right now on "andrea mitchell reports," vice press harris and her campaign pouncing on these comments by donald

trump in green bay, wisconsin, wednesday. >> i want to protect the women of our country. i said, i'm going to do it whether the women like it or not. >> the harris campaign quickly posting that on social media. the vice president talking about it this morning. >> it actually is i think very offensive to women. this is just the latest on a series of reveals by the former president of how he thinks about women and their agency. >> the former president keeps trying to capitalize on president biden's gaff, suggesting trump supporters were garbage. >> my response to joe and kamala is simple. you can't lead america if you don't love americans. it's true. elon musk's lawyers in a philadelphia courtroom today trying to move the local d.a.'s

challenge to musk's million dollar voter registration lottery in pennsylvania to federal court. ♪♪ good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. happy halloween. the harris campaign is jumping on donald trump's latest remarks saying that he will protect women whether they like it or not. >> my people told me about four weeks ago, i would say, i want to protect the women of our country. sir, please don't say that. why? they said, we think it's very inappropriate for you to say. i said, well, i'm going to do it whether the women like it or not. i'm going to protect them from migrants coming in. i'm going to protect them from foreign countries that want to hit us with missiles and lots of other things. >> it actually is i think very

offensive to women in terms of not understanding their agency, their authority, their right and their ability to make decisions about their own lives, including their own bodies. he does not prioritize the freedom of women and the intelligence of women to make decisions about their own lives and bodies. i think it's offensive to everybody, by the way. >> it's an attack line that we are bound to hear harris repeating today. both candidates will be campaigning in arizona and nevada today. trump heading to new mexico, even though this recent years, it has voted democratic. this as the former president seized on president biden's gaff the other night, suggesting all trump supporters were, quote, garbage, by showing up at the trump rally in green bay, wisconsin, in a garbage truck, wearing an orange safety vest when he took the podium. harris using the opportunity to distance herself from biden saying she strongly disagrees

with any criticism of people based on whom they voted for. we begin in arizona with nbc's mike memoli in phoenix. vaughn hillyard in glendale. mike, this might be the last time we see harris out west rallying voters to get to the polls. the campaign is hoping that trump's remark about women and he will protect them whether they like it or not will take the spotlight off the garbage-gate issue. from my reporting, they think that the women's issue is a more important issue. at least the president's gaff gave them a chance to really separate themselves from joe biden, something they have been trying to do. >> reporter: as usual, you are right. the conversations i have been having with campaign officials for as long as i've been covering the campaign, more than a year, the biden campaign and now the harris campaign, we talk about the differences in driving the conversation in washington,

what is dominating the coverage nationally versus what they see and hear on the ground and what is breaking through with the key groups of voters they need to turn out on election day. you can't have a better example of that discussion than what we are seeing in the last 48 hours. yesterday, the harris campaign playing a little bit of defense over the president's comments about trump supporters or his misstatement about trump supporters. they did their best to stick to the closing argument we had seen from her the night before this washington. then today, they are seeing a prime opportunity to drive what has been one of their real motivating issues, galvanizing issues, abortion rights, to use the president's comment last night about women being -- needing to be protected, to really continue to amplify the conversation and their outreach to women voters. also not to be overlooked is what the conversation is also around health care. the biden campaign felt in 2018, they saw democrats down-ballot campaigning on protecting the

affordable care act when republicans were trying to repeal and replace it. speaker johnson now saying that republicans given the opportunity would try to do that again. listen to how the vice president seized on that issue as well today. >> it has been a part of donald trump's agenda for a very long time. he has dozens of attempts to get rid of the affordable care act. now we have further validation of that agenda from his supporter, the speaker of the house. the american people, regardless who they are voting for, no the importance of the affordable care act. >> reporter: we will likely hear the vice president bring that here to arizona as well as later today in nevada. we are learning more about what the priorities are on election eve itself. a signal of what they see as prime real estate politically. guess where they're going to be? philadelphia, pennsylvania. it's about pennsylvania on election day. >> we could have predicted that.

thank you so much. vaughn, let's talk about what donald trump's plan is to close out his campaign on monday. his claims of election cheating in pennsylvania, which have been completely unfounded. but he is making them anyway. >> reporter: right. donald trump has suggested there have been 2,600 fraudulent ballots cast in pennsylvania. let's be clear here. there's an investigation by a district attorney into potentially 2,600 fraudulent voter registration forms. there's no evidence that any of these individuals have actually cast ballots. donald trump is already casting a shadow over this four days out that it is being by democrats an effort to sabotage through cheating. of course, we saw yesterday that in pennsylvania, a judge ordered that mail-in voting applications be extended through tomorrow in pennsylvania. there are videos of people being

turned away from lines. there's a lot we will see across the battleground states. at this point in time, there's no evidence that any american voter has been -- that their right to vote has been turned away. they have through election day to do that. for donald trump here, he is making his stop in arizona today, he is going to visit the suburbs of las vegas as well as holding a campaign rally in new mexico. we are told this is his last west coast swing here of the 2024 presidential campaign. we also are now learning that he is going to be making four campaign stops this upcoming monday on election eve. his last rally will be in grand rapids, michigan, which echos a tradition for him. in 2016 and 2020, he had his final campaign election day eve rallies in grand rapids. for donald trump, you and mike were talking about the affordable helm care here becoming at the forefront of the

conversation. donald trump in the last few moments directly responding to that. look at a post of his on his truth social account in which he writes in part, lying kamala is saying i want to end the affordable care act. i never mentioned that. of course, donald trump was behind legislation that john mccain's ultimate no vote along with susan collins and lisa murkowski kept them from overturning it. it was his administration that signed on in a legal brief in an effort to overturn the affordable care act through the courts during his first term as well. now he says that he wants to replace it with something better. as we heard from the debate with kamala harris, he has concepts but the republican nominee has not presented an alternative. >> yeah. it was the exclusive nbc reporting by our colleague sahil

kapur who has the memo electric -- from mike johnson how they want to do exactly that. mike memoli, vaughn hillyard, thanks to both of you. here with me now, alencia johnson and chief impact officer of 1063 west broad, and mark short, former chief of staff to vice president mike pence. welcome both. a lot to chew over. it's not surprising that the two campaigns are going at each other. trump in the garbage truck, of course, the most memorable visual of this. harris is jumping on the women's comments. they clearly feel that if they can get all of their women out there and communicate to women, which they're trying to do in the grass-roots effort, that it's a secret ballot. they can go against their husband or partner if that's the issue. perhaps some other places.

women don't have to tell anyone how they are voting. they think if they can get women out, they can squeak through. >> i think there's reporting that shows and polling of young women, abortion is rising to the top issue. it is -- we hear from different reporters who have talked to some of these women about the fact that they want to vote for harris. they can't convince their husbands to. they will go into the ballot box and cancel out his vote. i think what vice president harris is doing and the harris campaign is doing is using a message that actually works. this is empowering women, telling women, you can stand up for your rights. donald trump is saying he is going to protect women, even though he said women don't want him to say that. they have seen the policies that he supports. on the contrast, a vote for vice president harris is a vote to restore reproductive freedom. it's a vote to expand access to

opportunities for women. that message, i think, is moving a lot of women. especially some who don't want to vote for donald trump. >> in these last months, in the last week and at the rnc, he really -- trump seems to be doubling down on the appeal to men. hulk hogan, the madison square garden rally, the rhetoric there. i'm wondering, what do you think is more damaging in everything that's evolved on the garbage front, if you could say it? the biden gaff and the rest. what is more damaging, madison square garden, which was lewd and vulgar and offensive to perhaps a lot of voters, or the joe biden gaff, which was compared to what hillary clinton did in 2016 calling trump supporters deplorables? >> i don't know how much really makes a difference at the end of the day. i think that so much is baked in

that not many voters are still undecided. i do think that biden's comments do resurrect the hillary clinton comments about deplorables. but i feel like there isn't as much actually about substance right now at the end. it's a style campaign difference. >> does the puerto rican comment -- >> it's not helpful. don't get me wrong. >> does that move votes in pennsylvania, for instance, where you have half a million latino and particularly 300,000 puerto ricans? >> i think most people made up their mind about donald trump. i think probably the one that's likely helpful is senator scott in florida, because there's a large puerto rican population there. that's not what he wants to focus on the last week of his campaign. i'm not sure how much it makes a difference in the presidential level. i'm not telling you it's helpful. you don't want to comment that in the last week. i don't know how many people are undecided.

>> regarding the women's vote and gender gap, it's -- we have never seen a gender gap like this. it's striking. there are a couple of cross currents here. it's largely dobbs that energized women voters. i have been doing reporting and was talking to an expert in wichita, kansas, at wichita state, an academic pointing out there are a lot of trep trends. more women are college-educated voters than men. the college-educated voters tend to be more democratic than not. there's also trends among young men under 35 to be more conservative, more concerned about losing what they have, feeling vulnerable. all of these trends are coming together at the same time. >> then you have this culture that donald trump has brought into our society, this toxic masculinity capitalizing --

>> he is laughing. >> listen, i'm listening to these conversations that are happening. this bravado display of masculinity on top of some of the trends as well, which is why you see donald trump doubling down with some of that rhetoric and going to the podcasts. >> he thinks it works. that's what the rnc was about. >> i would consider that. there's more women that vote than men. particularly in some of the swing districts, suburban america. it's probably counterproductive. masculinity is toxic? that's loaded terminology. i think that if that's a strategy, that we're going to drive up the male vote, i think it's a disadvantage. there's more women voters. in the polling, he is suffering there. >> i think the toxicity that's coming out, the groping comments, the daddy is going home to spank the little girl that tucker carlson is saying,

all these things on top of women are more educated as their rights are being taken away. i understand why the gender gap is widened. it's going to be something to deal with post the election. >> let me ask you a final question. do you both see the battleground states are basically tied within the margin of error going into election day? >> i do see them tied right now. >> i think that trump has solidified his lead in the sunbelt. she has advantage in the blue wall states. something that's missing in the data is people are enthusiastic about the republican turnout early vote. but it's against what baseline? in 2020 they were told it's frud -- fraudulent to vote early. there's more evidence there's republicans crossing over than democrats. you are looking at republican numbers, but i'm not sure that tells a full story. >> not necessarily a trump vote. >> all that matters is who wins

on election day. >> it could be election week. we don't know. >> that's right. >> great to see you. thank you so much. coming up, a programming note. tomorrow, msnbc reports will bring you coverage of decision 2024. kicking it off at 10:00 eastern. we will pick it up at noon. tune in tomorrow on msnbc, four hours, 12:00 to 4:00. the latest from philadelphia where elon musk's million dollar election giveaway is under new legal scrutiny. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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breaking news. the world's richest man, his lawyers in a philadelphia courtroom today, trying to move the local district attorney's challenge to musk's pennsylvania voter lottery to federal court where he could get perhaps a more favorable hearing. joining us now, legal correspondent lisa rubin from the philadelphia courthouse just outside city hall. what happened? >> reporter: late last night, in anticipation of this hearing at which elon musk had been ordered to appear, he and his america pac filed a notice of removal to federal court, effectively moving the case from state court

to federal court. philadelphia district attorney larry krazner hoped to leave this courthouse behind with an injunction in hand that would prevent musk and america pac from giving away the $1 million giveaway as he has done. instead, they are back to square one. the case has been transferred to federal court. the state court judge here during a hearing patiently heard complaints from the lawyers. determined that his hands were tied. by filing the notice of removal, that pressed cause legally on the state court proceedings. it's up to the d.a. to decide, does he want to seek emergency relief to enjoin musk or prevent him from giving away more $1 million awards? or is he going to try to convince that court to send it back right here in hopes of getting some relief before election day some we don't know what they're going to do. for right now, the case is effectively in the federal court.

>> thank you very much. donald trump's baseless claims of election fraud in pennsylvania, before the votes are counted, are coming on top of a flood of disinformation and deepfakes online. many amplified by foreign adversaries. ryan nobles explains the role that a.i. is playing and the pressure that law enforcement and election officials are under. >> reporter: earlier this month, the fbi believes russian actors built a fake video that made it look like trump mail-in ballots were getting destroyed. in 2020, the internet wal filled with inaccurate claims about the arizona vote counting process. in 2024, secretary of state fontez created a deepfake video of himself to demonstrate the internet can't always be trusted. his team is showing voters how their process works to prevent the spread of conspiracy theories. >> i think the bad guys want us to disbelieve one another.

>> reporter: foreign adversaries are amplifying the false videos. there's no evidence they lacked into infrastructure. tom costello spoke to the director. >> whoever you vote for, you can have confidence your vote will be counted as cast. >> reporter: it's easy to spread false information and more difficult to reign it in. especially with artificial intelligence making it easier to create fake videos that look real. it would allow you to take a video of me, which looks real, or like me, here in this bed, or sitting cross-legged on a yoga mat. that was generated by a computer program. >> i think i'm talking to the real ryan nobles, nbc news correspondent joining us. are officials getting better and fending off the threats? >> reporter: first of all, it's the real me. perhaps that's what an artificial intelligence version would say. i think there's two issues that

we have to keep -- be mindful of during this election season. of course, there is this proliferation of misinformation and deepfakes. there's the threat to the election systems themselves. it does appear that election officials across the country have done a very good job of hardening their security systems to make sure that foreign actors or just bad actors in general can't hack into the system to manipulate the vote or stand in the way of people casting their ballots. people should feel very comfortable that if they cast their ballot, it will be counted. on the other end, the proliferation of information that is spread across the platforms, the social media platforms, is almost impossible to reign in on any serious level. it is up to the individual voter to be very skeptical of things they are seeing online and make an informed decision. you see they are concerned about not just the ballot process, the election itself and leading up

to the vote next tuesday, but the counting process after the fact. one errant fake video could undermine the integrity of the process and could interrupt the peaceful transfer of power. >> it could -- a fake video could keep people from going to the polls on election day. or in early voting. the possibilities are scary. thank you so much, ryan. we appreciate you being all over this story, you and your artificially intelligence generated double. thank you. next, democrats searching for disengaged voters who could make the difference in a razor-thin race in wisconsin. a look at the senate state in nevada, where democratic senator jackie rosen is hoping a bipartisan record will help her win re-election. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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in battleground wisconsin, if you are in milwaukee, you won't just see trick-or-treat trick-or-treaters but door knockers. they are launching a get out of vote effort to turn out reliable voters who seem to have vanished in recent elections. joining me now, shaquille brewster in milwaukee. he is following a grass-roots group.

shaq, it's great to see you. milwaukee has been a reliable group of democratic voters. that vote was narrow last time for the democrats. they need wisconsin. >> reporter: that's exactly right. one consistent thing about wisconsin is you will have narrow margins. that's why you have groups like the one you see out here. they are going door to door in this neighborhood because the pattern became a problem in 2016 is that when we know the margin was 23,000 votes, there were more than 40,000 voters in just this city that just didn't show up. democrats got the overwhelming margin, but there were fewer people to come and help add that vote to hillary clinton. these groups are out. they're knocking on doors. they are educating voters, reminding them where the polling locations are. they try to convince people to show up on election day and

during this early voting period. i asked, what is your message when they say that they just don't want to engage? listen to what the lead organizer told me. >> no matter if you feel like -- however you feel, just get out and use your voice. you not voting is throwing away your voice. people need to hear you. you have the right to go vote. use it. use it wisely. if you want the difference, you have to make the difference yourself. >> reporter: look, what we see so far in early voting data is that the city of milwaukee is trailing the turnout so far in what you are seeing statewide by a couple percentage points. i talked to the harris campaign about that here in wisconsin. they are aware. that's why you are seeing this effort in these closing days of the campaign. we are talking about former president bill clinton here in milwaukee today. vice president harris coming tomorrow with big names.

cardi b. will speak. you will have a big push to get out the vote on the campaign side. you have these organizations going door to door to remind folks of the importance of the election and to make sure if they voted in the past, they should vote in this one as well. >> it's all about turnout. that's what the democrats say they need to do. and republicans are countering it with elon musk and a lot of those superpacs. both candidates taking their campaigns to nevada. donald trump is in henderson outside las vegas. kamala harris will be in reno and las vegas where she's going to be joined by jennifer lopez, who is puerto rican and would almost certainly be hitting on the trump puerto rico controversy. nevada is home to a senate race where democrat jacky rosen is

facing sam brown. he is a former army captain. a race that could control -- could determine control of the senate. senator rosen joins us now. it's a tight race. you appear to be holding to a lead. talk to me about nevada. you have a lot of low wage union culinary union and other service workers, especially in las vegas. >> well, yes. you are right. >> they are concerned about kitchen table issues, housing? >> yeah. you know what? nevada is a strong union state. nevada is a battleground state. exactly to your point, our culinary union, which i was a member of. i put myself through college as a waitress. go culinary 226. that job helped me pay for college and helped me get a good start. we have strong labor movement there. they are out there knocking on the doors.

the momentum is there. we just have to be sure that we get out our message, whether it's for vice president harris and myself. let me tell you a little bit about nevada. nevada is a purple state. races are always tight. races are always tough. the choices between me and sam brown, particularly for senate, do they want a pragmatic problem softer, one who has 90% of the bills i introduced bipartisan, one of the most bipartisan effective senators or a texas maga stubborn extremist who only moved here to run for senate that will take away a woman's freedom, take away health care, take away senior benefits? that's what's on the line? do you want a positive, hopeful future or someone that will take it all away? if you want to help us, get out. chip in and help us mobilize. >> senator, i was going to ask you about the drag that the economic issues are potentially for you, which is ironic,

because "the wall street journal" has a headline today that the economy -- we are the best economy in the world with the latest data. yet, the unemployment in nevada is the highest in the country. in las vegas in particular, it's 5.9%, at least in september. it's higher than the national average. that's a problem, right? >> i can tell you that we were hit hardest during the pandemic when we had to close up our tourism industry. we brought billions of dollars -- i brought billions of dollars to nevada over the last few years for economic development. we are bringing a train here to connect california to las vegas. billions of dollars of economic impact, tens of thousands of union jobs. we have more solar jobs per capita than any other state. we are building a v.a. hospital in northern nevada. the jobs are coming. we have made investments. we have more to do. we understand here in particular

that albertsons and kroger want to merge. if we let them merge, it will reduce competition and allow them to price gouge. we also have corporate investors that have come in during some tough times in nevada, bought up inventory and now they are jacking up the prices on rent and on homes. i have introduced legislation to hold them accountable. we have to work on lowering prices. we have done that for seniors when it comes to pharmaceuticals, $35 insulin, bringing all that negotiation down billions of dollars back into the pockets of seniors and medicare. my opponent wants to take that away. he was a pharmacy benefit manager. we understand why he said it's a loss for the american people and he would rip it out of seniors' hands. the economic issues are real. we have to continue to work on expanding jobs and lowering costs. that's what we're going to do. >> you have about 30% of the

population that are hispanic. how might the puerto rico comments from donald trump sunday night affect that vote? >> i can tell you that we have a vibrant and engaging latino community here in nevada. about 30% of our population. they are strong entrepreneurs. they are invested in every single part of our community. let me tell you, when somebody speaks against any group, it's unacceptable. i can tell you this, sam brown, my opponent, he failed to condemn these comments. we can't allow hate to continue to pervade our country. you have to stand up wherever it comes from, left, right, or center. sam brown won't do that when it comes to our latino community. they are very upset about it. they also know that we have to continue to invest in them, their small businesses, education, our economy for our fabulous latino community to

thrive here in nevada. >> senator rosen, thanks for taking the time. of course want to note, we reached out to senator -- or rather to the opponent, sam brown, for an interview. we hope to hear back from him. thank you, senator. coming up, historians for harris pushing back on donald trump who they call openly hostile to democracy. that's coming next on "andrea mitchell reports." you are watching it on msnbc. time to press rewind with... neutrogena rapid wrinkle repair. it has derm-proven retinol... ...expertly formulated... ...to target skin cell turnover... ...and fights not one—but 5 signs of aging. with visible results... ...in just one week. neutrogena

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hundreds of his tore kwator endorsed kamala harris. the historians for harris write, as american historians, we are alarmed by the impending ee election. we believe the nation stands at a historical crossroads. regardless of party affiliation, vote for kamala harris and tim walz. joining me now is jonathan alter, one of the historians who signed it. >> great to see you. >> we are excited about this. it's your new book "american reckoning, inside trump's trial." last time i saw you was in the courtroom.

you were every day. >> every day. >> here you have written about not just the trial but how it changed you, yourself. >> it's a very personal story. it's almost a cry from the heart. i think it does represent the views of a lot of people. what i try to do is in a very, very small book put everything that is dangerous about this man and to explain to people that the issues are important. but our whole democracy is truly on the line in this election. i want people to get this in the hands of not a maga supporter but maybe a relative who is not sure whether they're going to vote or they are upset with harris about this or that and they are not grasping the stakes. it needs to move to stakes coverage, not just horse race coverage. so everybody understands that this election is about, do we

live in an autocracy or democracy? that's an exaggeration. donald trump has made it very clear that he wants to be a strongman. he said it over and over and over again. he is a putin want to be. the people around him when he was president they are saying as loud as they can -- we saw it this morning with admiral craven, who got bin laden. he is echoing what others are saying. this man is dangerous. he must be stopped. it's not just historians who have rated him the worst president in american history. it's a lot of other people who worked with donald trump and understand that everybody has to get out there and make sure that he is not returned to office. >> you wrote in "the new york times" an opinion piece that the

outcome is likely to be divided government. you are endorsing harris in part because you are talking about the importance of guardrails as well. >> yes. >> checks and balances. >> we have to have these guardrails. i'm not sure how it's going to come out. there could be a democratic sweep, a republican sweep i think would be very dangerous. trump emboldened by the supreme court would not be bound by anything. that's a scary thing for a democracy. in american reckoning, i not only cover the trial, which wasn't televised, so i'm providing new information about that and about how nancy pelosi maneuvered joe biden. but i also -- i have a section called, we do our part. what that reflects is that franklin roosevelt in 1933, trying to get people to help end

the depression, he asked them to put a decal in their windows. millions did. it was a blue eagle and underneath it said, we do our part. what is all of our part? my part is to bear witness as a writer. a lot of other people, they can get out there and use call tools to call into battleground states. instead of wringing their hands, ring doorbells. there's a lot do between now and the election to protect democracy. i think back to my late father and george h.w. bush who enlisted after pearl harbor. both were shot down during world war ii. they didn't get to choose when they were asked to go defend democracy. we don't get to choose when we're asked to defend democracy. we just have to do it. this is not a drill. i just would urge anybody out there watching, you have a lot of viewers.

if they took part in trying to protect our democracy between now and tuesday, it truly could make the difference. >> very briefly, the trump people -- a lot of trump supporters will say, we know what he is saying, but he didn't do that when he was in -- he didn't destroy the constitution when he was president. what do you say to them about the concerns that general milley and others have expressed, certainly in bob woodward's reporting? >> he did do -- he was repeatedly doing things that -- trying to do things that violate the constitution. talking about shooting peaceful protesters in the legs. his people restrained him. he had some level-headed people around him. those people will all be gone. it will be his lackeys who are here in a second term. you have got -- when you have the former chairman of the joint

chiefs, the former chief of staff saying this man is a fascist, you've got to pay attention to that. you have to assume that they know what they're talking about. there are dozens of other people who worked for him who say he is dangerous. voters have to listen to this and protect our democracy or we're going to have an autocracy. we will have a dictator very, very soon. the stakes are enormously high. >> jonathan alter, good to see you. thank you very much. >> thanks, andrea. up next, key white house negotiators joining the cia director in egypt as they press for a cease-fire deal in the middle east. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. your memory is an amazing thing, but sometimes it can start to slow down. but did you know prevagen can help keep your memory sharp? the secret is the powerful ingredient, apoaequorin, originally discovered in jellyfish and found only in prevagen. in a clinical study,

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lebanon, resume talks to bring home the hostages that are in gaza and also iran's threats to retaliate now against israel. joining me now is leon panetta. former white house chief of staff for president clinton. mr. secretary, how likely is it that israel is going to pull back and permit a diplomatic solution in lebanon, which is what the u.s. is pressing so hard for? >> well, you know, i think that israel having done a pretty good job at restoring its deterrence of both with hezbollah as well as hamas and obviously the attack on iran that they've now got to recognize that military action alone is not going to resolve this issue, and that they do need to engage in a diplomatic effort, and for that

reason i think it's important for the united states and our allies in that region to continue to work to try to push for some kind of temporary ceasefire, the exchange of hostages that is so critical right now, the humanitarian aid that's also critical for that area and the ability to kind of at least lay the groundwork for how gaza ultimately will be governed and secured. that has to happen through diplomacy. it's not going to happen through military action. so i'm hoping that ultimately israel will agree to some kind of approach to a ceasefire. >> and in terms of gaza, that humanitarian aid is not only not getting in, but the israeli parliament has just voted the new legislation to block the agency -- the u.n. agency, they're the only agency that has been able to get into the interiors there, plus they're

attacking again overnight a hospital now with grievous civilian injuries. as the jordanian foreign minister said to secretary blinken's face on monday when i was traveling back with him, israel doesn't seem to be listening to anyone. why don't we have more leverage? >> well, the one thing is we can't give up. i give credit to the secretary of state for his trips. i give credit to the president for continuing to push. look, we have made a difference. believe it or not, i think because the united states' pressure and our relationship and the support we provide we were successful at getting past ceasefires. we were successful at getting exchanges of hostages. we were successful at having israel go after military targets in iran. so i think it is important for the united states to continue to

pushes rail to move toward some kind of ceasefire. i think ultimately it will happen and it may take some time, but the fact is that it does pay off to put pressure on israel. >> some people are suggesting that the calls that have been continuous from donald trump and to benjamin netanyahu, back and forth, maybe that netanyahu is just waiting to see if donald trump wins before deciding what he's going to do. do you agree with that? >> well, it's hard not to agree with that because, you know, netanyahu will try to look at what the political situation is like in the united states in order to determine his own actions, and therefore, i think there's probably every expectation that israel will not step forward until we get past the election next tuesday.

it's one of the realities of dealing with the politics of the middle east that they do pay attention to what the united states does in terms of electing its leadership. >> do you think that israel's successful elimination of the hezbollah leader, the hamas leader in iran, what they've done to degrade the air defenses in iran has re-established their deterrence after the disastrous surprise attack on october 7th which they were completely caught off guard. do you think that there is a way to not escalate that into a wider war that maybe iran will do a token response, but not escalate further? >> obviously, there is also the danger that we'll see an expanded war in that region, but i think as a result of israel establishing its deterrence, going after hezbollah's leadership very successfully,

going after hamas' leadership and then the attack that was made and was limited in responding to iran's attack, i think this is a moment in time where there is an opportunity for all of the participants and what's happening in the middle east to recognize that there is a better way out if they can resolve some of the issues and if they can't agree on a ceasefire and have a hostage exchange and if they can agree to some kind of diplomatic approach that will deal with the issue of how palestinians are going to govern themselves in the future. it's ultimately going to be dependent on all of the parties agreeing to that approach that i think will provide a peaceful resolution to what's happening in the middle east. >> former secretary leon panetta, thank you so much for

being with us today. appreciate it. >> good to be with you. >> and that does it for edition of "andrea mitchell reports reports" and remember to watch highlights of the show any time on youtube, just go to msnbc.com/andrea. "chris jansing reports" starts after a short break. short break.

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