar? >> it's nice to have that sort of relationship. we have been working together for 18 years. >> not quite 30, but we're on our way. >> it's just continuous. i'm curious about not just the characters, there's a house that's a character. can you explain that? >> yes, at one point, a house is built, around our view, a house is built, and different families live in this house, and the house sort of becomes a character. and the house transitions through different decades just like the people do that inhabit it. it becomes a character in itself as well. >> i was interested, robin to hear you say, too, we kind of

need a film like this at this time because it's about joy and pain and all that, but it's about change, which is inevitable for all of us and our country feels a little uncertain and unstable at this moment. why do you believe this is an important film at this time? >> you know, it's funny because they keep talking about, oh, it's a reunion of forrest gump, you know, the team, and really and truly, it's almost like a sequel, an emotional sequel, that's what i feel like to gump, this movie, the message of -- it's just, it's so basic, it's about love and loss and laughter and pain, it's all of the things that we experience, and it has a beautiful ending. and it's about what we're losing in this world, i think, the need to have this message out there, that there's so much hatred and bullying and just mean. and this is so pure. and sweet. like you, bob.

>> with two of the greatest actors. >> do you see some of that, too, robert? >> i think what you said is right on the money. i think that, you know, it sort of speaks to the truth that the only constant is that everything changes. >> yeah. >> and there's impermanence, so it's -- we have to be aware that these moments that pass are quite fleeting, and we don't want to miss them. >> yeah. >> the new movie, "here," hits theaters tomorrow. robin wright and robert zamakis, thank you so much for being on "morning joe," and we'll be right back with more "morning joe."

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doing all the right things. >> women have no barriers. it means we can come together, network and ultimately make the path better for those behind us. >> absolutely an advantage being over 50 in my life's work, because i think in many ways it means i can bring all of my skill sets, all of my expertise and knowledge. >> i'm a woman in a leadership tradition. it gives people hope to see we can still do amazing things in the second half of our life is really motivating. >> 50 over 50 is a community of women, a community of you, who are proving that success and innovation has no age limit. >> there is something to be said about the collective power of being in a room with women like you, and i'll tell you why. we've had a pandemic. we've had a loneliness epidemic that's been well reported. we have young women who don't have opportunities that i had

five years ago. it makes the urgency of what we do and the examples that you all show us in the world all that more important. >> there's no age, no sex, no religion, no political affiliation. i don't care if you are 20, if you are 30, if you are 50 or you are 73 like i am. i look good, don't i? >> you will never be powerful in life until you are powerful over your own money. >> return in time to decide what you want your life to look like, no longer bound by biology or society or culture or any narrative you can set. >> if you were to tell me 50, i would say, oh no, that's old, 50's old. that's old people. the older i get, the younger i feel. >> if you have a sponsor, you're 20% more likely to get promoted.

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welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it is 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. in the east. jonathan lemire and elise jordan are still with us. joining us now, molly jong-fast. first, donald trump's campaign spent the day yesterday attempting to capitalize on a comment president biden made tuesday that trump's allies claim refer to their supporters as garbage, a word trump uses

all the time. here's what vice president kamala harris said about biden's comments to abc news. >> first of all, i think the president has explained what he meant. i said it earlier. i strongly disagree with any criticism of the people based on who they vote for. i've made that clear throughout my career, including my speech last night before this all happened, which is, i intend to be a president for all americans, including those who may not vote for me in this election. i take very seriously my obligation and my oath to concern myself first with the needs of the american people. >> meanwhile, vice president harris held rallies in three different battleground states yesterday, north carolina, pennsylvania and wisconsin, where she promoted unity and working together. >> we have an opportunity in

this election to turn the page on a decade of donald trump, who has been trying to keep us divided and afraid of each other. we know that is who he is, but north carolina, that is not who we are. [ cheers and applause ] >> that is not who we are. and it is time for a new chapter where we stop with the pointing fingers at each other. instead, let us lock arms with one another, knowing we have so much more in common than what separates us. [ cheers and applause ] >> as for donald trump, he was in green bay, wisconsin, last night, where we had this message for women. >> my people told me about four weeks ago, i would say, no, i want to protect the people. i want to protect the women of

the country. sir, please don't say that? why? we think it's very inappropriate for you to say so. why? i'm president, i want to protect the women of our country. [ applause ] >> they said, sir, i just think it's inappropriate for you to say. i pay these guys a lot of money. can you believe it? i said, well, i'm going to do it whether the women like it or not. i've got to protect them. i'm going to protect them from migrants coming in. i'm going to protect them from foreign countries that want to hit us with missiles and lots of other things. >> an example of what we've been talking about all week, the normalization of truth and lies. the protector of women? this is a man who overturned roe and there are such strict abortion bans in place that women who need life-saving care are not getting it, and the outcomes are horrendous.

women are living the results of trump's lies, distortions and threats come true. so, again, the protector of women, that is about as opposite as it can get, and he does that a lot. jen psaki is with us, molly jong-fast and reverend al sharpton joins us. it's good to have you all on board. jen, i'll start with you, i don't know how to drive the point home any more but to spell out the actual realities that women are going through right now and then hear donald trump say that he is going to be our protector whether we like it or not. that's definitely a threat. >> no kidding. look, i think we will see what

the election looks like on tuesday, and we will see what impacts the election most. i have no doubt about one thing. women -- i'll also add in there white women, who by the way, have voted for trump in the last two elections by 11 points four years ago and by nine points eight years ago could be a huge force here. the reason why is because something is at risk for them, abortion rights. it doesn't matter if they are registered democrats, if they have never voted for a democrat before, if they're not telling their husbands they are voting for kamala harris. this is a huge driving issue. we've seen it in every special election. we've seen it in 2022. when he makes comments like that, which is also completely condescending. nobody wants your protection, first of all. but your version of protection is forcing women to carry babies

to term even if it risks their health, even if that baby is not viable, even if they're at risk of sepsis. that is what women should hear, and i think a lot of women are paying attention to that. >> i agree with you. there may be some people making their vote in private and maybe not telling their husbands about it. i also think, elise, there's a lot of husbands who will be voting for kamala harris because of women's health care. we have seen story after story of husbands who have been traumatized by watching their wives go through the unbelievable torture of not receiving the life-saving health care that is literally three feet away from them in an e.r., available to them in an e.r., but the doctors can't bring themselves -- what about the doctors and nurses twisted inside because they don't want to get arrested, and yet they

can't save a life. there are a lot of ripple effects that make this action and women's access to life-saving health care an issue that is not just for women, but for men too. >> that's why we see what are called the dobbs dads, voting to save their daughters from the draconian lack of health care that donald trump has brought to this country, the basic health care, modern medicine that women are being denied. women of america don't need to be protected from all the things that donald trump is talking around. we need to be protected from donald trump. >> the father of ivf? i don't think i want -- >> exactly. molly, what are you hearing about this phenomenon of women not necessarily sharing their vote with their husbands? i don't think that's retrograde. sometimes if you don't want to fight with your spouse on something, you leave some topics

out of the conversation. >> we were talking in the green room. as someone married 20-plus years, there are times your husband doesn't need to know how much it cost or how you voted. don't tell my husband i said that. but hearing anecdotally these women out there, these canvassers going to people's houses, the husband comes out and says we're a trump household. then you see the woman or the daughter quietly going, i'm not going to vote the way he is. your vote is private. this is your power. no one needs to know. your vote your conscience. >> can i just say one more thing, mika? >> yeah. >> the audacity of donald trump to get up on stage in wisconsin with brett favre, that's the kind of man we want to be protected -- yes, protected from men like you. >> i love that, because the choice is so clear.

do you want the guy who's obsessed with grabbing genitals, has been found liable of sexual abuse, who seems obsessed with talking about male genitals and the size to a crowd of people at the most pivotal time in our history. i'm not even trying to be funny. this is what happened. or do you want to vote for the woman who wants to try and figure out how to deal with these strict abortion bans, health care bans that have been put in place by donald trump? this is the moment for women. this is the final hour for women. talking to stevie nicks this week, i'll quote her, be the lighthouse. women of america, be the beacon of warning and talk to young people and get them out to the polls on this issue, because women, this is your future, and we are living it now. the stories are real right now.

trump's america for women is happening now, and it's a nightmare. jonathan lemire. >> certainly the harris campaign feels encouraged, cautiously optimistic about what they're seeing turnout in the gender gap of women going to the polls, not necessarily registered democrats either. reverend al, you sat down with president barack obama on your radio show in which you discussed immigration and donald trump's treatment of minorities. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the african-american community, latino community, people who historically have been on the outside, we have in donald trump somebody who consistently has shown disregard to people who are not like him. you know, i don't have to tell you. this is somebody who has made a career out of demeaning and

talking about and treating people of color in ways that indicate he does not think they necessarily are full members of the american community. but donald trump's not interested in fixing the problem. he had four years to fix the problem. he didn't do three quarters of what he said, he didn't do. what he did do most recently is kill a bipartisan bill that kamala harris was having to work with republicans to pass that would have made the situation at the border better, safer, more fair, more just. donald trump specifically called up republicans in congress and told them don't vote for it, not because it wouldn't have made things better. he didn't want republicans to vote for it because he thought it was going to take an issue away from him for the election.

>> reverend al, obviously a wide-ranging conversation there with former president obama, one of the democrats' top surrogates on the campaign trail right now. what do you sense he believes are the decisive issues this week? >> i think that president obama is very concerned about the very basis of the state of democracy in this country. i had the opportunity to work closely with him and his administration, particularly on civil rights issues and other issues the two terms he was in office. so i got to know him. i think that i sensed yesterday -- i was in las vegas doing a get out the vote for the national action network. he was not in vegas. i think he was in washington. but i got even through being on the radio and i'll play the

whole interview today on my radio show. even through the telephone i sensed a sense of urgency that he was really more than all in, because he's usually all in, but he was even more than that, because i really think he sees a real threat to this country and a threat to what president trump represents. you must understand when you had the historians on earlier in the show this morning, when you talk about going back to the civil war, back to 1860, one of the ones that really showed how you can break that cycle successfully was the election of barack obama, the first black that was elected president. he is the man that helped to break that cycle, looking at it going all the way the other way. so i sense that he talked about not only the economy and world affairs and talked about race and talked about women, i sense

with it all the underlying thought that he has was we're going to go back to the days where people like me would not have been possible. and that has to concern him both as a former president but very personally. >> let's bring in senior spokesperson and advisor for the harris campaign, adrienne elrod. good to have you back on the show. we know how tenuous things can be running against a candidate like donald trump. we've been covering it. with that in mind, what are the priorities for the harris campaign in the final five days? >> in terms of what her priorities are communicating to the american people, it's several things. you saw her lay this out at the ellipse, the very place where donald trump four years ago incited an insurrection. she in turn goes to the ellipse

and says let me tell the american people how i'm going to fight for them. here are my plans to lower drug costs for the american people. and the sandwich generation, those taking care of aging parents and younger children, how is she going to help them out? helping people who are seeking to buy a home buy a home. trump wants to enact a national abortion ban. he wants to increase costs for american families with his project 2025 plan. she also talked about the fact that she wants to bring families together. she wants to bring americans together, whether they voted for her or not. you've been hearing her talk a lot about that on the campaign trail. she wants to make it clear she's fighting for every single american in this country no matter who they voted for. in terms of what her campaign is

doing over the next five days, let me throw out some stats. our volunteers knocked on 1.5 million doors in battleground states. we also made 15 million calls to both households who said they're going to vote for us and those who still need a little bit more persuasiveness. we have surrogates out in the battleground states every single day. obviously the vice president, governor walz traveling to battleground states, doing multiple campaign rallies every single day. we are not leaving anything on the table. we want to use every single minute we have left over the next five days to get the message out to the american people about what is at stake in this election. we're in the fight for our lives, the fight for democracy. also, the vice president has plans to improve the lives of every single american living in this country. we want to make that contrast very clear and show how she's fighting for the american people. you're going to be hearing more

and more about that as she hones in on her final message in the waning days of this campaign. >> i want to ask you about joe biden's use of the word garbage and what he meant versus what he said, because i thought it was actually the reaction to it was very telling, because kamala harris did something donald trump has never done. she just answers the question, validates and then made a very good point about how she would lead americans, all americans and also said that's not what he meant. we know where the word came from. it came from donald trump. it came from his comedian at the maga rally at msg that looked really creepy in a million different ways and frightening to a lot of people. and yet, on fox news, this is on a loop for 24 hours as if the word garbage had never been said before by donald trump, where it

started. even hosts saying i will always remember the day, where i was at the moment half the country was called garbage. i swear to god that was said with a straight face on fox news. could you answer back, please, to this hypocrisy. >> yeah. look, mika, you and i could spend a long time dissecting how people are getting their information these days and how siloed certain, quote, unquote, media news outlets are. the bottom line is, look, this is exactly why the vice president went to the ellipse earlier this week and laid out her vision. 75,000 people in washington, d.c., think about that, 75,000 people came to hear her talk about what her vision is for the american people. so she's getting her message out there. we are using every means that we can in terms of using our digital platforms here on the campaign, working with surrogates to use their digital platforms. we've had so many people endorse

over the last five days, bad bunny, of course one of the most popular musicians in america, a very prominent puerto rican endorsed. he used his platform to talk about why he does not support and why he is supporting kamala harris. jennifer aniston just endorsed us yesterday on her gram account. she is followed by millions and millions of suburban women and men across this country. you could name -- there are so many surrogates. we've had over 100 former republican national security experts who have come out and endorsed the vice president, over 300 bush, mccain, romney alums have endorsed the vice president. you know, we talk about the 400 historians this morning who have endorsed the vice president. everyone is using their platforms. it really feels like it's coming home in terms of the other voices, the surrogates on this campaign that are supporting us. she is doing everything she can to get her message out there. if there is a media outlet that

is not going to tell the truth to the american people, we are using every means to overcome that. >> adrienne, we don't have much time, but you mentioned some of the puerto rican surrogates that have come out just this week. what are they saying about why they decided to endorse kamala harris in the aftermath of those atrocious comments at madison square garden about puerto ricans? >> i think, you know, elise, they take very strong offense to their community being criticized. i mean, it's as simple as that. this is what donald trump does. is there a constituency out there in this country that he has not criticized? he has criticized everyone. talking about the fact he says he's going to fight for women, we need to stay away from donald trump when he says he wants to protect women. it's as simple as that. if your community is criticized, you're going to stand up for that community. of course, vice president harris offers a vision for this

country. so there's such a stark contrast there, and it's wonderful to see so many people come out and show their support for the vice president. >> senior spokesperson and advisor for the harris campaign, adrienne elrod, thank you very much for coming on this morning. we appreciate it. take care. coming up, both liberal and conservative experts have dismissed donald trump's economic plans as economically destructive. now, one of the former president's biggest supporters is agreeing with them. plus, a number of u.s. news outlets are declining to endorse a presidential candidate ahead of next week's election, but this morning one major british publication is stepping in to fill that gap. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin will have those details for you straight ahead. hose details fory straight ahead

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they were hundreds of fraudulent registration applications. and officials also wonder how it happened, which is why they've rejected those applications submitted by paid canvassers and are investigating. it's exactly how the system is supposed to work, safeguards kicking in to prevent any cheating, not accelerate it. >> when you have cases like this, it should encourage people to have more faith in the system, not less. >> reporter: it comes as former president trump and his team are ramping up attacks on the election, despite no evidence of widespread fraud, potentially planting to seed now to dispute the results later. >> there is certainly a strategy right now to cast doubts on the results of the election before the votes have been cast. meanwhile, the supreme court has ruled to allow republican officials in virginia to move forward with a plan to purge 1600 names from the state's voter rolls ahead of the election. however, since virginia offers

same-day registration, any eligible voter removed from the rolls should still be able to vote on election day or during the early voting period. let's bring in state attorney for palm beach county, florida, dave aronberg. what do you make of the supreme court's decision here? >> good to be with you, mika. first off, it's already a federal crime for non-citizens to vote in federal elections. despite donald trump's claims, there's no credible evidence that non-citizen voting is a problem. studies show these are air occurrences and they've had no impact on the outcome of elections. the reason for that is you can get up to a year in prison for voting and you can get deported if you're a non-citizen to vote. is it really worth it to risk anything when you're unlikely to change an election? the legal power of migrants voting has been a political boogeyman for republicans.

federal law restricts such systemic purges within 90 days of an election. that's a reason why two lower courts ruled against virginia's plan until the supreme court overruled them all. when alabama tried this recently, it was not only too close to the election to do it, but there was also a 60% error rate in the state's purge list. legitimate voters were being removed from the votes. a judge blocked alabama's plan. the supreme court here allowed virginia's plan despite similar concerns. mika, i think you pinpointed the difference between virginia and alabama. in virginia you have same-day voter registration. so anyone blocked or booted from the rolls can still reregister on election day and vote via provisional ballot. >> that's certainly a good point there. jen, let's talk about hallie's package there.

pennsylvania, the most important state on the map, one that the harris team is quietly feeling pretty good about in recent days. perhaps as a tell to donald trump felt about it, he took to truth social and said there's widespread voter fraud in pennsylvania. talk to us about where you see the state of the race in that state, but also what these threats could do. >> everybody wants pennsylvania. let's state the obvious. huge number of electoral votes. it's on the east coast, so people will be watching it closely. it is also the state as we remember from four years ago was kind of the final decider. it's incredibly close. for the harris campaign and democrats you're making sure you get out the vote in philadelphia and the philadelphia suburbs and you can expand it as far as

possible into the suburbs. but also get the vote out within the city of philadelphia. you also have to not lose by large margins in some of the rural parts of the state. a big part of pennsylvania is rural. bill clinton and other surrogates have been making sure democrats are seen in these parts of the state. the chilling effect, this is their whole goal. the notion that people who are undocumented immigrants are going to vote illegally is not an actual thing. there's no indication it's going to be anything this year either. they are laying the groundwork so they can say the reason any of these states were won on the reason the election was won by kamala harris was because of something that's not a thing. that's what they were doing. what you were touching on there and i think people should be concerned about is them feeling

like their voice and their vote doesn't matter. that is what trump is trying to do. he's not trying to drive up the vote. he's trying to make people fear exercising their right. >> on that idea, dave, of perhaps voter suppression, let's talk about voter intimidation, which is something that i know is on the minds of many. the trump campaign sending out poll watchers, they say, to a number of balloting places that people feel like might try to actually turn away voters from casting their ballot. talk to us about that and any other legal challenges you see on the horizon here in the last five days. >> yeah. i'm in trump's back yard here, state attorney. i've heard reports of attempted voter intimidation at the polls. when police get involved and send us a filing packet, that's when we review it for potential felony charges. it is a felony in florida to threaten to stop people from

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you should not try to impact the right to vote. >> state attorney for palm beach county, florida, dave aronberg, thank you so much. earlier this week elon musk agreed with a post on x that warned voters to brace for economic hardship if donald trump is elected and carried out his policies before things to return to normal. joining us now coanchor of "squawk box" andrew ross sorkin. is he right? >> it was a fascinating moment of truth. there will be some form of hardship if in fact these plans go into place both in the context of the tariffs which we've talked endlessly about as taxes on the american people. even in trump's version of this, for some period of time, even if you believe that somehow on the other side one day in the future we have all of this manufactured on shore here in the u.s. but until then, there will be a tax on people. the other piece of it is if elon

musk is in charge of eliminating waste in the government -- and, again, that may be an ambitious goal, but even the way he's talked about doing it, it could mean there are millions of individuals who are employed currently by the government that will get fired and potentially get fired en masse very quickly. i think what he is referring to, again, his view of all this, there will be a hardship, because he believes on the other end there is a better world. but the cost of that better world, even if that's the case, is a very high-risk proposition. >> sounds like that's the plan. >> that is the plan. >> and the plan is bad for people who will suffer. that sounds like a plan that perhaps someone who is saying the other things that we're seeing elon musk and donald trump say, it kind of its a playbook, not hyperbole.

>> i want you to talk about the people, the many, many, many economists who do not think donald trump's plan is a good plan. >> look, i mean, i think the list is almost endless at this point of economists that have come forward and said that his plan is going to be potentially ruinous in certain cases. we're talking about economists. then there's "the economist" which is the magazine, by the way, a free trade, very business oriented. this is not considered some liberal bastian of anything. >> i did not see this coming. >> their endorsement -- now, i recognize they're an independent operation. they're technically based in the u.k. this is a publication that is historically been very much around free trade. might even be around conservatism to some degree. they're saying that they believe that the risk of donald trump is too high. >> i just want to say, it says

presidents do not have to be saints. and we hope that a second trump presidency would avoid disaster, but mr. trump poses an unacceptable risk to america and the world. if "the economist" had a vote, we would cast it for ms. harris. the impact of a trump presidency, the disastrous consequences of a trump presidency on our allies and on the world economy. don't comment. it's okay. i got you. we'll talk about starbucks another day. we ran out of time. >> it's okay. i'll come back and bring you starbucks too. >> i'm not allowed to have it. the taste is changing, so we need to talk. >> andrew, it's kind of incredible to me the deficit

under kamala harris' economic plan would be less than what donald trump's plan would yield. >> this, again, goes back to the mat currently, no matter how you the math, it is hard to justify trump on economic policies. i know there are lots of people who have disqualified him before they even got into the policies. i think enough for today. >> inspiration for the day. you can carry that around. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin, thank you very much. it's always good to see you. still ahead, we'll take a look at some of the important down-ballot races and the role of state legislatures in protecting democracy. "morning joe" is coming right back. ck here you go. is there anyway to get a better price on this? have you checked singlecare? before i pick up my prescription

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donald trump on the republican party is being felt all the way down the ballot this cycle. in several states republicans are running candidates who are not only staunch election deniers but were also in washington, d.c. on january 6th. pennsylvania state senator doug mastriano is expected to win his reelection bid. and republican mark fincham an election denier who lost arizona's secretary of state race two years ago is also expected to be elected to the state senate this november. this matters. let's bring in the president of the democratic legislative campaign committee heather williams. heather, tell us more about, about this i would call it a wave of republicans that are making sure they get in on every

level. >> it's great to be here with you this morning. i think the biggest take-away here is that the republican antics that we are seeing donald trump peddle is happening in our own back yard in the state legislatures. this brand of republican is not just trump. it is every member of this republican party running everywhere. that's why it's so critically important that people are paying attention to what's happening in their own back yard. >> rev. >> heather, i spent yesterday in las vegas and other parts of nevada. and there was a lot of emphasis on the down-ballot races, because people need to understand even if kamala harris is elected president, a lot of the policies that she would try to get through and has committed to can in many ways be tackled

or sandbagged by state office holders and, of course, people in the congress or the senate. talk about how there must be this in the last few days left, this dual strategy of telling people to vote at the top of the ticket, but you have to vote all the way down to empower the top of the ticket to have promises kept that promises were being made during the campaign. >> rev, that's such a great point. voting up and down the ballot is so critically important. and what we know about project 2025 and this republican agenda is that it is not solely contingent on putting donald trump in the white house. we know that these really, really terrible policies, these unpopular policies, these policies that question women, that question our communities are going to be run through the states. that's why it's so important that if people are getting ready to vote or may be voting now, that they are filling out the

entire ballot, because it matters. >> heather, it's jen psaki. thank you so much for being here and what you're doing. for people out there who are trying to focus on the races, the states that will determine the outcome in this presidential race and what could happen after. tell us a little bit more about, say, a state like michigan or pennsylvania. there are states that could really matter in these state legislative races and who controls the house or senate? >> jen, you hit it on the head, pennsylvania, michigan, battlegrounds, critically important on the path to the presidency, critically important for state legislature power. we won these majorities in 2022, and now we are here to defend them. we need a coalition all across the state to ensure that the republican maga agenda, that project 2025, is stopped in the states. >> president of the democratic legislative campaign committee

heather williams, thank you very much for joining us. and reverend al sharpton, thank you as well. reverend al's interview with president obama will air today on his radio show. before we go to break, just a really quick portion of "the economist" endorsing kamala harris. they go through all the risks of a trump presidency and they do not mince words about the stability of the united states, the chaos and the impact on the world and the economy. they are extremely clear that he is a danger on a global level. it ends like this. talking about kamala, she has ordinary shortcomings, none of them disqualifying. some of her policies are worse than their opponents, for example, her taste for regulation and for further taxing wealth cree ace. some are merely less bad on trade and the deficits, but some

on climate and abortion are unambiguously better. it is hard to imagine ms. harris being a stellar president, though people can surprise you. but you cannot imagine her bringing about a catastrophe. presidents do not have to be saints, and we hope that a second trump presidency would avoid disaster, but mr. trump poses an unacceptable risk to america and the world. if "the economist" had a vote, we would cast it for ms. harris. still ahead on "morning joe," a new fictional podcast tells the story of what could be our own reality if americans do not stand up to fascism. the stars of the audio series, john tur tur row and tony shalhoub join us straight ahead on "morning joe." t ahead on "morninjog e. oooh! refill?

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hey there. i'm louis. i'm talking to you from ontario, canada, in the sum of 2039. i made this documentary so i would understand how we ended up like this, living outside the usa. the family started falling apart around 2024, the same time the country was cracking up. >> there was a ground swell of support for what the great leader was promising, massive deportations, detention camps and an expanded border wall. >> is that now? it's part of the trailer for the podcast drama series "it happened here, 2024." the series is a fictional documentary from the future. offering a stark warning about the potential rise of fascism in

the united states. in it a 14-year-old girl in the year 2039 interviews her relatives about why her family and the country fell apart after the 2024 election. that's when the so-called great leader ascended to power with the help of the supreme court and the aftermath pits two brothers in the family against each other. joining us now are the actors who portray those brothers in the podcast series, john turturro and tony shalhoub. good to have you both. this is chilling. the timing couldn't be better. does it have to go the way your pad cast says? tell us about it. >> i don't think it has to go that way at all. this piece is a cautionary tale. the podcast sprung out of a

novel written just four years ago by rick dresser called "it happened here" and inspired by the sinclair lewis 1935 novel "it can't happen here." it's really a family drama which is what drew john and i to it. this family is splintered and there's a -- it starts with a teenage girl, a 14-year-old girl interviewing her family, as you said, in 2039. >> right. >> trying to figure out what happened, how the family splintered and how the country splintered starting in 2024. >> whoa. can you talk about which sides the brothers are on? john, who are you? >> i'm on the more right side. he's on the left side. he's a professor and i run a

security firm. you see how the roads they take -- you know how they splinter and how they connect. >> find common ground. >> it's common within a lot of families right now that there's this big divide because some people are responding to a much more base -- primitive argument i think, who are hurting, and they're not kind of thinking it through, you know, what could happen. history has shown us time and time again what could happen when people fall in love with sort of a leader who says i have the answers and, you know, that's something for all of us to think about. what are the ramifications of that? >> i think that's what rick dresser, the writer, and the director really were trying to billboard, and that is that, you

know, we have to look at it in terms of the long play and i think there's a problem where we get caught up in what's right in front of us, the immediate and we lose sight of -- i think people lose sight of, as john said, what is the long play? where are we going to find ourselves in 10, 15 maybe 20 years. >> that's right. >> that's what this piece does beautifully. >> you both have done very thoughtful work in your careers. do you feel that hollywood doesn't -- you know, this is sort of coming out for american democracy. do you feel this is a time in which actors are not -- cannot be brave or do you feel that more than ever it's a time for people in the creative community to be brave? >> i think a good story helps people sometimes better than a

good argument. people can argue, but you can't convince someone. get someone to think if you tell a story. sometimes they see themselves reflected in that story and i think that's helpful. you know, we're just citizens like everyone else. >> exactly. >> we're not experts. >> the new podcast drama series "it happened here 2024" is available now wherever you get your podcasts. john turturro and tony shalhoub, thank you so much. what a project, so timely. that does it for us this morning. ana cabrera picks up the coverage after a quick final break. just sleep. learn more and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com hi. i'm damian clark. i'm here to help you understand how to get the most from medicare. if

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