he surely wants his good friend donald trump to be president of the united states. two right-wing extremists working together. i think on this issue, even on this issue, harris is going to be far superior to trump, and we have a chance if millions of us get active on this issue to change u.s. policy in gaza. >> senator bernie sanders talking to trade units of folks on college campuses up with the video of. thank you. thank you. you, sir appreciate it. that is al >> good conversation. i'm glad you brought up that point about 68 because it can get worse. people think it can bottom out and they're goingca to make the statement but whether it's reproductive rights or gauze a, it can get worse.

>> i was going back and reading rick k carlstein and his book a part of voting shock is that shock of oh, my god, they're bombing another country? they started another war which isn't like it was litigated in the campaign. >> yes, and there could be things like that we're not talking about. happy halloween. and happy halloween to everyone joining us tonight. hopefully you've got candy by your side. if youry joining us, i hope yo costume was a hit. to be honest, i'm not sure anybody can beat this group costume. >> tim walz here. w and i'm passing the phone to someone who's going to fight for middle class and american families. >> tim walz here and i'm going to pass to phone to -- >> those were democratic governors from across the

country who decided to dress as various versions of vice presidential candidate tim walz for halloween this year. meanwhile, the real tim walz was on the campaign trail celebrating a different holiday. this year it happens to fall on diwali. this is what campaigning looks like on the democratic side of the race right now, trying to inject joy in. but democrats weren't the only ones trying something new today. earlier this afternoon donald trump held a campaign rally in albuquerque, new mexico, a state no republican candidate has won in 20 years. there's no indication republicans have a chance of changing that c this year. there's no reason to think that donald trump could winn in new mexico, c but that may not matt to donald trump because as far as he's concerned, he already

won the state twice. >> look, i'm only here for one reason. they all said don't come. i said, why, you can't win new mexico. i said, look, your votes are rigged. we can win new mexico. and let me tell you, i believe we won it twice. >> to be very clear, donald trump did not win new mexico twice. it wasn't t even close. he lost new mexico in both 2016 andbo 2020. but that's the trump campaign strategy right now. go to a state you lost twice, a state you're not expected to win this time, and just say that you won. there are five days left to go until election day, and as donald trump spends his time campaigning in blue states, his running mate is spending his time talking to right-wing pod casters from the manoverse. today the pod casters joe rogan released his full interview with vise presidential candidate j.d.

vance. pid they talked about sports to conspiracies like how anti-depressts cause mass shootings. >> the moment where i really started to get red pilled on the whole vaxx thing is the sickest i've been by far was the covid vaccine. i was in bed for two day, my heart was racing. i was like the fact we're not even allowed to talk about that -- no serious injury. but the fact we're not even allowed to talk about the fact i was sick i'd been for two days and the worst i'd had was a sinus infection. >> we're not even allowed to talk about this, says j.d. vance, while talking about it on one of the most widely listened

podcasts in the country. the vaccine j.d. vance is questioned wasd. developed duri his own running mate's administration when donald trump was president. it's clear they would rather spend the final days of this campaign with their base than reaching more voters. today arizona and nevada where she just finished a rally in reno. >> listen, donald trump's not done. did anybody hear what he had to say just yesterday? and i'll tell you it was outrageous. he said on the issue of freedom of choice, reproductive freedom, he said that he will do what he wants because, quote, because this is his perspective. he will do it whether the women like it or not. whether the women like it or not. can you imagine? we have an opportunity in this

election to turn the page on a decade of donald trump trying to keep us divided and afraid of each other. we're done with that. we're exhausted by it. we'reha done with that. we're done with it. and reno, this is the thing. we know that this is not who we are. that's not who we are, and it is time for a new generation of leadership in america. >> later tonight vice president harris holds another rally in nevada, this one in las vegas where she will be joined by jennifer lopez. joining us now john ralston, ceo of the nevada independent, and mia rupert, democratic political strategist. welcome to both of you for being with us tonight. maya, let's lean into this

again. donald trump's whole thing he would protect women, and now he says whether or not they want him to or not. if i where were donald trump i wouldld not talk about doing things for women whether they want him to or not. but the phrasing of it, that's not true. >> when we see donald trump taking some of these positions where it t doesn't make sense, he's sort of speaking nonsense, very clearly what is happening he's being told he has a problem with women, he needs to speak to women, but he doesn't have anythingn, to say. his policies are disastrous for women. he has a incredibly backwards agenda, project 2025 or on issues that impact women. he's making these off-the-wall claims that don't mean anything. and the reason they don't mean anything is he doesn't have

anything real to say. >> let's talk about nevada. particularly if for some reason kamala harris struggles in the blue wall states of wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. if she loses any one of those nevada becomes quite central to the decision making here. tell me about the early vote. there's a discussion about the fact thata state-wide gop earl votes exceed democratic votes, but how is someone like me supposed to think about that? does it mean something other than the fact you've got a presidential campaign who's not actually campaigning against early voting? >> they've changed, you're absolutely right. remember back in 2020 trump was telling republicans don't mail in your vote, don't early vote. it changed. they suddenly woke up and realized what a terrible strategy that was so they front loaded their vote. so for the first time in five presidential cycles you have

republicans banking votes than some democrats. the democrats have won the presidential race here four cycles in r a row in 20 years. it's been 20 years since republicans have won. things have changed a lot. we're now a state where mail ballots are very important, and there's still a lot of mail ballots out there,of and democrs dominate in mail ballots. so i wouldn't say that nevada is definitely going into the republican column, but the democrats have to hope a whole more mail-in ballots -- and there's a lot more independent voters now in nevada. the demographics have changed. there's the plurality democrats think the majority is going to for them. they're going to end up being 28, 29% of the vote, maybe even 30% of the vote. so it's far from over in nevada, but the republicans definitely have an advantage right now. >> maya, chris hayes was just

having a conversation with bernie sanders. there are a number of people c trying to address the issue of disaffected democratic voters, voters who are sort of dissatisfied, sitting on their hands insi the uncommitted movement, might be frustrated by biden's position on the issue of gaza. and a number of them making an argument saying i don't agree withdo biden or harris on this issue but i agree with them more than iag agree with trump. things can get worse under trump, and we will not have certain fights to fight if you decide to sit this one out. what's the best argument for either progressives or people who are still considering sitting this election out? >> i think there are two very strong arguments. one, i think, on the issues that people are concerned about, expressing concern about. i think what people need to remember when you elect a president, you never know what that person is going to be faced with. you have to deal with how you've

seen them sort of confront issues, what their temperament is and how they listen to people. i think we've already seen with kamala harris that she has listened to the progressive movement, the uncommitted voters, the people who are saying i don't like our policy in gaza. i think that that impulse, that instinct to listen, that instinct to say i can learn something new and change my mind, that's what we have to vote on. right? we never know what the situation of the person may be, and there's a stark difference with the way kamala harrisdi has approached issues with the way people disagree with her and the way donald trump approaches issues with people who may disagree with him. and i think it's a very clear choice. >> elon musk, from his posts on "x" you would get the impression he's fullyth running the ground game -- the get out the vote

game in several states including nevada. of course, nevada, known for that historic harry reed get out the vote operation. if you're following musk's posts they have mastered the ground game in nevada and that will change everything. >> elon musk may know how to build an electric vehicle, he may know how to eventually get to mars, but he knows nothing about get out the vote. it's why the democrats have won every presidential race here since 2008. but the demographics have changed and elon musk if nothing else he has a lot of money, and he has hired some good operatives including a guy by the name of chris carr who ho helpeded the governor win the race herehe in 2022. but you can't direct this stuff overnight, ali, and it takes a

long time to build a get out the vote infrastructure and register voters and make sure they get to the polls. democrats have advantages always over republican, having unions who are part of that machine and nonprofits who are out there in the various minority communities recruiting people to register the get out the vote. so if it were a fair fight, i'd take the read machine over elon musk and of course charlie kirk who's also part of this. the problem is for democrats it demographics have changed, ali, since barack obama won the state byon fairly large margins and tn hillary clinton and joe biden only won by 2.5 points, and now and the registration is very close. so they're concerned and no matter what elon musk is doing or not doing, this is probably a

close race. >> across the board the economy continues to be the biggest issue, almost alwayss is in evy election. even "the wall street journal" today has said that the next president will inherit a remarkablenh economy. a numberre of nobel prize winni economists have come out and talked about harris' economy. frankly, it's a strong economy. is there something about that message not fully resonating? because if people are economy voters, your choice is a little bit clear, unless you are a billionaire, in fact, in which case you should vote for donald trump. >> right. there does seem to be a bit of a disconnect. people are saying they're voting on the economy, they want answers on the economy. we havet a strong economy righ now under the biden-harris administration. and harris has put out plans for how she will continue to help poor and working families pay for things. donald trump has put out plans

that have been blasted by economists regardless of political affiliation because they are going to be just catastrophic for working families. again, there does seem to be -- people are saying they want to vote on an issue where it seems there would only be one clear choice. again, i think this iscl one of those situations where people -- people are being asked about something. they're not necessarily going to goey to a website. they're not necessarily going to go -- sort of listen, like read a plan. what theyd need is for people make it plain, and that's what the nextt' few days are about. which is why it's interesting donald trump seems to have given upo talking to people, he seem to be taking the tact he's only going to speak to the base, and i think we're going to see those differences play out over the next few days. >> one of the things you're

seeing clearly in nevada, john, is what the effect of the anti-immigrant sentiment some o campaign has been talking about, some of it specifically anti-latino or anti-haitian, whatever itno happens to be. is that manifesting, or are you hearing or seeing how that that's manifesting particularly about immigrant voters or voters descendants of immigrants? >> even though we're not a border ghstate, immigration has been an issue going back many, many cycles here because nevada has a very, very high undocumented worker population and a very big hispanic population that can be as much as 20% of the electorate. it's been well documented over the last few cycles that they have been more skeptical of the democratic party. i don't want to suggest the

latino vote is monolithic. they were disproportionately questioned here by covid, and even though we have recovered, ali, there are still some people suffering. a lot ofpe them are latino. and wile some of the polling shows they are drifting away, at least enough to maybe put trump over the top here, there is a sense among dems they are driftt least enough to maybe put trump over the top here, there is a sense among democrats hispanics generally make up their minds later than other voters, and they can still be coaxed into the democratic camp. that's what happened in 2022 when the first latina ever elected to the u.s. senate, catherine cortez masto, was seen lagging with the latinos but polls showed her getting to 60%. harris needs to get to 60%.

we've got much more to get to tonight. i'm going to talk to the democratic congresswoman from michigan, omalissa slotkin. but first i'll take a look at the keystone state where the harris campaign will hold its final rally on monday. i'll talkl to democratic senat bob casey about his re-election there that's next. b casey about there that's next.

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now for the next five days when we vote -- >> we win. >> pennsylvania win this thing for america. let's go. >> that's more than just words, pennsylvania win this thing for america. democratic vice presidential candidate and minnesota governor tim walz spoke to union members in bucks county, pennsylvania. now, bucks county is the only purple suburb of philadelphia that could very well swing the must that could very well swing the must win keystone state for either vice president harris or donald trump next week. polls show they're locked in almost a dead heat with leads for either candidate well within the margins of error. as for the pennsylvania senate race the democrat bob casey holds a slim lead over his opponent, dave mmm cormic. the last few days of the campaign are crucial which is why today they announced the

final location on monday right in front of the rocky steps of the museum in pennsylvania, the state she seems to be betting onto win this thing. joining me now democratic senator bob casey. senator, you are down to the wire. what's happening? what's changing in pennsylvania, if anything? >> ali, great to be with you. the difference in my race that you're seeing playing out right now is the influx of billionaires. out-of-state billionaires funding 80% of the television advertising for my opponent. so you have out-of-state billionaires funding in essence an out-of-state candidate because he lied about living in

pennsylvania when he's living in connecticut. the negative ads that comes with it, it's the reason this race is close. we're going to beat david mccormick and beat these billionaires, but the only way we can do that is continue to have the resources down the stretch to get the vote out and to get our message out. so i'd ask anyone who wants to help us in these last five days with $5, $10, anything you can send to go to bobcasey.org to help us. >> talk about the strategy as part of a statewide election in pennsylvania. what does that strategy look like? is it shoring up bucks county, which is one of the four collar counties around pennsylvania that ends up with a population larger than philadelphia and its pbering combined. is there winning little votes across the state that otherwise might go republican but add up to a higher vote total?

this truly has to be where this all goes down. >> yeah, i think it is all of the above. i think you described it pretty well. we have to get our base vote out across the state. i do, so does kamala harris and tim walz. and they're working at it every day to get the vote out. and the number of volunteers is at historic levels. we're thankful for that, but we've got to make sure we get our vote out in rural counties. and we've got 48 out of our 67 counties are rural, and there of them are republican counties as you can see on the map there. those rend counties you have to reduce margins. but i think the way we do it is not simply the work being done by volunteers, but candidates like me have to continue to make it clear what it differences are in this race. just on basic rights, voting rights and democracy, women rights, workers rights. there is no common ground between where i stand and my opponent stands. the same is true for the

presidential race. our side wants to protect voting rights and we've been working to do that. republicans have blocked us. i'm one of the senators that voted for the women's health protection act to restore roe. my opponent were he to be elected, would block that legislation. and same is true on workers rights, the so-called pro act to strengthen unions, my opponent would block that as well. and that's true at the presidential level where kamala harris would sign legislation protecting women's rights, workers rights and voting rights. >> and spent a lot of time in montgomery county where things continue to be complicated. if you accept the fact a citizen in this country has a right to vote, you should, in fact, eliminate all barriers. once again there are complicated things going on in philadelphia and the areas around it that are going to come up on election

night and beyond. how wereied are you about things that look like legal challenges to voting as opposed to counting in philadelphia -- in pennsylvania in general? >> well, i am concerned that on their side, the republican side, they continue to try to erect barriers to the right to vote. they're going to continue to weave and spin conspiracy theories and to try to make it more difficult to vote. i would not want to be a member of a political party where they want to shrink the voters, the number of voters. i want a big vote, and i hope we get 7 million voters this time instead of, you know, 6.8 or 6.9 where it was roughly last time, but they're going to continue to do that, but we're going to count every vote, and we're going to knock down any barrier to anyone wanting to vote no matter who they are. i think you can already see them laying the groundwork to try and play games. so i think if folks are concerned about our democracy and concerned about voting in addition to coming out to vote and getting others to vote, i

hope they'll help us with our voter protection efforts and other efforts we're undertaking to protect the right to vote, to count every vote. and so i'd ask them to help our party and go to votecasey.com. >> because of the way the election went last time around in 2020, those people in these democratic strong holds in pennsylvania take their role and responsibility as voters very seriously because they understand that there are a handful of places where this election will be ultimately decided, and they're in one of them. is that motivating? because i'm hearing it from my neighbors in pennsylvania that they understand that the history of this country and the future of this country might actually depend on them making sure they go out to not only vote on tuesday or beyond tuesday, but they're making sure somebody goes with them and they have the necessary discussions and debates and arguments to make sure their participation is full and heard on tuesday. >> no question they get it, and

they're working at it. i can't tell you the number of places i've been eastern and western communities in pennsylvania, the middle of the state, the north west and erie and so many other places where people are working night and day. the number of volunteers within pennsylvania and people coming from outside pennsylvania to help, people get it. they know what's at stake. they know that our democracy's at stake, and they're putting forth the maximum effort. they're knocking on doors and getting money, or they're contributing money and writing postcard. they're engaging their neighbors. they know it's all at stake in this election, and i'm very proud of the work the people of pennsylvania are doing to get the vote out, to make sure their friends and neighbors know how critical this election is. >> yeah, i hope the turnout is strong because folks there do seem to realize this is crucial. senator, good to see you. thanks for joining us, senator bob casey of pennsylvania.

still ahead in the battleground state of michigan donald trump is running neck and neck. polls are very close in down ballot races. i'm going to talk to alissa slotkin about her race for the senate in michigan. that's next. r race for the senate in michigan that's next.

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toss up for both presidential candidates. new polling from "the washington post" shows kamala harris leading donald trump in the wolverine state by just 1 point among likely voters. that is well within the margin of error which is 3.7 points. it's basically a dead heat. meanwhile, in the down ballot race the same poll shows a tight race between alissa slotkin and republican mike rogers. that is also within the margin of error. still a battle of inches in michigan both for the prezderancy and for the senate seat. more than 2 million voters have already cast their ballots. joining me now democratic congresswoman alissa slotkin running for that senate seat. i just talked to bob casey in pennsylvania. obviously the country is looking at pennsylvania but the other place we're looking at is michigan. it continues to be a tight race.

talk to me about what you're hearing on the ground. >> yeah, i think we're seeing amazing energy, first and foremost. between our absentee voting rates we're setting records for something new for us. there are a lot of people who avoid politics all together, they can't stand it so they don't to watch the programs and still out there making their decision. >> in michigan in particular there's been criticism on two fronts. one is the arab, muslim vote and the other is workers. the harris campaign in particular says they're doing both, they're reaching out to both groups of people.

but there's been criticism even from some of your fellow elected in the state who say that the national campaign can do a better job. do you believe that, and are you doing a better job in your campaign? >> well, look, i think the number one issue for 19 months i've been running is inflation, the economy, and people feeling like they want to do better. and if you're not talking to those issues, you're only having half a conversation. i think in particular making people understand the manufacturing boom we have going on right now, 44 factories we have being built from the ground up are from largely bipartisan or democratic initiatives, of good governance, investing in our supply chains and making sure people understand if you want more money in your pocket, we need good jobs, jobs with benefits, union jobs.

those are the kind of things we try to talk about because the number one issue by far in the state of michigan is the economy, and it's on us, those of us who are running, to make that case and to go to people even when they don't want to be engaged by political campaigns. >> yeah, i'm often confused by this because this does -- this argument about how donald trump and republicans are better for the economy, it's empirically not true, but they say things and people believe things, so what does it actually take, when you knock on a door or you have a conversation with someone who tells you they want to vote for your opponent because of the economy? what do you actually say to them? >> yeah, well, just to be clear i'm sure those nobel economists are great, but there are plenty of people right now who don't have enough money in their pocket, right, who feel they're making choices between groceries and pharmaceuticals and sending their kid to summer camp, and

that's a real thing. and this idea somehow people are just wrong about their own family finances i take issue with and i can show you the math on lots of people. i think the conversation is sort of where -- there are things we can do to keep more money in your pocket. number one, again those good jobs with dignity. health care, prescription drugs, house, child care, those kind of things that are just eating up your money. and keep more money in your pocket with a tax code that favors middle class people as opposed to the ultra-wealthy. it's not a silver bullet. there's no silver bullet to fix this. no matter how many harvard degrees someone has, there's no silver bullet. those the things we can work on together to ease that economic

pain. >> what happens to this group of people that continue to be surprised by arab and muslim leaders getting behind donald trump. what is the last message that can be said to that community in some cases they're feeling hurt, and in some cases the harris campaign is having meetings with them, but you've got to get their vote, too. what do you have to say to them? >> there's no way to understate how the issues are roiling, that's not a secret. we go to school together, we work together, we're friends. everybody here is friends, but it has created a ton of tension. all i can tell you is that we all know we need a negotiated cease-fire. we're working and trying again on just a ten-day cease-fire right now. it's not perfect, but i certainly think if the question is who would you rather have in the oval office listening to that community, it's kamala harris over donald trump any day of the week. >> congresswoman, good to see

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and i'm going to let him go wild on health. i'm going to let him go wild on the food, i'm going to let him go wild on medicines. >> i'm going to let him go wild on the food sounds like me at a buffet. he's promising he'll elect vaccine conspiracy theorist rfk go wild. >> the key is hhs and its subagencies, cdc, fda, nih, and a few others. >> now, for what it's worth last night's trump -- last night trump transition team cochair howard lutnic said rfk jr. will not actually get an official role within the administration, but in the same breath lutnic not only repeated rfk jr.'s thoroughly debunked claim that vaccines cause autism, which they don't, but he went onto explain how trump could empower

rfk jr. to end vaccines as we know them with or without appointing rfk jr. to any sort of official goal. >> all of these vaccines came out without product liability. here's what he said -- >> vaccines don't cause autism. >> he says if you give me the data, all i want is the data and i'll take on the data and prove it's not safe. and if you pull the product liability these companies will yank the vaccines right off the market. >> he used to be a very wellermented voice on wall street, by the way. i don't know about you, but after all these years of covid i would really rather not see vaccines, preventable diseases like measles and polio make a comeback because vaccines are pulled off the market. electing trump means giving power to all sorts of people that trump surrounds himself

with. >> i think, you know, the most effective thing to tell people is they're not just voting for trump and they're not just voting for kamala. they're voting for an apparatus. and with trump you're voting for me, you're voting for elon musk, you're voting for tulsi. >> that's going to get people to vote for trump. today with five days left before the election, trump started his day on the phone with the authoritarian leader of hungary, viktor orban who said, quote, he had his fingers crossed, end quote. he's ending it with an interview with far-right political commentator tucker carlson. these the people donald trump is choosing to surround himself with. these are the people that he could let go wild if he wins. >> what would a role for elon musk be? >> elon has a lot of roles he

could take because he's a very exceptional guy. i think he was treated very unfairly. >> can you say yes or no whether you've talked to vladimir putin since you've stopped being president? >> well, i won't comment on that. but i will tell you if i did, it's a smart thing. coming up we're going to turn to the swing state of north carolina. josh stein joins me next. carolina josh stein joins me next is it gone? totally gone. itch relief just got easier. apoquel. the trusted number one treatment for allergic itch is now available in a tasty chewable that works in a day. do not use in dogs with serious infections. may cause worsening of existing parasitic skin infestations or preexisting cancers and serious infections. new neoplasias have been observed. do not use in dogs less than 12 months old. ask your vet for apoquel chewable. do it!

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five days out from election day, north carolina remains a close race, and democrats are seeing mixed signals. one bright spot sp new polling from cnn that shows harris winning all important suburban voters in the swing state by 11 points, but at the same time democrats are worried about black voter turnout. according to early voter data, 18% of votes cast so far in north carolina have come from black voters. and politico reports that some democratic operatives say they must bump that up to about 20% for harris to be competitive statewide. joining me now to discuss gubernatorial candidate josh

stein. the early vote switch between last election and this election has everything to do with the fact you're telling people not to early vote and not to mail-in vote. why does it matter to you that some of these votes are coming from some places and not others? you've still got until tuesday to win this election. >> there's no question, your analysis is right, ali. a lot of it is just people who voted on election day last time voting in person. there are a lot of people who voted by mail last time who are voting in person early. we've got about 4 million people who have already cast their ballots here in north carolina. it's a lot of folks. the electorate, when you add it all up, it's going to be about 5 1/2 million. so there's 1.5 million casting their vote every day.

you want to have a smaller pool to try to encourage to go. >> let's talk about that. let's talk about the get out the vote situation. this is such a close election across this country and in states like yours, which could become all important on election night. tell me about how that's looking. in many cases this is going to be about who can convince their voters to actually get out there and vote. >> no question. and north carolina elections are always close. they almost always go down to the wire. we were three of the last four elections for president, north carolina was the closest state either that a democrat won in '08 or lost in '12 and '20. so getting out our people to vote is a critical part what we're about. the campaign has more than 200 field workers, more than 30 field offices. i have confidence that what we have been doing on the ground is more impactful than what the republicans are doing. we have to prove it come

election day, and that's what we're going to focus on over the next four or five days. >> talk to me about west carolina and the issues of voting. there are a number of counties affected by the hurricane and continue to be affected. how's that working right now? >> the turnout is very similar to what it was four years ago. yes, people's lives have been turned completely upside down. too many lives have been lost. too many houses or businesses damaged or destroyed. but people care deeply about their state and their country, and they're getting out there to vote. and i'm really happy about tat. >> talk to me about the effect of your race for governor, which is unusual. every year there are a couple of governor's races that are just wild and unusual. josh shapiro had one against doug mastriano in pennsylvania

the last time around. now you've got one. talk to me about how that plays in the vice presidential race or vice versa. >> it's tightening up mooch we are still working our tails off to win this election. we are still communicating, knocking on doors. if folks want to help me but other races close they can go to joshstein.org. and what we hope is that we're part of an effort that lifts all votes, that we have an incredibly important council state races, we have a supreme court race, we have a number of legislative districts wire to wire and neck to neck, and we have to break the super majority in north carolina. we're only one vote shy in north carolina. if we can do all the work we

need to do over the next five days, we can make this is great year for north carolina and a great year for our country. >> what are you hearing what the closing message needs to be from people who aren't fully there yet and what's the thing they need to put them over the top? >> i think it's that we understand people are struggling economically. costs are higher than what they're used to, so we have a message that's focused on lowering costs, medical costs, health care costs. and then we want to put more money in their pockets with a targeted tax cut. they go to middle and working class families. >> josh stein, good to see you. thank you as always for taking time to join us. running for governor of north carolina. good luck in your race next week. that is it for our show tonight. you can catch me back here weekends at 10:00 a.m. eastern. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is up next. his latest comment is just the most recent in a series of examples that we have seen from