it is going to be a busy few days, yell. i mean, the three of us, we are going to be right back here tonight at 9:00 eastern. we will see you all and have a special "the weekend" episode. you will see my exclusive interview with second gentleman doug imhoff, his last interview before election day. tomorrow, we will air the rest of my conversation with the second gentleman back here tomorrow at 8:00 eastern. i will be back at the table with my friends in new york. be sure to follow us on social media, all at "the weekend" msnbc. do not go anywhere, because velshi will continue our coverage right now. >> i am offering two thirds of a hug, because two thirds of you are here in new york right now. this season is filled with a

lot of anxiety and uncertainty, but the three of you being here is going to be amazing. thank you for another great show this morning. rest up, it is going to be a busy week. "velshi" starts right now. must be close to elections. we got the big open, this big studio. good morning to you. it is saturday, november 2nd. it is the final weekend of the 2024 campaign. three days remain until the final ballots are cast on election day. this morning and all throughout the day, we will keep a very close eye on the campaign trail as kamala harris, donald trump, their running mates and mini surrogates make a final lift through the states to rally supporters and try to win over those last remaining undecided or unmotivated voters. the vice president is heading down south this morning to rally voters in atlanta, where her supporters have turned out in huge numbers for past rallies

this cycle. afterwards, she will travel to charlotte, north carolina, a short drive away from the town of gastonia, where people are already gathering this morning for a trumpet rally that is due to start at noon eastern. it will be the first of three scheduled rallies for the former president today. he is also expected to make stuff in salem, virginia this afternoon and back in north carolina later tonight. with a few days left to make their case to the relatively small number of voters in a handful of swing states that will decide the outcome of this election, the two candidates are scheduled to make multiple stops in places where they were will nearly cross paths with one another. that happened last night. harrison trump held dueling rallies just six miles apart in milwaukee. they nearly took the stage at the same time. the closing messages could not have been more different. >> on tuesday, you have to stand up and you have to tell kamala that you've had enough, that you can't take it anymore.

just five months ago, everybody was saying, she can't run, she is grossly incompetent. she's the worst vice president in history. we are not going to take it anymore, kamala. you are fired. get the hell out of here. >> unlike donald trump, i don't believe that people who disagree with me are the enemy. he wants to put them in jail. i will give them a seat at the table. that's what real leadership is about me that is what strong leadership is about. >> as of this morning, nearly 67 million ballots have already been cast by people who have taken part in early, in-person and mail in voting around the country. yesterday was the final round of voting in-person insert

keystone states like nevada. the option is still available in a number of states this week and for people who want to avoid lines or might not have the time to do so for whatever reason on election day. joining me now is independent senator bernie sanders of vermont, chair of education labor and pensions committee, also a member of a number of other committees, including veterans affairs and budget committee. senator, it is great to see you. you and i have had so many opportunities the last two years to talk about healthcare, climate in the last year about israel and gaza. we will touch on those things in a minute. i want to touch on something i've been talking to us about four literally decades. been warning, billionaires are controlling our political system and economy. of until now, the billionaires have largely not agreed with you. they have sort of that, whatever , we are doing our thing in quiet. that has changed. donald trump has his own emotional support billionaires now, and they are saying be quiet parts out loud. they are

out there needing him to win so that their hegemony can continue. >> well, what you are seeing is a result of citizens united. it is really the underlying of american democracy in a way we have never seen. you have a small number of billionaires pouring hundreds, and hundreds of millions of dollars, led by elon musk, and this is nelson and others, into donald trump. billionaires are also there for harris. the bottom line is, while we have got to elect harris on tuesday, our long- term goal is to get big money out of the political process, get rid of this disaster is citizens united supreme court decision, and public funding of elections, or else. at a time when the handful of billionaires control the economy, they will also control completely our political system, and that is not the direction in which we should be going. >> you made a remarkable closing argument you posted to

the internet the other day that is going around and i wanted to talk to you about this. the point you are making, this might actually be the difference in winning and losing for kamala harris. that is, there are many topics on which you do not agree with the biden administration, you do not agree with kamala harris, you do not agree with a lot of democrats, but have decided that you would like to support the candidate over home you may have the greatest influence, against whom you may protest, will not do more damage than good in the end. this is an important conversation that a lot of uncommitted voters need to hear. a lot of people are pretending they want to sit on their hands or vote for a third candidate, need to hear right now. the presidency is not a custom- made seat for you. it is a best bet. you vote for the person you think will be better, not worse. >> look, i have been running around the country, doing my best to see that kamala is our next president. it is not just that trump is trying to undermine american

democracy. it is not just that trump literally does not believe that climate change is real, he thinks it is a hoax. which means, if he is elected, the struggle against climate change is offering, god only knows what kind of planet our kids and future generations will inherit. it is not only that we struggle to make sure that women have the constitutional right to control their own bodies, as you just said, ali, i think there are eight lot of people that strongly disagree with biden and harris on gaza. in fact, as soon as congress reconvenes, i have a resolution that is going to get to the floor of the senate, which has no more offensive the sales to this horrific netanyahu government that is laying waste to the palestinians in gaza. horrific humanitarian disaster. i disagree with biden and harris

on that. what i want to say to the people that want to sit it out, even on that issue, forget climate change, forget income wealth and equality more tax breaks to billionaires, forget women's rights. even on that issue, the republicans are far, far worse than the democrats. at a time when children are facing massive malnutrition, and starvation in gaza, gaza has been leveled by netanyahu, we cannot get the republicans to put one nickel into humanitarian aid to feed starving children in gaza. even on that issue, we will have much more leverage over the harris administration that we will over the trump administration. trump and netanyahu are both right wing extremists, they are in bed together. i would hope very much that people who are thinking of sitting it out, may be voting third party, please don't do that, even on this issue, we have a better shot to bring about change in u.s. policy with harris in the white house

then with trump. >> we have largely during the course of the election aborted the conversation, you do not feel that the current administration has gone as far as you would like. you and i have shared the view that america should have had universal healthcare like every other country does. micah johnson floating this idea that they will get rid of even obamacare, but donald trump, when asked in a debate what his idea was, he says, he has got a concept of healthcare. we have been talking about healthcare in this country for 100 years, and he has got a concept, not an actual plan. >> and he was president for 4 years, right? actively involved in politics 12 years, and he has a concept. look, the affordable care act, obamacare, has provided subsidies to millions of people and it has helped people. i think the vast majority of the american people understand the current healthcare system is broken it is dysfunctional. its

main function is to provide huge profits for the insurance industry and for the drug companies. the industries are making huge profits. we need, as you just indicated, to do what every other major country on earth does. at a time when we are spending twice as much per capita on healthcare as other people, yeah . we need to move to a medicare for all single pay system, no out-of-pocket expenses, go to any doctor you want. we need to substantially lower the cost of prescription drugs so we are not paying five times as much as people in other countries for the same drugs. in that area, i think the biden/harris team have worked, they have done a good job. we have seen reductions in prescription drug prices, but we've got to continue that. >> partially, that is because people like you have been a gadfly in this. that is your proof. your argument is, but for the person you want. let them do that. thank you, senator, i will go to the vice president right now speaking in milwaukee.

we appreciate bernie sanders joining us. i will continue to remind people go to i will vote.com to know where you vote and how you can vote in terms of in-person, and all of those other details that are very important to exercising the power in your vote in this very critical election. i also want to speak to the comments recently made by the speaker of the house. it is just further evidence of everything i have actually been talking about for months now about trump's intention to implement project 2025. we have talked repeatedly, and the american people know what is in it. we have talked repeatedly about the intention to get rid of the affordable care act, now to get rid of the chips act. let's talk about manufacturing, a critical issue for many of the states that will make the difference in this election. donald trump, when he was resident, lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs. we have created over 700 thousand new manufacturing jobs. it is my plan and intention to invest in

american manufacturing, the work being done by american workers, upholding and lifting up good union jobs, which are good paying jobs, and doing the work of investing in american industries, including our industries of the future. that is the way we will win the competition with china for the 21st century and the kind of leadership american deserves in their president. >> reporter: what is your message to milwaukee voters who are saying, trump might be better from for the economy. we are hearing that from men, voters who are skeptical that things are too expensive for them? >> let me make it clear, i intend to earn the vote of everyone and i don't take anyone's vote for granted. my highest priority as president will be to bring down the costs. to that point, look, i know the cost of groceries is too high

still, everybody knows it. my plan includes what we are going to do, in terms of taking on corporate price gouging and having the first-ever national ban on price gouging in groceries. my plan includes addressing the issue of affordable housing, including local first-time homebuyers, giving them a $25,000 down payment assistance so they can get their foot in the door. my plan includes addressing the needs of parents, and particularly young parents, why i will expand the child tax credit to $6000 for the first year of their child's life, which helped pay for everything from childcare to a car seat. my plan includes what we are going to do to invest in our small businesses, including increasing tax breaks for small businesses. overall, my plan, which is about building an opportunity economy, has been reviewed by leading economists in our country from goldman sachs to 32 nobel laureates. all of whom who have said, that my economic plan will actually strengthen america's economy. they have reviewed donald

trump's plan and have determined, he will begin america's economy, ignite inflation and bring on a recession by the middle of next year. >> reporter: he walked back, initially saying, they would appeal c.h.i.p. act, but are you concerned about the republican-- >> let's be clear why he walked it back, because it is not popular and their agenda is not popular. that is why people are now showing up by the thousands, tens of thousands, to talk about an agenda that is actually focused on lifting them up. that is why i have their support of yes, democrats, independents, and republicans. they want a president of the united states who stops playing politics with their lives. they want a president of the united states will invest in

affordable healthcare, regardless of who they vote for. they want a president of the united states who invest in american manufacturing and american workers. that is the work i will do. that is the work i am committed to do. i'm very proud to have the support of many leaders from every party who will understand that that is the kind of leadership that we need moving forward. >> reporter: madame vice president, i wanted to ask about your day one agenda, i know you said the other day, you talked about having executive order that would eliminate college degrees for certain federal jobs. can you tell us about some other day one primaries? >> obviously, more than one. one of them is going to be to submit physically a package of proposals about bringing down costs. for example, housing. what we need to do in terms of creating a tax benefit for folks who want home ownership, what we will do to create a $25,000 down payment assistance plan, what we are going to do for small businesses. all of that will require a lot of work and they want, also me getting on the phone with members of the

republican party, with leaders, with the private sector. a lot of my plan includes working with the private sector. my plan includes cladding cutting through red tape on the issue of housing again, working with local and state leaders to cut through the red tape, as well as creating incentives to the private sector builders and developers to actually build new housing, so we can increase supply and bring down costs. >> reporter: madam president. >> vice president. three days. >> madame vice president, thank you. in milwaukee and across the state, will be praying about this election, urging people to get out and vote. i think last week i heard you say, god's power works through us. what is your faith tell you about who god wants to win this election and lead our divided country? >> my face, and my belief in

god tells that, we all must think about our lives through our ability to do good works, and through those works, to lift people up, to help the needy, to help the poor, to help the elderly. and my plan for my presidency was informed with that spirit and that approach. i do believe that people understand that that really is the sign of a real leader, which is not the finding one's strength based on who you beat down, but defining the strength of a leader based on who you lift up. >> thanks. thanks, everyone. >> kamala harris speaking to reporters in milwaukee. we will be following her movements throughout the course of the day. joining us now in the state of wisconsin, in green bay, wisconsin. mara barrett.

my friend, nice to see you out there. this is the crucial last few days, wisconsin is one of those blue wall states that if kamala harris is able to win michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania, that is the whole ballgame. she does not have to worry about the nevada, arizona, and georgia. wisconsinites know how important this is. tell us what is going on there. >> reporter: and the campaigns do too, both kamala harris and donald trump wrapping up rallies, their campaign here in the state last night, they are leaving the rest of the weekend to surrogates. barack obama is coming to campaign for kamala harris tomorrow. this is something that is i am talking to wisconsin voters they recognize their responsibility here. we have seen that in this record-setting early turnout in the state. 1.2 million people out of 3 1/2 million registered have already cast their ballots. the cafes are focusing in on specific counties, like the one i am in now.

green bay is in brown county, a part of a chain of counties in northern wisconsin. it is a suburban area, typically used to lean republican, but the democrats have been chipping away at the numbers here in recent elections. even though trump won these three counties and counties surrounding milwaukee in 2020, joe biden really cuts into his margin there, exactly what can matt harris's campaign has been working to do here as well. it is something they have been focusing on with their relational organizing. sources tell me, they pointed out both campaigns are aware of how tight this race is, it will come down to their ground game and the harris campaign is feeling very confident about that looking at their internal polling. wisconsin is not one like some states where we are used to getting a pulse on where we get registration data as absentee ballots are coming in. the campaigns have to do their own analysis in that way. we have seen more women turning out, more young folks turning out. democrats taking that as a

positive sign, and they know how tight this race will be. we are hearing outside of city hall in green bay, a steady flow of early voters. they've had about two weeks so far. a lot of people bringing their absentee ballots to hand in in-person, rather than putting in the ballot box behind me. we chatted with one woman who did exactly that and she talked about how healthcare is important to her, as well as women's rights. she did not want to share specifics on who she voted for. i think that is something, hesitancy to share specifics, we have seen in battleground states, because they know how polarizing it can be. >> it is always great to see you. i am not sure our viewers know our history. about eight years ago, you and i were a part of a very small team working on a new show. it is so amazing i am talking to you, now covering one of the most consequential elections of our time.

>> it is always so exciting. >> thank you, my friend. laura barrett in green bay, wisconsin. a closing argument for the author of "the de facto handbook on how to save democracy from donald trump." a

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in these final days before the election, the third of the trump area and of this rolling crisis of american democracy, it is very easy to feel overwhelmed, to the extent that we've had a handbook for the trump and threats we have been facing the past eight years, historic timothy snyder's lender and crucial book, called "on tyranny," published in february 2017. we talk about it a lot on this network. there may be some of you that have not read it yet. it is a quick read, i recommend that you do. snyder reminds us that america, no matter how great we think it is, and it is great, is not immune to authoritarianism and

it arms us with the tools we need to fight against it, drawing lessons from the political upheaval and mass violence from 20th-century europe. above all else, tim snyder frames freedom itself is the great american commitment. many of us view freedom as merely the absence of state interference, a passive understanding that removed each of us from the equation. in reality, freedom involves not just freedom from something, but freedom to. the freedom to thrive, to take risks , to collectively shape our futures. achieving this requires, not only strong, aquatic institutions, a conscious commit by each of the to actively participate in the democratic process. in many ways, it serves as a counterpoint to project 2025 and the dystopian order that it seeks to impose under a second trump term. it feels like the perfect time today, with three days until election day with our votes as the only thing standing between us and tyranny to check in with professor tim snyder.

i'm joined by none other than tim snyder himself, leading history professor at yale university, author of numerous books including one freedom and the effort mentioned "on tyranny," lessons from the 20th century. professor, good to see you. i have to tell our viewers, you and i ran into each other at a mall in toronto a couple of weeks ago. my abiding thought was not that i ran into tim snyder, it was that tim, go back to america, you are needed! you are out there as intellectual and august as you are, you are out there on social media every day giving people small lessons, small takeaways on what they can do to feel more empowered about this election right now. give me a flavor that you are trying to tell people coming to you saying, what do i do? i am feeling overwhelmed, scared, anxious? >> that is the perfect question. the people that want to bring the system down, the people that want to make america into a different kind of order,

authoritarian, they want us to be frightened, they want us to be anxious. that is exactly the thing they are aiming for and it is their strongest weapon. when you feel that, you should recognize, this is a part of the regime change, their trick. i will not fall for it. what i will do is make sure i am not only thinking the right things, i am doing the right things and doing them with other people. all of the stuff trump has endured these last two days, all of the fascist displays come in the dark language, intensive intimidation, all aimed at just that at making us afraid. once you see through that trick and recognize, that is all they have got, you will see, trump is a bully i can knock over with my little finger, or a bully i can knock over with my hand i used to cast my vote. >> that is the point, it is a small matter. the little hand you used to cast your vote, you actually have power, you agency. in your book, when you write about fascism and things that

have gone wrong in 20th-century europe, you end up with people that have lost their vote, lost their control and agency. i remind people, as overwhelming as it may seem like people in some parts of the world now, we have that agency, and agency is often handed over to tyranny. tyranny does not usually come around as a result of revolution. it comes around as a result of people voting for it, giving their power up. >> yeah, that is very wise. it comes from people meeting halfway, being afraid, or being complicit, obeying in advance, like the owners of the l.a. times and washington post deed. you don't have to do that. you don't have to meet halfway. you can say, wait a minute, i have my own idea of what is normal. i have my own idea of what is right. most importantly, i have my own idea of open, beautiful futures we can find our way to if we don't give up now. don't give up now, don't concede, do things you can do. remember, as

you just said, we have this incredible power, this little miracle of voting. we cannot only hold off on darkness, we can open the way towards the light. >> you often warn of the dangers of american exceptionalism. it is an interesting argument. you are not saying that america is not great, you are saying, thinking about american exceptionalism the wrong way undermines our americanism because we do not believe somethings can go wrong, like they did in the 1930s in germany, can go wrong to us. >> that is exactly right. if you want to be exceptional, go often show yourself you are exceptional, or go often do something. you say, i am exceptional, because history is on my side were larger forces are on my side, you're not being exceptional, you are being submissive. it is a problem when you think this can't happen here. if you are saying, this can happen here, you're doing what everybody is doing, that is not exceptional. what is

exceptional is saying, hey, i got a little courage, little power, i'm going to go off and use it and move this country so it can be exceptional in the 21st century because of what i am doing right now. >> interesting concept of freedom you talked about in the "new york times" the other day, both sides look like freedom. one paints it as freedom from interference by government, ironically, because of the freedoms being taken away with respect to reproductive rights. one ranks it as the freedom to be able to do, to aspire, to succeed. you want to embrace that vision of freedom, the freedom to make your choices in life. >> that is freedom. of course, it is really important not to be oppressed, and as somebody that he the holocaust, soviet terror, and been to the occupied regions of ukraine recently, i take that seriously. the reason we needed to get rid of the bad things to hold off on the bad things to make room for the good things, the

problem is not the barrier, the problem is the person behind the barrier. once we realize that, we realize freedom begins with the person and freedom is about all the things that the person could do, all of the bright and beautiful things which we could achieve together. freedom is not just against things. if you are just against things, sooner or later, you find yourself being against your neighbor. is about being for things, helping other people become better. >> one of the lessons you have taught me is that when you do the little things, you actually just feel good about doing the little things. the other day, i felt good about voting and they gave me the sticker and i put the sticker on and i thought to myself, that made me feel proud, like i did something. i felt more potent in that moment that i had prior to having voted. you bring up this point, whether joining your library, attending a school board meeting, in this case, voting, it will make you feel better just for having done it. >> that is totally right. i went off to ohio, michigan,

illinois, oklahoma, texas and i did the little things i thought i could do. if you do the little things that are both consistent with your personality, and somehow touch that wider world, you feel better. like you said at the beginning, you don't have to be afraid of the dark future . you can think, i am actually acting and what i do matters. not only that, as you do it, you feel better and become a part of this process of feeling better and helping other people feel better here the reason you feel better is that you are touching the future. you realize, what i do matters. it matters to me now, matters to what i do now, together, we are making the future better. we don't feel alone. you feel, actually, i feel pretty good. >> professor snyder, you have kept us together, held us together over the last few years to try to help us understand in theoretical terms and practical terms. we are always grateful for it. history professor at yale, author of "one freedom" and "one tyranny." we thank him for being here.

coming up, the progressive protest vote could sink kamala harris in two swing states. i will be joined by michael bessler and minnesota attorney general keith ellison to talk about the impact of third-party and protest votes in a two party system and the power of a deeply dissatisfied progressive's life in 2024.

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with just three days to go, polls show razor thin margins in various parts of different states. but remain to battle for uncommitted voters. victory or defeat could come down to voters who are considering casting protest votes, or were not voting at all or voting for a third candidate. in february, the uncommitted movement of antiwar coalition, led marshall largely by arab americans, muslims, and

democrats led by 100,000 voters in michigan at 700,000 voters nationwide to check uncommitted, or some version of that on their primary ballot. it was democracy in action, a very strong message to then candidate biden to broker a cease-fire and stopped sending weapons to israel, or risk losing key states. given that biden only won michigan by about 10,000 votes in 2020. the uncommitted movement could make or break harris's chance in that state. pro-palestinian protesters interrupted harris's beaches last week, prompting her to pause her planned remarks until the demonstrators directly that she plans to work full-time, her words, to achieve a cease- fire and a hostage deal. just yesterday, donald trump met with arab american business leaders at a restaurant in dearborn, michigan, vaguely

calling for peace. trump also continues to tout his close relationship with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, and israel's far right government and has repeatedly suggested that gaza should be developed into beachfront property, even a quote, it could be better than monaco. even still, trump recently secured endorsement from two democratic mayors from muslim cities just outside detroit. these protest voters, generally speaking, fall into three categories. there are protest voters who may abstain from voting altogether, there are voters who are choosing to vote for the green party candidate, jill stein, and then there are voters who have historically voted for democrats who are now voting for donald trump. now, even the leaders of the uncommitted movement that appeared to be hedging, while the coalition is endorsing harris, they are asking voters to vote against trump. the uncommitted founders himself are split on how to move forward with at least one founder now announcing he will vote for harris, because he fears a trump presidency. with the margin for victories this narrow losing even a

fraction of percentage point to a third-party candidate and a protest vote could spell disaster. last week, vermont senator bernie sanders, who we started the show with, released a video, encouraging americans to vote for harris even if they disagreed with her on gaza. >> i understand that there are millions of americans who disagree with president biden and vice president kamala harris on the terrible war in gaza. i am one of them. some of you are saying, how can i vote for an harris if she is supporting this terrible war? that is a very fair question. let me give you my best answer. that is, even on this issue, donald trump and his right-wing friends are worse, i promise you. after kamala wins, we will together do everything that we can to change u.s. policy toward netanyahu. let me be clear, we will have in my view, a much better chance of changing u.s. policy

with kamala than with trump, who is extremely close to netanyahu, and sees him as a like-minded, right-wing, extremist ally. >> joining me now to discuss the history of these protest movements and how they work is michael beschloss, nbc news presidential historian. thank you for being with us. i grew up in canada, where you have extra parties, a system where extra parties exist. sometimes, that third party or that protest vote works so well the third party gets elected, forms a government and things happen. unfortunately, in america, i would actually like more than two parties, but we don't have a system that supports it at the moment. when roth got more than two thirds of the vote, he did not win a single vote. it is not something that works strategically. >> as far as the protest movement, especially in wisconsin, michigan, and other

places, this is what i would say, history gives you an extremely loud warning. two moments of history, one was 2016. as you were mentioning, ali, jill stein ran as third-party candidate for president and 2016, she ran strongly enough in pennsylvania, michigan, in wisconsin, took enough votes away from hillary clinton that donald trump was elected. to the people who supported jill stein because they agree with her on the environment, think that donald trump did better for the environment than he looked hillary clinton would have done? that is a big price to pay for your protest. also, in florida in 2000, al gore was running for president against george w. bush, ralph nader was running from the left side, but al gore is too centrist, vote for me as a protest. nader got 97,000 votes in florida, tipped the state to bush, tipped the presidency to push for the next eight years. don't tell me that george bush,

his wars, and the great recession of 2008 were worth casting that protesting vote. all i am saying is, anyone who is thinking about this, consider what you are doing very carefully. >> right. and it does not undermine why someone might not be comfortable with a vote for kamala. that is not the discussion we are having. we are just talking strategy. >> certainly. in america, the critic is your friend. we are looking at protest movements throughout american history that have brought us some of the best laws and policies we've ever had. that is what our system depends on. for someone out of the most well-intentioned reasons in one of the most crucial states this week to cast a vote for someone else, uncommitted, or sit on your hands, that would almost have to suggest, ali, if you are someone particularly worried about the middle east, worried about gaza, about the treatment of palestinians, you would have to say to yourself,

i am completely indifferent on this issue to whether it is trump or whether it is kamala harris. you told me there would be no difference. >> this is an important point. i had a conversation with a lovely cabdriver the other day and we were discussing this the whole time. in the end, i said, do you think that the cause you are concerned about-- he was muslim, for the cause you are concerned about, would donald trump be better? he said, absolutely not. i said, why are you not voting for kamala harris? he said, outlive fight. i empathize with the sentiment, but he acknowledges himself, it is going to be worse for his interest and causes in that limited fashion. >> and he could be living through what he finds he is experiencing is four years of hell, under donald trump, just as you were saying, ali. donald trump is very close to netanyahu, he is notoriously talking about gaza as-- just as

you were mentioning, making good beachfront property in the future. if you look at the trump record on palestinians, they were almost ignored. why does someone feel that casting a vote that winds up electing donald trump is going to be in service of the cause that he or she is seeking? >> here's what is interesting. bernie sanders sort of embodies this, you can be a gadfly. if you elect the person you think you could most costly influence, or might be closer to your perspective, you can be a gadfly. you can come out, vote for the person you think you can fully the most. that is something to keep in mind. if neither presidential candidate fully suits your needs , it is a binary election. you show the presidency with 340 million people. you are going to have to vote for the one closest to what you think you can achieve. >> or another dimension of

this, i totally agree with what you just said. there is one major candidate in this race, donald trump, who has promised to be a dictator and has talked about fascism, not exactly consoling minority interest in this country. and kamala harris, who has some views, but she has said, i'm going to give everyone a seat at the table. let's have a democracy, let's fight it out. for those who want a change in middle east policy, and again, i respect the principle and passion in which they say that, there is a much greater chance if you have a kamala harris who is preserving a democratic debate, then, donald trump saying, i'm going to be a dictator, i don't care what you voters in michigan, wisconsin, or pennsylvania think. >> as always, thank you for your analysis. michael beschloss, nbc news presidential historian. i will continue this conversation next with attorney general keith ellison. ellison. -

party candidate. it was often worked for the people and that is the situation we were in with people three days out. i thought the concept of an

uncommitted movement during the primaries was a remarkable illustration of democracy, people going in and saying, i am dissatisfied with things happening and you need to change your approach. i'm a little worried about it three days into the election, particularly in a place like michigan and wisconsin. >> let me just say, ali, i agree 100% with the sentiment, people should and need to register their discontent, and their demand for a different policy. voting third party in this race is simply going to empower the person who will do the worse. i mean, the fact of the matter is, donald trump has said, only continue the job. he has said that he has allowed rudy giuliani to parsley falsely accuse palestinian toddlers of wanting to kill americans is a complete lie, and a racist lie at that. a vote for a third party is just going to empower them. what it comes down to is, what

can you do to help the people of gaza to the maximum degree that you can? to me, that is to support the person who says, they want a cease-fire. the person who says, they want humanitarian assistance, and you want to uphold international human rights law. >> why is that not satisfying enough to people? and i get it, i get the sentiment completely. what she has said, everybody will have a seat at the table, including next to benjamin netanyahu. she wants a cease- fire, she wants hostages released, and she wants a two- step solution in which palestinians and israelis can live in safety and security with self-determination. >> i think it is just the emotionality of it. you sit down and talk to people who have lost multiple family members me for them, it is just an emotional bridge that it is difficult to cross. what i say

to them is, you are not doing your family members any good by putting trump in there. you may well be able to help them by empowering somebody who has said that they are concerned and what that same cease-fire that you want. even in dearborn, trump was asked, are you in support of a two state solution, and he would not say that he was. it is very clear that he is not going to do anything of any good , and it is very clear that kamala harris has voiced her support. to be-- the logical argument is there, but you have still got to overcome that emotional barrier. people are hurting. >> donald trump has said things like, let them finish it, very vague with that is supposed to mean. i don't know what them and finish it means. he has talked about the fact that joe biden has constrained netanyahu and he would let him do whatever the hell he wants.

he has talked about the fact that he has regular conversations with benjamin netanyahu, which might be a violation of the logan act. and he is the guy who had the muslim pan. he is the guy that had the muslim pan. i think we have to separate these two arguments. you may be highly dissatisfied with joe biden's activities as related to this, and he said i that kamala harris does not create enough space with her and joe biden, but this is a binary election. the other guy has sent a bunch of very specific things that to your point will not help whatever you are concerned about in that part of the world. >> the question is, what is the best thing you can do to help people you are concerned about the mark to support the position of the person who says, they want a cease-fire, or the person who just does not care, and has demonstrated hostility to the muslim community as recently as madison square garden? that is what is in front of us now. it is important to see through

our tears, man. quite honestly, it is important to do the best thing we can, those of us who are not living under bombs need to do what we can for the people who are. that means getting a u.s. president who is at least willing and agrees that a cease- fire is needed and needed now. >> a strong closing argument, attorney general keith ellison me thank you for joining us today. keith ellison, attorney general of minnesota. another hour of "velshi" begins now. too 80 saturday, november 2nd, final weekend of the 2024 campaign, three days remain until the final ballots are cast on election day. this morning and all throughout the day, we are keeping a very close eye on the campaign trail, as kamala harris, their running mates and surrogates

make a final through the seven swing states to rally supporters and try to win the last remaining undecided, or unmotivated voters. months ago, -- moments ago, the vice president headed south, to rally and you can see supporters are already gathering. afterward, she will travel to charlotte, north carolina, a short town away from the town of gastonia, where people are gathering now for a trump rally due to start at 9:00 eastern. it will be the first of three scheduled rallies for donald trump today, scheduled to make a stop in winston-salem, virginia this afternoon and north carolina later tonight. in the last hour, here spoke to reporters about the economy before she left for atlanta. >> overall, my plan, which is about building an opportunity economy, has been refuted by leading economists in our country from goldman sachs to 32 nobel laureates, all who have said that my economic plan actually will strengthen

america's economy. they have reviewed donald trump's plan and have determined that he will weaken america's economy, ignite inflation, and bring on a recession by the middle of next year. >> with just a few days left to make their case to a relatively small group of voters in a handful of swing states that will decide the outcome of this election, two candidate scheduled to make multiple stops and places they will nearly caught cross paths with one another. that happened last night when harris and trump had dueling rally six miles apart in milwaukee. they even took the stage at nearly the same time. the tone of their rallies were very different. >> if she can't handle an interview, then she can't handle it certainly president xi of china, president putin would have never had done it, she's not equipped for that, she's not a president. she will get overwhelmed, meltdown, and millions of people will die. >> in this election, we have an