tonight on "the reidout" -- >> this idea that somehow it's the economy that men care about. i don't think that's true. i think it's preserving the

patriarchy and women see that and want to burn it down. >> as shannon watt says, women who are voting in huge numbers want to burn down the patriarchy. as trump makes his patronizing closing message that he will somehow protect women whether they like it or not. also tonight, former attorney general eric holder joins me with election legal fights already in full swing. plus, what a trump victory would mean for the american justice system. and we begin tonight with just five days left until we find out what kind of country we will be. as of today, over 61 million americans have voted, and 54% of them are women. five days out, the choice is crystal clear. it's an america for all, fueled by a coalition of many fighting yet again for equal rights.

>> i'm a little frustrated that some of us are choosing to ignore donald trump's gross incompetence while asking kamala to dazzle us at every turn. let me warn you, your rage does not exist in a vacuum. if we don't get this election right, your wife, your daughter, your mother, we as women will become collateral damage to your rage. are you as men prepared to look into the eyes of the women and children you love and tell them that you supported this assault on our safety? >> or an america for some. fueled by a coalition of the few, pushing for separate but equal. the former first lady's message is a powerful one and continues to course through the veins of this country since the supreme court has stripped half of america of our constitutional rights. this america has been about dignity for all, but that

clearly is too much for the maga misogyny minion whose have been repulsed by even the thought of women, and by this, i mean the group long venerated and placed on a pedestal for the clear purpose of silencing their voices, i do mean white women. finally finding their voice and asserting their independence and their power, and joining women of color in rejecting the politics of the increasingly extreme republican party. on that note, know what is also triggering the maga man cave? a progressive evangelical group urging the partners of male trump supporters to vote for kamala harris even if it has to be done in secret. >> in the one place in america where women still have a right to choose. you can vote any way you want. and no one will ever know.

>> did you make the right choice? >> sure did, honey. >> remember, what happens in the booth stays in the booth. >> let me just tell you, the maga right hates this idea. they are literally disgusted and freaking out about it. one conservative pastor's very telling tweet, which has gone viral, sums it up. he writes, in a christian marriage, a wife should vote according to her husband's direction. he is the head and they are one. two trump maga men, put that in square quotes, fox's jesse waters and charlie kirk of turning point, were equally triggered by the idea of married women thinking for themselves. >> i find that entire advertising campaign so repulsive. she's coming in with her sweet husband, who probably works his tail off to make sure she can go, you know, and have a nice life and provide for the family, and she lies to him saying i'm going to vote for trump and then

she votes for kamala harris as her little secret. >> if i found out emma was going to the voting booth and pulling the lever for harris, that's the same as having an affair. it violates the sanctity of our marriage. >> this idea that women need to be told what to do, how to think, how to look, and how to behave is a key closing argument for the most recognizable misogynist and jury convicted sexual abuser, donald trump. >> i'm president, i want to protect the women of our country. they said -- they said, sir, i just think it's inappropriate for you to say. i pay these guys a lot of money. can you believe it? i said, well, i'm going to do it whether the women like it or not. i'm going to protect them. >> whether they like it or not. so to sum it up, according to jd vance, women who don't marry and

have children are worthless and shouldn't have equal rights in this society, and the women who do are nothing more than amplifications of their husbands' republican votes. anything else is unnatural. and donald trump says, and adds, he's going to protect women whether they like it or not. okay. this open disdain for women and their independence is far more disturbing when you think about the fact that the man saying these things, that the head of that ticket, is in clear cognitive decline. this was trump in 2016, and then let's look at trump on tuesday. >> the u.s. has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems. >> so i just want to tell you this is a campaign that's been long, hard. the man who descended his golden

escalator is now being escorted by aides to make sure he doesn't fall after having trouble grasping the handle of a garbage truck. his own staff acknowledges he's exhausted and struggling to find the energy he had almost ten years ago. earlier this week, the las vegas sun went where few have been willing to go, acknowledging that trump's cognitive decline and mental illness is a threat to democracy. members of the editorial board wrote, the nation must confront the fact that beyond his hateful character, he is crippled cognitively and showing clear signs of mental illness. when he does appear publicly, trump vuggals to complete sentences or sustain coherent thoughts. and has shown a pronounced difficulty concentrating and a tendency to repeat himself, sometimes within the same sentence. for those who believe in a country governed by checks, balances, and the rule of law, a

return to trumpian leadership is dangerous in its own right, but to do so with an impaired leader who cannot govern competently and a fellow authoritarian waiting in the wings is perilous. joining me now is sarah matthews, former deputy press secretary in the trump white house, and david rothkopf, columnist for the daily beast and host of the deep state radio podcast. sarah, i want to start with you first because you have worked for donald trump. do you see the cognitive decline that the las vegas sun sees? >> i think i do. you look at the videos of him in 2016 and compare it to now, and it does appear like he's lost his fastball. no one would evsay donald trump has been the most eloquent speaker, but i do think that if you go back and watch those old videos of him, and compare it to now, it's just so apparently clear to me. and he is rambling more, more

incoherent. can't stay on message, and so it does appear to me that there's a cognitive decline there, and i think voters need to ask themselves. this was obviously such an issue for biden's candidacy so why doesn't that translate for trump then? biden, i think he was all there in his mind, but his age was showing a little more in his physicality. but with trump, it's mental. and so we really need to ask ourselves if we want to put a man like that back into the oval office. >> indeed. let me play what vice president harris had to say, and shewas commenting. she wasn't commenting on the cognitive decline, but she was commenting on his thoughts about whether women like it or not. >> she will do what he wants, quote, and here's where i'm going to quote, whether the women like it or not. you know, there's a saying that you have to listen to people when they tell you who they are. and this is not the first time he has told us who he is.

he does not believe women should have the agency and authority to make decisions about their own bodies. >> one of the things that happens, david, as some people age, and it's a fact of aging, is that your inhibitions start to slide, particularly if your cognition starts to slide. donald trump is showing some of that lack of inhibition. even when he was younger and in full faculties. he grabbed e. jean carroll in a public place, whether she liked it or not, and she did not. he has kissed women against their will and without them allowing him to, whether they liked it or not. he has put his hands between women's legs whether they liked it or not. so even when he was in full faculties, he was a predator. and so you have someone like that now saying, because he can't help himself anymore, that i'm going to quote/unquote protect women whether they like it or not. this to me strikes me as a dangerous place for him to be

going when you throw in the fact that he can't climb into a garbage truck without nearly tripping and falling and he couldn't even grasp that door handle. what are we watching? >> well, you're 100% right because he's on the fast track to feebleness. quite apart from being on the fast track to feebleness, when he had his fastball, he behaved this way. and that's because it's not an issue necessarily of mental capacity. it's an issue of character and it's an issue of idelology. he does not look at women as his equal. and so when he was young and fit, he was abusing women. scores of women have accused him of abusing them. a judge who adjudicated the case that you just made reference to said that he was effectively guilty of rape. he was much more in command of his faculties when as president he stripped away the fundamental right of women to control their

own bodies. so throughout his entire life, his view has been towards women, i will do with them what i want to. because he is of a group that believes that women are subservient to men, are the possessions of men, and don't be misled, they don't want to turn the clock back to the 1950s. they want to turn it back to the 1850s. they want to turn it back to a world where women did not have the vote. remember, what did jd vance say? he said if a woman does not give birth to children, she shouldn't have the right to vote. it's -- it would be shocking except that they have said it over and over and done it over and over again. but i think here, finally in the last five days of this election, we're seeing that this is breaking through. and it's showing up in women's

early registration, women's early voting. this huge gender gap, 55/45 gender gap out of the 30 million votes that have already been cast. and it's quite possible that women are ultimately going to say, we know what we want and it's not you, donald trump. >> and the fact, sarah, that he's running against a woman, running against a person who is a sex crimes prosecutor, she prosecuted men like donald trump for a living. so she's not afraid of him, and she can confront him in a way that i think most women could naupt, even hillary clinton who was not that kind of a prosecutor specifically. i want to talk about white women, whether 30% of the voting population are going to make a different choice than when he ran the first two times, when they voted majority for him even after the "access hollywood" tape. i found this poll fascinated. they went through and looked at the gender fwap. the gap is the widest between

women who have college degrees and men who do not have college degrees. that is not a sort of a race specific number, but that's the biggest gap. those are the two people at the farthest ends of the spectrum with women with college degrees going much more for harris and men without college degrees going much more for trump. then you have reporting from our nbc's sahil kapur. a woman at obama's pittsburgh rally, either barack or michelle's, told me she and her friends when they go to rural pennsylvania, leave post-it notes in the bathroom saying nobody will know who you voted for. she said women in red areas feel stegimatized if they oppose trump and don't know their vote is private. another anecdote i heard from a democratic volunteer knocks on a door, a man answers and says there are no democrats here. and as this door knocker is standing there looking at the list where a woman lives there presumably his wife, she's a registered democrat. there has been this notion that when women receive the right to

vote, the presumption was they would be an amplification of their husband's vote if they're white women and that has been true up until now. i wonder if you see signs that white women specifically are saying, enough, now that they have lost their right to bodily autonomy, they're now seeing what women of color have long seen about the republican party. >> i do think that this is penetrating through to white women, especially like you mentioned with roe v. wade. i think there are a lot of women out there who are even pro-life who think the restrictions that we're seeing in some of these deep red states are going way too far. and so they want to restore that, because they think that the republican party is getting too extreme. and that's why i think that ad that you played earlier in the program and all those maga men who all being so triggered by it, they're being triggered by it because it's effective. because it is penetrating through to women and they're recognizing, hey, you know what, my vote is private, and what you vote in the voting booth is

between you and your god that you believe in. so they know that a lot of women are going to turn out on election day and maybe cast their vote differently than they're telling their husbands or their coworkers or their neighbors and they're worried about that because i think this election is going to come down to a lot of white women and disaffected republican women who are turning out and saying enough is enough with donald trump and casting their ballot for kamala harris. >> it doesn't help that jd vance is the next person in line for a feeble old man that would be president when he is doing an interview, he did an interview tonight in which he said things like, men who vote for trump have more testosterone if they're conservatives. and saying the normal gays will vote for us. he's not helping, the guy who essentially said women are worthless to be anything other than incubators or nannies, that's the ticket. sarah and david, thank you both very much. coming up, no wonder viktor

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election day may be only five days away, but that will likely only be the start of what could be a very contentious legal fight over the results. which could end up in the hands of the leonard leo-built

conservative majority supreme court. we have already seen this court violate its own supposed principles yesterday by allowing republican officials in virginia to continue purging voters from its rolls just days ahead of the election. i should note that the three liberal justices on the court dissented. and just as she did four years ago -- just as he did four years ago, trump is signaling he will challenge the election results and has begun pushing baseless claims that there's already cheating going on at levels rarely seen before. this comes as there have already been numerous incidents of intimidation around the ballot box. we have seen an 18-year-old in florida arrested after wielding a machete while confronting a group holding signs promoting vice president kamala harris. there have been fires set at ballot drop boxes in numerous states. it's become a very combustible environment. joining me is former u.s. attorney general eric holder. thank you for being here. i want to start with your

concerns about the potential levels of violence that we're seeing. there is a video that is circulating all over the internet from orangeburg, south carolina, where a man came in and started cursing at and shoving election workers there. a guy in a maga hat. we're starting to see sort of, you know, these drop box fire incidents. how concerned are you about this kind of violence? >> yeah, i have a degree of concern about that. we're going to see individuals do these kinds of things. it's the kind of stuff that donald trump i think has enabled through his irresponsible verbiage. but i'm also confident that people in law enforcement, at the federal, state, and local level will be able to handle any of these things. i don't think people should be intimidated. people should be going to the polls casting their ballots. if you're concerned about your safety, i don't think you should necessarily be, take advantage of early voting or voting by mail. relatively limited amount of time at this point but you can still do that.

>> let me play a sound bite for you. this is donald trump saying something that has caught a lot of folks' attention. here he is. >> and i think with our little secret, we're going to do really well, right? our little secret is having a big impact. he and i have a secret. we'll tell you what it is when the voice is over. >> elie mystal says, quote, i think the plan is to steal the electoral college by giving states trump loses to refuse to certify the results of their election. that's because the 12th amendment provides the president is the person who wis the majority of the whole number of electors appointed. that whole number is supposed to be 538, but one potential reading of the amendment is trump doesn't have to win 270 electoral college votes but a majority of however many show up. his goal is to decrease the number of electors appointed until he wins. >> that's a stretch. i understand what he's saying and i don't know exactly what

this deal is supposed to be like. but we have precedent that indicates you have to have a majority of the electors who were selected and that means you have to have 270. i also think that that possibility that this deal they're going to have would be sanctioned by the courts, even this supreme court, i think that is just a bridge too far. so i think, look, we're certainly going to hear all kinds of legal challenges after kamala harris wins the vote. we're going to hear non-legal challenges and contentions made by donald trump. donald trump only has two things. he either wins an election or the election was rigged. so we can expect to hear that from him. but i actually think our legal system is capable of handling the kind of specious arguments that they're likely to make. >> i think you have more faith in the system than i do. i think anybody who watches the show knows i don't trust john roberts as far as i can throw him across the room. i think he's exactly like the rest of them, and so my question

to you is, why should we not believe that trump can get a couple of his election deniers and fake electors in pennsylvania or georgia to refuse to certify, take that all the way to court as to whether they can refuse to society, stop a state from being certified, and get that case right to john roberts where he can do what he wants to do. he wants trump to be president. why should we not believe that trump has a plan that could be enacted wherein he loses the election but he gets john roberts to make him president the way the supreme court majority made george w. bush president? >> i'm going to tell you, of all the things i'm concerned about, i'm worried about voter suppression. i'm worried about a range of things but the certification process doesn't concern me an awful lot. assuming there is a good count, that's another thing. we want to make sure all votes get counted and the question becomes, we have a result and now we have to certify that

result. you come up with reasons why you shouldn't. illegal folks have voted, whatever the rationale is, that's the thing that gives me the least amount of concern. there, we're going to be deciding cases before judges at the state level, at the federal level, potentially at the supreme court level if the supreme court decides to take a case like that. so i think that when it comes to certification, certification, i think we're going to be just fine. >> okay. look, you're probably making a lot of people sleep better tonight. let's talk about the sort of eventuality of a potential trump in office. he's made numerous threats, threatened -- made over 100 threats to prosecutor or punish people he sees as his enemy, from general mark milley to liz cheney to vp harris herself. this is stuff that we should take seriously, no? >> yes. now, if i made your feel okay, and like you wanted to go to sleep tonight and rest peacefully, that's fine. do not go to bed tonight and

rest peacefully when you think about what donald trump might do with a weaponized united states department of justice. they learned, they learned from the first term, and it won't be just who is the attorney general, it will be who is the deputy attorney general, who is the head of the criminal division, who are the various u.s. attorneys. they'll give u.s. attorneys hiring authority so they'll have adistant u.s. attorneys who will do the bidding of donald trump. and we will see critics of donald trump investigated, if not prosecuted. journalists investigated, if not prosecuted. companies who take policy positions inconsistent with the desires of donald trump, again, investigated if not prosecuted. i make that distinction between investigated if not prosecuted because the reality is you can ruin somebody's life. you don't have to indict them to ruin their life. you just have to investigate them. that gets leaked to the press. there is all kinds of reputational damage done to that entity or person. there's money that has to be spent to get good lawyers to defend you.

he will use the justice department in the way that he has said. trust him. this is what he has said. this is not something i'm making up. he has said he's going to use the justice department in that way. and that, if nothing else, should drive people to the polls to vote for kamala harris. >> when it comes to a good night's sleep, attorney general holder, giveth and he taketh away. i think you ought to take it very, very seriously. former attorney general eric holder, thank you so much. >> and coming up, trump is trying to gaslight america, particularly arab and muslim voters into thinking he would be a better choice when it comes to israel's war on gaza. despite his constant insults toward the palestinian people and his full throated support of netanyahu's war. we'll dive into that next.

donald trump is trying to gaslight the public with his disingenuous outreach to arab and muslim voters but if anyone thinks a second trump administration would be good for palestinians can the west bank, rudy giuliani put that to rest in his ugly speech at madison square garden. >> the palestinians are taught to kill us at 2 years old. i'm sorry, i don't take a risk with people that are taught to kill americans at 2.

>> meanwhile, donald trump has made it clear how he feels israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is handling the war that has killed more than 43,000 palestinians. >> as far as israel and hamas, israel is the one that wants -- he said the only one who wants to keep going is hamas. israel is the one, and you should let them go and finish the job. >> he's doing a good job. biden is trying to hold him back. he's trying to hold him back and he probably should be doing the opposite, actually. i'm glad that bibi decided to do what he had to do. but it's moving along pretty good. >> don't just take trump's word for it. there's also his terrible record on the palestinians when he was president. it includes moving the u.s. embassy to jerusalem, violating decades of precedent and international law, saying east jerusalem should be part of a palestinian state, cutting palestinians out of negotiations over jared kushner's pet

project, the abraham accords. abandoning the decades-old position that west bank settlements are a barrier to a peace agreement and eliminating restrictions on spending u.s. taxpayer dollars on those illegal settlements. closing the u.s. mission to palestine and recognizing israeli sovereignty over the golan heights in syria. trump's own son-in-law, jared kushner, praised the very valuable potential of gaza's waterfront property and suggested israel should remove civilians while it cleans up the strip. and while there have been some muslim groups and leaders coming out for trump, people are waking up to the fact as much as they may like the biden administration's unquestioning support for and arming of israel and biden's seeming indifference to palestinian casualties, donald trump would be far worse. muslim voter advocacy group endorsed harris to prevent, quote, a learn to islamophobic and other harmful policies under

a trump administration. last month, a group of muslim faith leaders also endorsed harris, and in dearborn, michigan, several prominent arab americans gathered to endorse the vice president last weekend. the uncommitted movement created when biden was the democratic nominee, stopped short of endorsing harris, but came out strongly that trump would be worse. in a new op-ed in the guardian, muslim american writer argues that there's no moral argument for allowing trump to win in the name of opposing genocide. there's too much at stake and far too many communities both in the united states and abroad that will suffer if trump is re-elected, he writes. we'll dig into how bad trump would be for the palestinian people in gaza and the west bank, and that's coming up next. . with liberty mutual. customize and sa— (balloon doug pops & deflates) and then i wake up. and you have this dream every night?

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donald trump is trying to pander to muslim and arab american communities, whether it's talking about how much he loved arabs on saudi state television or doing photo ops with muslim mayors in michigan, despite a record that shows he's clearly worse for palestinian people in gaza and the west bank. in fact, even as he's seeking arab americans votes, he told benjamin netanyahu reportedly on a call last month, do what you have to do. joining me now is the author of the left hook on substack, and cohost of the democracy-ish podcast, and journalist and

palestinian policy expert rula gibril. i'm going to start with you. in short, what would it mean for palestinians and for folks in lebanon if donald trump were president? >> well, donald trump presidency is fascism on steroids. i think mark milley when he called him fascist to the core, he meant it. i think it would be basically what he told benjamin netanyahu, the prime minister, that is being accused to being a threat to israel by another prime minister is basically saying finish the job. the job is ethnic cleansing of gaza, the annexation of the west bank, which he promised sheldon adelson's widow they would annex the west bank, and you'll see what is happening, which is basically the gaza formula will become the tactic of gaza, the basically massive bombing, massive slaughter, and starvation and the killing and killing of hospital -- killing

every condition of life. you will see that kind of doctrine exported to the west bank, and now we're seeing it in lebanon. we're seeing trump who doesn't believe in american constitution or democracy, doesn't believe in international law, it will mean that america and israel will be allies with fascist dictators. they will be fine with what putin is doing. they will basically import and export ethno nationalism and fascism on steroids. for me, the most worrying part of all of this, trump is exploiting what the democratic party didn't do, and the democrats did not do in michigan and towards the arabs. they didn't need to do much. they needed just to go to these areas and tell arab americans the same way they told polish americans. we hear you, we may not agree, but we'll enforce america's law that obligate any government to basically stop funding and arming any military unit that is using starvation as a weapon of

war. they're not doing that, even when the icc, the icj, the international criminal court is demanding these measures to stop the starvation and mass slaughter in gaza and beyond. >> you have taken a lot of heat for -- you have recently wrote an op-ed sort of doubling down on what you did on social media, saying that you believe that despite everything, despite everything that you just heard rula say, it's still a better choice to vote for kamala harris than donald trump. why? >> yeah, i have always used to the heat. i like it spica. i agree with rula that president biden has been a moral failure on gaza. there's no question about it. he could have and should have and still can do much more to stop what i believe is an ongoing genocide. and donald trump will be far worse on that issue and every or issue as el. he will be genociding and a fascist. just for the united states, i want to remind people donald trump said i think islam hates us in 2016. he's the one who said i saw

muslims celebrate 9/11. total bs lie. he's the one who promoted the birther conspiracy against president obama. just today, jd vance, his vice president, on joe rogan's podcast, repeated the hateful anti-sharia conspiracy tromten years ago and said minnesota is taken over by sharia and the uk will one day be an islamic city. he said that today, folks. also when it comes to palestine, palestinians, donald trump doesn't care. he said he will bar palestinian refugees. he will do another muslim ban. there will be idealogical screening for arab and muslim immigrants and he has promised miriam adelson to annex the west bank and there will be waterfront properties for jared kushner and his buddies in gaza. this man is cause playing, but he's a bad coz player. the only coz play he can do is as a garbage man. he will be terrible and i want to say this one final thing.

i'm a muslim. i believe i have to do the least amount of harm and the greatest good. i have to take care of not just muslims but my neighbors as well. donald trump is a threat to our democracy, to women, to our elders who need social security, to people who need obamacare. he does not believe in climate change and he's a racist and a white supremacist. he does not like muslims, arabs, palestinians, and jews -- >> and african americans. >> go down the list, haitians, puerto ricans, which is why we need a multi-cultural coalition to come and defeat him and at the same time, pressure kamala harris and democrats to do more. they can do so much more to help palestinians. they have the leverage. flex it. >> last word to you on this, rula. talk a little bit about what the trump side is doing in michigan. because they're lying. >> they're being very savvy. to be honest, again, we have been trying to reach to the coalition, to this multi-ethnic coalition to make them understand the issue of

palestine is not actually a foreign policy issue. it's actually an issue of social justice, racial justice, climate justice. it's an issue of justice, and even economic justice. when you send $23 billion to bomb and annihilate gaza and empower the most far right government in israel, has israelis themselves are protesting against, and then you talk about inflation and other things. and then you leave the room open for donald trump. he's exploited it in three or four ways to say to the american jews basically that she is not good on that, but also he's lying to the muslims and saying you know what, i will offer you lebanon. i'll save lebanon and bring peace, which is a big lie. he will never bring any peace because obviously we understand his genocidal supremacist mindset. he is actually weaponizing their fear and their anxiety. they have been watching their children being slaughtered. but he's using his son-in-law and we need to pay attention

newt to jared kushner, but to any husband who is of lebanese origin, and go to the lebanese and say, decouple yourself from the palestinians. you will be saved. >> and they're go. >> they will go. >> i wish we had more time. but this is the stuff people need to be talking about in the community. thank you both very much. up next, new reporting on how arizona's draconian deportation policy is a model for trump's plans in a second term. don't go anywhere. if you struggle. ♪ and struggle. ♪ and struggle with cpap. you should check out inspire. ♪ no mask. no hose. just sleep. inspire. sleep apnea innovation. learn more and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com

with five days to go, one of the key issues in the election and source of trump's most racist vitriol is the republican promise to carry out mass deportations. nbc news reports the former president is even considering halting federal france in effect defunding police departments, that decline to participate. the threat to the blue, the economy, and more than 20 million mixed status families in the u.s. is especially pronounced in arizona. where more than 5% of

households include at least one person in the country without authorization. it's also where we dispatched msnbc contributor for a closer look. >> reporter: this is interstate 10 from the southern border to phoenix. law enenforcement refers to it as a hot spot for drug and human trafficking. and county sheriff mark lamb the trump supporter patrols it every week. are you look for people that you suspect could be undocumented and how do you do it. >> the if you wear camouflage clothes and carpet schools that's a strong indicator you crossed the border. >> reporter: how do you ensureo don't racially profile. >> the activists try to find most obscure examples. we are not going to a gas station saying based on the color of your skin we want to talk to you. >> reporter: the sheriff joe

arpaio did that a federal district court found maricopa county sheriff's office did rely on racial profiling and illegal detentions to target latinos. >> this is united states of america. >> reporter: now, donald trump is threatening to take america back to the joe arpaio days. trump pledged to carry out the largest mass deportation in american history if he returns to the white house. trump says, he plans to deputize local law enforcement who he would give immunity to help him carry out the goal. his federal plans would face an uphill battle. but arizona's history provides a glimpse into what it could look like. 2010, sb1070 known as show me your i'mer empowered local police to detain anyone they suspected of being undocumented. today, 6 counties in arizona including pennal are under 287g agreements allowing certain local law enforcement to cross train as ice agents. if doubled trump wins he

promised to dep size local police to help him carry out his mass deportation plans would you help him? >> people broke the law. i absolutely agree he's going to need local law enforcement help to be able to do some level of mass deportation. >> reporter: that look like. >> hold people accountable. i don't know what the plan is what it would look like because we still have state laws. >> reporter: notably, trumps has nod say the how he would carry out the plans and paints a picture at rallies. >> getting them out will be a bloody story. >> reporter: estimated 22 million people live in mixed status families including over 10 million u.s. citizens. like leslie hernandez a daycare sipient her husband has a work permit, her mother is undocumented. and leslie and guillermo have twin daughters that are u.s. citizens and are in the middle of applying for college. have you discussed possibility

of a trump white house. >> as a family, personally, me and my husband, we have talked about maybe just moving to a different country. >> reporter: you would literally. >> well, somewhere. >> reporter: self-deport you've been thinking about? >> because another country it may be more welcoming. >> reporter: that's hard to even digest. >>. that's hard to even digest. >>. speaking in a global language. >> it's unfortunate that people like us have to go through things like that when we contribute a lot to the country. >> it almost don't feel real and especially with the kind of new policies that trump wants to instate in targeting immigrant children, which would be me and that seems unreal considering i would consider myself an american. >> i think that a lot of people will self-deport once they realize hey, i don't want to end up in being held accountable because under title 8 it's against the law to come

into the country illegally. so, it is going to be a big process a heavy lift and uncomfortable. >> it's going to be very uncomfortable. okay. what exactly does that mean? here to answer that question is ms nbc contributor and author of defectors rise of latino far right and a book i am reading. what does it mean. >> that's the question. think the point of showing the piece five days before the election is so people actually visualize what the mass deportation means. what does it mean to embolt bolden local police forces and embolden the antiimmigrant sentiments in the country. we have a sense from woman ration the heart of donald trump's mass deportation plans from donald trump's own words we know the following, he will try to empower local law enforcement to law people out. >> kicking in doors and going into residents restaurants. >> yeah we know he will try to invoke alien enemy act give the

federal government to deport, detain any nonu.s. citizen they believe is deemed from an enemy country. we know from operation the literally packed hundreds of people into trains, planes, ships, and literally dumped them in mexico with steven miller has told us is they are actively designing new militarized giant detention centers where they would pack all the families. and one more thing i think is important, a lot of people believe that we are talking about mass deportation plans that would just sort of affect undocumented immigrants. there's 22 million people in mixed status family. >> the american would be deported too. >> american families will be separate. if we were moralely outraged in 2018 when we saw the families deport and separated at the border, we are about to see that at a mass scale, in the interior, with american families. >> imagine being european who came without the authorization of indigenous people, or people who are the grandchildren of immigrants like stephen miller and having the nerve to decide

that people in a country that part of the country used to be mexico have no right to be here. imagine being that arrogant about your own citizenship and that violent and brutal towards other people fellow americans who are contributing far more than stephen miller has ever contributed. paiola excellent reporting. thanks very much and that he's tonight reid out. imagine. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight, on all in,. >> trump says he will be trump's economy czar. now he says to make the economy work better, we are going to have to crash it first. >> from elon's plan to hobble the american economy. >> that is hardship. >> trump's plan for an antivac health czar. >> there's no vaccine that's safe and effective. >> tonight the people and policy that will change