♪♪ hi, everyone. 4:00 in new york. in a few moments, vice president kamala harris will speak in phoenix, arizona, as part of a tour of western battleground states she's making today. she will speak to our colleague, yamiche alcindor. we will bring that to you live when it happens. we begin with a quote from donald trump. he said this, whether you like it or not, on the night before halloween, trump resorting to scare tactics as part of his

closing argument to the women of america. there's no way to describe just how ominous and frankly creepy donald trump's comments were at his rally about women. in wisconsin last night. here they are, the disgraced convicted, four times indicted, liable for sexual abuse and defamation ex-president in his own words. >> i want to protect the women of our country. sir, please don't say that. why? we think it's very inappropriate for you to say. i'm president. i want to protect the women of our country. they said, sir, i think it's inappropriate for you to say. i pay these guys a lot of money. can you believe it? i'm going to do it whether the women like it or not. >> so much. right? first of all, you are not

president. second, how bad is it that your team says it's inappropriate? third, like it or not, we don't like it. the trump campaign is speaking to spin the comments about saying he is protecting women from the border or something. trump lets the mask slip and gives it all away when he says his advisors tell him not to say he wants to protect the women. his campaign knows his creepy claim to protect the women is failing in the face of of a

-- okay. trump's claim to protect women -- wait a minute. let me go back to that. who is afraid to say the whole thing? communist. no one. trump's claim to protect women flies in the face of his years-long history of misogyny. dozens of claims and allegations of sexual misconduct, disdain and pride in taking away women's rights to make choices about our bodies.

>> you say this is very famous in this video, i just start kissing them. it's like a magnet. just kiss. i don't even wait. when you are a star, they let you do it. you can do anything, grab them by the [ bleep ]. you can do anything. that's what you said? >> that's true with stars. >> it's true with stars that they can grab women by the [ bleep ]? if you look over the last million years, i guess that's been largely true. not always, but largely true. unfortunately, or fortunately. >> you consider yourself to be a star? >> i think you can say that, yeah. >> when you were running for president -- >> but you are -- >> do you believe in punishment

for abortion? >> there has to be some form. >> for the woman? >> yeah. >> you will be protected. i will be your protector. women will be happy, healthy, confident and free. you will no longer be thinking about abortion. >> so much to unpack. for a million years the dinosaurs and i have been grabbing -- it's insane. there's good news. luckily for women and men disgusted by all or any of that, there's a real choice in this election. here is what vice president harris has to say about it. >> i will comment on the former president, donald trump's remark

about women and whether they like it or not. listen, it's just -- it actually is very offensive to women in terms of not understanding their agency, their authority, their right and their ability to make decisions about their own lives, including their own bodies. this is just the latest on a series of reveals by the former president of how he thinks about women and their agency. whether he has said as he has that women should be punished for their choices, whether he has talked about his pride in taking away a fundamental right from women, whether it be how he has actually created a situation in america where one in three women lives in a trump abortion banned state and has legal restrictions on the right she rightly should have to make decisions about her own body. >> that is where we start today

with elizabeth warren of massachusetts. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> i worked on campaigns. in the closing days, you are usually presenting your message with everything you've got. the other side is pushing back. i have never seen a campaign where you are making this message about what you will do to protect women's right to make their own choices and donald trump is the one saying, i will force them whether they want to or not. what do you make of how this is coming down to the wire? >> when donald trump says that he will protect women whether they like it or not, this isn't about protection. this is about control. no abuser starts out by telling a woman, i want control. they start out by saying, it's going to be great. i'm going to protect you. i'm going to take care of you.

i will make your decisions, i will make sure what happens in your life. that they will seize control over the most important decisions you make. donald trump is being donald trump. he is showing us what a serial abuser does. he wants to have that kind of power over women all across this country. for every woman for whom that sends a chill down your spine, for yourself, for your sister, for your daughter, for your cousin, for your next door neighbor, know that between now and november 5th, donald trump doesn't have the power, you have the power. you have the ability to go to the polls and say no to donald trump. you have the power to do that. if you have voted, you also have the power to bring more people to the polls, to volunteer, to

make sure that your cousin and your sister and your neighbor all make it to the polls. donald trump has put one of the central questions of this campaign right in front of us. are we going to elect a serial abuser who wants to control people whether they like it or not who wants to make those decisions about their bodies, about how they live their lives, or are we going to take this power in a democracy and say no to a petty tyrant and abuser like donald trump and use our power to vote for kamala harris? he is making the case for the contrast between the two. >> the polls suggest there could be an unprecedented realignment. i view this -- i have covered it now for nine years. this is the first nonpartisan election in my lifetime. we're not choosing between

democratic things and republican things. you are choosing between vice president kamala harris, who will protect not just women but the democratic system itself and someone whose policies are so extreme, liz cheney has come out against donald trump on the issue of abortion by making the point that the trump, "the post" dobbs bans are killing women. here is vice president kamala harris talking about some of that. >> here today is shanette williams, the woman of amber nicole thurman. a vibrant -- we must speak her name. i promised her mother i would speak her name. a vibrant 28-year-old mother of a 6-year-old son who died a preventable death because of george's abortion ban. now they are courageously

sharing amber's story to make sure we all remember her as more than a statistic. she was loved. she should be alive today. listen, we're all here because we know the reality is, for every story we hear about, about the suffering because of a trump abortion ban, there are so many stories we have never heard. an untold number of women and the people would love them who are silently suffering. women who are being made to feel as though they did something wrong, as though they are criminals, as though they are alone. to those women i say -- i think i speak on behalf of all of us,

we see you and we are here with you. >> amber left behind a son. amber's story is so harrowing for its potential universality, anyone having a complication in a miscarriage could be where she is. are you curious or willing to take a position as to whether or not there aren't more men than we are predicting who care that pregnancy, especially who already has children, may be deeply concerned about this, too? >> you know, i'm glad you raise this. obviously, a huge part of this is directed at women, saying to women, exercise your power now while you have a chance to do this. understand, it's not just women. it's also friends of women, the men who care about the women in their lives, the men who care

about their sisters, their wives, their daughters, their friends, their co-workers. no one benefits from abuse except the abuser. no one wants to see this. people want the autonomy to make their own decisions. they want to decide the direction of their lives. that's what we can do between now and election day by voting in kamala harris. she's there. you heard her language. to build opportunity for everyone. donald trump is not. it is all of the piece when he says that he wants to be dictator for a day, it's another point about control. when he says he wants to punish women who have had abortions, women who haven't done what donald trump wanted, he is telling you, he wants control. he wants control over everyone else.

we make the decision, will he get that control or not? we can decide between now and november 5th, no, he will not get that control. we need women to speak out, we need men to speak out, we need everyone to speak out. they speak out by voting and getting their friends to vote. >> the closing message on the other side is also historic and unprecedented. it's a tripling and quadrupling down on things that even fox news anchors try to get trump to say, you don't really mean this stuff about prosecuting your enemies. yes, i do. when you hear enemies within and you hear trump talk about going after democrats and election officials and journalists and judges, do you feel concerned or scared? >> i feel deeply concerned when i hear that. because he is talking about unraveling our democracy. he is talking about no more

transition of power. it all belongs to trump. everyone, everyone in this country must bend a knee to trump. that's his underlying message here. that's why it's so important that we fight back while we have the chance to do that. that we use this vote on november 5th in 2024 to say no to the would-be tyrant. >> senator elizabeth warren, thank you very much for taking the time to start us off today. it's great to see you. >> thank you. good to see you, too. let's bring into our coverage, erin haines, and host of the podcast the amendment, also joining us senior advisor to planned parenthood wendy davis and at the table, democratic strategist, basil

smiekle. it's normal to say we want to protect women's health. in this case, the facts are so flagrantly and obviously and known to be against the republican argument that you have trump up there at podium saying, i'm saying stuff no one wants me to say, but here you go, as he staggers into a garbage truck. what do you make of the opportunity vice president kamala harris has in these final days to really make sure people understand the stakes on tuesday? >> thank you for having me. it was really wonderful to see vice president harris come to texas as part of the closing days of her campaign. because she understands that no state has seen the kind of outtall like texas has.

we saw a report, thanks to the reporting propublica who has done a lot of research through hospital records, trying to determine what the human consequences of the abortion ban in texas and elsewhere have meant. we just had a story come out yesterday about a woman who was 28 years old, also a mother to a young daughter who lost her life when she was refused miscarriage care by a texas hospital and a texas doctor. we all know that the fault does not lie with those medical professionals. the fault lies with donald trump and other republicans here in our state, like ted cruz, who have worked so hard to take these freedoms from us. we know there's a deadly consequence to what they have

done. we know all too well that donald trump is not a protector. he is our greatest threat. women's lives have never been under threat in the way that they are right now. in the year 2024, we are seeing women die or nearly die as a consequence of the fact that men have made a decision to control our bodies, control our freedoms, and control our future. i think that vice president harris is doing an incredible job delivering that message in these closing days. it's a key message for her as she drives home with women and men, we cannot afford to sit this out. we cannot afford to vote for donald trump again. we know what the future looks like. texas is ground zero to demonstrate that. >> so crew. so many of the women, the brave women we had a chance to talk to, have suffered under the draconian bans there. erin, i want to read the

propublica reporting.

this is america under donald trump's abortion bans. this is something i think that our generations grew up thinking women fought for and spared us from. this is america now. this will be america for generations to come if donald trump wins. >> this is yet another devastating story of a young mother who should be here but for the post dobbs landscape that the former president has proudly claimed credit for. he said that he could go further should he gain power again. i have said it before and i will say it again. women are going to be the deciders of this election. this election was always about gender being on the ballot, abortion on the ballot. that's not changed for women. what has changed? this is the first presidential

election since the supreme court dobbs decision ended federal protection for abortion. the first presidential election since we have seen the former president in a courtroom faces allegations of sexual misconduct. to hear him reminding them he is somebody, as you showed in the tape, literally has talked about forcing himself on women, is remarkable. to now claim for somebody who talked about punishing women, to now say he is going to be a protector, what impact is this going to have? for so many women, the dobbs decision was his misogyny as policy. that wasn't a deal breaker for a lot of women who supported him. he wasn't running against a woman then who was making clear the stakes and the contrast between the two of them. some of the women that were at that rally where he made that remark were cheering. this is a choice.

american voters, not just women but men, lgbtq+ people for whom gender has been weaponized in our politics, they are all deciding whether his remarks are not just offensive but whether they want somebody who says and does the things that he has about them to be president again. making policy that's going to impact not just their lives but the lives of women and girls for generations to come. >> we will bring basil in on this. i have to sneak in a break first. we will show you how trump's allies on the right view us women today. they are mad a woman who have the sheer audacity to vote how she wants for whomever she wants. that happened. we will show it to you. we will see the vice president rallying for the latino vote in arizona. she will speak exclusively with our colleague at nbc news, yamiche alcindor. those stories and more when "deadline white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. t go anywhere.

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in the one place in america where women have a right to choose. you can vote any way you want. and no one will ever know. >> did you make the right choice? >> sure did, honey. >> remember, what happens in the booth stays in the booth. vote harris-walz. >> that was julia roberts in a new ad boosting one of the closing messages of the harris campaign, that your maga-supporting husband doesn't have to know if you decide not to vote for the guy bragging

about overturning roe versus wade and grabbing women. that message is freaking out the right, especially its most fragile men. they are having meltdowns on their podcasts and tv shows. here is charlie kirk. >> she needs people to lie to their husbands. it's the embodiment of the downfall of the american family. it's so gross. it's just nauseating. this wife is wearing -- they wear the american hat. she's coming in with her husband who probably works his tail off to make sure she can have a nice life and provides for the family. she lies to him saying, i'm going to vote for trump and votes for harris. >> i didn't know there were men that still thought that women never faked anything. listen to this.

i have to show you one more thing. this is jesse waters who can't believe women would actually think for themselves. >> if i found out emma was going into the voting booth and pulling the lever for harris, that's the same thing as having an affair. it violates the sanctity of our marriage. what else is she keeping from me? >> exactly. >> why would she have to lie to you? why would she lie? have you threatened her? >> they want me to tease. >> why would she do that and vote harris? i caught her. then she said, i lied to you for the last four years. >> you intimidate? >> it's over, emma. >> it's amazing how he basically said she would be cheating on him if she did something i didn't want her to do, like cast

a vote for someone i didn't care for. the other p word is patriarchy. that has to end. that's one -- i have to say this. kamala harris and that campaign are extraordinary at baiting donald trump. they are extraordinary at that. that ad -- for that ad to have brought out that level of anchor. >> and panic. >> for them to say, how dare the woman in my household do something i don't want her to do, it goes -- it goes right back into everything elizabeth warren said. it's all about control. it is all about control. it's all about -- it's not about having agency, showing authority or body sovereignty if you are a woman in that household. the fact that that commercial airs suggests to me that they must know that this dynamic is taking place in a very widespread fashion. if that's the case and call

attention to it through that ad with julia roberts narrating, that's spectacular. they are so good at this. i will say quickly, going back to that -- the rally in wisconsin when donald trump says earlier in the rally at some point, he doesn't want to be there. he is only there because brett favre is there. it shows the reluctance that donald trump has, the fact he doesn't want to be doing any of this. he doesn't want to talk about policy. doesn't want to talk about campaigning. he doesn't care. the other part is, it's for him all about control. when you think about the words of michelle obama over the weekend talking to men in the community, it's not about the patriarchy, it's about the village. she says, i need you to help protect us. that's the difference between her language and what donald trump is saying. >> kamala harris is speaking to

our colleague yamiche alcindor. >> it's my responsibility to be everywhere i can to talk directly with voters and talk with them about the issues that are at stake in this election so that i can earn their vote. so that's why i'm here today in arizona. why yesterday i was in wisconsin, pennsylvania. i'm going to be all over the country pretty much, especially in the swing states, talking with folks about the issues that relate to them and the contrast it between me and donald trump. >> michelle obama says she stays up at night wondering why this election is so close. do you do that? what keeps you up at night? >> what keeps me up at night are the challenges that face the american family and my role and responsibility and my to-do list to address those issues, whether it be on bringing down the cost of groceries, bringing down the cost of housing. what we need to do to make sure childcare is affordable for working families. what i will do to make sure medicare covers in-home care for seniors. those are the things that keep

me up, which is doing the work that will directly impact the people of america. this is a big contrast between me and donald trump. he spends full-time talking about himself, his personal grievances, his enemies list. on day will, i will walk into the oval office with my to-do list, about helping the american people deal with their challenges and tap into their ambitions and dreams. >> former president donald trump has said that he would be a protector of women, whether they like it or not. what do you make of that? how does that contrast with your views on women and their rights and needs? >> i will just speak on behalf of myself but also the americans that i speak with every day around our country, regardless of their gender. the majority of americans believe that women are intelligent enough and should have and be respected for their agency to make decisions for themselves about what is in their best interest and not have

their government and certainly not donald trump telling them what to do. his latest comment is just the most recent in a series of examples we have seen from him in his words and deeds about he devalues the ability of women to have the choice and the freedom to make decisions about their own body. >> former president trump also rode around in a garbage truck to call attention to president biden's comments about his supporters and their rhetoric. are you concerned that president biden's comments might undermine your messaging that you want to be a president for all americans? >> i've addressed how i feel about the comments. one, the president explained what he meant. two, i do not believe and i will speak for myself on that we should ever criticize people based on who they vote for. let's understand again where we are in this election.

the most demeaning words, attempting to take from them what they rightly deserve. he is someone who talks full-time about the enemy within. he speaks ill of america. he refers to us as a garbage can. he does not understand that most people are exhausted with his rhetoric, exhausted with that approach, exhausted with an approach that donald trump has that's trying to divide our country and have americans point fingers at each other. they are ready to turn the page and receive a new generation of leadership, which i offer. >> as he and his supporters grab on to the language from president biden, you are not concerned that might undermine your messaging? >> i'm very clear that in this election, what the american people want most is to know that i have a plan, that we have a plan to bring down the cost of living and invest in american families and invest in small businesses, in our economy. i am proud that i have the support of leading economists in

our nation who recognize that i actually have a specific plan and that it will strengthen america's economy. he has little of a plan besides giving tax breaks to the richest people. his plan, whatever it may be, will weaken our economy. >> i have talked to americans from all across this country and all walks of life who are inspired by your story. what's your message to them as they are looking at your journey, especially the history that you are making and might make as the first black woman and indian woman to break down this glass ceiling? even now, of course, making history you are making now. >> you probably heard me say many times, my mother said to me, you may be the first to do many things, make sure you are not the last. what i see in the people who are coming to rallies such as this are young men, young women, people of every age, every background, every race who are excited about the possibility of a new generation of leadership and excited about the fact that they have a choice to have a

president of the united states who actually sees them, gets them and wants to do the hard work that's about improving their lives. >> day one, what's your first executive action? >> my first priority, which will be probably the package of bills, is about bringing down the cost of living. it's about housing. it's about childcare. it's about what we need to do to deal with grocery prices. it's not one, it's a package that's with one singular purpose, bringing down the cost of living. >> we have to go. you talk about your mother. what do you think your mother would be telling you in these final days before this election against donald trump? >> just go beat him. that's probably what she would say. yeah. that's my mother. >> i know she gave you a lot of lessons. thank you so much. >> i appreciate it. thank you. good to talk with you. >> just go beat him. that was pretty remarkable to see that live. she's separating herself not in

a subtracting way, but she's always said -- i think from her first speech, she has talk -- she has laser focused all of her contrast on donald trump, i'm not running against anybody else, she doesn't talk about the republicans in the house or senate, she's running against donald trump. she wants to win over his supporters. she never, ever says anything derogatory about any of his base of supporters. i think she seems to understand where some of the grievance comes from. it's anxiety over the cost of things. >> it is. i'm glad to hear her say it's the package of bills day one that i'm going to try to make the lives of americans more affordable, make things more affordable. she's done a remarkable thing. she's running persuasion and doing in four months what most don't do in 14 months.

in that, created an incredible amount of momentum to get people talking about good policy again. a lot is emotion. a lot is gut reaction. when you have on the other side donald trump saying things that he says, it's very easy for her to say, no, no, no, it's not about the people behind him. it's about that guy leading the charge. it's really important to acknowledge that. very quickly, going back to specifically about reproductive rights, 60% of the african american women in this country live in states where there are restrictive bans on abortion. when you called all of this to -- when all of this sort of bubbles up, particularly for her and the history she's making, it really is about calling attention to the fact that all over the country, there are people standing up where there are others trying to take away their abilities and their rights and their freedoms, that there are people standing up every single day to try to beat donald trump.

she can hammer that home. >> wendy, maternal outcomes are far worse for black women in america. newborn outcomes are far graver for any complications or anything that happens in pregnancy or childbirth for black women in america. this idea that what men are putting out is fear about what you do privately in the voting booth, i think it's ominous and creepy. i think it's political suicide. the way to motivate any group of voters to do something is to tell them they can't. let me show you how the lincoln project is trying to lift up and come at women in a more positive and aspirational way. >> the election will be won by mothers. mothers raising their sons to be men of honor, integrity. to respect strong women.

not be intip -- intimidated by them. seeing their own limitless potential in a president that looks like them. confident in their rights and autonomy over their own bodies. this election will be won by women because we are the caregivers, the support systems, uniform sewors, drivers, hug givers, birthday cake makers. we are the glue that binds a family together. we know this election matters. maybe more than any election in our country's past. when you need to get something done, you ask a mother. this election will be won for our kids. >> every mother in america sees herself in that. i spent my morning calling sources and juggling my son's travel baseball schedule. this is the life of the american woman. i wonder, to shift away from the distopian vision on the right,

what have you seen that's inspired you on the other side? >> i will tell you an anecdote from when i was running to unseat a 16-year republican in 2008. i was standing out at a polling location. i was handing out my lit. an older white couple walked past me. the husband looked at me and did this face like this. as they passed by, the woman behind her back raised up her thumb like this. when i hear this conversation right now, this ridiculous misogynistic -- if we vote according to our values and desires, it reminds me of that. that's what i see happening. in texas right now, in our early

vote, 54% of women who have turned out thus far are women. white women are 50/50 in their express support for either the republican or the democratic candidate. that hasn't happened in a long time. i really think we are seeing a ground shift here, a groundswell by women who know that this is about our daughters and our granddaughters. this is about our sons, too. we are inviting the men in our lives to vote with our futures at stake. i feel really optimistic about the fact that more and more men who otherwise would have voted republican are doing that because they care about us, too. >> yeah. the poll has dobbs dads, they

have white college educated men voting for harris, which is an historic shift. thank you so much for starting us off. basil sticks around longer. we will talk more politics, with days to go until the election. former president barack obama is on the campaign trail reminding voters how donald trump has made a career out of demeaning minority communities. more news to come. don't go anywhere.

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when donald trump starts talking about we're going to round every illegal immigrant in this country up, that is 11, 12 million people. you are going to put them in camps? he starts suggesting that anybody who doesn't look like him, folks from mexico, they are all rapists and drug dealers, that's an example of somebody who doesn't seem to understand just the basic values of treating people with respect. >> that was president barack obama not holding back against donald trump's racist and hateful plans and disrespect for minorities and his promise of mass deportations. president obama also spoke with

al sharpton in an interview about the rhetoric from donald trump about people who are, quote, not like him. listen. >> returning to our conversation, tim miller is here, plus david jolly is here. basil is back with us. tim miller, your thoughts. >> i'm glad that president obama is out there doing that. i think for a number of reasons, we have been talking about how democrats need to speak on these

podcasts. there are younger men listening to them. there's more even of a battle space there. i just think on the issue of immigration, it's like the issue of guns. democrats have been bit by this. they are afraid to go on offense. while they have vulnerabilities, on immigration, it's framed as the former president framed that where we are going to have mass deportations, put somebody as incompetent as donald trump in charge of a government program with rogue sheriffs that are going in and grabbing people out and getting some criminals but also people that are here legally and brothers of people here legally. a lot of stories from the first trump administration that shocked the conscience of the nation. that included republicans, people that want a secure border. i think going on offense on that issue is smart. i'm happy that we got him out

there doing that. >> david jolly, speaking of puncturing this. here is mark cuban. >> the trump voter was the solid voter, somewhat in 2020. now, i think it's switched. i think elon taking over twitter has embodened trump voters to get loud, to denigrate harris voters. that caused has emboldened trump voters to get loud, to denigrate harris voters. that's caused people to get quiet. then you heard what he said last night about women. i really think women are going to win the election for the vice president. i think they'll come out in numbers. they'll not listen to their husbands. i think they'll do the right thing and vote for the vice president. >> david jolly, such a stark contrast.

you have mark kindkurb cuban sa reality isn't what you see on twitter, and saying women are going to go out and do their thing. you have jesse waters literally melting down over the prospect of his women not seeking his permission to vote her conscience. >> nicolle, some of those clips you played in the previous segment about women and the men telling them how to vote and being offended that women would think independently are just outrageous. what i would say back to them and this sounds a little crass, but i think women are going to grab donald trump by the ballots next tuesday and they're going to win this election for vice president harris and she's going to go to the white house. that's what's going to happen. women overperformed in '18 and '20 and '22 for democrats. they're going to do it again now. i think everybody has their closing message. we know environment harris wrapped around pro-democracy, reproductive freedom and so forth, but i think this national conversation about race and culture going down the stretch really helps vice president harris for this reason.

we sometimes just think that these issues impact minority communities or immigrant communities. the puerto rico conversation just affects puerto ricans or women issues just affect women. that's not it. basil referred to the fact that vice president harris is doing get out the vote and persuasion. that's so important for people to understand. you get out the voters that are already high propensity voters for you. you want to make sure they vote. persuasion voters are the ones who are undecided. nicolle, the last unpersuaded voter is a republican and she's probably a woman. probably a republican woman who is not predisposed to vote for a democrat but knows she doesn't want to vote for donald trump. these issues around race and culture, as barack obama said, is a reflection of who we are as a country. are we a country that wants to deport immigrants or give them an opportunity? are we a country that embraced diversity or do we really think that white nationalism is the direction to go in 2024? women are going to decide this

election. and this broad conversation about american values wrapped in the context of race and culture plays right into vice president harris' closing message. >> you know, i just go back to that rally at madison square garden and you want an example of just the hippocerousry and how stille and stupid and dangerous this arguments are, i remember dr. phil talking badly about dei and saying to myself, did a black woman not get you the platform you have? when you really think about it, these people are just -- they're just ridiculous. i have said this to you privately and said it privately, i'll say it publicly. i remember, i'm the same age as the central park five, the exonerated five. i remember that time, i remember how much these young black men were pillories by the media, by elected officials and donald trump himself. to this day, i do not go into central park, to this day. as a 6'3" black men, people say why don't you? i call your attention to the

bird watcher who was in the park and had he not videoed that encounter, that situation would have probably ended up very differently. that's what racism does. it's meant to not just demean you but it's also meant to control you. so when i think about the language that donald trump used at that rally to describe puerto ricans i say to myself, it's demeaning, racist, absolutely. what it also does is removes emathy, removes empathy for people. that's how he talks about people of color, minorities, immigrants, women. >> judges. journalists. >> when you remove that empathy, that means it gives him license to do anything he wants to them, and then you don't end up caring as much as you probably should. and so when i think about the harris campaign and the work that the campaign is doing and bringing in all of these folks, whether it's beyonce or taylor swift or even my neighbor, it is about making sure that we treat each other as part of the village that we are.

and acknowledge the fact that we have something to contribute. it's not just about the inclusion. it's also about the diversity and honoring that. >> i think at a basic fundamental level in terms of how trump plans to operationalize it, it's about dehumanization. that is where you get on the tapes with john kelly, general john kelly, him saying hitler did some good things. whatever the things are trump thought was good, hitler was only able to do them because the dehumanization was step one. and i think the fallacy of sort of thinking that these things he's saying only hurt him among puerto ricans voters or among black men and women, is inaccurate because i think the reasons some republicans held back from being more extreme on abortion politics frankly is because everyone is offended by a ban that eliminates an exception for life of the mother. and everyone became offended by not letting anyone marry whomever they wanted to. the reason that abortion

politics have never been this extreme before is because they offended everyone, men and women. and the reason marriage equality finally became the law of the lapd is because the idea of that discrimination against same-sex couples offended everyone. 73% of the country. and so i think this idea that what he's doing is only hurting him in little pockets is also wrong. >> widespread, it's absolutely widespread. that's why everything that you're seeing is about bringing together -- i go back, bringing together this village. making it okay to do something different than what even someone in your household may feel that you should do, which is why, again, that commercial is so brilliant. >> and the thing we have to rumble with as a country is why are they afraid in the first place? why do they need to be given permission. tim, david, basil, thank you for spending time with us today. up next for us, with five days left to go until election day in america, the republican nominee is receiving well wishes

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back trump, everybody -- now, i'm not saying it. but he said it. because i would rather say respect, but he said everybody was afraid of trump. you bring him back, you're not going to have any problems. >> no problems. there wouldn't be any problems. hi again, everybody. 5:00 in new york. sometimes you need a strong man. it doesn't get any less jaw dropping the more times you hear him say that about viktor orban, because it comes from the man who is currently running to lead what used to be what we think of as the shining city on a hill, the world's greatest democracy. donald trump's embrace in public of strong men who represent the opposite of that, and in particular, the autocratic leader he talked about there, viktor orban, further today as the hungarian leader posted this, quote, just got off the phone with president donald trump. i wished him the best of luck

for next tuesday. only five days to go. fingers crossed. five days out from the most consequential election of our lifetime, one that will determine what kind of country we live in now, what kind of nation we leave our children. and one of the leading candidates is receiving well-wishers from a man whose single biggest accomplishment is dismantling democracy in hungary. this following trump's refusal to say whether he had spoken with russian president vladimir putin since leaving office and his very public comments he has doubled and quadruples down on, calling his political opponents, quote, the enemy within, who donald trump's stated position is the enemies within, democrats, journalists, judges, people who disagree with him, those people are more dangerous than any foreign adversary.

anyone we can think of. the alarms over donald trump and the threat he poses to america's not just our standing in the world but our immediate national security should he prevail are growing louder, and they're bursting into public view. we learned that his former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff called him a, quote, fascist to the core. and someone else who spent a lot of time by donald trump's side when he was in the white house, his former chief of staff, general john kelly, spoke about trump's un-american ways. >> did the former president appreciate the constitution? did he appreciate any of these things? >> no. it was fascinating. he doesn't know a lot about, you know, american history and certainly as a -- as i guess a former executive in his civilian world. you know, you, i guess you can be a dictator because you can

fire people pretty easily and the only thing theoretically that you have to follow is the law. but then again, an awful lot of people break the law and expect subordinates to break the law, or to sirkm venlt the law somehow, and that's where he was coming from, that was his world view. >> donald trump's love of autocrats which is out in the open and how it poses a threat to our national security immediately should he prevail is where we start the hour with former principal deputy director of national intelligence, sue gordon. thank you for being here. >> hey, nicolle. how are you? >> well, i'm hoping that we don't have to ask you questions like this one. what does a convicted felon, indicted for stealing national defense information, do with the cia if he wins?

>> well, if you'll allow, let me bounce off but i'll get to all of it. so we talk about national security, and i think sometimes we talk about it as though it's some arcane practice that a few people are engaged in. let me talk about national security for the american people. first there's this constitution thing. that's in a sense the contract that we have with the american people, when they give us their trust and their authority. and it says that i'm going to obey the rule of law. i'm going to act on their interests within the framework that we have. and it's in my estimation the former president has disqualified himself because through his actions and his words, he said he doesn't support it. and doesn't believe in it. that's a big deal because that makes us who we are. the second thing is this

undermining of our belief in ourselves. which is the foundation of national security. when you suggest that our elections are not secure, that our government is malfesant and that our people are evil, one, none of those are true. none of those are true. our elections are secure. it doesn't mean there isn't periodically fraud, but it's always caught and it never matters. our government isn't malfeasant. we know what malfeasant governments are, they put political prisoners in jail and take their own citizens and cordon them off in inhumane circumstance. our government may not be good enough for the american people, but undermining it isn't enough. and telling lies about the american people, it's my experience that our citizens and our residents are disproportionately good.

when you tell the american people those things are untrue, not only do you undermine our belief in ourselves which is the most important thing we have, but you create a playground for those who would advance their interests at the expense of ours. to the last point about the strong men, there are autocrats out there who are trying to rewrite the world order. to undermine what has been established since world war ii. they are not president trump's friends, and they are not afraid of him. the thing that gives america its strength is america, not a singleton who suggests that he alone can save it or protect it or set a deal with it. when he believes that he is athing alone, he creates the opportunity for those to manipulate him in their interest. i just can't say it strongly

enough. this is something that america needs to address for themselves. >> three generals who were alone in the room with donald trump for a lot of vital and i guess sometimes scary national security crises, with north korea and others, have described donald trump as, quote, fascist to the core. general john kelly read a definition of fascism and said that donald trump met every aspect of it. does donald trump meet the definition of fascist in your view? >> yeah, john and mark were in different conversations in different rooms, and that's how they choose to represent it. nicolle, to me, it is enough that i did not see that he either understands, respects, or intends to adhere to that most sacred of our documents. that is in fact what distinguishes us. the people who are doing what

america does, which is to choose the next leader, need to really think about, they need to choose someone who is going to act not only with their interests but in the framework of what has preserved this union for so many years. so to me, the biggest problem that i have, and i think the most damaging thing that the former president has done, is when he suggests that that document, that document that every federal employee, every public servant swears to uphold and defend, and that's a pretty good place to start for america, doesn't hold the same meaning to him. if the top doesn't believe it, then how is the system going to work day over day, year over year to protect what we have, not just some idea of what we want? >> some of what i think inspired general kelly to speak out is the rhetoric from donald trump

about the enemy within. and using the american military against the enemy within. are there concerns in the intelligence community that donald trump would turn all of the national security agencies against what he describes as the single greatest threat facing america, the enemy within. >> i think -- yes. because if you remove the guardrails, if you replace the civil servants who really it's my experience that every day try to come in and do the best they can for the american people, who are trying to preserve that intention, if you take all that away and you decide that none of those things matter, you can do a lot of harm. and what i think people need to understand is today, you may be

excited by the prospect that someone can save you, restore you, or protect you because it fits whatever demographic you're in at that moment, but tomorrow you could be in some other demographic and that abuse of power would be directed at you. it just should be a huge red flag for our voters that someone would say that they, a singleton, an individual, should have the power to decide rather than america which has in fact defined how it wants to behave. i think you're right about the potential outcome, but even bigger than that, just the idea that any individual would decide that it is they alone who can decide how we act as a nation just feels damaging and disqualifying. >> un-american?

>> not -- that's a great question. you know, nicolle, part of how much i love america is that i am always loathe to tell my citizens what to think. >> what do you think? what do you think? >> i believe he has disqualified himself from office because i don't believe he believes in the system that has created this nation, has preserved it, and has made it the beacon. albeit a little tattered, going forward. america is going to do what it does. america will decide whether to fit. but i want them to understand that it is worse than fool's gold to put your hope in a singleton, put your hope in who we are. put your hope in our ability to resolve these issues. put your hope in your ability to

decide who should represent you going forward. for me, i have said that oath of office for more than three decades. i have administered it. the more times i say it, the more difficult it is to get through without crying because of the power of the words and the responsibility it conveys. and i think that to me is where the most damage comes in that we have a candidate and a former president who has felt the weight of that office, who suggests through his actions and his deeds that it is not something he intends to adhere to. >> one of the first opportunities we had to get to talk to you was about the real world implications of two things that have stayed with me and i quote you all the time. your ears must burn. one is the disrespect of standing inside the cia where when people give their lives in

service of the cia, roads aren't named after them. there are not public celebrations because their service was in some ways so pure, no one ever knew about it. and he stood in front of that wall, which brings most people, not even most presidents, but yes, most presidents, to instill reverence. he instead bragged and lied about the size of his crowds to an agency built on finding out the truth, even if it cost them their lives. the second time we had the privilege of talking to you, it was about what he did with the kinds of information that people gave their lives to obtain. national defense information. which he was charged criminally for hoarding at mar-a-lago and moving around to bathrooms and jets and golf clubs up and down the eastern seaboard. what would happen if he were suddenly handed the keys to that

kingdom, the cia, again? >> so i think you said the right word. it's funny, when i was speaking about the oath of office, you made me cry in that session. i started tearing up again just thinking about it. and again, thinking about the idea that a president would not feel that responsibility disproportionately, to understand who the women and men are who screw up their courage to throw their lots in, not with an individual, but with america, to protect its interests and its women and men. and to disrespect them, whether it's a general or it's a civil servant or it's an election worker, the idea that a president would not understand the responsibility, not for them but to them because those people make choices of their own to

give to the country. and all they ask is that its leaders be worthy of their sacrifice. to me, it is about the only thing that matters. listen, we can solve policy. we can make decisions. and it doesn't just affect the women and men here. one of the greatest strengths of america is that we have had friends internationally, and our adversaries and competitors have less so. when we are not worthy, when our leaders are not worthy, those nations start deciding that they're going to make their own choices, and they have to choose between what is going to be better for them. we want them to always choose america as a partner, so it's that same fundamental respect, adherence to something bigger than self. that has to be present in our president. it breaks my heart knowing what people will give for america if

that gift isn't respected. >> one of the gifts that we benefit from is five eyes. our sharing of what you're talking about. this precious collection of information, secrets that are classified to protect the lives of people who risk their lives to get them to us. malcolm turnbull said to me that he would absolutely, you know, reconsider sort of the sharing of intelligence among nations if trump were president again. what does that mean for america? >> so, one, malcolm would have to because of the responsibility he feels to australia and his leaders. and his humans. so what happens when you break this trust, and again, that's what we all carry when we serve the american people, when we take that oath. we're carrying a trust. when you break that trust,

people start deciding they must make their own decisions. and this is not a world where you want to be alone trying to fight against putin and xi and orban, who are trying to reestablish a world order that is antithetical to everything we believe. so it's the same risk of breaching a trust that could break america's belief in itself with our citizens that it will with our partners and allies. i think it makes the world less safe. this is a tough time. there are big issues. there's going to be a day after the election, no matter what happens. but these issues about who we are, who we can trust, what we need to be able to do, are we worthy of our people, can we protect our secrets, do we

respect those who choose to serve? those are the issues that i wish could be in front of mind, and then i think it's a pretty easy choice. but that's just how i see it because i have chosen to serve and saw the weight of my fellow citizens' hopes and dreams on my shoulders. >> when you say it's an easy choice, you're voting for kamala harris? >> i believe that former president trump has disqualified himself. i cannot support somebody who does not support the constitution. just i don't even have to go further, nicolle. to me, that is so who we are. and listen, we need to be better as a nation. we do, our american people are telling us we're not good enough, let's get good enough, but the way we get good enough is by enacting laws. not deciding that the laws don't matter. we get better by inspiring good people to come and serve with us, not deciding i only want

people who are going to do whatever i want. listen, i have said this to you every time we have spoken. i trust america. but i'm trying to talk in a way that you understand that it isn't just in our candidate when we talk about national security. it is about everything about who you are. and when you make the chose, it has to be about who is going to preserve what we most cherish. >> it's about walking down the street and feeling safe with your hand in your child's hand. it's that basic. >> it is. it is. and it can break. right? what i'm not going to say is that it doesn't matter. it does. it can break. can we rebuild it? yes, because we have this magical power called consent of the governed, but that thread from the constitution to the actions that we take is really

thin. and if you decide it doesn't matter, i don't know how you keep that thread alive, even if you do it in the name of making things better. better only works within the framework that keeps us who we are. and i have got -- i've got four and almost five little hands that are in mine. >> now you made me cry. >> that i want to be sure -- >> now you made me cry. you have such authority and you have such a disincentive for being a public person, particularly in a political moment, so my -- i know all of that. and a lot of people in your position won't speak publicly, but i know you speak for very many of them. i spoke to some of them today. so from the bottom of my heart, sue gordon, thank you for speaking out. >> go america. >> we can do it.

when we come back, a major endorsement for the vice president breaking in just the last few minutes. we'll tell you who it is and talk about it with the vice president's close friend and former senate colleague, cory booker, who is our next guest. >> also ahead for us, my dear friend rosa perez on the racist trump rally remarks that could seriously damage the disgraced ex-president's campaign with days to go before election day. rosie will be here at the table in a little bit. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. k break. don't go anywhere. worry follows you everywhere. ♪♪ over 400,000 people have left blood thinners behind with watchman. watchman is a safe, minimally—invasive, one—time implant that reduces stroke risk and bleeding worry, for life. ♪♪ watchman. it's one time, for a lifetime.

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excellence on the court and democracy in general. nba superstar lebron james has announced his endorsement for vice president kamala harris, citing the racist comments about puerto rico, made at donald trump's madison square garden rally. writing to his 53 million followers on twitter, and 159 million followers on instagram this, quote, what are we even talking about here? when i think about my kids and my family and how they will grow up, the choice is clear to me. vote kamala harris. joining us, democratic senator cory booker, of new jersey. i love this. what are we even talking about? i wish we could inject more of that into our coverage. how are you feeling about the state of the race? >> well, i'm excited. i have been traveling all around. i'm heading to pennsylvania tonight. seeing so much work going on and people understanding that this election, like ones before, from

bush v. gore, which came down to 520-some votes in that one state of florida, to even hillary clinton's very narrow loss, even though she won the popular vote by millions. people understand this could come down to a razor's edge and are taking nothing for granted. from the states i have been too, it's really exciting to see the energy and enthusiasm. >> we are been talking a lot about the right's reaction to this, i can't even believe it's worth reacting to, the notion that a woman can go into the voting booth and vote for whomever she wants. sometimes you get a window or the mask slips and you realize how regressive the trump right is. how disassociated from anything that's happening in 2024. but what do you make of the offensive message from the harris campaign in the ad voiced by julia roberts that going to the booth and you do you, women. >> look, i have to say that this

is who donald trump is. he has told us who he is time and time again. from the "access hollywood" tape to his very administration that stripped rights, basic rights and freedoms away from people, including the most perhaps sacrosanct right of all, to control your own body, to the way he's conducted this campaign and the demeaning and degrading things he's said about women. this is who he is. what i love about the kamala harris campaign is that they are not reacting. they're being proactive. they're telling their own story. theirs is a story that's really about elevation and empowerment, and i just love how they're taking it to him. >> they practice, you know, all the nonreactivity i think we have been addicted to for nine years of trump. and it drives him crazy. what do you make of the closing message? the 75,000 people who came to hear her that day?

>> i mean, and came from far afield. i had a thought it would be maryland, virginia, and washington, d.c., but god, people came from all over the country in a stunning rebuke of what happened at that ellipse during the january 6th riots and storming of the capitol and the insurrections. here was a woman saying, we are america. and the emphasis on we. we are a nation where the lines that divide us are not nearly as strong as the ties that bind us. it is time to turn the page. and i just loved it. she is looking forward and does not want to allow our country to go back to the divisive, degrading, and demeaning ways of donald trump. and even more than that, she makes a contrast on policy, because she really went into policies that are substantive. we have now had enough time to review his signature policy of his trump tax cuts, which would overwhelmingly went to the rich and the big corporations.

blew a massive hole in our deficit, and have left families struggling in ways they shouldn't. while she has a very substantive plan to making sure that everyone pays their fair share, but that working people, that middle class folks get the benefit of a tax system that for too long has been slanted in the wrong direction. and so i'm excited for this, and it's promising, but i will say, i'm now preparing everything i can to make sure we win, not just win the senate, but up and down the ballot, from local state supreme court races to the house of representatives, and of course, to the senate. but we also have to be sure that after this election, i believe kamala harris will win, but that all of us then begin the work of defending our democracy against a guy who is using his platform right now to tell people, if he loses, that it's an illegitimate election. he is trying to repeat his efforts on justifiable proven time and time again in court

after court after court that it was ridiculous, his charges that the election was not rightfully decided. he is preparing to do that again, and already, the kind of threats we're seeing and the kind of work they're doing to prepare to bring that unrest in our country. when this election is over and we have successfully defended the white house, we have to work even harder to make sure we defend our democracy and make sure this really is an election that ends this time of trump and brings us into a time of healing, of really repair and moving forward as a country. >> i mean, he talked about her pimp handlers and his supporter called puerto rico a garbage can. do you think that's possible? >> look, when somebody speaks and what they say is often more a reflection of who they are than what they're talking about. donald trump continues to reveal who he is. we saw this during the

incredible debate that kamala harris had with him. she was able to pull him out and show america yet again the chaotic demeaning, degrading, lying person he is. but again, what's going to define america on election day is not donald trump. it's how we respond to it. and the most important thing right now is for people to show that they love this country, and that's not sentimentality. love is work, love is sacrifice. love is work. people need to come out and vote, because the worst thing in the world is for people to sit on the sidelines because bad people are elected when good people don't vote. >> so amazing. i just spoke to sue gordon, who had the same sentiment. senator cory booker, thank you so much for taking some time to talk to us. great to see you. >> i'm grateful for you. you have been incredible. the work you guys have done in laying it plain for america. >> thank you so much. thank you so much. you made my day.

>> when we return, how the trump campaign is spoiling in its efforts at damage control over what we have been talking about, those racist remarks platformed at trump's madison square garden event about puerto rico. there's one person i wanted to talk to since the second the story broke, my dear friend rosie perez. she'll be here after a break. don't go anywhere. where. so you and your partner can experience the heights of intimacy. new eroxon ed treatment gel. (♪♪) (♪♪) (♪♪) start your day with nature made. and try new zero sugar gummies. my moderate to severe crohn's disease... ...and my ulcerative colitis symptoms... ...kept me... ...out of the picture. now... ...there's skyrizi. ♪i've got places to go...♪ ♪...and i'm feeling free♪ ♪control of my symptoms means everything...♪ ♪...to me♪

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the most corrupt, horrible people. these are horrible people. >> these are sick people. >> we're up against very bad, evil people. it's an evil force. >> the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country. >> it's the people that surround her. they're scum. >> all the scum that we have to deal with that hate our country. >> you can't be president if you hate the american people. and there's a lot of hatred. >> i'm out of words. that edition of pot meet kettle brought to you by the candidate who has framed the final days of his campaign for president around the idea there's an enemy within in this country and he'll use the military to get them. of course, latching on to a since clarified comment about garbage made by someone woo is not running for president anymore was a grasping at straws defensive response on trump's part, an effort to distract from the trump campaign's own

unforced error but puerto rico. the kamala harris campaign wants to make sure voters don't forget it in the form of a brand-new six-figure ad buy in spanish. we are more will air across the battleground states in the coming days. to quote the ad, this november 5th, trump will understand some people's trash is other's treasure. joining me here at the table, actor and activist my dear friend rosie perez. she's heading to pennsylvania to campaign for vice president harris after she leaves us. and victor martinez is here, radio host and owner of la mega, a radio station in allentown, pennsylvania. i'm going to get you two together because you're going to be in the same place. but we'll trade digits afterward. rosie, let me start to you, to your reaction. i feel like we end up on the phone together when we think nothing else can shock us or break our hearts, and then you hear something like that that shocks us and breaks our hearts.

what did you think when you heard that? >> shock. utter shock. i was angry. i was hurt. that is not what people really don't talk about, how racism hurts, how insults like that really hurt. but i have to tell you, they picked on the wrong people. >> right? so what's happening? i mean, because i live in this sort of ecosystem where all i hear is it's really hard to break through. this cut through like a hot knife through frozen butter. >> it did, and here's the thing that people keep forgetting about what happened on that night. it wasn't just insults thrown at latinos and puerto ricans specifically. it was also african americans, it was jews, it was palestinians, and it was women. >> yeah. >> the way they were talking about women was disgusting. but what was the biggest backlash from? puerto rican people. latinos. we don't take it.

we don't take it lying down. and everyone is going to see. >> so what do you think is going to happen? >> i think people are going to go to the polls. there are a lot of people that were on the phone, you know what's sad is when it did happen, there were certain people in my circles that are republicans and certain people who are magas. and i do -- that's a distinction. radio silence from the magas. for days. these are puerto ricans. they had no response. there was no defense. and the other ones, the republicans that are puerto ricans that are family members of mine, that are friends of mine, they were thoroughly disgusted. they were just as disgusted as i was. and i found that to be very, very hopeful. >> i mean, because i think it's instructive for other groups that it feels like he's maligned women -- i mean, he started in '16 bragging about grabbing women between the legs and doubled down in a deposition and said you have been able to do

that for a million years. but it feels like there's a numbness. why aren't puerto ricans numb? >> because we have that spirit. we have that pride. you can knock us down 100 times and we will get back tenfold. we'll get back up each and every time. you know, the thing that was shocking to me was how trump didn't get ahead of this. he could have had a john mccain moment. but then again, he's no john mccain, right? >> right. >> remember when that person was in the audience throwing disparaging comments to obama about obama. john mccain went over to that woman and took the mic and said no, no, no. he's a good man. we think differently but he's a good man. >> loves this country. >> he loves this country. that could have been trump. that could have been trump. and he would have just -- but it's not in him. and that's the point.

that's the point. we are looking at character here. and how are we going to vote for someone like that, who talks about us like that, who allows negative comments to just go on like that? he has yet to apologize. >> mm-hmm. >> he keeps saying i didn't think it was a big deal. then trying to jump on joe biden's mistake, and it was a mistake, at least joe biden got in front of it. you know? >> and harris has distanced herself from it. >> yeah, exactly. but you know, all the times he's called people that don't agree with him scum, garbage, degenerates. the list can go on and on and on. the nerve that he has right now, and he's only doing it because he's desperate because he knows he messed up. >> victor, what are you hearing from your callers? you have been great about giving us real time inputs. >> i'm going to pick up where

rosie left off. i know you want to talk to me because i'm from pennsylvania but i'm here to give you a little news. the reason i'm talking to you from inside of a car right now, it's because i'm in orlando, florida. you know why i'm in orlando, florida? i'm in orlando, florida, where a half a million puerto ricans live, because the puerto rican community and the puerto rican leaders in the community are making a move. they're trying to unify the puerto rican community, the half a million puerto ricans in the central florida area, and the 1 million plus puerto ricans in florida, to try to get them together, energize them and get them out to vote in florida on november 5th. >> i mean, this is so instructive in terms of the mental shift you need to win elections. i mean, you just -- just give me more of where that comes from and this idea that we have the power. i feel like some of what trump

benefits from over and over again is the disempowerment, well, he's just going to do what he's going to do. his base isn't going to care. it feels like what you're both saying is even people who thought they were aligned with him are reconsidering and not just reconsidering but trying to change the outcome of the results even in florida. >> you have to look at the history of puerto rico -- i'm sorry, victor. >> it's funny. i know what you're going to say and i was going to say the same thing. if you look at the history of puerto rico, puerto ricans have gone through so much adversity through our history that it's in us. it's in our blood, like rosie said, we get knocked down but we get up again. and again, i have said it in other interviews. there's two things that you don't mess with when it comes to puerto ricans, and that's the island and the flag. those things are sacred to us. we don't mess around. you can play with us, you can make fun of us, you can make fun of our accents. we'll have fun with you. but going after our island,

going after our flag, it's like going after our mother. you know, those are things you don't mess with. you just don't mess with those things. and when we spoke the other day, i mentioned this to you. he brought everything from what happened with maria back. that wound was healing. we were mad at him when it happened years ago. but then all of a sudden, that wound got scratched and now it's bleeding again. and so this time around, so close to the election, puerto ricans are just getting up. i mean, we were talking about what my audience is saying in pennsylvania. and exactly what rosie was saying, what's getting people madder and madder by the hour is the fact that now, trump has had multiple times to get in front of a camera and say, listen, my campaign doesn't agree with those things. that's not what i believe, but

over and over and over again, i mean, while sitting in a garbage truck, they ask him the question about puerto rico, and listen, i don't know. i don't know the comedian, not a big deal. so that just makes people even madder. like, okay, so day one, day two, day three, not a big deal. it was a love fest. i was proud to be part of the event. so that just keeps rubbing the wound, and then the blood keeps coming out, and our hearts get even darker. and so again, look where i'm at. i'm in orlando, florida, because they're trying to rally the puerto rican community in orlando, florida, again, a half a million puerto ricans in the central florida area, to see if they can mobilize them and get them out to vote. >> so incredible. i have to sneak in a break. i have so much more. i need both of you to stay. we'll all be right back.

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. we're where he left off. >> with all due respect, victor, by the way, everyone is loving you right now. >> ah. >> there's a lot of puerto ricans where the wound of hurricane maria has not healed, has not healed. there's a lot of us still angry about that. everything else you said i'm in agreement with. i wanted to bring up puerto rican activists who were called

the young lords. the reason why they formed a group is because they were not picking up the trash in spanish harlem, so these young, highly educated college students got together, took all the trash and put it in the middle of the street and lit it on fire. guess what? the city finally responded. that's who we are. we do not take this lying down, okay? >> yes. >> the thing is that there's some people there still on the fence. some people are saying i'm still going to vote because of trump. what issues? the economy right now is fantastic. a report said we are on solid ground, recovering better than any other nation in the world than covid. gas prices are the lowest ever, especially in the south, by the way, okay? and the border crossings, the numbers are low. i had an issue with that.

i'm just going to be honest. guess what? they admitted it and tried to fix it. guess who tried to stop it? it was trump. he called all his republican cronies and said do not sign that, do not pass that, even though republicans came up with it. so, who are you gonna vote for? who are you gonna vote for? you have no argument left. >> does it work. yes! i have. i have. [ laughter ] >> you buried the lead. >> i'm telling you. i usually come on your so so angry. i am elated right now. i have republican friends, republican family members who said, enough is enough. i'm not going to vote for him. >> yes. >> imfamily members who are democrats, who told me just two weeksal they were going to vote for trump. i was dying. remember, i texted you. >> i remember. >> when that happened add

madison square garden, no, i can't do it. >> victor, explain why that's a front line. >> yes. again, we go back to pride. this is going to be a pride vote. some people in nigh audience were calling, saying i'm voting because of my pride. you call me trash? i'm gonna show you trash. i'll go further. if you go on social media in that puerto rican community, i'm seeing a lot of memes that say, puerto ricans, remember, tuesday is take the trash out day. >> hmm. >> those are the memes i'm seeing within the puerto rican community on facebook, instagram, puerto ricans, remember, tuesday is take the trash out day. that's the message that it's now going across social media,

instagram, facebook, even tiktok. i've seen influencer playing over and over that audio, challenging the puerto rican community, challenging those puerto rican trump voters, are you really going to vote for this guy? you know, before this all happened, we were talking about the latino male vote, my god, how male voters, latinos. one of the things i will take into consideration is, how many mothers, how many daughters, how many wives are going to now look at their dad, their husband, and their son and say, really? really? are you going to now vote for that guy? are you kidding me? you know, latino men, we like to go outside and say, you know, we are machos, but when we get inside the house, we know really

who the boss is. [ laughter ] but, again that could have an effect. >> you know what also could have an effect, victor, is talking to our republican latino family members, friends, even adversaries, just talking, listening to them, and doing it respectfully. just showing them the facts. >> yes. >> showing them the facts, showing that msg take over and over and over again. >> yeah. >> just offer them the respect, because i just want this hate to stop. >> yeah. >> i want the hate to stop. i want the division to stop. i want to turn the page. i have to move forward. this is so toxic that it just eats at you. i don't want that anymore. that's why think -- i think victor said it the other day on your show -- it's a blessing in disguise. >> yes, it's a gift from the

gods. we call it a gift from the gods. what is the cans that kamala harris was at a puerto rican restaurant at the same time this was happening in new york? so, again, it's just an opportunity, i do believe that the puerto rican community will make a difference. to go back on why i'm in orlando, florida, the leader of the puerto rican community here really believe -- i may be daydreaming, but they believe if they have enough puerto ricans in orlando to kind of take over versus the more conservative cubans in miami, and what about the puerto ricans in tampa, florida? there's thousands. central florida, tampa, they can mobilize enough puerto ricans in central florida and jacksonville, florida? hmm, who knows? >> i never sleep on florida. i'm with you. i am going to put both of you on notice. i need you guys to come back

tomorrow, monday, and let me know what you're hearing and sunday, please. >> i'm here. >> thank you. i love you my dear friend. >> i love you. a quick break for us. we'll be right back. you. a quick break for us we'll be right back. doctor office visits and hospital stays. but if you want even more benefits, you can choose a medicare advantage plan like the ones offered at humana. our plans combine original medicare with extra benefits in a single, convenient plan with $0, or low monthly plan premiums. these plans could even include prescription drug coverage with $0 copays on hundreds of prescriptions. plus, there's a cap on your out-of-pocket costs. most plans include dental, vision, even hearing coverage. there are $0 copays for in-network preventive services, and much more. get the most from medicare with a humana medicare advantage plan. call today to learn more. remember, annual enrollment for medicare advantage plans ends december 7th. humana. a more human way to health care.

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