everybody stayed because they had a feeling my mvp was so good and it is, it is john mccain. it has been several years since he passed away but there was this moment when he ran for president in 2008 that is really good to revisit today. at a campaign event, someone started to spread a lie, conspiracy theory about barack obama. john mccain immediately shut it

down, even leaning into it would have been politically advantageous. significant moment when it happened, 16 years later, to me, it feels more important than ever, choosing the truth, choosing decency instead of what is politically expedient. something to consider a few days out from tuesday's election. on that note, i wish you a good night. i'm so glad you're here spending this last friday before the election with me. for now, we are signing off. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up with me. see you monday. this is our final show before voters go to the polls on tuesday, four days from now.

no one knows what will happen, all indicators show the race to be neck and neck, there is no real favorite. election day could be a coin toss, maybe. then again maybe not. but maybe so. whatever happens, it is worth putting into perspective what we have been living through in this extraordinary political moment. in three months, the harris campaign managed to pull off what most campaigns could not go in three years, even before the first debate, donald trump had a narrow but consistent polling lead over president biden and that lead nearly tripled in the month after their first debate. since joe biden left the race, his successor used what little time she had to run an incredibly nimble and responsive campaign nearly devoid of controversy. she generated considerable new enthusiasm among voters of all ages and races, turning a significant gap with donald trump into a banishing margin

of difference. critics said her campaign was too light and specifics, she released policy and offered specific outline of the harris agenda. when they said she was not taking enough questions from the press, she got down for national television interviews and podcasts, i guess what you could call an interview on fox news. the one and only debate, kamala harris beat donald trump handily and then offered him shot after shot after shot at another one. as she moved the race back into the margins under extraordinary pressure and scrutiny all around, the harris campaign avoided in fighting and anonymous backstabbing, kind of stuff that plagued nearly every presidential campaign this century. and yet, despite everything we know about her opponent, donald trump, despite everything trump did in his first term, despite

his efforts to overturn the last election, despite his two impeachments, has four indictments, 86 criminal charges, and 34 felonies convictions, despite found liable for sexual abuse, despite his racism and misogyny them and xenophobia, despite his professed admiration for dictators and his pledge to be a dictator himself on day one. despite all of that, there is still 50% chance he could once again be president of the united states. some of that is due to the durable and still growing fascist movement in this country, a movement of people that embrace donald trump in spite of his cruelty but because of it. as we think about the future of this country, even beyond election day, we should not deny that movement exists. trump's coin toss chance at re- election is also due in part to

a very weak republican party. there have been notable exceptions, people like liz cheney and adam kinzinger, john kelly, republicans who stood up to trump at significant personal and professional cost. there have been far more profiles in cowardice, people like mitch mcconnell and nikki haley, and nearly every single elected republican who is not on the verge of retirement, they have all been penny to a man that they know will turn on them as soon as it is convenient. maybe even before then. trump's chance at winning is also due in part to the self interest of america's billionaire class. some of them have stifled dissent to curry favor with trump, others abandoned their prior criticisms and backed trump in the hopes he might cut their taxes again. and of course, there is the world's richest man, trump's own wing man, who literally

leapt to trump's side in his quest for unchecked power. all of that has mattered, all of that is why donald trump might win again. there is another very important factor in all of this, something that kept trump in range of the presidency once again, that is civic disengagement. a pervasive disinterest and fatigue with american politics that trump has further exploited by numbing the american populace to the things that would have once shocked them. people who have been failed by a fragmented information ecosystem that made this information seems fact-based as actual information and left people misguided or confused and ultimately apathetic to i myself saw it firsthand a month ago when i traveled to a union hall in swing county and swing city of saginaw, michigan, to talk to some of the voters who might decide this election.

>> reporter: are you going to vote? >> i'm not. >> reporter: just to be clear, you're okay with either outcome . >> i am. >> reporter: is anybody undecided? okay. >> i'm undecided because i have not seen enough of it yet, i need to pay closer attention and do more independent research before i make my judgment. >> reporter: there have been news stories about the candidates that made its way to your information feed? >> not particularly. it is how people act around this time, it is a little crazy. i try not to partake so much. >> reporter: what does the deciding process look like for you? >> sleeping on and tells me what my heart is best for the country, being american, we have the right to vote so it is a blessing. just take my time with it. >> reporter: how do you think you will ultimately decide? we talked to one gentleman who says i will go with my heart on

election day. >> as the election comes closer, i think the more that i see in the truth that ends up coming out, i will make a more educated -- >> reporter: you need more time? >> yeah. >> reporter: if the union does not endorse a candidate and you are left to decide on your own, first of all, do you think you're definitely going to vote? >> i will definitely vote. >> reporter: how atdecision? >> i will still be conflict in the voting line. >> reporter: literally game time call? >> i think so. >> reporter: are you going to vote? >> i'm undecided, i need to do my research and make that decision. i don't look into it too much. >> reporter: is the one issue you really care about? >> the economy, can afford to buy house or by your family food, nothing else really matters. >> reporter: you think you will vote in november? >> i'm not sure yet, i'm waiting until something pops out at me, i don't know what yet that could be. >> reporter: has any political event or news crossed your

radar recently where you thought -- >> not really i don't think but i try not to talk about it with my friends because they get into heated arguments so i try to stay out of it. >> reporter: would you say you are an undecided voter? >> yeah, i'm pretty in the middle right now. >> according to the latest polling, undecided voters are 4% of the population, while reasonable estimates, this looks like the tightest race in modern political history, meaning those undecided voters are the ones who might very well choose the next president and take the country down one of two radically different path . joining us is melissa murray, co-host of the strict scrutiny podcast and michelle goldberg, opinion columnist at the u new york times. ladies, the last show before election day and what i think, it is all stressful but i think

one of the factors that makes it extra-stressful is the notion that these potentially inconsequential factors like weather or traffic or rain or how someone feels getting up that day, those could be the votes that decide who is president in 2025. i wonder how your thinking about the margin right now and the risk factors, if you will, michelle. >> i think the margin, no matter how it comes out, something so dark about this country. honestly, if 30% of the population or 40% was going to vote for donald trump, you could still say, what has gone wrong in american society that this is attractive to people? it is truly terrifying that our kind of democratic birthright, so many of the liberal democratic assumptions we grew up with, we assumed we would be

able to pass on to our children are a coin flip away from being protected or lost. >> melissa, i feel like there is widespread understanding of the stakes of the election, especially on the left. there is a real sense, as michelle says, is a coin toss between one form of government and something very different and much darker. there's a new piece in the atlantic, on the cost of trump's potential return to power, the resistance feels like a relic of another era, the sense of outrage that carried biden to victory is not what it once was. is that the experience you had, you agree? >> not entirely. we are living in a world there are two different political realities, two different socioeconomic realities and they are in conflict. when we went around the country this summer talking to black women, i would say almost to a person, many of them understood

that this election was about democracy. democracy was on the line, that did not mean all of them were ready to vote and ready to vote for kamala harris but they recognized there was a serious existential threat to democracy. not everyone believes that, obviously. in the same way, not everyone believes there is an economic crisis. there are those on the coast who believe this economy is rebounding. all economic indicators indicate that is in fact the case. in the middle, there are those that feel something different and their economic reality is not like what everyone else is experiencing on the coast. we have this complete misalignment and are literally at the point where people are going to continue corroding democratic institutions to the point they may fall apart because they believe so strongly the price of milk is too high and we cannot disabuse them of that in the same way we cannot disabuse individuals of

the view we are literally on the precipice of becoming something that is not a democracy area >> i wonder if we should parse the question about who feels this most? who feels the stakes most closely and viscerally because i think back to january 21st of 2017, i'm so bad with the years, the women's march. the resistance was in large part, the kind of kickoff moment for the official resistance, it was led by women. i feel like when you talk about the stakes, there is a class of americans, women, who really understand because of the abortion decision and when this happened to women's healthcare, reproductive health care more broadly in this country, they feel the difference between having a president who is republican/conservative and one who is not. >> i think part of what made the resistance so powerful was a sense of shock. the masses of people let down their guard and allow this to happen and then they can mobilize and treated as aberrant

and undo it. there is some how we could return to adia of america that existed before the election in 2016. i think if trump, particularly after january 6th is restored to power, nobody will be able to say, this isn't who we are. it will quite clearly be who we are. at the same time, yes. i think especially, initially, you will see a lot of despair and withdrawal and people pulling back into what they call in other countries, internal exile in the aftermath. it is so degrading, so defiling . at the same time, trump will give people a million reasons to mobilize. i wrote in my column today, he is telling the truth about setting up a network of camps, internment camps in this country, to round people up by the millions and imprisoned

them, there will eventually be -- >> mounted and fierce resistance. >> what truly terrifies me is that we know from the generals who worked with trump, that is a moment in which he wants to six the army on the american people. this has been a hard thing to convey to voters, it did not happen before, why would happen next time? the people who stopped it from happening before out there trying to warn us. >> i think everything about the resistance is that maintaining that energy for such a long period of time is exhausting. we talk about all the time with regard to the court, you have to stay in it if you want to see what the court is doing, you cannot be episodic court watcher. >> lifetime of pointing. >> it is and lifetime for us watching them. that is hard, hard to sustain that. people are exhausted of dealing with this. and to a certain extent, the crazy has been normalized. what he has done over the

course of eight years no longer seems aberrant or weird, here he goes again, here we go again. i think we have to decide, are we going to pack a lunch and limber up, this is america or do we think this is a sprint and dust them off and it would be over? >> that is why i bring up abortion, talk about what is driving people to the polls, we care about the economy, number one issue, for women, two issues tied, abortion and the economy. one of those things were dying and hearing stories about people dying does not ever become normalized.'s day and i just say, we know the names of four women who died, i would have thought that in itself would have caused a renewed mass movement. >> in other countries. >> i don't know about why it has not created a mass movement but i don't know it is not resident in the fact you are hearing reports in propublica

today, pregnant women are essentially untouchables. health law and policy professor at george washington university, the idea if you're just pregnant in this country, especially in a red state, you have to worry about whether you will get care at an emergency room. that is a constant and pervasive fear that will live in women's minds regardless of where the headlines in the media is. >> they live in women's minds, the question is how to make it live in the men you talked to in michigan. that means connecting it to the tropes they were talking about, the masculine trope of protector, provider. we have to connect to them, part of being a protector or provider is making sure your wife does not die on the operating table which means you have to be in it for these questions. it is not about abortion, it is about healthcare. >> about your daughter, your mother, your sister, your wife, your neighbor.

>> about being a protector. speed i don't know, in 2016, women made up 53% of the vote, in 2020 they made up 52%. the optimism this year is that they make up 55% of early vote in the battleground states. that could be the whole ball game if women are choosing to vote on one of their top two issues which is abortion. we will see. michelle goldberg, thank you for your time, melissa murray, lifetime appointment, please stay with us. we have a lot to get to this evening including more from my recent decision with black men in pennsylvania on their thoughts on the democratic ticket. oh boy, there he is, america's sweetheart, steve kornacki at the big board. can you feel the rush, america? we talk about what to expect on election day and how long it may take to find out who the next leader of the free world will be, that is next.

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frankly, we did win this election. we won -- want all voting to stop, we don't want them to find any ballots at 4:00 in the morning and add them to the list, okay. >> just past 2:00 a.m. election night in 2020, donald trump falsely claimed victory and called for the vote counting to stop. the reality was the result of the election was still unclear. news networks did not start calling the race for biden for four days. trump's false claim of victory temporarily boosted by the red mirage, same-day votes, counted first, tilted toward trump. because of the pandemic, a record number of americans voted by mail and those votes, that took days to count, gave biden the white house. what should we expect this year and when should we expect it?

joining me is msnbc national political correspondent, the great steve kornacki. it is so good to have you here tonight, i'm so thrilled to get an early preview of what you're thinking. can we talk about the state of pennsylvania? i was camped out in front of city hall more days than i care to remember, do you have any expectation their ability to count votes and return a call will be any faster this year than 2020? >> famous last words, we can be cautiously optimistic about the speed of the account in pennsylvania, most if not all the battleground states. why in pennsylvania? a lot of people would say, this is true, they did not change any laws in pennsylvania, they had a chance to, to expedite this. that did not happen, we have seen in pennsylvania and elsewhere, voting by mail is down from 2020. during the pandemic, a lot more people using it, they were at home, did not want to go out

and mail really clogged it in pennsylvania and these other states, especially pennsylvania because they never processed it before. now they have a few election officials of dealing with mail- in voting. they will not have the massive numbers they had before, they will have plenty of it but not the massive numbers. indications some of these counties, they did not count overnight last time, i think you will get more round-the- clock counting as well. lots of opportunities, even for pennsylvania to be faster. >> can we talk about what triggers recounts in battleground states? in arizona and pennsylvania, if the margin is tight enough, automatic recount, what does it look like holistically across the seven key states? >> the important thing to know is there some kind of provision any candidate can have a recount if they want, they may have to pay for in some cases. there are provisions for the recount to take place. in pennsylvania, automatic if

0.5% statewide. in michigan, it is automatic but stringent, that is a two, 2000 votes or fewer. when trump won michigan in 2016, the margin was 11,000, starting to get to that range, it was 154,000 last time. automatic recount there, a lot of the others, if it is very close and a candidate one set, they can have it, it may cost them money but they can do it. >> with that in mind, what are the counties you are most eagerly watching on election night that will be, if we call them that, bellwethers for the ultimate result? >> so many, what a question. >> sorry, give me your top three . >> 3143. speak i know, like asking willy wonka to pick his favorite candy. >> i will give you a couple to look at, let's go to georgia. pull up the 2020 results, i

call this the blue blob, nine corps democratic counties in the immediate atlanta metro area, these are getting much bluer election to election, more than 40% of the boats inside here. one of my key questions, democrats are having a good night, is the blob getting bigger? if it gets bigger, it will happen in this county right here, fayette county. joe biden lost this by seven points but take a look what is happening in fayette county. mitt romney won this to the one in 2012, came down to 19 points in pre-c 16, down to seven, this trend continues and fayette flips, it is a sign democrats are getting what they want out of georgia. that is number one. look at north carolina, 7:30 pole close, charlotte is a big city, one of the two big populations, go to the east of charlotte, bedroom communities of union county, big suburban county. this is different from fayette, it is still overwhelmingly

republican suburb but it is more subtle. take a look in 2020, trump in 2016, trump won by 30 points. it came down to 24, important question for trump he won carolina both times but the margin cut more than and half. this was significant part of the reason why, does he start this drainage or does it get worse? does a clawback to 2016 or regress further? that is key because a lot of counties like union around north carolina. we talked about pennsylvania, close out the third county in pennsylvania. it is not the original, scranton, where joe biden is from, take a look at the political journey lackawanna county has been on, so many counties in the big ten states are like this, obama won lackawanna in landslide, 20 points. look at 2016, trump got down to

3.5 points, biden, the scranton native comes along and gets it back to the high single digits. i want to know, is is going back to 2016? is trump flipping lackawanna county, that is what his folks want to do, flip this and win this. the games democrats made, small relative to what they used to have, single-digit, democratic victory for democrats. >> you are such a wizard. for a moment, a brief moment my anxiety and stress turned to excitement. i can't wait to see you back at the big board tuesday night, you are a national treasure. thank you for giving us an early preview, steve kornacki, see you on tuesday. still ahead tonight, kamala harris on track to overwhelmingly earn the vote of black america next week but will her margin of victory in that voting bloc be enough to win the whole election? i talked to melissa murray and rashad robinson with color of change coming up next. never “who's waldo?”

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why kamala or donald trump, the most important factor of this election is that influence matters. why not donald trump, i see what his influence does to racism, bigotry, those trying to suppress us in silence since 2016 doing it in our face. i felt what it meant to be a

black man in the united states from 2016 to 2020. i saw him as president, the world leader, dealt with george floyd. i saw how he dealt with us during the pandemic. donald trump lost my vote from 2016 to 2020. how is kamala earning my vote? she is not donald trump, to me, it is that simple. if you are black men and look like me, you should have felt the same thing i felt four years ago so you should not be voting for trump. if you're a woman, you should not be voting for trump. if you're a man who has a mother, a daughter, who has a wife, who has a niece, i don't see how your voting for trump, i can't for the life of me figure out how this election is so close. that is why i retired, why we are exhausted. >> kamala harris is the right choice for president because she has the right policies, the right ideas, she is full of fight in terms of her leadership

, and she is here for our community. i think that sometimes we have to as a black community, especially black men, we have to say, you have to get away from the fact that donald trump may sound like your homeboy from down the street but he is really not. i think the reality is, kamala harris is that person that is the most genuine person in the race. >> i'm on the fence, i don't know who to vote for, i'm not going to lie. two things catch up with me, one is the money thing. i do think trump is [ bleep ], no question about it. from my experience with life, i made more money with [ bleep ] then nice people, to be personal. kamala, one thing i don't get, everything she says it sounds beautiful, emotionally i want to vote for her, when i see the ad, given the transgender surgery in jail, why the [ bleep ] wasting money on that or giving all this money to an

immigrant when we have these homeless people? why are we wasting money, why take care of everybody else when we can't take care of our own? >> vice president kamala harris overwhelmingly on track to win support of black voters. very real gender gap, 81% of black women in swing states are voting for harris according to recent howard university pole while 59% of black men say that they will do the same, that is significantly lower than the 79% of like men who voted for joe biden in 2020 and the 82% of like men who voted for hillary clinton in 2016. back with me as melissa murray and joining us as rashad robinson, the host of the podcast, voting while black and the spokesperson for the pac, color of change. so great to have you here tonight. it is not a question kamala harris will win the support of black america in this race. interesting phenomenon happening, what is happening in the black community is applicable to what is happening across all communities, regardless of race, the deep

gender divide. there is a 23% drop off, if you look at the polling, 23% drop off in terms of black male support for the democratic ticket 2016 to now. similar drop-offs among latino men, not quite the same, and white men, who have always supported donald trump, will continue to. talking about it as a gender gap, i wonder if you can offer insight into why, for example, it is happening in the black community, if at all? >> it is happening at all communities, historically, black men have voted with the women of the race more than any other group of men. black men historically voted for pro-women, pro-abortion, pro- civil rights, pro-lgbt candidates more than any other group besides black women. this drop off that we are seeing, i think is indicative of the larger cultural of

misinformation that traveled and hit people, it is the result of underinvestment reaching and engaging black men like you actually need them. and at the level required to i actually think when the votes are counted -- we were hearing this the last election, we were hearing this four years ago, there would be this drop off in black male voters. hearing it across the board and it did not happen at the size and scale necessary. donald trump is going around saying what he will do and what he has done for black communities and black men. what we know is what he has done to us, he has executed at the federal level, executing more black men than executed in decades. he weapon iced the department of justice to no longer investigate, you know, all sorts of police brutality. he has promised to bring stop

and frisk federally so that police are immune completely immune, regardless of what they do violently, whether they steal from us, all sorts of things. we have to continue right through the tape of election day of saying that and being in the conversations, whether at the barbershop, group family chats, continuing to hit and engage people with the facts but also the message that we actually cannot go back. >> i do wonder, melissa, if there is anything to the notion there is realignment more broadly happening with working- class voters and the democratic party? we are told anecdotally, some of the priorities, whether the focus on abortion or social and cultural issues that are part of the discussion, if not actual policy on the left, has

alienated, i put this in quotes because i do not think it is fundamentally a leading in nature but perceived as alienating to other parts of the nation, is there cause for concern in term of realignment? >> the democratic party, the party of rich college-educated people and women. i want to push back on this, i think this narrative has been hyped a lot in this election cycle and almost no pushback from the media. we talked to them and like you saw in philadelphia, the men that you talked to in michigan, they are lamenting, rightly so, the loss of manufacturing jobs, good blue-collar jobs. why isn't anyone asking them, when do those jobs go away? it was not under democrats, it is under republicans. this is the same party, the party that purports to be the party of the working class but has literally run the son of a millionaire five of the last six election cycles, make that make sense. i think that is the question, making sure that people understand what you are grieved

about, who is actually responsible for and the real question about civic engagement and whether voters actually know who to attribute certain policies too. we had a lot of black men talking about the stimulus checks. those were not donald trump's stimulus checks, his name was on the but they were passed over his objection by a democratic congress led by nancy pelosi. that is pelosi money, not donald trump's stimulus. that needs to be conveyed. we talked to black women in the nail shop in washington, d.c., they were bemoaning the fact joe biden had not done anything to adjust police brutality in washington, d.c. and we had to push back and say that is not a presidential problem, that is a muriel bowser problem. joe biden, as president, past one of the most sweeping executive orders that funneled grants into police departments to track police brutality, police violence, issue consent decrees over police departments like the one in minneapolis that killed george floyd. that was massive reform that

did have real impacts on communities of color and that message needs to be gotten across but it cannot be received if people do not have the basic civics education to understand what the branches of government do and who is responsible for. >> i think one of the most important things that happened the late stage of the selection is barack obama out on the campaign trail saying, you guys like the trump economy, that is because it was my economy that he inherited, truly, it is to your point. this was built by a democrat, not donald trump. i guess, i'm asking you one thing, i feel like the answer, i'm not suggesting the democratic party has become the party of elite liberal women. the reality is, democratic policies disproportionately benefit the working-class and middle-class, how do you effectively get that message across to the working-class voters, who in many cases will decide the selection box >> it is not just what we say

on the left, it is what we do, who we show up for and how we show up. one of the things i think is important regardless of what happens in the selection for the left is that we have to tell a more clear and powerful start of what is standing in the way of change when change does not actually happen. if we don't take on issues of corporate power, when we can't get something over the line, not just talk about corporate power in the abstract but actually name names and be very clear because what we know is that not naming names will not get us any fans and friends after the election. we have watched this election, billionaires, time and time again standing with donald trump are the ones that should be standing by donald trump being sent and enabling folks like elon musk, standing behind these really horrible voices willing to put us all in harms way as long as there is a check at the end for them. if we can't actually do that

work, name and shame and hold them accountable, we are not going to build the type of power and energy we need to win. >> the naming names thing seems like the graduation past. in all honesty, the biden years, there was a sense you wanted to keep the door open. the republican party has proven itself so i'm interested in that, any actual governance, the gloves are off, let's go, this is our reality, time to fight. okay, rashad, duly noted. melissa murray and rashad robinson, thank you both for your time tonight, really appreciate you guys on this friday. do not miss the election special election coverage, melissa's co-hosting this weekend called black voters, the road to the 2024 election that airs this sunday at 4:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up, both candidates deliver their final pitch tonight in the potentially decisive badger state, the state of wisconsin. the chair of the democratic party of wisconsin joins me to discuss that on the other side. stay with us.

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janesville, wisconsin this afternoon, one of several events she attended today in her final push for votes in the badger state and she is not done yet. looking at a live picture of a harris rally and concert held at the wisconsin fair park exposition center in milwaukee, which will feature performances from cardi b, the isley brothers , and others. donald trump, meanwhile, also hold a rally in wisconsin tonight seven minutes away. joining me is ben wikler, chair of the democratic party of wisconsin who attended one of harris' events in his date tonight. thanks for being here, what do you make of the campaign's attention on your state the final stretch? >> wisconsin makes beer, cheese, brats, presidents of the united states to whoever wins wisconsin will be the next president and i think it will be kamala harris. >> okay, which is the close son, what is harris talking about and what is trump talking about in the final stretch, as it were?

>> harris has a pitch perfect closing pitch in wisconsin. the first thing is fighting for middle-class families, working folks, ringing costs down, fighting for the right to organize, union, fighting to ensure the government is there to support people with child tax credit, childcare, helping folks get covered by medicare whether aging at home, starting a business or buying the first home, government should be on the side of working people. you can do that if you tax billionaires and huge corporations and pay their fair share. that is the first piece, the second is freedom, the freedom to make your own decisions about your own body, lead the life you want to lead without the government telling you what to do. the third piece of democracy in a state battered by maga extremism for trump tried to overturn the last election. she is making a clear contrast between a president who will give people who disagree with her a seat at the table and someone who wants to be a dictator. the trump closing messages all fear and division and his promise to be a dictator on day one. i think the harris message is a

little more appealing, especially for big tent party, the only way to win in a state like wisconsin. trump is trying to rip the country in half and kamala harris is trained to bring it together. >> what can you tell me about the possible impact of her final pitch on union members? they will be a key vote in your state. >> absolutely, wisconsin is a state where workers fought and died for organizing rights, including the massacre in milwaukee county in the 1880s. this is a state with deep roots in the labor movement. republicans were mostly smashed unions and ripped apart the right to organize across the state. harris represents a new way forward that calls forth the best progressive tradition, the state motto is literally, forward. she talks about her every time she is here. the state she spent time as a kid. for working wisconsinites across the state, rural areas, small towns, cities, suburbs, there is a sense that if you are

on the side of working people in wisconsin, even if someone might not normally be democrat, they might vote for you and for democrats. it is energizing to hear someone squarely pitch their message at working families. i think this is a very strong way to close in wisconsin alongside the freedom message and democracy message. trump joked about firing union members, very clearly a scab himself, on the side of the union busters. there is a deep contrast there. this election, i think the economic shoe is on the harris foot, so to speak. i think we will win the economic argument in the badger state. >> in your state in 2016, 3 million people voted him in 2020, 3.3 million voted, it is known to be a state with high voter turnout, are you thinking the 2024 election will eclipse those numbers? >> it is possible, we have more than 1.3 million ballots cast already, that is by far the most in any election other than covid in 2024 ballots cast

before election day. they're still early voting in madison and what cocky -- milwaukee. massive election daytona could push those numbers higher. i think for any democrat who feels the wind is at their backs, you are right. the member that attends trumpeters the last two presidential elections turned out on election day, a lot of them have same day registered for it is critical in the last push to recruit everyone you know to cast a ballot anyone that wants to volunteer to help, you can go sign up. we want to make sure everyone is bringing everyone they know to the polls so we can smasher turnout records and make this a great night for democrats. >> ben wikler, thank you for joining me and good luck in the badger state. we are back with a hot weekend to, stay with us.

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